User talk:Professorpotter

PoutineNation, please correct instead of deleting.

As far as I can tell, there was nothing erroneous or misleading in the Motor Coordination page edits by Steven Hand. If you disagree, please correct the errors, and comment in the TALK section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Professorpotter (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Image from Cultured neuronal network
Hi Steve -- an image that you contributed got removed from that article by FairuseBot -- not sure why, you obviously have every right to contribute that image. I'm just letting you know in case the article isn't one that you are watching. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 17:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of GeorgiaTech-IntroNeuro


The article GeorgiaTech-IntroNeuro has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
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Proposed deletion of GeorgiaTech-IntroNeuro/Course description


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Article space is not the right place for these!
Hey, Professorpotter, welcome to Wikipedia! I see that you've created a few pages about a course that you (presumably) teach. It's good that you're interested in Wikipedia as an educational source, but you should know that you're making these pages within the main article space of Wikipedia, which is reserved for the encyclopedia articles. I see that you've already found the School and university projects page, but I'd encourage you to communicate with the Wikipedia Education Program; they're the ones best-equipped to help you with this. As for the pages you've created, after some thought, I'm going to move them into your userspace, instead of the main article space. But you should know that I'm not sure that's the right place for them either, so I don't think we should consider that a permanent solution. The Wikipedia Education Program can probably fill in more details; again, I strongly encourage you to contact them. Thanks! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just an update: I've moved all the pages into your userspace; you can see a list of their new locations here. If you're going to create new pages, please, at least for now, follow this naming scheme of putting "User:Professorpotter/" in front of the title; this will insure that new pages also get created in your userspace. Thanks, Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for moving them
So far, I have just been creating pages by pushing the buttons on the School and University Projects page. Sorry they ended up in the Main Space. I will consult with them about how to locate them properly. Professorpotter (talk) 18:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, it happens. :) Good luck with your class! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Writ Keeper asked me to check that he had done the right thing here, and indeed he had. Rather than have these pages in your personal user space, you might prefer to have them at "Wikipedia:GeorgiaTech-IntroNeuro" etc: if so, leave a note below here and I will move them. I found an incoming link to one of them from your entry at WP:SUP which I updated, and took the liberty of tweaking it into the same format as other entries. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:24, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have sent an email to Jami Mathewson, who seems to be in charge of making new Course Pages for the US Education Program. I will follow her advice about how to locate them when I get it. The class has been a fantastic success. I have overbooked a 95 seat room for this Fall semester! My students have really enjoyed making good Wikipedia articles about neuroscience, and the word is spreading. Professorpotter (talk) 19:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

course pages moved
Hi Professor Potter!

