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Budgewoi, New South Wales
Hey bud, just with the above page where you moved the history of the name to the Talk Page. I am going to revert the edit because it is from a very reliable source that another user contributed from. The book "From Pugdeway [i.e. Pudgeway] to Budgewoi" ISBN 0731611284 is a pretty good history of the suburb. When I get around to wikifying that page, I am gonna borrow it from the library. It is also 4 sale [here] which is the local historical society. Any probs...give us a buzz. Todd661 08:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Pirahã language recordings
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the Template:Languages of South America
What do y ou think we should do about this extremely incomplete and misleading template that someone has started putting on all pages relating to languages of south america?Maunus 10:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Taboo against naming the dead
I noticed you were the person who started this page. Could you take a look at my comment relating to the notes here? Let me know if you don't have access to these books anymore (I might be able to figure something else out). Thank you, --Sofeil 11:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yopi
I have noticed the lack of this article too but I think it should be a redirect to Tlapanec people which also doesn't exist. Otherwise we could make a page for the prehispanic Yopi/tlapanec culture and one for the modern people but it seems easier to start with having both prehispanic and modern Tlapanecs on the same page for now - I doubt we can track down much information about either. (I have only a few scattered references to the yopitzinca/tlapanec in diffreent books on the aztecs)Maunus 10:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Arte para aprender la lengua mexicana
Should the article be in Title Case? --Steve (Slf67)talk 08:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Aztec Codex
Yes... I think that Aztec Codex are illuminated manuscripts PROVIDED they are illustrated. The Wikipedia definition is: "An illuminated manuscript is a manuscript in which the text is supplemented by the addition of decoration or illustration, such as decorated initials, borders and miniatures. In the strictest definition of the term, an illuminated manuscript only refers to manuscripts decorated with gold or silver. However, in both common usage and modern scholarship, the term is now used to refer to any decorated manuscript."Goldenrowley 16:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Belarusian language
What's the specific for the cleanup tag, please? Yury Tarasievich 22:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello? Dear Ptcamn, what's the specific reason for putting the cleanup tag on the Belarusian language article, please? Yury Tarasievich 12:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Cosijoeza
Thank you for starting the article. It has been on my list for quite some time.--Rockero 19:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I also wanted to say thanks for creating so many codex-related articles. The interesting part of this is that one can usually find some sort of image for just about any codex on the Internet.  The difficult part, at least for me, is that the names are not standardized.  In any case, keep going, Madman 16:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for the category
Thanks for categorizing the Remojadas article. I had forgotten.

Also, thanks for all the codex articles. I used to create these way back when, but soured on Wikipedia for a while and never went back to create any more. What I particularly liked about the codex articles was that you could usually find a copy of a page or two somewhere on the Internet to upload.

Anyway, keep the faith, talk to you later, Madman 21:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Codex-related image question for you
Ptcamn: Being something of an expert on codices, I am wondering whether you can shed any light on a question that I raise at Talk:Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture concerning the identity of the central figure in Image:Telleriano-Remensis Codex sacrifice.jpg. Any insight would be appreciated, Madman 22:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

List of languages by name
Hi! I see you're making own articles for each letter for this article. Do you have an idea already, what might happen after you're finished and all languages are listed in the single articles? Will List of languages by name be turned into a Disambiguation Page or something like a "portal" for the other articles? Just being curious... — N-true 04:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

