User talk:Proden49

September 2013
Hello, I'm Noq. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Saracens F.C., but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ''Please stop trying to add this unsourced story into the article. You may discuss why it should be included at Talk:Saracens F.C. but you will need to find sources to back up the claim and also to tone down the WP:peacock language.'' noq (talk) 13:04, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Saracens edits
Hi Proden, glad to see you have been adding more sources to the section you wrote, however, you will have seen from my last revert, that sourcing wasn't the issue, but the non-netral language used, creating POV. The following words and phrases are inherently subjective and should not be included: As you can see, this is a significant amount of what you have written. I do not doubt that it may well all be true, but as it is unrefernced it is entirely subjective. Please don't add this back until you have provided specific reliable sources. Where things are described as special / prestigious, etc, I would avoid sourcing to the official Saracens handbook. As a primary source, this is not really a reliable form of reference for such conclusions. You should look for third party reports to support these conclusions. Thanks. Fenix down (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "the game was won handsomely" - what does handsomely mean, this is objective and should have multiple sources agreeing with it.
 * "a decent crowd" - what does decent mean? Inherently subjective
 * "The seventies proved to be a special period" - Why? Begs the question.
 * "probably will never be achieved again" - Pesonal viewpoint, inherently speculative.
 * "players such as Dave Croydon, Denis Sanders standing out" - why? Unreffed so hard to see how, again subjective.
 * "The seventies were indeed hard to play in, especially with the dominance of the Welsh clubs" - Personal opinion. Needs multiple sources.
 * "In fact one of our best wins was down in Pontypool with all their International players on the field, and yes "that Pontypool front row"." - Completely subjective and written like a comment by a fan. Inherently unencyclopedic tone.
 * "This special Saracens team" Why special? Who says?
 * "the prestigious Middlesex Cup" Why prestigious? Who says?
 * "Tough fixtures and tough players made the seventies quite spectacular really and set the club up to move forward.". Conatins all the issues as above reunreffed content and subjectivity.