User talk:Protonk/Archive 14

The WikiProject: Good Articles Newsletter (January 2013)
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Wikipedia Ambassadors update
Hi! You're getting this message because you are or have been a Wikipedia Ambassador. A new term is beginning for the United States and Canada Education Programs, and I wanted to give you an update on some important new information if you're interested in continuing your work this term as a Wikipedia Ambassador.

You may have heard a reference to a transition the education program is going through. This is the last term that the Wikimedia Foundation will directly run the U.S. and Canada programs; beginning in June, a proposed thematic organization is likely to take over organizing the program. You can read more about the proposal here.

Another major change in the program will take effect immediately. Beginning this term, a new MediaWiki education extension will replace all course pages and Ambassador lists. (See Course pages and Help:Education Program extension for more details.) Included in the extension are online volunteer and campus volunteer user rights, which let you create and edit course pages and sign up as an ambassador for a particular course.

If you would like to continue serving as a Wikipedia Ambassador — even if you do not support a class this term — you must create an ambassador profile. If you're no longer interested in being a Wikipedia Ambassador, you don't need to do anything.

First, you need the relevant user rights for Online and/or Campus Ambassadors. (If you are an admin, you can grant the rights yourself, for you as well as other ambassadors.) Just post your rights request here, and we'll get you set up as quickly as possible.
 * Please do these steps as soon as possible

Once you've got the ambassador rights, please set up at a Campus and/or Online Ambassador profile. You can do so at:
 * Special:CampusAmbassadorProfile
 * Special:OnlineAmbassadorProfile

Going forward, the lists of Ambassadors at Special:CampusAmbassadors and Special:OnlineAmbassadors will be the official roster of who is an active Ambassador. If you would like to be an Ambassador but not ready to serve this term, you can un-check the option in your profile to publicly list it (which will remove your profile from the list).

After that, you can sign on to support courses. The list of courses will be at Special:Courses. (By default, this lists "Current" courses, but you can change the Status filter to "Planned" to see courses for this term that haven't reached their listed start date yet.)

As this is the first term we have used the extension, we know there will be some bugs, and we know the feature set is not as rich as it could be. (A big wave of improvements is already in the pipeline. And if you know MediaWiki and could help with code review, we'd love to have your help!) Please reach out to me (Sage Ross) with any complaints, bug reports, and feature suggestions. The basic features of the extension are documented at Course pages, and you can see a tutorial for setting up and using them here.

In the past, the Education Program has had a pretty fragmented set of communication channels. We're trying to fix that. These are the recommended places to discuss and stay up-to-date on the education program:
 * Communication and keeping up to date
 * 1) The education noticeboard has become the main on-wiki location for discussion of the Education Program. You can post there about broad education program issues as well as issues with individual courses.
 * 2) The Ambassadors Announce email list is a very low-traffic announcements list of important information all Ambassadors need to be aware of. We encourage all Ambassadors (and other interested Wikipedians) to subscribe to the list; follow the instructions on the link to add your email address.
 * 3) If you use IRC regularly, or need to try to reach someone immediately, the  IRC channel is the place to find me and fellow Ambassadors.

We now have an online training for Ambassadors, which is intended to be both an orientation about the Wikipedia Ambassador role for newcomers and the manual for how to do the role. (There are parallel trainings for students and for educators as well.)
 * Ambassador training and resources

Please go through the training if you feel like you need a refresher on how a typical class is supposed to go and where the Ambassadors fit in, or if you want to review and help improve it. If there's something you'd like to see added, or other suggestions you have for it, feel free to edit the training and/or leave feedback. A primer on setting up and using course pages is included in the educators' training.

The Resources page of the training is the main place for Ambassador-related resources. If there's something you think is important as a resource that's not on there, please add it.

Finally, whether or not you work with any classes this term, I encourage you to post entries to the Trophy Case whenever you see excellent work from students or if you have great examples from past semesters. And, as always, let students (and other editors!) know when they do things well; a little WikiLove goes a long way!

--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 20:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

AFT5 newsletter
Hey all; another newsletter.