I've moved your course pages to the standard naming scheme. Sorry about the confusion. Your course page can now be found at USEP/Courses/Introductory Neuroscience (Steve Potter). If you've got any questions, feel free to drop me a line.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Neuroscience
Hi again, Professor! I just wanted to highlight WikiProject Neuroscience for your class. It's an active project, and members have offered to help with your class if you need it. If you or students have questions or ideas about the structure and content of neuroscience content you're working on or thinking of working on, or you're looking for feedback on your work, try asking at the WikiProject Neuroscience talk page.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I edited your user page
I think you'll like it better. There was a dead link I fixed, for example. You can see the new version at User:Professorpotter. Let me know if you want me to take out any email/phone numbers. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 21:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hey Sandy I was wondering if you had any tips for me on how to get my page back online. I am new to wikipedia which obviously showed in my first draft, but this is for a school project and I need to get my page back into the main space. Any help would be greatly appreciated. HBARTON3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.102.18 (talk) 01:58, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi,  When you post to a user talk page, you should start a section at the bottom of the page, and you should sign your posts by entering four tildes ( ~ ) after them.  Please remind your professor that he should be teaching you how to interact on Wikipedia before you move articles into mainspace from your sandbox.  I assume you are posting about Cannabidiol effect on epilepsy?  It is in the mainspace, and unless you contest the deletion, it will be there until Nov 29.  From several other articles I've seen from your class, it appears that your professor designed the course poorly, and you students are left in a lurch.  First, he didn't make sure you had enough sources and were writing on topics that wouldn't end up deleted or merged (that should have been the first step), and second, he has you publishing articles before he has graded them.  He should have been grading your work in your sandbox, and they should not have been published to mainspace until they were ready;  as soon as you publish anything to Wikipedia, you no longer own it and it can change.  Your professor should learn how to go through the diffs to see the history of the article; your original version is still in the article history (and in your sandbox, I imagine). He can grade it there if he didn't set up the course to grade in sandbox. Perhaps you can talk to your campus or online ambassador and have them educate your professor, so that he can learn where to find your work and how to grade it.  If not, it might be best to tell your parents, your school advisor, your school newspaper, and the chair of your Department that your professor has no clue what he's doing, and he's ruining the college experience.  And you can tell him SandyGeorgia said that.  Please let me know how it goes.  If your professor doesn't know how to read diffs, and doesn't plan to grade you from your sandbox, please tell him to stop by here because I'd love to have a chat with him.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 11:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Going Forward
User:SandyGeorgia, I am hoping to be able to get up to 15,000 bytes in this topic and within the menopause page. As I continue to add things do you mind if I post them here first to be checked, especially sources? Also, do you suggest moving the article back to my sandbox as I continue working? Thank you immensely for your help and if you find that is article may not be fit, please let me know as I may change topics. AllisonMaloney (talk) 03:31, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Allison; thanks for engaging on talk. I am not an admin, and I'm unclear on the process and even whether one should move an article back to sandbox after it has been moved to mainspace and edited by others. I will ask an admin to look in here for you.  One possibility is that you just continue working in sandbox, and then overwrite this article with your new content, but I'm really not sure. Also, the biggest problem with the article now, as we discussed earlier, is the lack of secondary reviews.  I would be most willing to help you advance the article if you are using secondary reviews, but working on a draft that is based on primary sources isn't a good use of my time.  Have you seen Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-30/Dispatches?  Do you know how to look up a source in the search engine which you can find here from PubMed, see if the source is primary or secondary, and include a PMID in your citation?  If not, our first step is for me to help you learn to do that.  Best regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * , I just realized that this article has already been moved back and forth from sandbox once, which meant a lot of work for editors here. An admin did the move, deleted the old page (which lost all of my work), and then when you moved it back, I did my work on the article again.  So, no, I don't think a third shot out of sandbox is a good next step. That would mean a lot of work for a lot of volunteers, and is not the way Wikipedia is used. From several other articles I've seen from your class, it appears that your professor designed the course poorly, and you students are left in a lurch.  First, he didn't make sure you had enough sources and were writing on topics that wouldn't end up deleted or merged (that should have been the first step), and second, he has you publishing articles before he has graded them.  He should have been grading your work in your sandbox, and they should not have been published to mainspace until they were ready;  as soon as you publish anything to Wikipedia, you no longer own it and it can change.  Your professor should learn how to go through the diffs to see the history of the article; your original version is still in the article history (and in your sandbox, I imagine). He can grade it there if he didn't set up the course to grade in sandbox. Can you talk to your campus or online ambassador about this poor course design?  Perhaps suggest that your article be graded in your sandbox.  If you don't get a satisfactory outcome, then you might talk to your school advisor, your school newspaper, your parents, or your department chair to tell them that your professor has designed a course where students are not likely to have a good experience.  If your professor wants to stop by here to chat, I'll be happy to explain these things to him, but I cannot recommend moving the article back to sandbox a second time. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 11:22, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of article talk pages
Professorpotter, as I try to go about my usual editing, I am finding my watchlist overwhelmed by inappropriate talk page edits from your students. Article talk pages are used for article improvement: Wikipedia is not homework. Your students are entering peer reviews on article talk pages. Those entries have the following problems:
 * 1) They do not engage Wikipedia's standards or content policies and guidelines, nor is there any awareness of Wikipedia's internal assessment processes.  In other words, they have nothing to do with Wikipedia.
 * 2) They are inevitably glowing reports (scores of 15 to 18 out of 20), even when on very poor articles.  Clearly, friends reviewing friends' articles is a COI, and not an appropriately neutral review.  We would not allow such a thing among other editors (where neutrality in review is expected).
 * 3) Every time an article talk page entry triggers a watchlist alert, other editors have to check those pages, which wastes our time.

Please refrain from having your students post homework on article talk pages; they can post these to editor talk pages. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 23:51, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, in the future I will instruct them to put their peer reviews on the User Talk pages. As peer reviews were due last night, it is too late this year. However, I disagree that their reviews have "nothing to do with Wikipedia". They are there to help the authors improve their articles, or to point out problems with them. Students are instructed to follow Wikipedia's standards and guidelines, in evaluating articles, as you can see on the Course Page. The students will be using the peer evaluations, and any other comments, to improve their articles until the end of Wed. Nov. 27th. I have also encouraged them to keep on editing their articles (and others') after the class is over, and many of my alumni have done that. Steve M. Potter, PhD -- Georgia Inst. of Technology (talk) 14:59, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Since they don't even know Wikipedia standards and guidelines, there is no way for them to follow them (see discussion at WP:ENB). But I sincerely appreciate your response, and am glad to hear you will take the step next term of having them do this on their talk pages.  Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Course page deletion
I'm very sorry about that. I haven't worked with course pages before and thought all deletions in Wikipedia would say "delete" like I'm used to with normal page deletions. I have asked for help at Administrators' noticeboard/Archive257. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:55, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm a volunteer editor and don't have inside knowledge of the developer work being done to fix this. I know Sage yesterday said "Once we get this patch deployed (which I hope we can get done today)", but the patch he linked 98475 still says "Status	Review in Progress". I'm unable to restore the course before the bug has been fixed. I understand it's frustrating but I'm afraid I can only refer you to Education noticeboard/Archive7, User talk:Sage Ross (WMF) or Special:EmailUser/Sage Ross (WMF) if you want an update on the time schedule. When the patch making it possible to restore is deployed, I guess Sage or a developer will be the first to know and restore the course before I learn about it. I would also have liked more warning before accidentally removing the course itself instead of my own test enrollment, but usually a deletion can be undone in seconds when any of hundreds of users learn about it. It's the bug which causes the annoying delay. The undelete code was tested when the course feature was originally deployed. Undelete was apparently broken by a change 35807 in January and the undelete bug hasn't been discovered before now, so I guess my deletion is the only accident since then. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll follow up by email shortly, Steve. PrimeHunter, yes, I think this has been the first case when undeletion has been actually needed since January.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 14:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)