User talk:Propaniac/Archive3

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ISIS/Draw
I removed notability because this article has survived an AFD, it is no longer being considered for deletion. I won't be reverting, and I would like to hear your response for now. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Gonzo (disambiguation)
Could you review it? Someone fixed it up, albeit didn't do so well a job IMHO. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just realized what was wrong. Gonzo should be the title of the dab since it redirects there. Or should it redirect somewhere else? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy might be too much. How does one label a dab as a malplaced disambiguation page? IIRC, one can request a page move for these special instances. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I left a note at WP:WPDIS. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Homocore (zine)
I have nominated Homocore (zine), an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Homocore (zine). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 20:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 20:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Jackson County Courthouse disambig
Hi Propaniac -- About your edits to Jackson County Courthouse disambig, I assume you are unaware of a recent indepth discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. That was a discussion in which i asked for and received guidance. This Jackson County Courthouse dab was in full compliance I believe.

In particular, there was detailed guidance from disambiguation wikiproject members that somewhat repetitive mentions (like of NRHP listing) is appropriate.

So, I will look at whether there is some small change to be made about the non-NRHP entries in the list, but overall i will basically revert your changes now. Please discuss at its Talk page, and/or we could expand the thread about NRHP at the WikiProject talk page. doncram (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

WAVE (TV) disambiguation
Adding "(TV)" after the callsign in the title of articles for US TV stations that have callsigns without a -TV suffix is standard here. New World Man (talk) 01:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

(TV)
Go to the lists of TV stations at Template:NAmerTV. When hovering the cursor over the links to station articles, notice in your browser's status bar that some of them have (TV) at the end of the title. New World Man (talk) 00:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Go to the category at the bottom of WAVE's article entitled "Channel 3 TV stations in the United States" and notice there are three other station articles with the "(TV)" disambiguator in the title. Also look at the categories for the other channels (full-power stations only), and notice there are several other station articles with the "(TV)" disambiguator in the title. New World Man (talk) 12:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't come up with the idea. I'm just following what I believe is standard. New World Man (talk) 12:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of The Call Girls
A tag has been placed on The Call Girls requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Avram (talk) 10:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

ARMD disambiguation cleanup
Thanks! Jeh (talk) 03:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Boo (disambiguation)
Great job on the cleanup. Although I have to ask, why remove the entry Boo, Guinea? It does meet the requirements of MOS:DABRL, all that was needed was an accompanying blue link. Take a look at what links to it. Please reply on your talk page, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As for Boo, Guinea, I couldn't find any article that offered any kind of appreciable information about the place; it appeared that virtually all the links to it were due to its inclusion (along with about a million other redlinks) on a template of places in the same locality (the article for which did not mention Boo). I admit that I did not go to the effort of clicking every single one of the links just to confirm that there was no actual information there. If you can find a bluelink that talks about Boo, I'm perfectly content to let you add it (or if you want to link to the region or prefecture that Boo is in, I don't really mind that, either, even though such a link won't offer any more information than the disambig entry itself that says "Boo, Guinea is a place in X"). Propaniac (talk) 21:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm still unsure on which blue link to utilise. Had the same problem with another dab just the other day where I ended up linking the blue linked description to a template. Should I do that here? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My feeling is generally that if there is no worthwhile article to link, there's no point listing it on the page, which is why I omitted it. If I had to pick an article to link in this case, it would be the Prefecture that lists Boo as one of its many towns/villages. But as I said, I'll leave it up to you to decide. Propaniac (talk) 04:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * How's it look ? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. Propaniac (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The Sims 3
The reference link for the release date does not provide adequate evidence so it may be incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samedi441 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Georgia
"Also" denotes addition, something additional, over and above the already stated. The entry for Georgia states that the term has "two principal meanings" -- and then lists those two meanings. Next, the entry announces additional meanings (i.e. "Georgia may also refer to:") but the two principal meanings are repeated! We have the following choices : (A) Lose the "also", or (B) Lose the repetition of the two principal meanings. The current status is simply bad English. -The Gnome (talk) 21:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I had to laugh...
"This user doesn't understand how or why people manage to look at a dab page with lots of entries all formatted in the exact same way, and add a new entry in which every single thing is different."

If I'd been drinking coffee, you'd've owed me a keyboard. Cheers! -- Shelf Skewed  Talk  20:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Piping
Hi - I thought that the of a link had to match the case of the article title, so that rhyming slang had to be entered as  but it seems  not! Has this always been the case or did the rules change when I wasn't looking? pablo hablo. 09:40, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just read up in the help page that the first character is not case sensitive. Thanks for prompting me to RTFM. pablo hablo.

