User talk:ProveIt/Archive 1

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 * Hi ProveIt, is this [] actually you, just not logged in? (someone is likely to strike the vote otherwise).  Thanks! Antandrus  (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow... yes, removing it was the right thing to do. Thanks, and happy editing! Antandrus  (talk) 18:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * And it was re-added, while removing someone else's vote. --Interiot 20:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Millennium question
hi Provelt -- you changed the redirect on this page to point to Anno Domini, noting that this fixed a double redirect, but in fact it was pointing happily to Millennium. I think Millennium better describes the problem which the author of "Millennium question" was trying to address, that is the counting/year zero problem. Any issue with changing that back the way it was? Thanks. bikeable (talk) 21:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fast work -- thanks! bikeable (talk) 22:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
If you have a moment, perhaps you could vote at Articles for deletion/Benjamin Bradley. Some users are trying to delete this article in which you may be interested. Thanks. Zeromacnoo 04:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

External Link for Kim Possible
Why did you remove the link I added to the Kim Possible page. It was a good link with a lot of information on Kim Possible.(Steve 16:46, 17 February 2006 (UTC))
 * I apologize then. I also left a message on Erasers.  Sorry for the confusion. (Steve 20:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC))

Proposal
Hey, I have posted a policy change proposal on the Wikipedia talk:Editing policy page. I would your opinion and all Wikipedia members with accounts. Please. (Steve 21:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC))

Note of appreciation.
Thank you for creating a new category for the Red Hot AIDS Benefit Series. From here on in, I will be sure to use it where appropriate.

Cheers. Folajimi 22:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)(talk)

London (2005 film)
Hi, I am not sure that the date on imdb is correct. I believe films are normally dated by their year of release and this film was not released until 2006 (Rotten Tomatoes dates it as 2006). Regards Arniep 17:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, I didn't know it was shown at a film festival in 2005, so perhaps that does mean 2005 is appropriate? Arniep 17:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

"Blanked by User:Kinneyboy90"
I noted that in an edit summary you stated "blanked by User:Kinneyboy90." I want to know what you meant by that. Эйрон Кинни (t) 01:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok, just curious. Эйрон Кинни  (t) 01:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Musicians
Did you read the edit comment I left when I reverted your edits to Category:WikiProject Musicians? When you re-add removed content, it's usually customary to include a comment explaining why you think it should be there. I still don't think it should, but if you have a reason why it should, I'd like to know. Thanks.  B. Mearns * , KSC 12:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for the explanation. Personally, I still think it's a little wierd, since the categories themselves are not WikiProjects, but I agree that it seems to be the standard practice. I'll put it back.  B. Mearns * , KSC 15:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Categories for deletion nominations
I know it must seem tedious, but for each of the redundant categories you've nominated for deletion please can you note which category they are redundant to. This will allow other people to easily check that they truly are redundant and the nominations are neither vandalistic or point-making. Thryduulf 13:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:United States territorial organization and state admission legislation
Hey! Why'd you blank Category:United States territorial organization and state admission legislation? You said, "cfd, blanked by creator" but there's no CFD discussion and I (as the creator) didn't blank it. Public Lands are not the same as territorial organization and state admission. (E.g., Hawaii was hardly public lands when it was admitted to the Union.) Please explain.&mdash;Markles 16:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Whoops, you're right. Sorry!!!!!!!  &mdash;Markles 16:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Hamilton-Wenham Regional High School
I had a specific reason for blanking the page. I forgot to ask the proper authorities to plug in the information. AgentFade2Black 01:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Category purge
Just to say thanks for your continuing efforts to tidy up the Category namespace via WP:CfD. Nice work! Best wishes, David Kernow 20:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello ProveIt, I also appreciate your work at CFD. But I'm not sure you're using Category:Wikipedia category redirects properly. It says that anything should be put there only as a result of CFD discussion (and there's a template category redirect for it). When there are duplicate categories (one of them misnamed), one of them should be just deleted. Only when there are two (or more) equally good names, one should become a redirect to avoid continuous re-creation. (At least that's how I understand it.) Conscious 07:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding a cfd template to Category:Ishtadevatas, which should be deleted (it has been replaced by Category:Yidams) - however, there is no evidence of your an entry at Categories_for_deletion, which is pretty sloppy work, IMO. Care to fix that? (20040302)

Hi I had the list of people who claim capitalism is imperialism. It started out as a web page. SOmeone complained and said it was a category. So I opened a category. Now you complain and say its a list. Where does it go? Mrdthree 03:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Vitória Guimarães players
If the club article is Vitória SC, then, I would like the category to be Category:Vitória SC players or something like that. I made the remark because "Vitória Guimarães" just makes little sense. Regards! Afonso Silva 14:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Boston University Navbox Category
The Template:NavigationBox Boston University template is a template for creating a standard navigation box for all BU uses. While currently the only implementation of this is in the BU Housing System, this does not mean that this template exists only for that purpose.

The original Category:Boston University tag reflected this; the change to Category:Boston University Housing is not appropriate, and I plan on reverting.

-Pjorg 03:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Speedy renaming of categories
I've removed several of your entries from the speedy renaming section of Categories for Deletion. If you want to re-add them to the main CfD using the proper tags and listing them in the main section, feel free. If they've been empty for more than 4 days, then they fall under CSD C1, and you can get them speedly deleted by adding db-catempty to the gategories. For conveniance, I've listed the cats below.


 * Category:Images with no copyright tag as of 15 April 2006 (delete) -- ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Images with no copyright tag as of 16 April 2006 (delete) -- ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Images with no copyright tag as of 17 April 2006 (delete) -- ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Images with no copyright tag as of 18 April 2006 (delete) -- ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Images with no copyright tag as of 19 April 2006 (delete) -- ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Images with no copyright tag as of 20 April 2006 (delete) -- ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:Images with no copyright tag as of 21 April 2006 (delete) -- ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Hope this is ok with you. SeventyThree(Talk) 21:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Categories...
Hi Eric,
 * ''Do you know how I can tell how long a category has been empty? ...
 * ''On a related note, is there any way to tell what a category used to contain? ...
 * ''Do you know who I would ask about refreshing the uncategorized categories list? ...