hey
i'm guessing you're into aztec mythology there was a priest i forgot his name who wrote all the stories and translated them into spanish from nahuatl..have you read it? what do you know of malagasy? manao ohoana? how r ya? florentine codexDomsta333 11:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Cuauhtemoc
I have corrected the word Cuauhtemoc to its correct translation but you have reverted it. Be advised that the way you have it now is wrong even if you have a reference ("Andrews")-that reference would be wrong. My sole intention in Wikipedia is to help. My contributions have laways been correct and double checked, but will not engage in battles, so keep your wrong translation if you wish.--Healkids 14:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar...
Thanks also for helping out with the WP:MESO new article requests- it's difficult sometimes to keep up with your prodigious output! Keep up the great work, cheers --cjllw | TALK  07:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Mayan languages FA nomination
The article Mayan languages is currently nominated for Featured Article. You might wish to voice your opinion at Featured article candidates/Mayan language.·Maunus· · ƛ · 11:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Cuauhtemoc #2
Thanks for the lecture, but I am sure you well know that not all references are truthful and I was attempting to point out that your source is wrong. Just because you find something "written" somewhere doesn't mean it is truthful. Anyway, for Wikipedias sake, do your homework regarding the LITERAL translation of the word Cuauhtemoc. You don't have to go too far -why don't you just go to the Spanish article of Cuauhtemoc in Wikipedia, which was written by Mexicans who might know a bit more about their own history than you, or check a Nahuatl dictionary. You can also find on line MULTIPLE references on the meaning of the word. From the notes above, I am surprised to see you get recognition despite your stubbornness. Healkids 13:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You are out of line healkids. Ptcamn is very versed in náhuatl and the translation from J Ricard Andrews is much more literal than the grantedly more common translation of "Descending Eagle" - any one who knows about náhuatl can attest that the -c morpheme at the end of the word cuauhtemoc is a perfective aspect marker - meaning that the action of the verb (in this case temo "descend")is completed not ongoing. A correct translation would therefore read "Eagle who has descended" not "who is descending". You, as opposed to ptcamn, are speaking against better knowledge and being stubborn. ·Maunus· · ƛ · 13:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with what you just said which is correct but "One That Has Descended Like an Eagle" is totally wrong as it could refer to a PERSON who has descended "like an eagle" and not the bird itself. Write then "Eagle who has descended" period. keep out "one that has...like" --Two totally different meanings!Healkids 13:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to disappoint you again. Náhuatl just like the vast majority of other known natural languages do not allow incorporation of subjects into a verb. This means that the correct way to interpret the verb cuauhtemoa is "descend like an eagle" or "to eagledescend" in other words the eagle is not the subject of the phrase but the names owner is. Just like moctezuma is not a "lord who frowns" but "he who frowns like a lord". Another translation which is equally correct as ANdrews, but which we cannot include because it is unsourced original research would be "he (who) has descended like an eagle".·Maunus· · ƛ · 14:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Your response is not valid for many reasons but mostly because the subject at hand is not MEANING which could be subjective and multiple, but LITERAL..Gentlemen, have it your way,as I said I will not engage in battles and may Wikipedia forgive you. By the way Ptcamn, the reason I didn't remove the reference number was because it is placed after the explanation of the pronunciation, so the source of such pronunciation could have still be found there. Had the number been after the translation itself I certainly would have removed it! So again, my intentions were to help not to "mislead" as I was accused of (and question Maunus who was really "out of line" here?)Healkids 14:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * you were out of line to lecture ptcamn on a subject about which he is quite well versed. Another good reason to leave in the note is that it is just about the most respected and widely used source to knowledge about classical náhuatl published in english. So had you removed it without providing a better reference it would certainly have been put back in.·Maunus· · ƛ · 14:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added to the article that Cuauhtémoc is commonly translated as "falling eagle" (still supported by the reference, since Andrews explicitly complains about that translation), without saying it actually means that.
 * Healkids said that "the subject at hand is not MEANING which could be subjective and multiple, but LITERAL". The thing is, "one that has descended like an eagle" is the literal meaning. Perhaps it's meant to be interpretted as "setting sun" or whatever non-literal meaning it might have, but its literal meaning is pretty clear. --Ptcamn 23:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Unicode Latin
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Kija language?
Hello there! I first want to say its honour to speak with an Australian person! :) And also, I am interested in learning Kija language, I have friend who is Kija and I really want to learn the language. I saw you wrote the article about the language, can you PLEASE recommend me any resources to laern it! I am tired of looking for hours and finding nothing! Maybe you know? :) --Ice201 05:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Chinglish
Hi. I noticed you put the totally-disputed tag on Chinglish. I've looked over the article and I can see the problems with factual accuracy, but neutrality is harder. Could you discuss this on the talk page?  Squids ' and ' Chips  18:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

