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In December you received a message about either "Nomination for deletion" or "Proposed deletion" of an article you created. I'd like to ask you a few quick questions: You can feel free to answer on my talk page or send me your response by email (mpinchuk@undefinedwikimedia.org). (I won't quote you or link your answers to your username if you don't feel comfortable with that.) Your feedback is incredibly useful for improving the content of deletion notifications, so please take a minute to think about and answer these questions. Thank you! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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It’s a difficult one, I think the failure of the authorities to take action makes the case notable, other Wikipedians disagree with me. Other issues concern me more, why for example can the Roman Catholic Church prevent Criticism of Mother Teresa being longer? There is well documented evidence this so-called saint was either grossly misguided or a hypocrite, see
 * Why Mother Teresa Was Evil Proxima Centauri (talk) 09:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I've managed, I don't need help. Proxima Centauri (talk) 12:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

A statement
I have learned for myself that your beliefs are not true. May Mother Teresa be blessed of God forever... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.115.132 (talk) 06:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

You assume any opposition to religion has to be Satannic deception, readers can judge how reasonable you are. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Atheism
I removed your link to Phil Zuckerman in Atheism as the article does not exist. The article should be written before the link is made. Ref: wp:wtaf. Isn't hanging around atheism articles satanic too? :) Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 02:51, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I plan to write the article, I've started a draft at User:Proxima Centauri/Phil Zuckerman. Proxima Centauri (talk) 03:09, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have been informed that I should not have removed that red link .  My apology!  I copied the content from Talk:Phil Zuckerman to my user sandbox User:Jim1138/Phil Zuckerman for your use in case it disappears in the meantime.  You might be able to get an admin to undelete or put a copy of the former content of Phil Zuckerman in one of your sandboxes.
 * I too had started on this - unlikely to be able to finish soon, so I have taken the liberty of copying what I had into your draft. Hope that's OK. Mcewan (talk) 08:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pleased you're also working on this, I'm very busy on other websites at the moment, and I need sometime offline. I don't know how long it will be before I can do much more but between us we should get things done in time. Proxima Centauri (talk) 10:18, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Maarten Boudry


A tag has been placed on Maarten Boudry requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Contested deletion
(copied from deleted talk page, to serve as an explanation)

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (your reason here) --Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Dutch Wikipedia thinks he merits an article and I think he's at least as important as Jack Sheffield who has an article. Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I planned to summarise "How Convenient! The Epistemic Rationale of Self-validating Belief Systems", then check for other works that Boudry authored. I feel "The Epistemic Rationale of Self-validating Belief Systems" is interesting and would add to Wikipedia. As it is I won't put more work into the article unless I'm sure my work won't be deleted. Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * What other Wikipedias see fit to include is completely irrelevant to the English Wikipedia. All those other Wikipedias are independent. Here, we have widely accepted and rigorous criteria for inclusion. See Notability (people) for more information.


 * Generally speaking, Boudry's own writings would not confer notability for the purpose of meriting an article here, unless those writings have been reviewed in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources.


 * On the chance such sources exist, if you wish, I can restore it to your own user space so you can work on it at your leisure without worrying about deletion, and then move it to main space when you are satisfied that it meets the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines. ~Amatulić (talk) 02:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Maarten Boudry
I'd appreciate a copy of the deleted page on my talk page so I can work on it elsewhere. Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi PC,
 * We usually place this type of content in a Sandbox, rather than cluttering up a user's talk page with articles. However, per your request, I have copied the deleted article below. The article can be re-created when it meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester  14:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Dr Maarten Boudry of the University of Ghent studies the philosophy of science. His interests include, Philosophy of Pseudoscience, Evolutionary theory, Naturalized Epistemology, Irrationality, Skepticism

Boudry supports "The Moral Brain" an interdisciplinary group of Dutch and Belgian researchers who study what makes humans act morally or immorally and what moral judgements involve. This is done paying attention to neuroscience and evolution.

Tenacity of weird beliefs
Boudrey maintains that weird and implausible beliefs are particularly hard to shake off. Those who believe in UFO's, bogus medicine, communication with the dead and the like refuse to change their beliefs in the face of reasonable evidence that may be considered compelling.

October 2012
Please refrain from making test edits in Wikipedia pages, such as those you made to Religion, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Thank you. ''While edits don't always come out perfect on the first try and large edits may need implementation in stages, you were clearly developing and refining your thoughts on the article. Sandboxing and off-line development are the proper ways to do this.'' — Sowlos (talk) 11:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It wasn't a test edit and it wasn't intentional. Someone else edited while I was editing, I tried to keep my edit and also take account of the other person's edit, somehow during this a section got duplicated.  The duplicated section was right at the bottom of the page and easily overlooked, therefore I didn't notice it till someone else reverted it.  I rarely do things like that but mistakes can't always be avoided.


 * Most of my edits were constructive and stayed in the article. Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No one said your edits were off topic. Criticism of religion is relevant to the article's scope. Unfortunately, a peril of wikis is any editor may change an article in between your own edits. That is why it's best to work out what you want to say in advance when adding an entire section. As I said, doing so in stages is fine, but each edit should still be in a mostly presentation ready state. This is especially true with high visibility articles and this is why your edits were reversed. Intentionally or not, you were clearly working through multiple drafts of your contribution on the article rather than only submitting the end result of your process. This is simply to let you know what happened, so you can hopefully avoid it in the future. — Sowlos (talk) 16:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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On sources and wording
Hi, in reply to your question about editing The Courtier's Reply, here are my thoughts: the issue seems to be primarily one of pasting in wording rather than conveying the meaning in your own words: not always easy, but to avoid WP:Plagiarism we have to find our own wording, while citing our source and faithfully conveying the meaning of the source. I find it easier to work in a text editor and paste my altered wording in rather than pasting the original in before modifying it, which seems a bit questionable. There also seems to be an argument about quality of sources: see WP:V and WP:RS. A wiki is generally regarded as lacking editorial control, and hence selfpublished and so unsuitable. If in doubt about a source, it's best to have a look for the source in WP:RSN using the search function. RationalWiki seems to have been dismissed in 2007, with good reasoning by Blueboar who is very knowledgeable about assessing sources. It as also mentioned recently but less conclusively. So, my advice is to have a look at the sources cited by RationalWiki and base your wording on them, taking care to put it in your own words and not paste in phrases unless you're actually quoting someone in "quote marks". It's then important to WP:CITE those sources, ideally using a template. Citation template generator is an easy way of generating citations, which usually helps a lot. Afraid I'm short of time and brain power to go into this more deeply just now, hope that's a start. Yours,. . dave souza, talk 21:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * No prob. For future reference, keep WP:USERG in doubt when coming across material sourced to imdb, personal blogs, wikis, etc. Since Rational Wiki is a wiki, going to RSN isn't even necessary. Nightscream (talk) 15:32, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you, I hope I deserve it. Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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2013 Savar building collapse
Hi Proxima Centauri,

Thank you for editing 2013 Savar building collapse. I realised you made big edits without details. Could you please next time add your reasons so that all editors can follow the changes better?

Cheers, New worl (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Which edits of mine concern you? Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a problematic edit as it relates to two different living people but it relies on tabloid sourcing in contravention of WP:BLPSOURCES. Please be more careful in the future. --John (talk) 18:45, 1 June 2013 (UTC)