Thanks for your message and for thinking I could help with the above – unfortunately, the brief answer to all is "I don't know..." but I'd be confident that one of the admins who frequent WP:CfD (Syrthiss, TexasAndroid, William Allen Simpson, etc) would have some idea and maybe the tools for the job. I'm going to keep your page on my watchlist as I too would like to find out more about these questions. Meanwhile, I'm happy to support your work as it's great housekeeping and indicates what hasn't worked out to folk like me who follow the CfD page. Thanks! Best wishes, David Kernow 18:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Speedy renames
Please follow the instructions for adding canidates. The new ones go at the top and not the bottom. When you add them at the bottom, an editor needs to move them into their correct place in the list. Thanks. Vegaswikian 18:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I didn't see the instructions. I've made a note so more people won't make the same mistake. -- ProveIt (talk)
 * Good call on Category:Paranormal Watchers, I saw it too but couldn't find a good supercat. Conscious 17:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

uncategorized categories
Sorry, don't know who updated that list. Not sure who to ask, but Village pump (assistance) might be a good starting place. Vegaswikian 21:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Category: People of Praise
Recently, Covington placed Category: People of Praise in the category Christian denominations of North America. I saw the edit and reverted it, leaving an explanation on POP's talk page. Covington did not revert my change, and I'm guessing he read my explanation. You however, saw my change, and unreverted it, leaving an edit summary of "rv, vandalism". I ask that you please read POP's talk page before you label my edit as vandalism or revert my changes. Also, Danbold has reverted your changes, and I'm sure he would back my explanation on the talk page. Anyways, I ask you to please not add the category on for a third time, and to read my explanation. Thank you, zappa.jak e (talk) 20:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, does Category:Christian communities work better? -- ProveIt (talk) 21:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, that does work a lot better - thanks for understanding. I'm still not sure if the category POP should be in there, but I'll leave it.  I'm also going to add the POP article to the category.  Thanks for understanding, zappa.jak e  (talk) 22:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Categories themselves are supposed to be have parent categories ... see Special:Uncategorizedcategories. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess that makes sense. By the way, I refined its categorization from Christian communities to Non-denomination Christian societies and communities.  Hoping that's okay, zappa.jak e  (talk) 22:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats good, I'm sure you know more about this than I do. I'm just tidying up the loose ends. ProveIt (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Uncategorized categories
Hi, I was asking a question at Village pump (assistance) and it was suggested you might be a good person to ask. Do you know who I could ask about rebuilding the uncategorized categories list?

Is it something a non-admin can do? -- ProveIt (talk) 02:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately regular users cannot update the page, and in general admins have no special power to update that page either. I used to update Category:Orphaned categories, but there are techical difficulties described at Toolserver/Reports. I don't know whether that page is updated on a regular schedule automatically, or if it requires a special request to a developer.  You can reach the developers on #wikimedia-tech or on the Wikitech-l mailing list.  It looks like the page has been updated since you posted your question, though. -- Beland 17:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it did get refreshed that evening. Thank you for looking into it for me. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Categories of Oz on DRV
My apologies for the bulk-nature of this message, but as someone who had participated in the CFD for the "X Gang of Oz" categories recently I felt that you should be notified that they were up for review here. This is not a solicitation of a specific response there (all users who participated were notified), but if you feel you have some insight I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks! Syrthiss 15:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Categories for deletion: Aircraft by country
Could I ask you to look at this one again please? The "Ships by country" category mentioned as a comparison is used to classify ships by the country of their operation. These aircraft categories are not used in this way, they are for the country of original manufacture. I think the change to Aircraft of Foo is going to alter the meaning of the category, i.e. from "Aircraft manufactured in Foo" to "Aircraft used in Foo". This would change the nature of the category entirely, and in many cases mean dozens of additional categories on each article. JW 22:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good point, see Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_25 -- ProveIt (talk) 00:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Category: Apple Owners, nominated for CSD C1 / CFD
I am happy for you to proceed with the deletion of this page. I created it as part of a project to find wikipedians who owned old (pre-pc) home computers. Sadly, hardly anyone signed up to it, or added themselves. Please go ahead and delete the category, and do likewise with any of the others in the parent categories. Thank you for drawing this to my attention, since all of those categories are on my watched items list. Thor Malmjursson 13:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC) Thor's pet Icelandic Yack (Multilingual)

Category:Lake Forest Academy
Hi there,

We seem to be in a bit of an edit war over this page. I keep removing all the categories which are currently included because I feel those are categories that the actual article Lake Forest Academy belongs to (and that article is indeed included in those categories). To my mind, the category Lake Forest Academy is not a subcategory of Category:Boarding schools, etc. categories. In fact, if you check out Category:Boarding schools, the only subcategories listed for it outside of the Lake Forest Academy one are of the form "Boarding schools in X" (where X is a country or region).

Can you explain your rationale for including the Lake Forest Academy category as a subcatetory of the following:

Category:Boarding schools

Category:College-preparatory schools in the United States

Category:Educational institutions established in 1857

Category:Educational institutions established in 1869

Category:Educational institutions established in 1974

Category:High schools in Illinois

Category:Private schools in Illinois

Category:University-preparatory schools

Thanks... Joeyconnick 19:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Categories themselves are supposed to belong to other categories. See the uncategorized categories list, which I was working on when I got to Lake Forest Academy.  According to the edit list I put as a Category:Private schools in Illinois and a boarding school, which seemed about right to me.  I think perhaps Conscious went a little overboard, but blanking his edits seemed uncalled for and I reverted.  Given that ALL categories save one are supposed to have parents, where do you think is the correct place for Lake Forest Academy? -- ProveIt (talk) 20:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Famous Muhajir
Firstly, I am also a Muhajir and also aware of many issues involved. In my view, this category was created for ethnic chauvinism by M.Imran. Most of the people in this category are Muhajirs but they do not ascribe to Muhajir National Movement and its violence and terrorism. I told Imran that the people he added to this category are Muhajirs but they never supported MQM brand of ethnic hatred. The title itself is also controversal. Siddiqui 20:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No. You did the right thing. I think this category will stay and the links were correct. I just got offended by M.Imran pushing his agenda and associating other Muhajir who oppose or are neutral on Muhajir National Movement. Thanks.
 * Siddiqui 21:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

UK/British Suffrage Campaign name
I think UK as in 1918 the Irish Free State had not been created until the 1920s. Therefore Irish women (as in the island of ireland) could be elected MPs to the House of Commons after the Representation of the People's Bill was passed. Although during this time there was a virtual cival war between Unionists and Nationalists and a female Sinn Fein MP didn't enter the Commons - but Unionists did.

