User talk:Prsgoddess187/Archive 1

Princess Alexandra naming
Hey,

Thanks for backing me up with the naming of Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg. And I completely agree with you on the British royal articles. They are all titled horrible. Especially the female ones. One change that I would like to propose is making married royal peers such as Sophie as Sophie, The Countess of Wessex, and to keep divorced royals such as Sarah, Duchess of York where they are. I think that another solution could be to style the current holder of the title as The Duchess of Cornwall, and past ones at name, Duchess of Cornwall. And to do the same with others such as moving Charles, Prince of Wales to The Prince of Wales etc. I also have an obsession with royals so hopefully we can fix this problem. Let me know how you feel about this. Mac Domhnaill 20:08, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey Annamarie,

Now that we both agree and its probably only just the two of us that do, we should try to find other people that do agree with us and try to fix the problem. The only other who I ever found that agreed with my was User:Jtdirl, he helped to solve the war over use of HRH and other styles. Unfortunately he was so overwhelmed with vandals and trolls that he left. I feel that at this point it would be good to get an administrator involved and protect the pages from moving until we can come to an agreement to avoid another edit war. Talk to you soon. Mac Domhnaill 01:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I also have also only been with Wikipedia for several months, I think although it may take a while the best place to start would probably be to bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles), and also in the meantime try to have the Princess Alexandra page blocked from editing to prevent edit wars. I am not exactly sure how to do this but I believe it can be found in the help section somewhere. I am going to go to bed now, Where are you located so I could find the best times to communicate. Thanks. Mac Domhnaill 02:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, im located in central New Jersey, so we're in the same time zone. Although I have school during the day and usually dont get on to Wikipedia until late after noon. Good night. Mac Domhnaill 02:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Annamarie,

I recently made this post on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles).

We have recently encountered a problem with the naming of Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg. Someone who was not very knowledgeable moved the article from its correct location at Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg to the very incorrect and not correct in one way, Countess Alexandra of Frederiksborg, whoever did this also created a mess of disambiguations. Please me and User:Prsgoddess187, would like to fix this and would also like to change the way many of the British Royals are titled. For more information visit my talk page or that of Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg, With your help we can fix this problem. I would also like the help of an administrator to help lock Pss. Alexandra's page to avoid a messy edit war. Thanks so much. Mac Domhnaill 00:09, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Feel free to make another post there, or anywhere you find suitable. I figured since it was more visable there we might be able to atract more attention. Hope to talk to you soon. Mac Domhnaill 00:11, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Annamarie It seems that the period of voting on the location of the article has ended and we won! However, I tried to move the article but there is a nasty mess of disambiguations that I do not know how to fix. If you know how to or know someone who could, that would be great. Now all we have to do is try to fix the British Royals. Thanks Mac Domhnaill 23:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, which Dutch page is titled wrong, I didn't notice. And I think that we should try to get some of those British pages changed. How do you think we should try to title them? Mac Domhnaill 23:32, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I'm surprised you noticed the Princess of Orange error. I was aware the title was only for the heir and not his wife, but had never picked up on the page. Good work. Mac Domhnaill 00:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg
Thanks for your note. It seemed pretty clear that there was consensus, so I've moved it. Deb 21:50, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Yup. Members of the current generation of royals don't get the royal house template, so delete them all. And reinsert all styles boxes deleted. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 19:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

This is nutty having to do this after a hard day's work!!! BTW there is a flaw with some of the Swedish templates. The commands aren't right so you may need to check them against the ones before his edits. The corrections you made aren't correcting the error so the template is still wonky. Oh this is so much fun *yawn*!!! FearÉIREANN \(caint) 20:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

If he tries I'll strangle him!!! (Actually I'll simply report him to the admin incidents page. FearÉIREANN \(caint)  20:38, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. I've also removed the His/Her Majesty /His/Her Royal Highness stuff too. One article had to be seen to be believed. 19 "His Royal Highness thinks . . . " and endless ''Their Royal Highnesses. . . " It was cringingly awful, so bad it was almost funny. Even royalty aren't that into styles. FearÉIREANN \(caint)  20:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Seeing how much damage a genuine user can do when he makes changes without knowing the rules simply reminds us again of how easy it is for a vandal (and this guy isn't a vandal, just misguided) to devastate large numbers of articles. This here is easy(ish) to fix. Imagine if he had been adding in made-up facts and skillfully-hid vandalism. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 21:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

