User talk:Q-cue

The article Foursquare Day has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. NawlinWiki (talk) 22:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The article is entirely promotion of the Foursquare website by its users, and none of the cited sources are independent of Foursquare. The article opens by categorically asserting that this "holiday" is "celebrated all over the world", when what it really means is that a few Foursquare users decided to celebrate Foursquare.  There is no independent media coverage of this "holiday", see WP:V.  NawlinWiki (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The article did not cite any independent media sources -- just foursquare itself, blogs, and Facebook pages. Do you have citations for the media sources you mentioned to me?  NawlinWiki (talk) 02:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, those sources make a difference. But I'm still concerned about the non-neutral tone of the article: for example, it says that the day "is a global social media holiday that is observed each year on April 16 in cities all across the world", when in reality, it is an event that has happened once so far.  There's also a lot of use of people's first names, as if the article is a bunch of friends congratulating themselves on what they've done, rather than a dispassionate account (which is what belongs in an encyclopedia).  The best way to avoid that is to write the article based *solely* on what appears in the reliable independent sources such as the ones you cited to me, rather than citing the various blogs that appeared in the original article.  What I'm going to do is copy the article content to your userspace at User:Q-cue/Foursquare Day, and let you work on it there to add the sources and to make it neutral per WP:NPOV.  Let me know when you've rewritten it and I'll take a look.  Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but it still reads like a PR blurb. "Foursquare Day is that one day each year where users and business owners come together to celebrate social media."  This is not neutral writing, it's promotion.  NawlinWiki (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem is the intro and last paragraphs, and I can't think of any other way to put it than that they are not neutrally written, they are promotional, and they seem to be from the point of view of an enthusiastic event participant rather than a disinterested reporter. As I said above, language like "that one day each year" is promotional.   I'm not going to rewrite it for you - please keep trying.  NawlinWiki (talk) 20:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * See the further edits I made -- with those, I'm OK with you moving it back to userspace. NawlinWiki (talk) 18:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Unless someone gives you permission to post the badge (which means releasing it under the GNU license, so that anyone can reproduce it for free), I'd leave it off. And you should move the article back to userspace yourself.  NawlinWiki (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Foursquare Day reads like advertisement
As far as I know, admins do not "approve" pages. I appreciate that you've worked with NawlinWiki to bring the page to a level to avoid speedy deletion, but I still have concerns with the page in it's current form. Please see Talk page. GreggHilferding (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It will be much easier to discuss how to improve the article on the talk page of the article itself. As far as "authority" goes, Wikipedia does not function as a hierarchy. Admins have special editing privileges, but do not carry special authority over what is or is not published on Wikipedia. I am sure that the work you and NawlinWiki did have dramatically improved the article (or else it would still be deleted) but I believe there is still much room for improvement. GreggHilferding (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot speak to your interaction with another editor on Wikipedia, but I'm happy to discuss the current state of the article and how to improve it on the article's talk page. I realize you are new to Wikipedia and your first experience was with a speedy deletion. It's normal to discuss deletion issues on other user's talk pages, but it's not normal to discuss improvements to pages on other user's talk pages.
 * If we keep the discussion on the article's talk page, then it's easier for others to follow along and help. The talk page and the article are on my watch list, so I will receive notifications of any new messages that way. There's no rush to improve the article -- Wikipedia articles are in a constant state of improvement and the process can take quite some time. ;)
 * Since you've asked for help to understand Wikipedia, here are a few good links for newcomers:
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page
 * Help pages
 * Tutorial
 * How to write a great article
 * Manual of Style
 * Hope these help. I'm glad you're involved on Wikipedia and I'm sure these links will help you improve the Foursquare Day article and any future articles you edit. You already did an excellent job learning Wiki Markup for your first article so I'm sure you'll be a valuable member of this community. GreggHilferding (talk) 02:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot edit that Template. Editing templates is one of the privileges reserved for Admins, but they can only make changes on a global scale, not for individual pages. It's not really at the point of speedy deletion anymore, so that shouldn't be a problem anyway. GreggHilferding (talk) 03:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)