At this time (early 1900s) UK refers to Britain and Ireland untill the Republic of Ireland (southern Ireland) became a state.

Maybe the category should state that the UK in this context refers to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, rather than Britain or the UK in it's current form?
 * Well, my intention was only to expand the abreviation, in whichever standard form people prefer. If one method is more correct, by all means we should do that.  It sounds as though you know more about this than I do ... please do make your concerns known on the discussion page. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I though it was you who wanted Britain rather than United Kingdom. Anyway I've noticed that suffrage should not have a capital so it needs changing. I'm really quite new to wiki, so i'm not quite sure how to do that.
 * I suggested both in my nomination... but have no real preference. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

National Parks Category
Hi, I just wanted to ask youif it would be ok to delete the category: National parks of Peru, instead of the other one National Parks of Peru, because this last one has more complete information (or linking to the articles related to it), and the first one is almost empty. Otherwise, how do we pass the information from one to the other?? THanks for the answer --Evelyn Zuñiga 18:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's to match the other members of Category:National parks, the members should get moved over automatically, and I've already moved the description, assuming you would like to keep that. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Freespelling joke
"It was sort of a joke, people expect an encyclopedia to be correctly spelled. Therefore, 'creative' spelling is quite literally unencyclopedic. It struck me as funny at the time... I guess you had to be there"

Yeah I admit that it was pretty funny, but I am a bit slow so I needed it explained to me. Keep up the good work soldier. Grumpyyoungman01 22:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Re Government ministers by country CfD proposal
Hi Eric,
 * ''Sorry to vote against your nomination...

No problem; as I guess you've already seen from the discussion, I'm also moving toward an "in"/"of" distinction. Best wishes, David Kernow 14:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Educational institutions established in ...
I took the information you were adding to the categories and moved them into the templates. -- Usgnus 23:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but still not working, see: Category:Educational institutions established in 800. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I notified you prematurely. It's working now. Boundary years "00" decades "00s" still need manual comments Category:Educational institutions established in 1200 Category:Educational institutions established in the 1200s. -- Usgnus 00:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC) -- (revised) Usgnus 00:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thin meant good looking, not as a condition
Hello, I'm Pronoun, creator of the User thin box. I noticed you repeatedly put down "Wikipedians by physiological condition" at the bottom. I didn't mean thin to be a disorder, and I don't want it to. Being thin is a plus side (as long as you aren't to thin that you don't have strength), so could you not post the condition part at the bottom? Thank you. Pronoun 16:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree it's not a disorder, any more than left-handed is. It was just the closest thing that matched.  However, categories are supposed to have parents. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Since it's jjust condition, I'll let it be now. Pronoun 19:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

deletion of "no npov" category page
provelt, i posted on the "no npov" discussion page, but wanted to talk to you directly. i agree that the page does not conform to category standards. (blame my woeful wikiskills for that). if you wish, i would be delighted to remove the content.

instead of placing this content in a "category", i instead will create an article by that name.

however, i ask that the "no npov" category be kept on wikipedia. just as other categories have pages for like-minded wikipedians to be listed (i.e. red sox, vegetarians, teachers, etc.) i would like the category for "no npov" to exist as well. thanks. i will check back here in a in day or so.
 * As an essay, I think it's fine. As a category, it's badly named and overly verbose. It came to my attention just because it showed up on the uncategorized categories list.  The closest thing which would match is Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia philosophy ... see here:
 * Association of Deletionist Wikipedians
 * Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians
 * Association of Categorist Wikipedians
 * Now, the current Category:No NPOV isn't a category and should certainly go. If you want to build a real category, this is what I'd recommend. Create a new category with a more appropriate name, such as Category:Wikipedians opposed to NPOV, which would be a member of Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia philosophy. The description should just be a short summary of your ideas and a link to the essay itself. Let me know if you would like any help with any of this. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

provelt, once again thanks. i will do as suggested. i will be outside of my normal country for a few weeks, but will deal with this when i get back. Hongkyongnae 23:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Diamond Head, Hawaii
One of the pictures on the Diamond Head, Hawaii article is up for nomination to become a featured picture! You can see the picture. Please add a supporting vote on its nomination page here or, more specifically,, if you feel it's worthy. Thanks for your help! Cathryn 15:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:User springfieldfalconsfans
I rv'ed your categorization for this category because the Springfield Falcons are not a National Hockey League team. BoojiBoy 14:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct. Thank you. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Santa-Clara-County-Oregon-Expressway.gif
Thanks for uploading Image:Santa-Clara-County-Oregon-Expressway.gif. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

I am listing this as without a license since PD-CAGov is now removed. Either make a fair use claim or the image should be deleted. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 22:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What was the problem with PD-CAGov? It seems to me that since the it was paid for by tax money, it really ought to be public domain. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No one was able to find a statute or court ruling to back up PD-CAGov. It would be nice if things worked that way, but state and local governments can hold copyright in the US.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, do you plan on making a fair use claim on the other expressway maps you uploaded? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think there's a few others... I didn't expect it would even be an issue, they are county rouds and I found the maps on a county website. ProveIt (talk) 15:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Wrestling pay-per-view venues
I see that a category I made...pro wrestling ppv venues has become just "pro wrestling venues." why did this happen? please reply on my talk page. WillC 21:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Space Program Fatalities rename request
It may be wiser to rename this category to "Space program fatalities" instead, because a Google search shows that nowhere in articles is the phrase "Space Program" used with title case. If you don't object in an hour, I'll rename it to "Space program fatalities". Regards, Kimchi.sg 15:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree; I've changed the nomination for Category:Space Program Fatalities to Category:Space program fatalities as you suggested. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Waterfalls category
Please refrain for nominating waterfall categories for deletion without commenting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Waterfalls. The current category names are inconsisten with Wikipedia naming convnetions and are being moved to be standardized. Cacophony 00:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm ... landforms say of. See: Naming_conventions_%28categories%29. ProveIt (talk) 00:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Single category in section heading
Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion

When at first you did this, I found it a little annoying, as I couldn't figure out exactly what you wanted to do. As time has gone on, you have refined it, and now I prefer it, especially for merges and umbrella nominations. I'd still not use italics, and copying to the /Working page is sometimes a challenge.

