User talk:Psypherium/Archive 1

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Vandalism tagging
TheWeegeeMinion here! Psypherium, I saw your memo left at my Talk page, and I am sorry you consider my edits vandalism. I will try to not edit when I want to, but sometimes, I might just do that by habit. I hope that we don't have too many arguments, and if you don't like my edits, feel free to revert them, even this one! I am new to the world of wiki, so please, don't dislike me too much! TheWeegeeMinion (talk) 19:07 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm super sorry, I was monitoring that page for someone who was removing information and I think I thought you were the same person under another account or something. I'm glad to see i didn't scare you off. Sorry for the confusion! Psypherium (talk) 13:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted. I′m sorry too, and I′ll try to use the sandbox very often. My Edits In List of Sonic the Hedgehog video game characters could have been a little bit unprofessional, so I will make sure to use Show Preview before I do something that could get me in trouble. Air quotes in Amy Rose were unnecessary and I was stupid for doing that. Anyways, I′ll try to make my edits more informative, so I won′t cause removal of my account! Thanks! TheWeegeeMinion (talk) 21:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

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Here's a kitten for you (: Brmbrmcar (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission atArticles for creation:Minetest(November 14)
 Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Minetest Articles for creation help desk] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Zxcvbnm was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Game has been deleted numerous times from Wikipedia for non-notability, per Articles for deletion/Minetest. There is no evidence that this situation has changed, and the sources used here are similar to the deleted article, including unreliable ones from download pages, etc.

ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

ZXCVBNM "unreliable ones from download pages, etc." If you get the time, I would be interested in hearing specifically which references you thought weren't up to par.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games

My main objective was to create a wikipedia page which had more reliable third-party citations than any game on this list. It is also more widely known and has more downloads than about %50 of the games on this list.

"no evidence that this situation has changed" The byte-size of the wikitext has more than doubled and the reflist is now huge and links to places like CERN and Google's 2019 "capture the flag" challenge. When GreenXenith added those citations, I thought that it might tip it over the edge into notability.

Over the years, the notability inclusion requirements for open source video games have been ignored. Why is it that minetest is held to a higher standard than the rest?

A little upsetting, but it's okay. You are just doing your job, and doing it well. I hope that you have a good day. Psy pherium talk page 02:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Citations from a software's own website, stores, Github, and especially forums, are generally not considered admissible. See WP:PUBLISHED. If something was not vetted by a reliable third party (generally a news site) then it is not a reliable source and is technically WP:OR. Also, being mentioned in any news site is not enough to prove something is notable, that site must also be considered a reliable one with a proper editorial team.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:37, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

ZXCVBNM "Citations from a software's own website, stores, Github, and especially forums, are generally not considered admissible." On wikipedia, current stable version and the development versions are always referenced using first party citations. I have now removed all other first party citations except these.

With an open source software project, a first party reference is considered to be much more reliable than a third party one.

For open source projects, the reliability is reversed:

- A third-party reference for open-source software is potentially commercial and for-profit, a website which is run as a business or by a business.

- The first-party reference for open-source software is non-commercial and non-profit, and thereby usually inherently more reliable than a third party reference.

Yeah, fair call on the forum link, that is removed for the next version of the submission. There are two citations which link to wiki.minetest.net, i would like to replace those at some point. With the forum and wiki citations removed, you would then deem the submission to be okay? Psy pherium talk page 03:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

The forum and wiki citations are gone now, I didn't like those either.

"Game has been deleted numerous times" Minetest is not a game, it is an open source sandbox game engine. "Minetest Game" is also talked about in the article, this is due to it being the default "sample game" which is distributed with the engine as a demonstration. The reasons for deletion were mainly based on this confusion, and confusion about free-and-open-source gaming in general, and bad citations, and lack of notability. All of these situations have changed. Especially notability. The only two more notable, active, and widely referenced open-source video games asides ones built in the Minetest engine, are SuperTuxKart, and 0 A.D. These have pretty decent wikipedia pages, but they aren't as good as this draft page.