GA review
Just so you know, I'm putting Huitzilatzin on Hold status. You have a week to fulfill the needs and fix the problems specified on the talk page.  &mdash;A • D  Torque 06:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Etymology
Woo! Good work, sir! --Miskwito 21:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Wrathful Dispersion
You created it because it was requested? You mean like someone listed it on a Requested Article page? I apologize for the seems to be created out of vanity bit, though perhaps it was listed as a request out of vanity or something. DreamGuy 00:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello! Re: Montezuma
Do you consider this vandalism? Just wanted to make sure with someone who has edited the article previously.--0rrAvenger 16:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hawaiian Pidgin Article
Aloha! I appreciate your help with the article Hawaiian Pidgin. In the future, please tag the article with and state your case on the talk page and give the original poster or someone else the chance to source it. While I agree with you that it is an erroneoua claim, I would have given at least 2 or 3 days for someone to source the info.

Please do not take this as a personal attack against you, as that is not my intention. If you did in fact do such, then please accept my apologies. I briefly looked over the talk page, and I did not see it, but it is possible that I overlooked such. -- Kanaka maoli i puuwai 05:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

WPENLANG
Hi, long time no see.

I dunno. I think no one knows that WPENLANG exists. You'll recall, I brought up the idea of an assessment system, and several people disliked the idea. That's probably for the best. But for some reason, it never occurred to me that we would need a banner even without an assessment system...

Really, no one has posted anything on WPENLANG in a long while. I really think many people who might be interested have no idea that it exists... so I think we should do something to (crass though it may sound) advertise its existence...

Thanks! --Ling.Nut 05:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Your re-nomination.
Could you do me a favour and send me a message to my talk when the voting is closed? I wouldn't add this page to my watchlist as there are too many nominations there already. TheBlazikenMaster 13:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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Pidgin
Do they really say "usually"? A pidgin has no native speakers by definition! &mdash; JackLumber /tɔk/ 22:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Category Forms of English, and subCats e.g. English mixed languages
1. Most of the pages under Cat English mixed languages comes from Cat Mixed languages and Cat Forms of English. They are so grouped as a subCat to both main Cat. 2. They are English related pages. They may be Styles of English in different languages, or English loanwords in other languages. May u suggest Cat(s) to place them? u have some pts. Thx and pls continue to contributeApple0142E 12:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Theban clean-up
Thank-you! I looked at the Theban alphabet article yesterday and was thinking it desperately needed to be rearranged. You did just what I was imagining, and better! Fuzzypeg ☻ 23:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation of PNG languages
Hi, just wanted to say thanks for the big effort you've been putting in to the categorisation of PNG language articles. This is an area I'm interested in. Do you intend to expand some of these articles as well? Wantok (talk) 04:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Skolt Sami
Hello! I was wondering if you could provide us with some suggestions on how to make the Skolt Sámi article better so that it might someday attain the Good rating, especially as it is up for assessment on the Finnish wikipedia, as well. Thanks for any and all suggestions! -Yupik 11:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Your Kanji entries to the Tok Pisin Wiktionary
I appreciate your taking the time to add new entries to the Tok Pisin Wiktionary. The dictionary is being completely revised, and will be a bilingual Tok Pisin-English dictionary. There will be an English definition page for every Tok Pisin definition, and vice versa. Because there are many different languages used in Melanesia, the Tok Pisin Wiktionary will be effectively a multi-lingual dictionary, with definitions provided for Tok Pisin/English equivalent words in other regional and local languages. The target audience for our new Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Wiktionary is the 16 to 22 age group, all of whom learn English in the PNG school system, as well as in the surrounding island nations, but who also use tok pisin extensively in day to day speech. Because English is the standard language throughout Melanesia, the development plan that's evolving for the new Wiktionary requires that all page titles to be in the Roman alphabet, the standard alphabet for Melanesia and the surrounding regions. Using Kanji characters for your entry titles is useful for those familiar with the Japanese language, but they are neither necessary nor acceptable in the Tok Pisn Wiktionary. Also, using non-Roman characters in Tok Pisin templates, categories, and other pages isn't acceptable either. I've taken the liberty of renaming and reworking your Wiktionary entry to use the Japanese Romanji me in the page title instead of the Kanji character you used. In this way your definition meets the requirement to use Roman alphabet characters in the page title, and your definition of me can remain in the TPI Wiktionary. The format for the TPI Wikipedia's definition pages hasn't been determined as yet, other than it should follow (as a start, anyway) the definition format used in the English Wiktionary. (Any suggestions you might have in this regard will be appreciated!) Whenever there are multiple meanings or nuances for a word, for example, they should be listed in 1-2-3 order. Your definition of me, for example, was incomplete in the sense that there are many, many meanings to that Japanese word that might selectively have listed, but were not. Again, I took the liberty of adding a very short list of meanings for me and giving the tok pisin and English equivalents. Also, every definition should include a sentence illustrating the use of the word in a contextual setting. You'll see what I mean if you'll review my rework/example. In the next few weeks I'll be working on the complete revision of the structure of the TPI Wiktionary will be populating the TPI Wiktionary. My first priority at the moment, however, is the restructuring of the TPI Wikipedia, which is being set up to be a bilingual Wikpedia, reflecting the reality of everyday Tok Pisin usage amongst those people most likely to have access to computers and to the Internet. If you are interested in participating in the revising of the two TPI Wikis, you can read through the discussions so far about the project at WikiProject Melanesia, and on the Tok Pisin discussion subpages starting with Tok Pisin subpages. Best regards, K. Kellogg-Smith 05:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC) (TPI Wikipedia/Wiktionary sysop/administrator)