They see Wikipedia as a game, unfortunately. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 21:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Excellent work. I love it. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 21:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

your comments
hello there, sorry i couldn't help seeing the comments you left on User talk:Jtdirl page about the Liechtensteins. i never even noticed that there were so many? yes, the ones that only have a christian name definetly need to be moved to articles with their titles attached to them, i agree with you there. with kind regards Gryffindor  21:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you new here? well first of all welcome. don't forget when moving to check on all the redirects and the articles that are connected otherwise we have a huge redirecting mess in the end. if you need any help or further assistance let me know, always willing to help. Gryffindor  21:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * ok just checked how you are renaming them, that looks perfect, good job. Gryffindor  21:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * uh oh, problem. i was afraid this was going to happen. hm, normally also redirects (the simple redirects) should be kept to a minimum as much as possible as well. For example, take Joseph Wenzel Maximilian Maria which is now Prince Joseph Wenzel of Liechtenstein. so far so good. but, if i look under links i find that all articles list the first version, but none the new version. which means it is necessary to go into each article listed and put the new name in . do you see what i mean? Gryffindor  21:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I hope you know what I mean? In Wikipedia it's called "fixing the links", can be very tedious work I know, but it's best that way. Ok, I trust you will do everything correct, again if you are not sure about something, feel free to contact, more than welcome :-) cheers Gryffindor  21:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, looks nice. Ok, the problem is with the naming of the article in general, but that's another topic. the Emperor is not referred to with his personal name in Japan. he is simply known as "His Majesty the Emperor" (in japanese tenno-heika). Therefore I would suggest to rename the italics part simply as "Styles of the Emperor of Japan". this saves you the trouble on top of that of creating new boxes for the rest. also, i think the totally official style would be simply "His Majesty". i recommend you check the homepage of the Kunaicho for further referrences. Gryffindor  17:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Royal articles
Hey good work recently on the various royal articles you have been editing! Keep up the good work!. Astrotrain 17:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza
Good morrow to you too,

well it's very simple, you just add your name to the list. or if you want, i hereby invite you to join esperanza :-) take a look here maybe Esperanza/Charter. since you fullfill the preliminary conditions to enter there shouldn't be a problem. you can add yourself here Esperanza/Members. enjoy... Gryffindor  13:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC) ps: good job with the style boxes, looking good. if you want, we need some help also with categorising everyone in the right space, for example french nobles, german, etc...

Thanks :)
I'd just like to say thanks for leaving that message for me, it was very appreciated. It's people like you that make wiki extra enjoyable... Sotakeit 14:09, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Greek royals
I've reverted the changes made to the Greek Royal articles, back to having the Greek Royal Family template. I'll leave a message to the other user, so hopefully he won't change back. Astrotrain 16:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I've done a blanket revert on his changes. (Some of them probably were OK but after spending hours correcting his changes the last time I am no longer in the mood to check each individual change to try to find the odd OK one. I am also leaving a message on his talk page. If he does it again, do a blanket revert and give him a higher level warning from WP:TT. Eventually he should get the message. *sigh* Take care.  FearÉIREANN \(caint)  19:09, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, well spotted on the Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece article. I found Adam's behaviour astonishing. It is normally very competent on history but obviously his understanding of royal naming formulæ is weak but his POV is strong. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume that he simply lost it for a moment. It is bad enough dealing with POV vandals without POV senior editors mucking around on topics they obviously know little of. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 00:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought you had unbalanced the parentheses. In fact you hadn't, but you removed the one I wouldn't have. I'll balance them again. If you don't like the around the second version of his name (and who does?) we could make it a "also known as" comma clause. - Nunh-huh 15:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Greek styles
Yup. All HRHs, HMs need to be removed. I'll create a template for them. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 21:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I've created.

Esperanza elections
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RFA
I'd like to thank yet another unfamiliar name for supporting me in my recent bid for adminship, which passed 64-2. &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  07:24, Dec. 17, 2005

malo's RfA
Prsgoddess187, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 05:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Florida
I noticed from Category:Wikipedians in Florida that you are a floridian and I have created a state wikiproject, WikiProject Florida. So far is it very small but it could be expanded later. Join it if you want and help set tasks etc. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 04:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Irish people peer review?
The additions and editions made on this page even within recent weeks - especily photos - has vastly improved it, to the better I think. Would you support it being submitted for a peer review, and help tidy it up/add some more? Fergananim 14:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

A vote has been called to rename Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia to Aleksandar Karađorđević. The renamers have at least stopped constant unilateral renaming (at last!). Please come, express your opinion and vote. Slán. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 21:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

You might be interested in a debate going on at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies). FearÉIREANN \(caint) 22:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi mate,

You may remember the war on styles that was waged some time ago and the eventual compromise reached which meant that styles (Holiness, Majesty, Royal Highness, etc) are no longer used in royalty articles. A series of templates were created to enable users to warn other users who attempt to reinsert styles into articles that that is no longer WP policy. However a user who is trying to get a whole series of templates deleted has nominated them on the WP:TFD for deletion. I am thoroughly fed up having to defend necessary templates from the minority of deletion police on WP who seem to act as a group: one nominates, then the rest all vote to agree with them. All help to defend the necessary templates in the styles series gratefully received. Thanks. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 19:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)