BBT talk page fix
Thanks for reverting my revert. I hadn't caught the poster was talking about the disambiguation of Big Bang Theory; I thought they were talking about the episodes of the show. doh! tedder (talk) 20:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The Time Traveller's Wife
Hello Propaniac ... my edits of The Time Traveller's Wife (film) are 100% valid, however my source, an actor in the film, wishes that I do not cite her/him as the source. It's the first page I've ever edited, and I wouldn't have bothered to do so were the details not perfect valid. There seems to be quite a bit of interest in this upcoming film and I believe many will appreciate the new information. In fact, I believe I'll sit down and speak more with my source about shooting locations (ie Uxbridge, Toronto, Leaside ... some of the old buildings they used, one of them being the same location where I was married, in fact), and add them to the page as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladderman67 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Sigh
I'd appreciate it if you stopped edit warring the glamour disamb page; the article actually uses the term in multiple roughly synonymous ways. You appear to have just read the first sentence and are trying to impose a single usage (which isn't the main one) on the article. ktxbai- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 04:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

"Information loss"
In response to your comment, yes and no. Yes in the fact that for example Herman J. Viola's book has its own reference in the disambiguation page. The two references should be merged into articles rather than left on the disambig page. No in that I meant "information loss" as in losing a valuable disambiguation page, because as you can see, there are many articles related to the term which would become difficult to find without the disambig page. Kevin (talk) 02:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I really don't think we should make separate disambiguation pages for "it's a good day to die" and "good day to die". Kevin (talk) 02:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Use of the name Helaman in Book of Mormon
Response at Talk:Use of the name Helaman in Book of Mormon. --Jerzy•t 22:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Minor edits

 * I set "my preferences" to "Mark all edits minor by default." Handicapper (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No. - You said: "The point is to allow editors to set their Watchlists to ignore these minor edits, if they wish, because there shouldn't be anything in those edits that requires the same attention that a major change to the article would require." There is no need, I am Whitelisted by New pages patrol "as someone who consistently creates large quantities of valid articles. Thanx anyway for your concern. Handicapper (talk) 20:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ghost town (disambiguation)
I trust your removal of the link to the Maggie Valley tourist attraction was accidental.

If it wasn't notable there would be no article. I'm adding to the article right now, and I had trouble figuring out how to get there. We in North Carolina usually just call it "Ghost Town". Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

All is well now. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you please explain further...
The deletion policies recommend that when one nominates an article for deletion one inform the contributor who started the article.

Is here a reason why you didn't choose to follow the policies recommendations when you nominated Arsala Khan (suspected al Qaida financier) for deletion? Geo Swan (talk) 02:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Rollaxer
Perhaps you were not aware that the article had been speedied once, prodded, that author removed the prod without explanation, then blanked the page, then recreated it after it was deleted under G7. My goal was, and always is, to allow the new user to see and participate in the process, so they understand that there's a community of users alongside them, and that the site itself has policies and governance; it's not just a free web space for their playtime or advertising. Bringing this to AfD was not impulsive and arbitrary, even if all of the above did occur in a short period of time. I hope you can appreciate my rationale. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 12:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you see this? Since gaining the admin tools I don't remember what logs regular users can see.  Also, you might have seen the prodding and deprodding if you can see this, or had seen the article before its second speedy deletion.  Let me know so that I can have in mind what regular users can see, and thereafter be more clear in my edit summaries and AfD nominations.  Thanks! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Point taken. I'll try to be a little more informative in the future. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Hatnote template
I did the hatnote at Eugene Robinson -- I just typed out the text because I couldn't make the template work. Whether by template or by my cruder method, the hatnote you added at Gene Robinson (a good change) should be expanded to include the football player. Can you do that with a template? JamesMLane t c 16:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Alison vs. Allison
You helped me with the Stacy (given name) page and related pages. I'm wondering what you think of doing the same thing to Alison and Allison. If someone doesn't know which way Allison is supposed to be spelled, that person might have trouble figuring out how to get to the appropriate Allison's article.

This all began when I had difficulty finding Barbie's friend Stacie because someone on a message board who had a Stacie had misspelled the name.

I still haven't divided up the Stacy names because I was looking for a good disambiguation page that did that. I think we have singers, entertainers in general, and politicians. Where I have a real problem is those Stacys who are more than one type of entertainer. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.

I chose Allison to look at because Allison Mack is my favorite actor on Smallville (now that Michael Rosenbaum has left). I was looking at The CW message boards and thought about looking at the name.

Alison Krauss is under both spellings, which is why I feel this needs to be done.