Anyway, I'm requesting that we change to something like this as our standard format.
 * --William Allen Simpson

You never responded, but you continue to use the two line format. Please indicate your support/opposition at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion
 * --William Allen Simpson 04:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, somehow I missed the idea it was something we got a say on. I guess I'm still a little new. Obviously I like doing it that way, but I'm not sure how I feel about making anyone else change their habits.  I like the two line form better when I want to make it clear that it's a merge, and not just a rename.  Or when I want to merge, but then keep as redirect. -- ProveIt (talk) 07:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who are fans of 2001: A Space Odyssey
Something is wrong. None of the users who use these userboxes are listed here. I am one of them and I AM NOT listed. Anyone have an idea why this is the case? -- Jason Palpatine 00:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC) (speak your mind | contributions)
 * I looked at Template:User 2001, and it seems that Category:Wikipedians who are fans of 2001: A Space Odyssey is in a noinclude section. If you want the template to populate your category, I think the category has to be included. -- ProveIt (talk) 05:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. How do I go about doing that? -- Jason Palpatine 07:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like you have figrured it out. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Category:Vietnamese art
Your recent edit to Category:Vietnamese art (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // Tawkerbot2 18:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about that, and thanks for your understanding. Are you sure it didn't do the colon on the category, I swear that was fixed 3 weeks ago :o -- Tawker 21:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Highways of Israel
Why put this on CFD? A simple discussion on the talk page would have been much more effective. --Shuki 20:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What happened was that Category:Roads in Israel showed up as orphaned, and I discovered it had been emptied and abandoned without any discussuion whatsoever... which constitutes a unilateral rename. ProveIt (talk) 20:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh well...I had emailed user:ynhockey to revert. He works nights sometimes so I'm patient, but I wanted to wait for his response. --Shuki 21:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject FBI
Join up... :) You seem to be interested.. WikiProject FBI. Shane (talk/contrib) 15:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, add to the members section....seems like I am the only one. :) --Cyril Thomas 15:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation. However, I've just been cleaning up the uncategorized categories list, which means that eventually, I get into pretty much everything. Really, I just enjoy organizing things ...  But if you would like any help with something let me know -- ProveIt (talk) 15:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:IP addresses used by Wikipedia users
This category is only a list of IP addresses, not a list of banned, blocked and suspected sockpuppets of users. Please verify this!!!! - Emir214 07:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Categories themselves are supposed to belong to other categories. See the uncategorized categories list, which I was working on when I got to Category:IP addresses used by Wikipedia users.  I put it in Category:Wikipedia user intervention which is the only place I could find dealing with mapping IP addresess to users.  Given that ALL categories save one are supposed to have parents, where do you think is the correct place for Category:IP addresses used by Wikipedia users?  I'm also not sure I understand why such a category is needed in the first place, since you already have an account, why not just log in? -- ProveIt (talk) 15:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
Dear Provelt, Thanks for adding the catagory criminal investigation under the category Law Enforcement. --Cyril Thomas 16:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome ... usually cleaning up the uncategorized categories list is a thankless task ... but not always. I guess I'm just one of those strange people who likes organizing things. -- ProveIt (talk)

Categories for deletion
Yesterday I accidentally erased a whole bunch of content via this edit. Today I restored the content I erased. Since you were the person affected by this, please make sure that your votes are correct. My apologies for all the trouble.Balcer 13:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Submitting categories for submission
Perhaps I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be prudent to consult with the creator of a category before one submits it as a candidate for deletion? Doing so could save a lot of time and energy on the part of everyone who gets involved in the discussion, that perhaps could be more efficiently remedied with an explanation on the Category page itself. In the case of Category:American_Tour_de_France_stage_winners, if you had asked me first, I would have provided an explanation/justification to address your concerns/questions on the category page, and the discussion currently going on could have been avoided. Anyway, something to keep in mind. Thanks. By the way, do you have any concerns/questions besides what you stated on the categories for deletion page? --Serge 17:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have an agenda here, I was just cleaning up the uncategorized categories list, and it really isn't realistic for me to write 209 letters... However, in light of persuasive arguments by you and Mike Selinker, I've changed my vote.  I still think the current setup isn't really correct, skipping a level like that, but we should keep it and eventually I think it will it will all work out. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

new date header at WP:CFD
Thanks for adding the new day header at WP:CFD. I've started a list of the regular sorts of maintenance tasks that need to get done at Maintenance/tasklist. I think most of these should be done by bots, but two of the main bot-people seem to have left lately. Anyone can do most of them, so directly answering your question ("shouldn't an admin do this") - an admin can, but anyone else can, too. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's good to know. Glad I could help ... -- ProveIt (talk) 03:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep. William Allen Simpson was doing it for a long time (with occaisional pop ins by me and EurekaLott and others), and he isn't an admin either.  Thanks for updating it! Syrthiss 11:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA?
Hiyas ProveIt. I wanted to ask if you have any desire to be a wiki admin? I personally think you do great work with the uncategorized categories and all my interactions with you have been positive, and those are things that start making me think along these lines. If you need more information on what adminship is, you can view WP:ADMIN. As you have probably seen (or can see from my talk page ;) ), being an admin isn't nessecarily a good thing to some so I can understand if you don't want to.

Please let me know (you can reply here, I have it watched). Cheers, Syrthiss 14:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'd be willing to do it, if people want me to ... although I do get the idea it's a thankless job. I think I fit pretty well with doing categories because I enjoy organizing things... -- ProveIt (talk) 15:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, then I'd have to say don't do it. :) We're not short for admins, and if you've been content in doing your work here and haven't desired extra buttons then its probably better to not go for it at the moment.  Certainly nobody would hold it against you that you declined nomination if you decided you wanted it later. Syrthiss 15:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, for the stuff I've been doing and enjoy doing, I really haven't needed it. But I certainly wouldn't rule it out someday.  I've only been here since October and still feel a little new.  -- ProveIt (talk) 15:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. If you ever are looking for a nomination, feel free to give me a ping. Syrthiss 16:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In a couple more months, I might just do that. Thanks again. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Enforce inclusion of categories
Hi, I've made a proposal to change the software to prevent mainspace pages from being saved unless they contain a category. Since you've done a lot of work at User:Bluemoose/Uncategorised good articles, which would be affected by this proposal, I'd appreciate your thoughts! bd2412 T 23:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know about this. -- ProveIt (talk) 05:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

CFD
Just wanted to let you know I relisted the four bassist categories that you nominated here because none of them were tagged. The relisting is here. Could you either tag them for deletion, merging, whatever, or move the discussion to a talk page until it's decided what to do with them? Thanks. --Kbdank71 14:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know about this. It seems to me most people are happy with the way things are now. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:The Saint
The two categories you placed this in are inappropriate as Simon Templar is already listed under them. Do we really need to have this category under another category? If so, it needs to be listed under something that doesn't include Simon Templar otherwise it's needless duplication. Please respond on my talk page. Thanks. 23skidoo 18:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Association of Categorist Wikipedians
Actually, that headline is a bit misleading...

