User talk:Prozookeeper

I am very happy to be apart of the Winkpedia community. Over the years I have watched it grow and become a very valuable tool in the research communities, as well as others. I myself have been able to use such information on numerous animal-care and wildlife related topics, and I look forward in contributing to Winkpedia further.

Prozookeeper (talk) 15:59, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

October 2015
Your addition to White tiger has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. McGeddon (talk) 16:25, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to White tiger. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. McGeddon (talk) 16:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Request
Thank you for the update McGeddon. As a new user, would you be so kind as to point out which links you are claiming as spam, etc, or otherwise.


 * It was allaboutwhitetigers.com, which doesn't seem reliable as a source or appropriate (per WP:ELNO: "Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority.") an external link. --McGeddon (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. As I was reading through that website, most, if not all the items it claims is referenced by outside and unrelated links. I will be more than happy to redo the edits, and will use another substitute. Please let me know if there or other links that you do not favor.

As far as the photo, I have actually purchased that with a commercial license from Adobe Stock, but I see that photo is also all over the Internet. Could you please advise the correct way to allow purchased photos to be used? I did a large research paper for college this year, and my Professor liked the hard-cites that I located and suggested I search Wikipedia, and contribute. Thanks again for your help with us New-Biees.

Oh, one quick thing...should the allaboutwhitetigers.com references that point to a site that does provide a unique resource beyond what the link states be allowed?

Updated
Hi McGeddon, I believe I got it updated in a better reference cite now. I removed all but one on the allaboutwhitetigers.com site. I contacted them about their research and how it was done, and here is what they returned:

''"Thank you for contacting us. Allaboutwhitetigers.com is the end result of actual zoological professionals, with decades of experience with these magnificent  animals and still working with them in today’s zoos.

''The AZA White Tiger Inventory is a program that we personally conducted by contacting (by telephone) all 218 AZA accredited zoo’s each December every 24 months. Where permitted by law, (in most states) the telephone survey was recorded as a back up verification.''

As for our permission you have permission to share and use the information on our website as long as your source is disclosed.

We hope this helps and thanks again for contacting us.

Editing Staff - AllAboutWhiteTigers.com

I can also post if needed the actual email, (in graphic, text or other) if you think that will help. Thanks again for all your help and guidance. Thanks to you I am learning.


 * Wikipedia generally shies away from using self-published sources. If allaboutwhitetigers.com says something that no other websites do and if it's possible to confirm that the content in question was written by "actual zoological professionals, with decades of experience", then Wikipedia could use it, but in most cases we should be able to find other, stronger sources. --McGeddon (talk) 12:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

NPOV edits, WP:SYNTH
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you may be blocked from editing. OhNo itsJamie Talk 17:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I am sorry, I am not understanding your comment. I am researching and all my topics have 2nd and 3rd points of reference.  I completed a paper for school, and my Professor suggested that I research and contribute on Wikipedia as well.  Which points do you believe to be abusive?
 * The problem is that your writing sounds like an argument school paper, rather than an encyclopedia. One example: "Just think of all the programs this one, single white tiger was able to provide this zoo with, and the tools needed for today's zoo management and conservation programs." This clearly violates WP:NPOV. Please also read WP:SYNTH.  OhNo itsJamie  Talk 19:01, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. I understand what your saying, and good point. Can you make some other suggestions that I can edit? Thanks again for your help, as I am still learning with this.
 * You used about 5,000 letters (including refs) in an attempt to make a point that could've been adequately and succinctly covered in about two sentences; that white tigers attract visitors and their money to zoos that can be used in conservation efforts. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ohnoitsjamie. Do you think that I should list the three examples which detail the conservation revenue and efforts the animal has supported, just as the editor in the “In popular culture” section did? I was trying to stick to that format which was accepted, i.e. they listed a vast amount of games and books the white tiger has played a large role in, using about 2,300 letters, rather than just saying, “white tigers are used widely in popular game formats, etc”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prozookeeper (talk • contribs) 23:26, 20 October 2015‎
 * Trivia sections (i.e., what games a white tiger is featured in) are discouraged, per WP:TRIVIA because they end up making Wikipedia look pretty dumb. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Sadly the white tiger article hasn't been written particularly well and could still use a lot of work. If you want an example of the kind of style and quality that Wikipedia articles aspire to, check out any "good article" or "featured article". The main tiger article is a good article, and a much better example of what we should all be working towards. --McGeddon (talk) 22:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you McGeddon ! I greatly appreciate your guidance! I truly what to become a good contributor on all topics I get involved in, this just happened to be my first one.