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WP:RFA2011: RfA on other Wikipedias
A detailed table and notes have now been created and posted. It compares how RfA is carried out on   major Wikipedias (English, French, German, Italian, Spanish). If you feel  that other important language  Wikipedias should be added, please let  us know. This may however depend on  our/your language skills!

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RfA Reform update
Hi. It's been a little while since the last message on RfA reform, and there's been a fair amount of slow but steady progress. However, there is currently a flurry of activity due to some conversations on Jimbo's talk page.

I think we're very close to putting an idea or two forward before the community and there are at least two newer ones in the pipeline. So if you have a moment:
 * Have a look at the min requirement proposal and familiarise yourself with the statistics, I'd appreciate comment on where we should put the bar.
 * Any final comments would be appreciated on the clerks proposal.
 * Feedback on the two newer proposals - Pre-RfA & RfA reform 2011/Sysop on request. Both are more radical reforms of RfA and might run along side the current system.

Thanks for reading and for any comments that you've now made.

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WP:RFA2011: Coordinators
Hi Pyfan. The main reasons  why  WT:RfA was never successful in  getting  anything  done are that threads on different aspects of RfA are all mixed together, and are then archived where nobody  remembers them and they  are hard to  find - same applies to  ad hoc threads on  the founder's talk  page. I've therefore spent a couple of hours organising, transferring, and collapsing some of the older threads at  WT:RFA2011 - experience has shown that  people are quite happy to  follow a link  to  a new, more appropriate location. I've also added some slightly  more blatant  edit  notices in  the hope that  newcomers will  take notice. If you can, please consider collapsing and copying new threads started by newcomers to the appropriate talk page, drawing their attention to  the navigation aid at RfA reform 2011/Pages, and the edit notices on each talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye out for any newcomers, make sure they don't stumble around blindly for too long. &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 16:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you're still around! :P Swarm  u 23:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, RL has been pretty hectic lately. I've just been reading through the RfA Reform pages and it's amazing what can happen in a couple of months. &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 02:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

News and progress from RfA reform 2011
(You are receiving this message because you are either a task force member, or you have contributed to recent discussions on any of these pages.)

The number of nominations continues to nosedive seriously, according to  these monthly figures. We know why this is, and if the trend continues our reserve of active admins will soon be underwater. Wikipedia now needs suitable editors to come forward. This can only be achieved either through changes to the current system, a radical alternative, or by fiat from elsewhere.

A lot of work is constantly being done behind the scenes by the coordinators and task force members, such as monitoring the talk pages, discussing new ideas, organising  the project  pages, researching  statistics and keeping  them  up  to  date. You'll also see for example that  we have recently  made tables to  compare how other Wikipedias choose  their sysops, and some tools have been developed to more closely examine !voters' habits.

The purpose of WP:RFA2011 is to focus attention on  specific issues of our  admin  selection  process and to develop  RfC proposals for solutions to improve them. For this, we have organised the project into dedicated sections each with their own discussion pages. It is important to understand that  all Wikipedia policy changes take a long  time to implement whether or not the discussions appear to  be active - getting the proposals right before offering them for discussion by the broader community is crucial to the success of any RfC. Consider keeping the pages and their talk pages on your watchlist; do check out older threads before starting a new one on topics that have been discussed already, and if you start a new thread, please revisit it regularly to follow up on new comments.

The object of WP:RFA2011 is not  to make it  either  easier or harder to  become an admin -  those criteria are set by  those who  !vote at  each  RfA. By providing  a unique venue for developing ideas for  change independent  of  the general discussion  at  WT:RFA, the project has two  clearly  defined goals: The fastest way is through improvement to the current system. Workspace is however also available within the project  pages to  suggest  and discuss ideas that are not  strictly  within  the remit  of this project. Users are invited to make use of these pages where they  will  offer maximum exposure to  the broader community, rather than individual  projects in  user space.
 * 1) Improving the environment  that  surrounds RfA in  order to  encourage mature, experienced editors of the right  calibre to  come forward, pass the interview, and dedicate some of their  time to  admin  tasks.
 * 2) Discouraging, in the nicest  way  possible of course, those whose RfA will be obvious NOTNOW or SNOW, and to  guide them towards the advice pages.

We already know what's wrong with RfA - let's not clutter the project with perennial chat. RFA2011 is now ready to propose some of the elements of reform, and all the task force needs to do now is to pre-draft those proposals in the project's workspace, agree on the wording, and then offer them for central discussion where the entire Wikipedia community will be more than welcome to express their opinions in  order to  build consensus.

New tool Check your RfA !voting history! Since the editors' RfA !vote counter at X!-Tools has been down for a long while, we now have a new RfA Vote Counter to replace it. A significant improvement on the former tool, it provides a a complete breakdown of an editor's RfA votes, together with an analysis of the participant's voting pattern.