What I'm really interested in is a FAQ or HowTo for helping out with categorizing uncategorized pages. I posted on the Categorists talk page and haven't heard anything. Of course, it's only been a day or so...

But then I noticed that half the Categorists listed on the Association of Categorist Wikipedians page were no longer active Wikipedians. So I wondered if anyone in the group was still working on categorization :)

Any pointers for a newbie Categorist?

Thanks!!! -- SatyrTN 21:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm still quite active in categories... Anything in particular you want to know about? In general I'd recommend looking at the archives of Categories for discussion for a little while, just to get a feeling for the process.  Other good places to look:


 * User:Bluemoose/Uncategorised good articles
 * Categorization
 * Categorization/Categories and subcategories


 * Let me know if I can be of any help ... -- ProveIt (talk) 21:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for your help! Of most use has been the Special:Prefixindex page! -- SatyrTN 02:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I found something else that might be useful to you. As I'm sure you know, you can search on Google with "site:en.wikipedia.org" to find pages.  BUT you can also use "intitle:word" to find pages that have "word" in the URL.  So searching for site:en.wikipedia.org intitle:ProveIt categorist will return both your main page and your talk page. Enjoy! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that will be useful! -- 00:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I tagged that personaly I'm not sure why you left it no my bots talk page. Per review of the categey i felt i met  Deletion policy so i taged it. Betacommand 16:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

unblock
You seem to be editing ok now, so I guess it was a WP:AUTOBLOCK to remove such blocks we need to know the detail of the block. Thanks. --pgk( talk ) 14:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Categories for deletion
Regarding your nominations of the Eleanor Powell and Samuel L. Jackson films categories. Please cite the wikipolicy that prohibits these categories. Apparently some overriding category "Films by actor" is being cited but I am unfamiliar with such a category and probably would have voted to keep it if I was. In any event I cannot find the discussion on that particular CFD which apparently dates back to March or April. I'm curious how these two categories (one I created, the other I did not) has offended you so that I may repair at least the one I created. Thanks. (Please reply on my talk page. 23skidoo 18:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Your thoughts on WikiProject LGBT studies
When you've got a few minutes, I was wondering if you'd take a look at my ideas regarding increasing participation in WikiProject LGBT studies? Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty good to me. What I'm wondering is ... how did you know? -- ProveIt (talk) 02:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How did I know what? I asked because you'd made a change recently  on the WikiProject LGBT Studies page.  I just pulled the last 5 people that had made changes there and on the LGBT Noticeboard - I figured if they'd been active on those pages recently, they wouldn't mind me asking about this :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)

AR categories
Provelt, I deleted the animal rights activist category today, then saw it again and thought I hadn't deleted it, so I did it again. I'm explaining this because I don't want it to look as though I was edit warring with you; I just didn't realize. :-) The reason I deleted it is because it's more or less a duplicate of Category:Animal liberation movement. I'm trying to introduce some order into the animal liberation/rights categories as part of setting up WikiProject Animal rights. Perhaps we could discuss this further, if you want to, on that talk page. Sorry again for the confusion. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 16:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's totally fine, I was just cleaning up the uncategorized categories list. It seemed like a duplicate, and I was thinking of cfd'ing it myself, but then it seemed to be a reasonable subcat of Category:Activism by issue.  -- ProveIt (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Bartending equipment
just curious, why is the bartending equipement category now apart of th category of drinkware, I think I am missing something :S? Isn't that like saying a square is always a rectangle? Okay, example is a bit of a stretch but you hopfully you'll get what I mean.

thanks…

Pinothyj 03:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * To use your example, a category for squares would be a good subcat of the category for rectangles, so yes. Categories are themselves supposed to be categorized, and drinkware seemed to be a good place for it. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It also means that anyone browsing Category:Drinkware will find Category:Bartending equipment as a subcat. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * yeah but it doesn't really belong at all. it should be the other way around if anything.


 * hmm…


 * Pinothyj 10:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
For your linking to the previous CfD on sports people and religion. I have changed my vote accordingly as I agree with the precedent. --- Lid 02:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Categories for deletion
I noticed that of late you and I have been finding these old entries. Do you think it would make sense to create a maintence cat by month to automatically list these? Maybe by adding a Category:CfD yyyymm and then listing everything in there? Should be easy to add with the template. Vegaswikian 18:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That would probably make sense ... it seems that there are quite a few that never actually get listed. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Cfr tag
Suh-weet. I will use that always.--Mike Selinker 04:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