I'm going to have to reorder the Stacys because they're currently divided up according to how the first name is spelled, which isn't helpful. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your comment, you're absolutely right about the place. Never heard about the village pump before now.Jeppiz (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Diane Schuler
This article has been proposed for deletion. I hope that you will offer your input, thoughts, and opinions at the article's deletion discussion: Articles for deletion/Diane Schuler. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 6 September 2009)

db-move
FYI, when you want to add db-move to a redirect, please insert it above the #REDIRECT directive, not below. That makes it easier for the reviewing admin to complete the move. Thanks. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Smith chart
I have undone the speedy move you requested for Smith chart. This is contrary to WP:CAPS even though the article is actually using the incorrect capitalisation, it is still the wrong title.  Sp in ni ng  Spark  08:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

California
Hi Propaniac. I like what you did to clean up the California (disambiguation) page. It was cluttered with a lot of non-relevant items. The opening though I don't think is gramatically correct. Saying "California is one of the United States of America" is like saying "Ontario is one of the Canadas". I agree it sounds like it is correct, but that is only because the name of the United States is in the form of a clause, but in my mind it doesn't seem technically accurate. MissionInn.Jim (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the revised version reads better. Thanks for listening.  MissionInn.Jim (talk) 19:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: AFD comments
"Bizarre" is certainly the word for it. I don't care for the chilling effect such comments have on potential AfD nominators. I usually consider myself an inclusionist, but there's no need for intimidation tactics to close down AfDs. Powers T 20:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Roy Rogers Restaurants
I am the user that added the states list and many other edits. I am still learning and it takes me several edits to get it right. I live in north Dallas and have no relationship with Roy Rogers other than eating there when I lived in Maryland. I appreciate your help. I am a retail mananger that loves fast food and I am only trying to make good contributions to Wikipedia.--Jonesdr77 (talk) 10:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I added some stuff on the Roy Rogers Restaurants page and as usual user "piano" became hysterical. Could you check out the page when you get a chance. If the edits are bad that is on me, but I had to laugh when he added in a personal comment about it being "your organization," I assume he was referring to me. Thanks --Jonesdr77 (talk) 11:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC) (in Dallas)

Disambig pages/piped links
In those two cases, yes, the redirect pages may be used, however, the purpose was to show the actual link, not the redirect page. According to MOS - WP:PIPING, redirect pages usually shouldn't be used on a disambig page, that was the purpose of the edit. --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't get upset about semantics, what I meant is exactly what you described and explained on my talk page (much better than I did). Of course, I agree with you, and I didn't have a chance to update those 2 examples to be inline with the title "Stone" before you came upon it. However, in regards to the edit summary, the purpose is definitely NOT to mislead (and don't ever insinuate that is what I'm doing!!!), it's just a blanket edit summary when using the WP:CLEANER tool, and just a shortcut to not have to explain in detail every single reason for an edit. Please tone down your accusatory tone for my sake. --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Frequently filmed
This means that the work has been filmed 3 or more times. I typically list it once to indicate the author and publication date. If someone else would like to provide the unlisted 2+ film titles, then please be my guest...

Sincerely, Varlaam (talk) 21:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC) (War Books Editor)


 * Titles are easily found. You run an IMDb search on the author's name, and some number come up flagged with (novel "The Pathfinder").
 * Historically, that page had a lot of contributors. Since I took it over, it's up 30 times in size, but with only a handful of collaborators.


 * How did you happen to notice the disam issue then if you are not a regular visitor?
 * Varlaam (talk)


 * "why you don't simply do it yourself"
 * If you had taken the time to look at the history of the page in question, you would have seen that I wrote 100% of it, so you are basically asking, Why don't I write 110%?
 * There is no reason to be so rude.
 * Varlaam (talk)

Moving townships
Greetings! I see that you have recently moved townships named "Reading Township" in several states, removing the county from the name of the article. I would ask that you avoid going further with this; townships are units of county government, not state government, and for this and other reasons it is helpful to use the naming convention "Township, County, State". In some states, townships have been named "Township, State" unless there were multiple townships in the state with the same name; but that makes the naming unpredictable and inconsistent, and that naming convention has already been abandoned in some states. Omnedon (talk) 14:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Heidegger
Thanks for getting involved where i declined to. Re your expectation of agreement on that, was i remiss in not being specific enuf to mention that Heidegger (disambiguation) had previously been overwritten with a Rdr to the bio? --Jerzy•t 18:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

No Man's Land
A complete accident on moving the article to the wrong capilization. I moved moved No Man's Land to a disambig. (completed successfully) because having articles with titles No Man's Land and no man's land was a confusing. I moved no man's land to No Man's land completely by accident. I requeted an uncontested move of that page to No Man's Land because the disambig. was capitalized and that seemed like the most reasonable way to correct the error. I already pulled the proposed move to no man's land (military) because, you're right, it doen't make sense and was made in haste.