Are you ready to help? Although the main engine of RFA2011 is its task force, constructive comments from any  editors are always welcome on  the project's various talk  pages. The main reasons  why  WT:RfA was never successful in  getting  anything  done are that threads on different aspects of RfA are all mixed together, and are then archived where nobody  remembers them and where they  are hard to  find - the same is true of ad hoc threads on  the founder's talk  page.

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Bathurst Meetup
Hi mate, I see you are in the Central West. We are having a meetup in Bathurst on Sunday and it would be great if you could attend - Cartman02au (talk) 08:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't make it. Thanks for the invite though! &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 05:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Please leave my posts alone
I don't go around moving your posts around, so kindly extend me the same courtesy. Pumpkin Sky  talk  17:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. There are two points I would like to make. First, If you're going to complain about me, can you at least do me the courtesy of reading through WP:RFA2011, especially the 'Task Force' section. I'm a co-ordinator, organising posts is what I do. Second, if posts weren't organised into subpages, WT:RFA2011 would be ridiculously long, it'd take a year to scroll to the end. It's not like it can be archived, all the discussions we've had have to be readily available until the reform is complete. This is also the answer to your disgruntled question on WT:RFA/RADICAL. As to what 'Radical' means...
 * "Favoring or effecting fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions" . You must agree that your post fits into that category. These points are basically the same comments Swarm and Worm have made.


 * &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 23:21, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * That was a really tasty cookie! What recipe did you use? Anyway, thanks :) &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 03:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Clarification
I want to explain, that my writing is an article that did have my own, and I pour in my website. Please to be noticed. Thank you. DanielWillyYokom (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Take a look here: Donating Copyrighted Material. For legal reasons, no copyrighted text can be included in Wikipedia (no matter if you are the copyright holder or not) unless the text is released under both the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) and the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 03:02, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

and how I can prove that the article is mine? DanielWillyYokom (talk) 03:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You can place a notice like this on your website:
 * The text of this website [or page, if you are specifically releasing one section] is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License.
 * There are other options listed at Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials as well. I should tell you, though, that even if you go through this process, there is no guarantee the page won't be deleted (for other reasons unrelated to copyright violation). See What Wikipedia is not. &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 03:26, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

if the sentence I put on my website page or the article on wikipedia? DanielWillyYokom (talk) 03:52, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You place that notice on your website. &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 04:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I've put those words in my website, whether that words are true? http://www.friendshiper.com/scripter.html DanielWillyYokom (talk) 04:23, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You must also state that the text is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License. Once again, I should warn you that the article you created will probably be deleted regardless of whether you fix the copyright problems. See Original thought. &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 04:52, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

i already do it. can you see? — DanielWillyYokom (talk) 05:18, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Now it's good. &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 05:26, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

whether my article will be deleted? — DanielWillyYokom (talk) 12:20, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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Feedback Dashboard task force
Hi Pyfan,

Since you were a part of the WikiGuides project, I thought I'd give you a heads-up about a new way you can help/mentor newbies on en.wiki: we've recently released a feature called the Feedback Dashboard, a queue that updates in real time with feedback and editing questions from new registered contributors who have attempted to make at least one edit. Steven Walling and I are putting together a task force for experienced Wikipedians who might be interested in monitoring the queue and responding to the feedback: details are here at Feedback Dashboard. Please sign up if you're interested in helping out! Thanks, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

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I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox -.

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 02:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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an aside
what our friend is calling a DAB has many names of which there are proper DABS, BUT for 1 it happens to be one I changed because there are more than one Henry or hendrick.... cant have that cant have what I did right because he seems to have a preference. check who modified the redirect incorrectly for no logical reason. JGVR (talk) 07:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Is Core Python Programming notable?
I stumbled upon the page Core Python Programming that you originated. I sometimes teach Python and was looking up various books.

Looking on it again, from the perspective of considerably more experience, do you still think that this book is sufficiently noteworthy? Python textbooks are legion. M.boli (talk) 17:42, 1 January 2013 (UTC) (You can respond here, I'll watch this page.)
 * In a general sense, I tend to take an inclusionist view of Wikipedia, especially in relation to books. I consider two simple questions. First, "Is this article detrimental to the health of the encyclopaedia?" And second, "Could this article benefit the readers of the encyclopaedia?" While it is true that Python textbooks are legion, that is not a valid reason to oppose the creation of an article on the subject. Also note that notability (in the sense it is taken on Wikipedia) does not fade with time. Looking at the notability guidelines, I believe this book passes at least one of the listed criteria. Criterion 1 in particular jumps out at me, though the Critical Response section of the article definitely needs improvement and expansion. Regards, &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 10:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Righto! It is a judgement question, and you are an experienced editor. To me it seemed like a garden-variety programming textbook. I did not notice any evidence in a quick web search that said "noteworthy" to me, and there was little in the article itself to support it. But you are more closer to the topic than I am. If more notability is to be found, I agree the Critical Response section is a likely place to describe it. I will leave the article alone. M.boli (talk) 22:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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