uncatted cats list?
Did it update? I didn't have much time to play with stuff yesterday when I got your message. I hadn't looked at the other item you mentioned, I'll try to look at it tonight. Syrthiss 19:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it finally did at 9:17 this morning. Thank you.  -- ProveIt (talk) 19:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Smoky Mountain Wrestling
This is still listed in CfD speedies. I think this is no longer needed if I understand the discussion. If so, can you remove the items. Otherwise they need to be moved down for discussion as an umbrella nomination. Vegaswikian 06:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * They were no longer needed, and I've renamed them. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Bass guitarists
Hello. I just wanted to know why you removed the bassist category from bass guitarists. It seems like that would be a sub-category, right? Or is the bassist category being turned into only string-bassists? --Amazzing5 18:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to empty the Category:Bassists category, with the members becoming double-bassists, bass guitarists, or sometimes both. The problem is that the term bassist is ambiguous.  It's fine as a title, but it doesn't actually uniquely identify what instrument they play, see the discussions of July 30th, August 7 and finally August 19th.  Although the CfD says the category should go away, I'd actually like for it to continue to exist as a Category:Disambiguation categories. If the category was actually removed, it would just get recreated the next day. I see you are a member of WP:Guitarists... Any chance of some help with this? -- ProveIt (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Categories
The categorization system is having growing pains. There seem to be several different view about what our category system should be; a way to browse, an index of articles, a classification system, and/or a database search tool. Each of these views leads editors to different conclusions about how categories should be populated, and many conflicts result. To deal with these problems, Rick Block and I have been working on a proposal to add the ability to create category intersections. We think our proposal will address these problems and add some very useful new features. We are asking editors and developers concerned with categorizaton problems to take a look. We'd appreciate your feedback. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 06:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know about this. I'll be thinking about it. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet categories at DRV
My apologies for the impersonal nature of this message, but since you participated in the recent Sockpuppets of Outoftuneviolin discussion, I thought you might like to know that the categories are now at Deletion Review. This is not a solicitation of a specific response, as all participating users were notified, but your input would be appreciated. Thanks! - EurekaLott 00:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Unsure of your deletion request
I am unsure why you recommended deletion of the Tuskegee Airmen, Inc. Chapters Sub Category. Could you provide additional information?
 * Sure, Category:Tuskegee Airmen, Inc. Chapters is an empty category, and as such, it ought to go, per the usual policy of removing unused categories. The text inside would make a fine list article on it's own, or it could be put back into the Tuskegee Airmen, Inc article. -- ProveIt (talk)

I moved the chapter names to Tuskegee Airmen, Inc. article. Concur with the deletion of the Category:Tuskegee Airmen, Inc. Chapters Category. -- Absolon (talk)

CfD nom without explanation
While I see from your talk page that you are active in categorization issues (for which I am grateful), please don't make CfD nominations without providing any reasoning, as you did with Category:Ongoing historical eras. Thanks! JesseW, the juggling janitor 01:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Speedy renaming criteria for Football league systems
Are you just changing the capitalization on Category:Football League Systems? If so that's cool, but what happens to my links? Please reply on my page. Nlsanand 02:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay cool, THanks. Yah I did mean the members. Nlsanand 02:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

"People from New Zealand" (and "from Turks and Caicos Islands") CfD
Hi Eric, Re the above, am I being stupid / (still) missing something obvious...? Thanks, David Kernow 03:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Category:People by nationality has it's own conventions, note we have Category:American people, and not Category:People from the United States. I'd like to make a redirect though, just becase People from New Zealand is a reasonable guess, and if we delete it, some well-meaning editor will create it again in a month or two, and a redirect will prevent the problem from happening again.  The naming conventions are somewhat arbitary, and we really can't expect casual users to know whether to use Mountains in Iran or Mountains of Iran.  With some good redirects, a reasonable guess will either just work, or failing that at least quickly lead you the right place. -- ProveIt (talk) 05:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Another thought ... People from Foo is for residency, not nationality. That may be part of the reason why nations are different. -- ProveIt (talk) 06:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Arrg, yes... These distinctions keep coming back to bite me! If only a consensus to use "from X" (or the like) for all were possible – or at least demonyms such as "New Zealanders", "Turks and Caicos Islanders" etc, rather than awkward constructs such as "New Zealand people" or "Turks and Caicos Islander people" (!). I'm surprised there wasn't/isn't consensus to use these, but maybe I've forgotten something... Meanwhile, thanks for amending the category tags and for your continued sterling work within the category jungle!  Best wishes, David 18:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Tripuris
reply on my talk page plz

I noticed you voted on the CfD dicussion for merging. The problem with merging into Category:People from Tripura (and subcat Category:Tripura cricketers) is that ethnic Tripuris are a minority (Tripura issues) in their own state (only 30% of people in/from Tripura are Tripuris, the rest are Bengalis). Then, well meaning users would put famous Bengalis from Tripura into the People from Tripura category, and it would dilute the importance of native Tripuris in their own ethnic homeland. I am not Tripuri or Bengali, so I have no emotional interest, I just feel that since Category:Bengali people and such exist, discriminatory merging policies should not shut out the little man/ethnic group. Thank you for your time.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed the wording. Thanks for the heads up.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for withdrawing it. When I create ethnic group cats, I will make sure to link to the ethnic group, instead of the geographic origin.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No it looks all in order. Thanks for reconsidering.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

CtD Vote
Your recent CfD vote has been commented on. I ask that you review your vote because the main point of your vote has been stricken from the argument. -- D e  mos  D  e  mon  08:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

My CfDs on September 9
Would you believe that I had all 3 of my nomnations edited since I posted them? One editor changed the fraternity one and another editor combined 2 others that I posted, but I think they should stay seperated. Have you ever had this happen? Should I relist them or just leave them as is and let the closing admins figure them out? --After Midnight 0001 17:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've had the combining thing happen many times, but usually I don't mind when it makes sense. The changing of a topic while a discussion was underway is a new one for me, and I wrote a somewhat nasty note about it, since it's tantamount to putting words in someone elses mouth.  I guess the best thing to do is to add a note that the edit history has to be carefully reviewed at closing time. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

CfD
Let us delete all of these lists by religion, then! (Let us keep only Fooish religious figures, say.) I'll focus on some of the Jewish ones - make sure to vote! Bellbird 14:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand. I said I would support an umbrella nomination to delete every single "Actors by religion" category. My opinion is that categorizing people by religion and occupation at the same time is usually more trouble than it's worth, except in cases where it can be shown to be relevent, such as for clergy, theologians, or politicians. However, I will continue to vote against any attempt to single out any particular religion for special treatment. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

ProveIt: I *have* nominated *every single* "Mathematician by religion" category for deletion. Nominating the super-category does that automatically. See the CfD page. Please reconsider your vote. Bellbird 16:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Proveit: Could you change your vote in the "Jewish mathematicians" category? I see you have voted delete under "Mathematicians by religion". Bellbird 16:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I will not. They all stay, or they all go. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi proveIt, I found proof from a reputable source of "Hindu mathematicians"