Articles for deletion/Code2000 (second nomination)
I have closed this AFD as a speedy keep. As you are certainly aware, the DRV in July resulted in the article not being deleted. Per the deletion policy, "Renominations: After a deletion debate concludes and the page is kept, users should allow a reasonable amount of time to pass before nominating the same page for deletion again, to give editors the time to improve the page. Renominations shortly after the earlier debate are generally closed quickly. It can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hopes of getting a different outcome."

In light of the recent DRV, the right place to discuss what should be included in this article is on the article's talk page, not in a new deletion discussion. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Hidalgo
I don't necessarily agree with the move of the state of Hidalgo to Hidalgo (Mexico), but the article was moved on July 20 to that location and Hidalgo and there has not been a single complaint about that move. That being said, as I'm going through and performing the cleanup I'm finding a number of instances where Hidalgo is actually intended for Miguel Hidalgo, Hidalgo (Spanish nobility), or Hidalgo (film). All in all, there is only a couple of hundred links to Hidalgo, so cleanup is relatively easy and quick. --Bobblehead (rants) 23:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal
You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination this year. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual main page will resemble either an excerpted list format or an abbreviated text format. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. Right now debate seems to be among support for the current selective democratic/consensus based proposal, a selective dictatorial approach like that used at WP:TFA or a non-selective first in line/calendar approach like that used at WP:POTD. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

IPA templates
Hi,

Just to let you know, we now have IPA templates that link to pronunciation keys that are more accessible than the main IPA article. They are explained at IPA. kwami 00:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment
There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 21:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Kudos on List of rulers of Texcoco
Ptcamn:

Kudos on List of rulers of Texcoco. I really liked the way you pulled pictures of various rulers of Texcoco into this list. Commendable work, compadre! Keep it up, Madman (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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Question on Panarchy article and etymology
Panarchy is a word which has been created fairly independently by at least three people that is used in a sometimes similar, sometimes different manner. Someone new to wikipedia came along who started an "etymology" section that repeats info in previous sections and then quotes his own Thesis paper.

