User talk:Psubhashish/Archives/2015/October

Regarding insertion of Telugu Spelling in Rayagada and other places in southern Odisha
Hey Subhashish, I had added Telugu spelling in the pages of Rayagada and other places in southern Odisha. I will tell you the reason for it. This region used to be the part of medival kalinga region which was ruled by suryavamsi kings of gajapati kingdom. From ancient times this region was home to a number of dravidian tribal groups like kui, konda, kuvi etc. The arrival of proto indo-aryan speaking aryans made this dravidian speaking groups move towards south including the present day regions of chattisgarh, orissa and jharkhand. After the permanent settlement of aryans in the north & dravidians in the south including the present day chattisgarh, orissa and jharkhand, an aryan tribe called andhra moved towards south and settled in the delta region godavari-krishna basin and mixed up with dravidian tribes in there.At the same time a large number of aryans settled on the delta of Mahanadi(whose language was the origin of present day modern Odia language) At that time kalinga and andhra are the words just synonymous to each other. A British linguist said that a major language like telugu cannot form from a single tribe. He had researched on a number of central dravidian languages like gond, kui, kondh including telugu and stated that telugu was formed by the combination of many central dravidian languages which were used to be spoken in ancient times but the central dravidian languages in the hilly regions of jharkhand, chattisgarh and some parts of orissa remained less affected by the other languages. After the gajapathi kingdom, southern part of kalinga came to control of vijayanagara kingdom, nizam of hyderabad and finally under the brtish by the transfer of northern circars from nizam dominion and was made as the part of madras pesidency. Telugu used to be the official language of this region at that time and all the official documents and notices were used to be in telugu and english. The early theatres in berhampur used to play telugu mookies(ex:- Sri sitaram vilas is the first movie theatre in this region). In the year 1936, some districts of this region were included in the newly formed province orissa which was formed after a great movemement by odia people. British not only included the odia speaking regions but also other kalinga dialect telugu speaking and tribal regions in orissa just for their administrative convenience bcoz madras city is far away from this region. After independence, in 1956 states are reorganised on linguistic lines but at this time orissa state was untouched. Thus orissa became the only state whose borders were not changed since independence.

I am from Makkuva, Vizianagaram disrict the village on AOB(Andhra Orissa Border). My mother born in Singapuram, Rayagada district. She completed her schooling in the telugu medium schools of Rayagada. Every time we get holidays in my childhood, I used to go to Rayagada. The name board of railway station in the rayagada is in 4 languages including telugu. Every where you go, you will find bilingual sign boards in Oriya and Telugu. Every time I go out, I can survive just by speaking telugu. Here the the number of people who speak telugu as mother tongue are more than the number of people who speak odia as mother tongue.

After Independence, Government of Orissa never did anything for the central-dravidian tribal languages and kalinga dialect of telugu spoken in here and just promoted oriya language. This had thrown the languages like kui to the danger of extinction. Even orissa governement had never supported any research on these languages. Contrarily some researchers in Telangana and AP made researches on Gond, kui and several other central dravidian languages and strived to make them written languages. Some British linguists had researched on the languages spoken in this region and those were the last extensive researches on languages in this region and after independence, orissa government did not do anything for these languages and let them to extinction. Final thing I want to say is that Telugu in this region is not a mere recent phenomenon, Telugu speakers in this region are living here for generations. -- User:Sri Harsha Bhogi

Note :- I have written this here not just by my belief, its written after a lot of research. Harsha 18:24, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I respect your research but Wikipedia has its own policies. You cannot let your own primary research flow into every Wikipedia article until you have them published in a journal or some place authentic. I would not agree with many of your Aryan-Dravid argument. Like there is a significant Telugu population in Odisha, there is also a significant Odia speaking population in lot many places in Andhra and Telengana. Please add the Odia names for those places. I could help in this as well. :) --Psubhashish (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Excuse me, the research what I did is the research of published books and journals along with my original research. The policy of wikipedia does accept the internationally recognized published sources on which I had researched. Get to know the census statistics that telugu is the 2nd most natively spoken language in odisha with native telugu speakers exceeding the number of native odia speakers far more in the southern districts of orissa except ganjam district. Native Telugu speakers in this region of odisha have been significantly the part of this region for many centuries but most of the odia speakers in ap and telangana are just the recent arrival which cannot be taken into account of the culture of the regions in ap and telungana. Morever these recently arrived people only stay in cities and major towns of of ap & telungana but telugu has been so deep in the southern districts of orissa that it is widely spoken and understood for communication even in the rural areas and population of native odia speakers in the rural areas of this region is almost zero. Except some of the native odia speakers, everyone is able to converse in telugu in these districts and everywhere you can find sign boards, posters and advertisements in both odia and telugu. Google out the pictures of places in rayagada like rayagada railway station and majjigauramma temple. Telugu movies are the most popular in this region that orissa government has ruled that atleast one odia movie should be screened in the theaters for every 4 weeks to promote odia films. Contrarily till today there hasn't been a single odia film screened in the theatres of andhra pradesh. Government of Orissa has been taking steps to root telugu out of this region since 1936 by discouraging the use of Telugu. I have a lot of resources which I can use to include the history of telugu in  the pages of places in this region when I get enough time. I hope you understand it and help me include that information in those pages. :) --SriHarsha Bhogi(talk) 2:55, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please cite your researched "journals" while making edits on Wikipedia. Secondly, as Telugu is not an official language of Odisha and so is Odia in AP and Telengana, one cannot just add them in place names. So, my humble request is to refrain from adding Telugu names in places of Odisha. Your edits are not constructive edits but vandalism. Please keep up with your research but Wikipedia is not the place of original research to publish. Your argument about presence of Odia people in AP and Telengana is pointless because I know them living but in suppressed condition in AP and Telengana. Eventually many Odias had to speak in Telugu to survive there. Telugu films are popular in many other parts of India as well because of other reasons. Do we conclude that Telugu is the most spoken language in every single place where Telugu films are screened? I don't intend to argue and waste time here. There are many Wikipedia articles on places in Anddhra and Telengana that need someone to enhance. You could spend time on those rather than putting effort in convincing me how Telugu is the most spoken language in Southern Odisha. You know it well that I or any other Odia would not believe such arguements! And last but not the least Kalinga kingdom that was spread from today's North Eastern through Eastern until Southern India directly relate to Odisha and Odia language. And Odia being a 2500 year old classical language has influence on its neighboring languages including Telugu. The early inscriptions of Telugu seem close resemblance with Kalinga script where the latter is the direct predecessor of Odia script. Telugu being newer as compared to Odia would have been farther in the chronology scale. And a newer language influencing an older one seems illogical. However, let's stop arguing here and enhance places from each others' states as the poor quality Wikipedia articles need our contribution. And you would be best person to contribute to articles of your own state. Cheers. --Psubhashish (talk) 03:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)