Bakaman Bakatalk 00:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You are certainly correct that some are known has "hindu mathematicians", however I never doubted that. What I'm wondering about is the value of having  a mathematitions by religion category at all.  I mean, is their religion relevent to their work? -- ProveIt (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Um...they can't all go because you're voting to keep them. In case you haven't realized, they're all getting nominated. ...And Beyond! 00:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * So you would support the Hindu mathematicians cat because its well sourced. Its only fair to have the umbrella cat. Also Bellbird and "....And Beyond" have been harrassing users for their votes way too much on the CfD.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If users paid more attention to why something was being nominated it wouldn't have to be clarified for them. ...And Beyond! 01:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Proveit
I just wanted to say thank you for helping clean up the new Byzantine Rite template and user category page I recently recreated. Many hands makes light work, thanks are in order for your assistance. If you do respond, please do so on my userpage. Your's is quite full and I'd imagine that I'd lose your comments in the sea of existing text. :-)--Saintlink 21:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians who are Sphenisciologists
Why would you put this under the category "Wikipedians by Birth". Is one actually born to be this? BTW, this category is for use in an userbox.--Bedford 23:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It looked to me like more penguins ... isn't one born a penguin? If not there, where should it go? Google has never heard of "Sphenisciologists" -- ProveIt (talk) 23:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Categories
Overnight you've changed a couple of articles I monitor, on Thames Ditton and Oundle. The changes seem to be simply a re-ordering of the categories. What does the new sequence achieve? Gavin Wilson 07:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It has to do with making them category leaders, for their respective categories. If you look at Category:Thames Ditton you will see that the article for Thames Ditton is is now sorted first and by itself, instead of amoung the Ts.  The other change is that the category now has parent categories and will not appear on the uncategorized categories list next time it refreshes.  Currently it's #147 on that list.  The most important change to the articles was in the pipe category sorting, making the eponynous cats list first at the bottom of the article was a secondary thing, I think it's an improvement but it doesn't matter so much. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the explanation. I will understand this more as I learn more about Wikipedia. Gavin Wilson 14:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Quasyboy
Nice to meet another Mighty Max fan. But I have to a have'nt seen the show in such a long time!!!!! Quasyboy 1:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, never heard of it before, although I might like it, really like Kim Possible. I just happened to watching the recent changes ... -- ProveIt (talk) 17:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess your right I did look out of place. Quasyboy 1:15, 15, September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Christian mathematicians
I'm a bit uncertain what your vote was on this, keep or delete? ...And Beyond! crossed out the keep vote, but I undid that as the user is being blocked as a sockpuppet and either way it's unclear to me if s/he was obeying your wishes. If you wish to cross out your keep statement I have absolutely no problem, but I felt like it should be your decision.--T. Anthony 00:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I sort of feel like a can of worms has been opened. My view is that either we categorize mathematicians by religion or we don't.  I'm fine either way.  What I don't want to see is keeping some religions and deleting others.  I don't think it's appropriate for us to be voting on which religions are "worthy" ... So, it should be keep all or keep none. I'm thinking it's more contentious than it's worth, so I'd like to see them all go.  But I'm also ok with them all staying.  So I voted delete on the umbrella nomination and keep on all the individual ones.  Hope this answers your question.  -- ProveIt (talk) 00:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikilinks to non-mainspace namespaces
Please don't use wikilinks to the Wikipedia namespace when editing articles. Many mirrors do not copy the Wikipedia, Talk, User, or User Talk namespaces, and it creates a broken link when viewed in the mirrors. While you can make wikilinks in talk, user talk, or user namespaces (for instance, WP:SELF, which I'm informing you of now), in mainspace it is strictly verboten. Captainktainer * Talk 00:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for letting me know ... I hadn't thought about the mirrors. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No biggie; with a project as huge as Wikipedia it's impossible to keep track of everything, even when you have disgustingly huge numbers of useful edits like you seem to have :-). I'm working on getting through a whole host of pages with the same issue right now. Captainktainer * Talk 00:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

"someday" is right
I don't think I know what, if anything, to do with the Babel system for languages. I'm not even sure who has to agree on it. What I do know is that the first nomination will surely fail.--Mike Selinker 02:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you're right. -- ProveIt (talk) 02:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Entertainers who performed for troops during the Vietnam War targeted for deletion
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Cfd Public Libraries in Massachusetts
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National Parks >>> National parks
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Category:Serbian and Montenegrin footballers
Hi ProveIt. I stumbled across Category:Serbian and Montenegrin footballers, which you previously nominated for deletion. The result, as you know, was keep and split. I have emptied it, and have renominated it. I expect you'd notice it yourself, but just in case, I'm mentioning it here. (On a completely unrelated note, I just realized that your username was ProveIt; I had always though it was Provelt, with an L!) Picaroon9288 22:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Arrgh, sorry about that. Picaroon9288 22:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you for letting me know about it, sounds like a good thing... Oh and Prove It was actually a quote from Dean Edell, who happened to be on the radio when I was trying to think of a nice username that wasn't already taken. I just removed the space.  -- ProveIt (talk) 23:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Miscellaneous Vancouver articles
Please read the project's talk page. You have unintentionally caused damage to the project by nominating it for CfD. -- Selmo  (talk) 20:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Ancestors of President Bush
I wasn't quite sure whether this new cat needed to remain, given the existing family cat (I've edited a number of those articles). I know you from CFD and I'm assuming your edit means you have no specific objection. I did think it odd that it's named "of President Bush" and then is non-specific about which one ... I thought that was secondary to my mulling over its mere existence, though! Thoughts? --Dhartung | Talk 06:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Funny I was thinking about that earlier this evening, whether ancestors count as family or not. Of couse they do, but it's a question of how far back one wants to go.  I had pretty much decided to cfm it, but got distracted by Actresses and Category:American Egyptologists.

My nightmare over Punjabi Indians
Sorry I messed up that Punjabi Indian Film Actors CFDS of yours - my brain must have stopped working temporarily. Either that or I'm trying to do too many things at once and losing track! Thanks for kindly AGF-ing and not rubbing my nose in it :-) --RobertG &#9836; talk 16:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it, I make mistakes too. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Ta
Thanks for this edit,, you know your way round the cats better than me these days. Steve block Talk 00:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Women
Based on several nominations in CfD, I think that this category needs cleaning up, at the very least.