 * If you're not already aware, a Request for Comment on the future of the Article Feedback Tool on the English-language Wikipedia is open; any and all comments, regardless of opinion and perspective, are welcome.
 * Our final round of hand-coding is complete, and the results can be found here; thanks to everyone who took part!
 * We've made test deployments to the German and French-language projects; if you are aware of any other projects that might like to test out or use the tool, please let me know :).
 * Developers continue to work on the upgraded version of the feedback page that was discussed during our last office hours session, with a prototype ready for you to play around with in a few weeks.

That's all for now! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Rangeblock tool
So Jasper Deng just pointed out to me on IRC that ~pathoschild/stalktoy/ does exactly what you want, with more features. Hope its useful. Legoktm (talk) 06:17, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll take a look. Protonk (talk) 11:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

New Article Feedback version available for testing
Hey all.

As promised, we've built a set of improvements to the Article Feedback Tool, which can be tested through the links here. Please do take the opportunity to play around with it, let me know of any bugs, and see what you think :).

A final reminder that the Request for Comment on whether AFT5 should be turned on on Wikipedia (and how) is soon to close; for those of you who have not submitted an opinion or !voted, it can be found here.

Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 19:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Mambourin Enterprises page
Hi Protonk, Can you please provide some details as to why the page was deleted as I tried to write it from a neutral position giving non promotional information about the organisation. I would like to get a wikipedia page up for people to look at when researching our organisation however I don't want it deleted from under me just as quick as it was created. The reasons given were speedy deletion criteria A7, G11, G12

Cheers

Wazsxr (talk) 00:44, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. There were a few reasons why the page was deleted. First, it appears that most of the material in the page was taken from this which is copyrighted material and not released under a license which would make it appropriate to use in Wikipedia. That's a principal problem. Second, the subject falls into a category of a category of pages which is generally not considered appropriate for the encyclopedia. A search on google returned no independent sources which cover the organization--it is absolutely crucial for our project to only have pages on subjects where there is verifiable information. Without that information a critical reader cannot judge the content of a page. Protonk (talk) 02:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, you are correct in saying the information came from our about us page however I would have thought as the owner of the page (and material) we could use it to create a Wikipedia page. Happy to rewrite it if it is going to cause a problem, perhaps you could give some pointers on this? I took any information out that I thought would not be seen as non-bias or even self-promoting, just stuck to the facts about the organisation and it's origins. If you look on the first page of a Google search of Mambourin Enterprises you can find a number of independent sources that cover our organisation and what we do:
 * Social Support Directory
 * Local Municipal Council

And a search for news articles in Google produces a few articles about the work we have done in the community:
 * Tee up for a good cause
 * Two new faces for Mambourin
 * Mambourin supported by Sanctuary Lakes
 * Mambourin Sensory Gardens reopened

Is there any way to undelete the page and modify it, bringing it back within the criteria to be displayed on Wikipedia?

Thanks again for the help. Wazsxr (talk) 05:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Protonk, could you please point me in the right direction for an answer to my question above if you cannot help? Thank you Wazsxr (talk) 23:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * (Responding per a helpme request on Wazsxr's talk page, that asked for help with answering the question above). Regarding the copyright, you may own it but our content has to be licensed for our user's reuse, so it must bear a free copyright license compatible with ours (or be released into the public domain). Thus, it would have to be released, and in a verifiable manner, to be used here. See Donating copyrighted materials. However, even if that copyright issue was cleared up it still read as promotional to me, though not nearly as blatantly as some (note that an encyclopedia article never talks about the subject in the first person, e.g. "our..." as it did). Anyway, we cannot undelete copyright violations; if this is to be re-created it would need to start from scratch, barring a verifiable release of the material. Regarding sources, what we want are not just independent sources but reliable ones, and that discuss the subject in detail (more than a passing mention). This shows both notability of the topic, and provides the verification of the information in the article that the sources are used to cite. The first two sources appear useless. Not independent, nor reliable, nor containing any substantive content on the organization. The third has a bit about the organization's sponsorship of golf so it might source one sentence. The fourth also has some citeable content, the fifth is about the definition of a "mere mention", and the sixth might have citeable content also for one sentence. The result is in my view that there's just enough to make a non-frivolous argument, but barely, were this taken to articles for deletion discussion for consideration on the merits, that the article should be kept, but I doubt it would survive unless significant better sourcing was brought to light. So what does that leave you? Well, you shouldn't be writing an article about your own organization at all but there's nothing technically stopping you from trying again without using copyrighted text, but without significantly better sourcing, I don't think any article will stick.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:23, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