"and the sources used here are similar to the deleted article" I have now removed absolutely everything that i didn't feel was appropriate, the wikitext should now have no similarities whatsoever to the deleted article, and all of your other concerns should hopefully now be resolved. I hope that your day is good :)  Psy pherium talk page 04:07, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of sources in the article are still unreliable. Github repo is not a source that can be used on Wikipedia. Similarly, citing other Wikis is not allowed. Saying things like "current available texture packs range from 4x4px to 512x512px" and citing a download page still tends to be original research, not always but it's still a primary source. Listicles are usually heavily frowned upon as sources. Sites like "freewaregenius.com" don't seem particularly reliable, they don't really mention editorial vetting and are not a professional tech site. So I'm going to say it's still pretty firmly non notable, but ask in the help desk please if you still disagree.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Read WP:BITE
...and do not make false statements. --5.43.72.55 (talk) 13:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * (This discussion is a continuation of this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ahunt#Special:Diff/983991671/984001574)


 * Hello again ! I am sorry that I have made you feel this way, I tried very hard to explain myself politely and kindly. When I said this: "He had his career distinctively successful throughout the second half of 1980s" is not grammatically correct, I was not making a false statement, I was pointing out a fact. If this is not the statement which you object to, please refer me to the statement which you believe to be false.


 * I do not know enough about the theory of sentence structure to explain to you exactly why this is incorrect grammar, but I can provide for you an alternative which is grammatically correct: "The height of his career success was during the late 1980s."


 * The original version of the text stated that his career high was throughout the 1990s. I do not understand the Bosnian language, but the google translated version of the page, which you helpfully provided an archive link to, seems to agree with that statement.


 * I have just tested the second citation, and it is still an inactive link, perhaps it is hosted on a server which only has active network routing within a certain country where you live. In my country, trying to access the page leaves me with a browser message stating that "This site can't be reached." If you could also provide an archive link to this citation, I could attempt to verify some of the other information which you are posting.
 * (Edit: archive link found and added)


 * The other information that you have posted seems to be incorrect, the translated version of the citation says "Jay Ramadanovski (Belgrade, April 29, 1964) is a Serbian singer of Roma ethnicity", and "The Ramadanovski family originates from the municipality of Resan in Macedonia." This seems to suggest that the person is "of mixed Romani and Macedonian ethnicity.", which is what the Wikipedia article stated originally, before you changed it to "Serbian and former Yugoslav"
 * (Edit: I think you might be accidentally confusing "Birthplace" with "Ethnicity")


 * It would be much easier to verify this information for the English Wikipedia if you could provide a link which is written in the English language.


 * Until I see a citation which confirms your changes, I must now revert your edits. This will now be the sixth time where an experienced editor has reverted your edits to this page. Please be more careful in the future. I very much hope that this experience has not discouraged you from becoming an active contributor to Wikipedia.


 * I feel that I am forced to bring back to this conversation to assist me with this issue, as they know more about the standards expected of Wikipedia editors than I do.


 * Finally, as always, I hope that you have a good day.


 * Edit:
 * I want to make sure that you understand that your edits to Wikipedia do appear to be constructive and helpful, and I do hope that you continue to contribute. If it were not for the incorrect grammar, your edits would be completely fine.


 * It would be more civil and productive to refrain from accusing other editors of making false statements unless you can provide clear reasoning behind your accusations.


 * Here is what you should do to ensure that your edits are not reverted in the future:


 * 1. Try to avoid changing the structure of sentences if you are not absolutely sure that the grammar is correct.


 * 2. Provide sources for any information added or changed, especially in biographies of living persons.


 * - Psy pherium talk page 02:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * A career cannot have "height" (or at least not without using some figure of speech which is not preferable in articles); it is better to say that "His career was distinctively successful".


 * In the beginning of the article, you force "lang-sr-cyr" instead of "Lang-sh-Cyrl" even though official language at the time he was born was Serbo-Croatian and not Serbian (and capitalization is wrong in your version).


 * Ethnicity does not go in the lede but nationality.


 * "resides today" is wrong; it has to be "is residing".


 * Albums are given in italics and not with quotation marks and name of the album is not 1,2 but Jedan, dva (you can check Discogs). Other album needs comma for apposition.


 * You removed his occupation and record labels without explanation. That is also wrong.


 * Categories should be sorted by importance.


 * I can access Politika link in "Bosnia & Herzegovina" Google.


 * You will get reverted until you accept obvious improvements.


 * --5.43.72.55 (talk) 18:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for accepting the grammar improvements, the most recent edit you made is written much better than your previous edits.


 * As I said previously, I think that the other changes you made are good, the only problem was the incorrect grammar.


 * The grammar you are now using in the sentence about his career is now much better, I only have contention with the word "distinctively", I feel like it is "positively loaded language". Perhaps we could change this to "He reached his commercial peak in the second half of the 1980s"?


 * "in 1990s" is wrong, it has to be "in the 1990s", I'll fix this.


 * "Is residing" is wrong, it has to be "is currently residing", I'll fix this.


 * The only problem now is the lack of citations for some statements, when this is resolved this will be a good article.


 * Good work! :)


 * I hope that you have a good day. :)


 * Psy pherium talk page 19:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)