User talk:Psmcguin

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Dear Editor,

If this is the case why then have you permitted the following links on the the site

INVE$TFOLIO OpenAir Innotas iplanenterprise WorkLenz inventx Project.net TrackerSuite.Net - Web based PPM system Tracker Suite - Lotus Notes based PPM system

These are all PPM software vendors with links back to their sites advertising their products.

Would you not agree

psmcguin — Psmcguin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * The nature of Wikipedia means that you can't make a convincing argument based on what other links in articles do or don't exist; because there's nothing stopping anyone from adding any link to any article. Plenty of links exist that probably shouldn't, conversly many links don't exist that probably should. So just pointing out that a link exists in an article doesn't prove that the link in question should also exist. Your contributions to wikipedia  consist mainly of adding external links and is considered  WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, all seem to be atlantic-ec.com related only. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm. If you have a source to contribute, first contribute some facts that you learned from that source, then cite the source. Don't simply direct readers to atlantic-ec.com for the useful facts; add useful facts to the article, then cite the site where you found them. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to funnel readers off Wikipedia and onto atlantic-ec.com, right? --Hu12 15:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

That is a very poor response. You clearly do not conform to your own rules. Reading the response you are saying "some spam is acceptable because I can't be bothered to managing it" is that the case, please tell me it is not. Within the section I have asked to have link to our PPM software there are 9 other links that point to PPM software vendor sites and they just funnel readers to their sites. Going by your rules they should not be there. For example Innotas is PPM sofware vendor that redirects to the Innotas web site promoting Innotas PPM software products. Tell me what is the difference with what I have requested. I’m having difficultly understanding why you have already allowed 9 other links that are effectively spam links. Also I have added facts to the article I'm the author of one of the books cited with the reference area i.e Philip McGuin co-author of a book on portfolio management. Poor management like this does a disservice to Wikipedia. Tell me you have actually looked at the page and thought about what is on there. — Psmcguin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Those may need to go, too. The fact that we haven't gotten around to it, yet, does not mean that we have some obligation to have your site. Neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia, Unfortunately the External links policy on Advertising and conflicts of interest states You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked, which is in line with the conflict of interest guidelines.--Hu12 02:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I have no issues with want you outlined above and thanks for the removing the other links and applying the rules fairly.