Suggestions:
 * Category:Women should eventually just be a listing of people.
 * Women's issues/topics for discussion (such as category:Feminism or Category:Women's rights) should be sub-categorised (this is a college coursework classification).
 * Female mammalian biology entries should be subcategorised to Category:Female reproductive system, if they aren't already (most seem to be).
 * Women peerage/royalty/etc are should be subcategorised to Category:British people by rank, if they aren't already (most seem to be).
 * Any "Women " (by, in, on, with, etc) that is better served as "People by" should be nominated for merging.
 * Any "actress" categories should be nominated for merging to "actor". - I am on the fence about this one. On one hand, I don't know if perhaps it would be a better idea to split all actor categories by gender. (The oscars do, for example) On the other hand, this would be an artifical split, especially in the cases of the Film/Television cast lists. AFAIK, the credits don't list by gender.

Anyway, what do you think? (Watching here for a response : ) - jc37 22:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, as far as the actresses, wikipedia policy is against gender based cats whenever possible. I think this is a good idea, just in terms of usability, since otherwise the already huge number of actor cats would have to be doubled.  As for the rest of it, I haven't thought much about it.  I'm not against having gendered categories per se ... when there is good reason.  For example, in sports, the men and women compete in different events, so it makes sense then. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * While I agree with you, be prepared for those who say that actors and actresses "compete" for different awards. - jc37 23:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been looking at Category:Women and agree it's somewhat of a mess. However I don't think I agree with you about removing all the subcats ... if I'm understanding right.  Currently there aren't any actual women in it, nor are there men in the Category:Men. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting (at this time) the removal of all the subcats. For example:
 * Female mammalian biology entries should be subcategorised to Category:Female reproductive system, if they aren't already (most seem to be).
 * So Category:Female reproductive system stays as a sub-cat of Category:Women, but the rest are removed because they are a subcat of a subcat. - jc37 23:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * As for no actual women, there are quite a few, especially under the various sub-categories. And for Category:Men: Theo Jörgensmann, Marcin Oles, Peter Oswald, et al, may disagree with you : ) - jc37 23:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Merging Stampede Wrestling Alumni Page
Alumni pages and roster pages are not to be merged. Having people like Chris Benoit, Harley Race, Carlos Colon, Dory Funk JR., etc. on the roster page is redundant as they are no longer with the promotion. I don't think you understand the purpose of an alumni page or you wouldn't have put up a merge tag. Just reply to my talk page. Mr. C.C. 00:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just put it up for re-naming, but I still think alumni sounds better then former. Former sounds so ugggh!  Reply.  Mr. C.C. 21:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

your category removal...
Just a thought ('cause I know categories are your thing so I'm not going to get into an edit war with you over it), but you removed Quiznos from Category:Restaurants, yet left such strange categories up such as :


 * Category:Food companies of the United States
 * Category:Fast-food chains of the United Kingdom
 * Category:Fast-food chains of Canada

Just wondering your reasoning. The first Quiznos was in Denver. The first franchised Quiznos was in Boulder. Most of the early stores were in Colorado. Many people in Colorado think of Quiznos as being "of Colorado." (I'm not from Colorado, but have lived here long enough to see that). Just asking out of respect, set me straight if I am wrong, but seems like the category I put it in is more appropriate than any of the ones above(and honestly, it does seem to be in too many categories). Jcam 21:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, I guess Subway isn't in "Restaurants of Connecticut" and Burger King isn't in "Restaurants of Florida," so maybe I'm looking at this in the wrong way. Jcam 21:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant "Restaurants in Colorado" Jcam 21:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My reasoning is that it's now become a big chain restaurant, with stores all over. We have them here in California too.  So, yeah the company is based in colorado, but it isn't really of colorado any more. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course, there are absolutely no Jack-in-the-Boxes, Chevy's, In-and-Out Burgers, Panda Expresses outside of California. And Taco Bell ? IHOP ? Never heard of 'em. ;) Jcam 21:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Gotta give you props, though. You have good taste in music. Jethro Tull is one of my favorite bands ever. After 70's Genesis and Camel. Jcam 21:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry ... I didn't notice the phrase originating in ... my mistake. I've reverted my change.  Yeah I'm a big Tull fan, I got started with The Secret Language of Birds and went on from there. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanx
A civil conversation on wikipedia ? No way !!! I hope to see you around... Jcam 21:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC) 

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category:Native speakers of Urdu
Per your comment from a while back, I just nominated this to merge with category:User ur-N on CFDU.--Mike Selinker 22:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like the right thing to do, at least for now. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

assessment system for wikiproject Ethipia
Hi,

Y'all forgot to make Category:Ethiopia articles with comments. Since there were so many links to /Comment pages on your banner, I made it for you. Please check the category (I only added one; may need others) to see if it fits with your scheme.

Later --Ling.Nut 04:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Whooops! Y'all also forgot to make the following (you should double-check to see if I got them all):
 * Ethiopia articles needing attention
 * Ethiopia articles needing infoboxes
 * Disambig-Class Ethiopia articles
 * Template-Class Ethiopia articles
 * Category-Class Ethiopia articles
 * Later --Ling.Nut 05:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me ... those others aren't needed by assesment in general, but some projects use them. I'm not really affiliated with the project, I just and categorized some of the missing parts, such as Category:WikiProject Ethiopia, Category:WikiProject Ethiopia articles.  Many of the subcats were already existing and sitting in the uncategorized categories list.  -- ProveIt (talk) 13:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't clear. What I meant was, there is already code in the banner template of that WikiProject which links to those six categories, but those categories were never made. That means that if any contributor selected the correct options, the categories would show as redlinks on that page. However, I made the Comments category last night, and the other 5 just now, even tho I too am not a member of that Project... Those categories may never get used, but having them is better than confusing the user by generating redlinks. The person who created the system either intended to have those categories, or did not examine the syntax of the banner template closely.
 * By the way.. just as a suggestion.. your Talk page is really long...do you think it's about time to archive it... ;-)--Ling.Nut 13:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I see what you mean ... well, I'm pretty sure those are supposed to be categories ... you've created articles. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * D'oh! How embarrassing! Will fix..--Ling.Nut 13:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree my talk page is getting too big, I'll figure out how to archive it today... -- ProveIt (talk) 13:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Archiving is easy; see WP:Archive.
 * See ya 'round! --Ling.Nut 14:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PS I would copy any Barnstars to my user page, so they won't "disappear" when you archive....--Ling.Nut 14:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)