I did internet research on “eytmology of panarchy” and except from comments by that person and brief mentions in other minor sources couldn’t find anything from very reliable sources on the topic.

So I am wondering if the whole topic should just be skipped altogether, or just mentioned briefly in introduction, and otherwise just keep the article pretty much as originally was with descriptions of the three different uses, and maybe a new miscellaneous section on two other uses. thanks for any advice! Carol Moore 04:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc {talk}

Nahuatl getting into position for FA-drive
I have been working intensively on the Nahuatl article for the past few days - I am intent on taking it to FA status within the next few months. In that regard I'd appreciate all and any copyediting, peerreviwing, additions and suggestions to the article from knowledgeable and careful editors such as yourself. Thanks beforehand. ·Maunus· · ƛ · 15:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca head
Dear Ptcamn !

I contribute on the french wikipédia. The subject about "Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca head", in the English wikipedia, is illustrated with a very good photo. But the same article in the french wikipédia is without this one.

Maybe, can you authorise me to use this "image :Tecaxic calixtlahuaca head.jpg" only for the french wikipédia.

If you agree, I take this photo on my computer and use this one to illustrate only the french Wikipédia.

Thanks for your answer. Busway (talk) 18:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer. I contact him for his photo. Busway (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hentaigana
Hi! As far as I know, hentaigana are not included in Unicode and JIS X 0208. Included only in TRON (encoding). Would you please show me any code of hentaigana? I'm a Japanese and know the differnce between Hiragana/平仮名/ひらがな and Hentaigana/変体仮名/へんたいがな. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What does Hira mean? I don't understand. Oda Mari (talk) 17:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you don't understand Japanese. Hiragana is always hiragana. We never say Hira. And you seems not to know how rare we use hentaigana. Well...would you please revert your edit? Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 18:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 18:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Aztec people
Hi there Ptcamn, I saw your rename proposal for this category. You raise some valid points, as you know we've not really come up with a totally-consistent and satisfying approach re this scope/terminology. I made some comments/suggestions at the CfR nom pg, wld welcome your views or additional comments, if any. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ  TALK 14:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Nominal group (language)
Where's the discussion you link to in the template? I see great disadvantages in merging these two articles. Tony  (talk)  04:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The two articles approach essentially different phenomena from quite different angles, using conflicting concepts and terms. A group is fundamentally different from a phrase, and, for example, the word-class categories are fundamentally different in the descriptions. In the view of many people, the systemic functional frame is correct and the noun-phrase construct, which is part of what is loosely known as traditional grammar, is deeply flawed. I don't mind cross-linking the articles to each other in their "See also" sections, although each link would be best flagged as leading to an analogous but different grammatical construct. Tony   (talk)  12:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not happy calling the article "Noun phrase", and I'm unsure that they allow slashes in article titles. "Nominal group (noun phrase)" might be OK, but I'm concerned that some of the concepts and terms in the noun-phrase article are problematic. The merging of them into a cohesive text may be possible, but will require a lot of work. Tony   (talk)  02:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Request at Graphic Lab
Your request for the Chalco Glyph has been completed. Please come review the outcome. Thanks :) XcepticZP (talk) 21:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Municipalities vs Seats in Mexico
Hello, I read your suggestion to split Chalco article and Chalco de Díaz Covarrubias. In fact that was my point of view but we are having a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mexico/Strategy. I am a new wikipedian so I do not know to much about WP. I think your comments in this discussion will help a lot, can you join?.--Judith Soto | Talk 21:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Currently or not currently
Identifying Tibet as a part of China without the word 'currently' is unfortunately not exactly neutral either! (I'm ok with your formulation because my main interest was highlighting the proximity to Tibet, but thought I'd point out that simple statement about Tibet is likely to be non-neutral.)--RegentsPark (talk) 15:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)