So the intent was for the text page to be moved to No Man's Land and for the disambig. page to reside at No Man's Land (disambiguation) so as to remove the confusion. --Labattblueboy (talk) 21:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Oranges (film)
Hi. I have dePRODded this, because I have found a few references - it seems it does exist and has been shown at a couple of festivals. It's in IMDb as 2010(V) which I suppose means straight-to-video. It may well not meet the notability guideline; take it to AfD if you like. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The Resurrection (play)
Definitely no hoax, I've deprodded. I found two good sources that I've added. There are many more books and news articles referring to it, though as it was first performed in the 1930s most of them are behind paywalls. Fences &amp;  Windows  02:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

"cleanup per MOS:DP and WP:D" edits
When doing these, I'm sure otherwise quite correctly and necessarily, I noticed that on a couple of occasions you've "un-cleaned-up" the punctuation, per MOS:PUNCT, most recently at ruby, for example. (i.e. reversing the existing, MOS-compliant "logical" convention to the US-humanities "aesthetic" one.) Hopefully it's possible to do the one, without the other! Thanks. 84.203.43.70 (talk) 05:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. BTW, the "aesthetic" convention is by no means invariably used by Americans/in American works:  many technical works opt for the "logical" one.  (Otherwise, I imagine that in the usual spirit of "international wiki-cooperation", it would have been bulldozed to that convention long since, by sheer weight of numbers.)  84.203.43.70 (talk) 02:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Pathfinder
Thanx for the heads up. The link was to explain "blind bombing", not specifically to elucidate pathfinder, but it is confusing, so I'll do a little cleanup and link to the specific group, whose designation was 482nd Bombardment Group (Pathfinder). The USAAF pathfinders were like the RAF Pathfinders listed just above on the disambiguations page (and the reason my edit was added), they were guides (i.e. pathfinders) to and illuminating an obscured target--the RAF using flares and other means, the AAF using radar. The only connection to soldiers who trod the ground in advance of other ground units is that they were distant cousins in that huge entity that was the US Army. Otherwise two completely different animals. I'll clean up both the disambiguation edit and the 482nd article to the degree that the confusion is dispelled. --Reedmalloy (talk) 14:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoa Kỳ
Re my comment and your response at Articles for deletion/Hoa Kỳ: I have created the subject article here: Names of the United States. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 20:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Updated template
For a long time I have used what someone created several years ago as it is far better than inserting a date nobody bothers to change. I agree, though, the time of day is unnecessary but is there an alternative template available? Handicapper (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * "I'm glad we're in agreement that the templates are unnecessary" ??? - I said the opposite. The template is needed but not the time of day. You should not arbitrarily delete Templates in use for years without full discussion. In this case, go ahead a create a new Template sans Time of day and the old ones will be replaced over time. Thanx. Handicapper (talk) 15:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I want to show "last updated" information for horses. I changed the Template at Regal Embrace to the way I want it and will do it that way in the future as well as change existing ones as I come across them. Thanx. Handicapper (talk) 15:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * "unless you can ensure that every single article using it is updated every 24 hours" - With all due respect, your comment doesn't make any sense to me. Handicapper (talk) 21:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll be damned. For years I thought it automatcally changed to the date of the last edit. By all meeans get rid of this useless info. Does a template exist that can do what I thought it did? Handicapper (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing Colorado Mounted Rangers
Hey, thanks for fixing that page for me and making it right. I would have created a new page myself, but I have not the power to do so. Since you created it, it has been actively updated by many. Thanks for making this proper, sorry I had to be non-standard to get somebody's attention. 128.138.200.94 (talk) 21:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: A Single Man
That user was me that posted the $8 million, because at the time that what was reported. Why it's not there now, I don't know. Maybe a miscalculation. Anyways BOM is not the only box office source that we use. If you have a problem with that site being used, take it to WP:RS/Noticeboard, but the site is currently accepted by the Film Project as a reliable source. Most of the time The-Numbers post foreign figures way before BOM. — Mike   Allen   21:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Um I don't disagree that we shouldn't use BOM. It's currently projecting a bigger number.  So obviously they are doing something right.  However, when T-N projects a higher number, then it should be used.  Right now it's showing a smaller number than BOM, so apparently they screwed something up the other day.  Also in this case, BOM shows that the film is only in 46 theaters, while The-Numbers doesn't—so yes BOM is a better source in this case.   I will reflect that in the infobox, so people won't think the movie flopped.   My edit summary was just letting you or anyone else know that T-N is still used on WP as a reliable source.  Because a lot of people think only BOM should be used.  That's all, wasn't trying to be a smart-ass. :) —  Mike   Allen   22:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)