User talk:Psyklax

Welcome again!
It's great to see that you've signed up! Good to hear that the original site pages still exist intact too. Soon there'll be another source to cite for the articles. You can sign up for WikiProject Machinima by adding your name to the list of participants. You should mention on the talk page though that the PPJ is yours, just to head off any potential future complaints from those not familiar with the project. By the way, as a veteran of machinima reviewing, what are your thoughts on Red vs Blue and The Strangerhood?--Drat (Talk) 15:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me welcome you also. Like Drat, I'm also involved in WikiProject Machinima. It's always good to see someone else interested in covering older machinima and Quake movies. The majority of us in WikiProject Machinima, except for Drat, got into the medium well after the era of Quake movies, so any help with the earlier stuff is appreciated. I've begun to watch some of the older classics (such as Operation Bayshield and Hardly Workin', among others), but nothing full-length yet from the pre-2001 era. I blame it on lack of time; Devil's Covenant and Nehahra are on my list.
 * By the way, I saw your comments to Drat. Are you sure that you're thinking of the right Red vs Blue? If Nehahra was the last machinima that you reviewed, keep in mind that Red vs Blue came much later; the first episode premiered in April 2003, and it's done by Rooster Teeth Productions, not Tritin Films. You are, however, correct that the Red vs Blue crew has been prolific; they're probably up to 100 videos (77 in the main storyline). — TKD::Talk 08:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I took a quick look at the Tritin Films site archived at machinima.com and found CTF-Comedy in Armor, which is probably the movie you're thinking of. — TKD::Talk 08:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Red vs Blue
Sorry for any confusion I caused you. You should definately check out RvB. Its done so much for getting machinima noticed in and outside of the gaming world. Not to mention the commercial release precedent, and the popularising of the episodic format. Sadly, the grand singular epic may be dead, but episodic does have its benefits (like gradual improvement, and something to come back to). If you are unable to download the episodes at work, you might be able to pick up a DVD or two at a GameStop or somesuch while you are on holiday.

Also, some updates on what some of the old groups have been up to: --Drat (Talk) 12:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The ILL Clan are still around. Paul Marino's moved on to new things, founding the Academy of Machinima Arts and Sciences, and has written a book. The ILL Clan did a few Lenny & Larry shows in front of live audiences. They are now doing a talkshow series. I think they are still using a modified Quake 2 or 3.
 * Hugh Hancock and Strange Company have released 6 parts so far of an episodic film called BloodSpell. They've also handed control of machinima.com over to some other bunch so they can concentrate on their production(s).
 * Stubs are fine. Just mark them with film-stub. It would be handy though to have in the article lead a brief rundown of why the film in question is notable (was highly popular, famous creators, etc.), to reduce the chance of someone slapping a prodd or speedy tag on them. By the way, there was a documentary Machinima on Scottish TV a few years back. You can download it here.--Drat (Talk) 12:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Regarding screenshots, the best person to talk to would be TKD. I think your screenshots would be as good as any others, though. Make sure to mention that they are from your site; they need a source anyway. That said, I'll probably be taking some new screenshots too.--Drat (Talk) 14:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, only real small articles with little structure should be stubs.--Drat (Talk) 17:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Screenshot
Basically, there are three things that that you need to do when including a fair-use image: It's actually not that bad. It's a lot of boilerplate, but it's necessary to ensure that fair use claims can be verified. — TKD::Talk 03:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) When you upload the image, you need to specify a proper license. For logos with no actual game elements, like Image:Rvboutofmindlogo.jpg, you would use . For other screenshots, it's machinima-screenshot.
 * 2) You need to give a detailed rationale as to why the scheenshot will be fair use in the article(s) in which you plan to include the image. The Red vs Blue image that I linked above has an example. Look through Category:Screenshots of machinima for others (I think that I wrote most, if not all, of the rationales for that category).
 * 3) When you include an image in a page, you need to place a comment that looks like the following:
 * Looks fine. The only thing that I would add is the approximate timing (within the video) of the screenshot. You can add that you took the screenshot yourself; I usually don't if it's self-captured, although, for completeness, I probably should. In the case you mentioned, I found the Diary image on the Internet, in which case both the original video (the primary source) and the website (secondary source) had to be cited. But, yeah, it looks good otherwise. The important thing is that the film itself is cited thoroughly. Thanks for your help with these old movies! — TKD::Talk 07:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The timing would be a little tricky, considering these are taken in-game.--Drat (Talk) 08:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can estimate that the RGB2 screenshot is about 3/4 of the way through the film, having seen it 3 million times. If I watched it again I could be more accurate, but when it's so (relatively) short is it worth it? I'll add the fact that I took it, and add pics of the other movies in a few hours. (Why am I talking on my own talk page?!)--Psyklax 08:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a good point about the length, but anything that helps verifiability.... :) — TKD::Talk 08:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Rangers/URF
I asked a variant of this on Talk:Diary of a Camper, so probably best to reply there, but... most sources that I've seen credit Diary of a Camper to "the Rangers". One source suggests that URF broke off some time later. Do you know of the correct timeline? I ask because I'm thinking about creating a category for these films, and getting the name right might be difficult, if they were originally one group, then a group with a subdivision, and then two separate groups. I wonder whether "Ranger machinima" might be an appropriate, least unambigious, yet all-encompassing name. — TKD::Talk 08:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Dantooine Five-O
Hey Psyk,

