User talk:Protonk/Archive 19

Sorry about that edit conflict!
On the gg talk page. That's a new one for me. I suspect it's not a big deal on the talk page, but should I just delete my question and get out of the way? Happy to do so. Just let me know, thank you. Dumuzid (talk) 20:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I *think* I was able to restore it without removing anything else. Also no worries, it happens all the time. Protonk (talk) 20:05, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

You were correct
Thanks for allowing the section to stand. I admit that my "interjection" at Do we consider NPOV issues... may not have answered the direct question being asked at that point in the section. I apologize for that. I did feel that it may have spoken to the title of the section however, for whatever that may or may not have been worth. Next time I will place any such comments in a more appropriate location within a given setion. Scott P. (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. Though I'm not an admin nor am I a regular watcher of WT:NPOV, so I don't know if someone else will consider that new section germane or not. I can also understand why you replied as you did in that section, since the scope of the discussion wasn't made very clear w/ the section title or opening post. Protonk (talk) 13:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Links to documents
I put in the health document which you removed saying "rm purely decorative image. A screencap of a document, really?". The screencap is not the attraction - the document that a person gets by clicking through is. I put other documents in other places. There is no Wiki-policy about this because so far as I can tell, I am the only person who puts documents into articles. People often remove documents. I am not really sure why.

Currently pictures are encouraged, videos sometimes are, and other media is out of the Wikipedia article and probably not appropriate for external links. Personally I like providing pdfs which are relevant.


 * GLAM/smarthistory is a project to put external links to non-free videos in the body of articles - unorthodox but community supported, and an example of linking through to content in an article body
 * I tried posting the arrest document for an issue at Devyani_Khobragade_incident. It seemed obvious to me that 30+ journalists in popular media had never seen the original document despite it being short, free, readable, and rather unlike anyone's reporting. It was removed also, probably mostly for being a document.
 * I try to pressure all health organizations to release copyright on their content and post it in-wiki, as at Antibiotic_misuse

I appreciate your attention. I would like more pressure on more organizations to make their documents have free licenses and that might contribute to my bias about including documents in articles.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  15:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Videos are tough to square with this interpretation, but I really feel articles should be written so that they're still sensible in print and on mobile (the mobile view for that page is a mess, requiring a reader scroll past 4 images before they reach the text in the lede). In print (or in a resource that consumes the page and presents it in a print-like format) the image does very little. I guess more broadly I feel that images should compliment the text above all else. In this regard the generated image of a miracle cure is probably also largely decorative, however the FDA's justification in making the image seemed good enough that it should be in the article (though probably not at the top of the page), since it is showing an image which is obviously at variance to the marketing material we see on bottles.
 * I think we can and should re-host freely licensed documentation, but I'm not convinced that it's best for readers to display them as inline images. I think we should consider a reader browsing an article as the modal use case and write for that. Does the image, as it stands on the page, help inform the reader? For the case of documents embedded in an article I can't see it. If reading the document enlivens a reader who might choose to do so, we should place it in the external links. People probably don't follow external links as much as they might follow an image link to a document at the top of the page, but that's not reason enough (in my mind) to place it on the page.
 * I'm not sure if there is a guideline or policy proscribing this. There are hundreds of those pages I've never read (not even counting the MOS). Maybe there is (maybe it even follows my above argument). But I have no idea. Protonk (talk) 17:03, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the note. Seems like I got to the party 2 days late, so I won't add my voice to the din there. Protonk (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Data
Where's the data that Aaron Halfaker uploaded, on active users? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:48, 13 October 2015 (UTC).


 * Documentation here (with links to the dataset and code). Protonk (talk) 01:30, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * TYVM! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC).


 * I see I get a mention for my Afar edits... All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:32, 13 October 2015 (UTC).

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Typo?
In 2015 administrator election reform/Phase I/RfC‎‎ you said "It's silly to keep tools unbundled beyond the minimum necessary for legal issues."

Did you mean to say "It's silly to keep tools bundled beyond ...."?

davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  17:32, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . It was indeed a typo. Fixed. Protonk (talk) 20:50, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey!
You're supposed to edit the "Statement by other editor" section, not mine. Thanks for the edit conflict ;) NE Ent 21:07, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought I did! And I have the automated edit summary to prove it! :) Protonk (talk) 21:24, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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How do I remove my IP address if I've mistakenly commented without being logged in? Req: Science Law Chess (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Sorry for not seeing this earlier. You can send me an email with the revisions in question and I'll make sure they're deleted. Protonk (talk) 21:21, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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Welcome back!
Protonk, I know that you have returned to editing recently but I saw your note at BN and I just wanted to welcome you back as an admin! We can use all of the active admins we can get! Liz Read! Talk! 00:48, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . :) Protonk (talk) 10:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, take a look at AE. Just like old times, old friend. MarkBernstein (talk) 11:11, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll probably try to stay away from GG as an editor. The committee and the community refused to tackle the basic issues in the topic area, so as far as I'm concerned they can deal with the perpetual bullshit coming from it. Protonk (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Great to have another skilled admin back. HighInBC 14:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * YES. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