We'd like your opinion
A question for people who commented in the RfC at "Probationary Period" and "Not Unless". (Or feel free to reply on my talk page, if you prefer.) - Dank (push to talk) 19:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

YGM

 * How about now? GabeMc  (talk&#124;contribs)  22:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

RFD nomination of TheAmazingAtheist
Hello. Back in March 2009, you redirected this article to Jokela school shooting. I have nominated the redirect for deletion. Your comments are welcome at Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 April 12. Robofish (talk) 14:25, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Boston Marathon
Would you mind explaining the reasoning behind your edits (as I have done in mine)? I do not think that an event that happened a few hours ago belongs in the "history" section. What is wrong with you people (talk) 19:48, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry. That was an error. You made 2 edits and I intended to revert only the first. Sorry for being hasty but this is an account that started editing after the explosion and until the last few edits you were basically just removing information. Protonk (talk) 19:53, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

A favor -Environmental law articles ready for preliminary review
Hi Protonk. I see that you're an volunteer. I'm the Professor for Aaron Frank's environmental law class, and while you're not signed up for my course, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at any or all of the articles my students are working on. One of the aspects of this sort of course is that students understand that they are putting their work out before the wikipedia community for review. In the past, there hasn't been that much activity on their pages as they were working on them. I was hoping that if you were willing, you could take a look. If not, no problem.

The students now have draft articles in mainspace and are starting to review each other's articles, and they could also use a preliminary review by an experienced Wikipedian in this area. If you get a chance, ideally sometime before Thursday or so, please take a look at the following list of articles and leave feedback on the talk page: Thank you! Aarf613 (talk) 17:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Federal exemptions for hydraulic fracturing
 * Storm King Mountain: Consolidated Edison v. Scenic Hudson Preservation Conference
 * Tennessee Valley Authority v. Hill
 * American Electric Power Company v. Connecticut
 * Sierra Club v. Babbitt
 * Los Angeles County Flood Control District v. NRDC
 * Hazardous Materials Transportation Act

A favor -Environmental law articles ready for preliminary review
Hi ProtonK! I see that you're an online ambassador. I'm the Professor for Aaron Frank's environmental law class, and while you're not signed up for my course, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at any or all of the articles my students are working on. One of the aspects of this sort of course is that students understand that they are putting their work out before the wikipedia community for review. In the past, there hasn't been that much activity on their pages as they were working on them. I was hoping that if you were willing, you could take a look. If not, no problem.

The students now have draft articles in mainspace and are starting to review each other's articles, and they could also use a preliminary review by an experienced Wikipedian in this area. If you get a chance, ideally sometime before Thursday or so, please take a look at the following list of articles and leave feedback on the talk page: Thank you! Aarf613 (talk) 06:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sierra Club v. Babbitt* Federal exemptions for hydraulic fracturing
 * Tennessee Valley Authority v. Hill
 * Los Angeles County Flood Control District v. NRDC
 * Storm King Mountain: Consolidated Edison v. Scenic Hudson Preservation Conference
 * American Electric Power Company v. Connecticut
 * Hazardous Materials Transportation Act

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 * As a listed GA participant, you are invited to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the question of whether Good Articles should be eligible to appear in the Did You Know? slot in future. Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Thank you in advance. Gilderien Chat&#124;Contributions 03:09, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

You were the best
That is true, as far as I can recall.

It has been some time, and the specifics fade (a while ago did I leave the wiki), but I was browsing old pages, kind of reminiscing over my formative years (when I was young I edited the wiki, moving on to other things as an adult), and I came across your name. Like I said, the specifics have faded; I made so many edits and interacted with so many editors, now it is all kind of mixed up in my mind, but I remember you. I knew you, I saw you around, we had some interactions, I think you may have thought at least a bit favorably of me... and I really, really respected you.

Well, whatever you are doing these days, I hope you are rocking it hard core. 201.237.136.162 (talk) 07:13, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ecosocial theory concern
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Speedy deletion nomination of Dead End (Transformers)


A tag has been placed on Dead End (Transformers), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate,. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. TTN (talk) 13:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)