I saw your inquiry to Drat about Dantooine Five-O. Wikipedia does have a guideline about this: Autobiography. Generally, it's a bad idea to create articles about oneself, except to correct simple uncontroversial facts and vandalism, because it is so hard to be objective in those cases. If I recall correctly, there was some issues when ILLRobinson created Paul Marino last year. It worked out in the end, but a lot of Wikipedians are suspicious even at the slightest instance of autobiographical writing. My opinion: Having scoured Google, I think that we do have Cineplex and QML reviews of Dantooine, so that should be enough hird-party material for an article (although I temd to be a bit liberal here; Drat may want to comment as well).

I'd list it on the WikiProject requests list and have Drat or me write it up. I think Drat's current project is The Seal of Nehahra, though, so he might be busy for a while with that epic. :) — TKD::Talk 08:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's some difference between writing about oneself and writing about related productions, but, in the end, both can be a bit touchy, just because of the vested interest. — TKD::Talk 08:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I consider it a real classic. If notability can be established, there's no reason for there not to be an article. I don't think there is any other Quake movie that did so many parodies and in-jokes. A 'making of' like suggested on the requests area would be quite handy. As for the Nehahra thing, I'll try and do something on the weekend. I put Morrowind on my machine recently though, and have spent loads of time playing it.--Drat (Talk) 17:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
I've been meaning to give this to you. Something like 7 articles in 4 days? Keep up the good work. — TKD::Talk 08:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Barnstars are awards given, more or less freely, just as a form of recognition and appreciation. — TKD::Talk 08:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back
Hope that you found this side of the Atlantic pleasant. :) As for the origin of the term machinima, I'm just going by the date the Paul Marino put in his book; it seems that it first appeared in an email between Hancock and Bailey. This article seems to back up the date. As for work to be done, I've been really busy myself lately; the Diary of a Camper expansion efforts were my main focus. I've nominated it for featured article status, which means that it'd be recognized as one of the best articles on Wikipedia (about 1 in 1200 articles is "featured").

If you want, you should read over What is a featured article? and leave an opinion as to whether it meets those criteria at the DoaC featured article candidate subpage, here. — TKD::Talk 01:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yup, you're correct that subject matter isn't a criterion. I do realize that Diary isn't a piece that you can write a lot aboutt, but actually that means that the difference between a decent article on it and a great article on it isn't that much. Machinima is on the to-do list; in fact, I've posted a rough outline of a revamped article on Talk:Machinima. It's going to be a lot harder to be comprehensive about a broader topic, but I think we can do it. And, yes, Debil's Covenant was fcertainly important as the first feature-length machinima piece. — TKD::Talk 03:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

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Your edit to Zelda 2
I noticed in the edit summary of your edit to Zelda II: The Adventure of Link that you feared that it might be original research. The fact that you could detect it is a good thing. I'll go ahead and remove any OR I see in your edit, which may or may not be all of it (unless someone beats me to it). From now on, if you fear something might be OR, post it on the talk page and ask for opinions. It's on my watch list, so I'll be able to respond fairly quickly, barring extenuating circumstances. Thanks for your efforts. Larrythefunkyferret 05:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I said 'original research' because I loaded up both games and noticed the difference. It's not written on a website but I've seen it with my own eyes. Therefore, I pointed out that it is 'original research', done by me. But it's true, though. =] Psyklax 07:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

If you have both games, then you may be able to provide visual evidence, appeasing the ban on original research. Try to get comparative screenshots for evidence; I don't know if they will stand up in wikicourt, but I would accept them. Larrythefunkyferret 06:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I could do just that, but is it worth it? =] It's not that major really. I don't know where I'd send the pics though. Psyklax 08:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you may be right; it's probably not notable enough, since you're having such a hard time finding outside sources for it. For future reference, though, if you ever want to upload a picture, I keep hearing about Wikimedia Commons. I think you upload it there, then put it in a article from there. I could be wrong, but if you're interested, it's a place to start. Larrythefunkyferret 07:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, after all that, I did a quick Google and got a link to a site that gives much more detail about differences. That should do it I hope. =] Psyklax 07:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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