As a recently returned sysop, welcome back to the admin corps. We always need help at WP:ADMINBACKLOG if there are any areas you can help with that would be most welcomed. Happy mopping! — xaosflux  Talk 21:41, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks all for your thoughts. Protonk (talk) 11:58, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Sargun Mehta
Thanks for delisting the subject GA. I guess you missed to remove the GA tag from the article and hence I have done it now. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks. I missed it in the instructions and I'm so used to Legobot adding it for GANs that I assumed it took them away from GARs. Protonk (talk) 10:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I also assumed the bot would do it and checked if the bot is down. Then found out some tiny instruction somewhere that this needs to be done manually. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:43, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Arab Telecommunications
Hello bro، Im Mishary from Arabic Wikipedia, please can you move this Page From Arab Telecommunications To Mada Communication, Because this company change this name.. you can check in Official website, Thank you --MeeshQ8 (talk) 23:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I haven't made any edits to that page and don't know anything about the topic. If you would like the page moved you can leave a comment at Talk:Arab Telecommunications. Protonk (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Fast inverse square root
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I raised a point at your other talk page several days ago & note you've not replied to anything there this year. Should I repost here? Cabayi (talk) 12:55, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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I'm not really here ....
I beg to differ, Adam, I just noticed your posts today! That reminded me ... we've got the beginnings of a discussion on using inflation figures for hurricane damage at WP:ERRORS today. I think there are maybe five or six things going on here that aren't always relevant to inflation figures, but I guess the main concerns are the usual ones. I don't always pay attention to these discussions ... what's the wisdom these days on inflation figures? - Dank (push to talk) 14:42, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, the "really" does a lot of work for me. I don't have any expert advice on the subject, but since hurricanes is an active and specific area of work the best way to resolve it seems to be a consistent strategy. I see you've got a few options (dollars here could be yuan, pesos, etc.):
 * Use constant dollars (the correction for the US is commonly CPI. see here).
 * Use nominal dollars (the value at the time of the storm), noting the year and that they're nominal dollars.
 * Use both.
 * Both the first and the third option mean you need to know the series to adjust the currency in for whatever country the damage occurred in. So if a hurricane hits Jamaica while we might show dollar values for our visitors (because we choose to or because the sources choose to) the relevant series to get constant Jamaican Dollars is their equivalent of CPI, not the US CPI. I don't know how prohibitive that is.


 * The second option is the simplest, provided your sources are contemporary to the storm. But you won't avoid questions like those at ERRORS because a visitor will always want a comparison to constant dollars for their clarity.


 * Another option might be to use both constant and nominal dollars for currencies where you have a series like the CPI that can be applied without OR (IOW one that other people have use regularly to correct values for inflation) and use only nominal dollars for currencies where you can't make that determination.


 * I offer the above with another caveat. As I'm "not really here" I'm likely not up to date on what communities on Wikipedia are doing in this area. There may even be a template that does the CPI conversion in text for you w/ USD. Protonk (talk) 15:22, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's helpful. Good to see you. - Dank (push to talk) 15:26, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Your unsolicited advice to GMG
I understand what you are trying to get at with your 'unsolicited advice' but it is well past time to let it go. All you are doing, intentionally or not, is piling on and increasing the stress level. Thank you for your future restraint and understanding. Jbh Talk  15:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't hasten to thank me for something that hasn't happened yet. Regardless, I'm done there. Protonk (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the comment here. It made a lot of sense to me. And thank you for marching against the Nazis. It's surprising that in the year 2018 people still have to march against Nazism, antisemitism and white supremacy, but these are the strange times we live in. --K.e.coffman (talk) 20:21, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * These are strange times. In retrospect, perhaps we should have paid more attention to the fact that Godwin's law described an empirical regularity. Protonk (talk) 13:07, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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Women's fear of crime
You seem to have put this into article space and so may be interested in the current proposal to delete it. Andrew D. (talk) 09:42, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, . If in the future you see Adam (Wiki Ed)'s moves into the mainspace let Shalor know as they may be able to follow up faster than me. If that's too much you can ping me and I'll try to ping them in time but whether or not I see a given notification is essentially random. Protonk (talk) 22:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for tagging me! Definitely let me know if there are any issues! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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