User talk:QuadriSyedSahab/Request

August 2023
I kindly request you to remove your good faith edit of adding Category:Barelvi organizations and Category:Barelvis to organisations that are not related to the Barelvi movement such as All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama, Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of EK Sunnis), Samastha Kerala Sunni Students Federation Sunni Students' Federation, Dakshina Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama. Moreover, Category:Barelvi Students organizations must not contain Campus Front of India and the same also should not contain Sunni Students' Federation. In addition Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar does not belong to barelvis.

So I humbly request you to rectify the mistakes. Neutralhappy (talk) 09:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I added categories only to Barelvi organisations, Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker is the Grand Mufti of Barelvis in India. He is a Barelvi Muslim. He is student of Student of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi and all of his organisations are Barelvi organisations. He is the Ameer of South India Ahle Sunnat. You can have a Google search regarding this. Thanks ——- 09:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC) Syed Aala Qadri Kalkatvi (talk) 09:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can have a simple look at the Grand Mufti of India article and you’ll know that he is a Barelvi and all his organisations are Barelvi organisations. I’m a Barelvi too. —— Syed Aala Qadri Kalkatvi (talk) 09:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * By the same token every Sunni organisation following one of the Ash'ari, Mathurithi creeds along with one of the four madhabs all around the world will have to be considered a Barelvi organisation. So even Imam Shafi'i, Imam Malik etc. will have to be referred to as Barelvis. Furthermore Kerala Sunni organisations are not referred to as Barelvi organisations. Neutralhappy (talk) 13:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But AP Aboobacker is Barelvi brother, his organisation are related to the Barelvi movement. I don’t know why are you not understanding this thing. He is the Grand Mufti for Barelvi people in India you should know this. —— Syed Aala Qadri Kalkatvi (talk) 15:25, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Go through these links, then you will understand Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliar is referred to as a Sunni, not as a Barelvi and he became Grand Mufti of Sunnis, not Barelvis.
 * 1) https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kanthapuram-grand-mufti-of-sunnis-in-india/article26379629.ece
 * 2) https://m.timesofindia.com/city/kozhikode/kanthapuram-selected-grand-mufti-of-india/articleshow/68175547.cms
 * 3) https://www.coastaldigest.com/p-aboobacker-musliyar-elevated-grand-mufti-sunnis-india?page=3
 * 4) https://englisharchives.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/religion-1.3599882
 * 5) https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2023/01/28/protect-secularism-for-nation-to-progress-says-sunni-leader-kanthapuram.amp.html
 * There would be so many sources like these. No reliable source could refer him as a Barelvi.
 * See CATV :
 * "Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories. Use the template if you find an article in a category that is not shown by sources to be appropriate or if the article gives no clear indication for inclusion in a category."
 * In short you I humbly request you to remove such categorisations. Neutralhappy (talk) 17:46, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Neutralhappy Kanthapuram is clearly a Barelvi cleric per Barelvi Movement so the same applies to his orgs. I will suggest you to read the said paragraph for your confusion. Okoslavia (talk) 11:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose I strongly oppose this request @Syed Aala Qadri Kalkatvi. Okoslavia (talk) 11:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I hope this finds you in good health and high spirits. I humbly remind you that you are mistaken. The only source which describe Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmad also known as Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliar is a MEMRI fake news report ( https://www.memri.org/reports/leading-barelvi-cleric-indias-kerala-state-gender-equality-against-islam-women-are-fit-only ) which tells the lie that Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed said "women are fit only for to deliver children", which was a fake news report made by distorting Sheik Aboobacker Ahmed's statement that only women can deliver children. But media widely misquoted his statement. MEMRI is not a good source for this since they give translation of "Arabic, Farsi, Urdu-Pashtu, Dari, Turkish, Russian, and Chinese media" in which Malayalam is not seen. See : https://www.memri.org/about
 * The simple fact that it itself is a fake news make this news report a fake news report. Hence at least the MEMRI report is not a reliable one. Moreover MEMRI does not appear to follow Islamic trends in Kerala.
 * What happened with this fake news of MEMRI is not quoting from the video evidence but probably from other sources. But the video evidence broadcast by MediaOne clearly shows Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed has said only women can deliver children.
 * Furthermore MEMRI is not a good source to know about Sheik Aboobacker Ahmed or Sunnis in Kerala since MEMRI does not appear to have followed them enough to be considered as reliable for this purpose.
 * Read the reality about the incident :
 * ==Views==
 * Musliyar has condemned Islamic extremism. He says that "Militant groups such as the Islamic State (IS) are trying to defame a religion that advocates peace and tolerance."    He said, “only woman can give birth.” But some media misquoted him as saying women are capable only of childbirth.
 * ===Fatwa against ISIS===
 * Musliyar was the first to issue a fatwa against ISIS.  Musliyar issued his Fatwa on ISIS on 27 August 2014 CE.  This is the first fatwa—a nonbinding legal opinion in Islamic law—issued against ISIS according to Ashwani Kumar writing in Khaleej Times.   The document, a copy of which is held in the United Arab Emirates National Archives, was a commission to all Indian Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama to raise awareness against terrorism.  At the time of the fatwa, Abubakr did not hold the title of Grand Mufti since his election to the office came on 24 February 2019.  He has also issued fatwas a second time against ISIS and against other  terrorist groups.
 * ===On CAB and CAA===
 * Musliyar opposed the Citizenship Amendment Bill and Citizenship Amendment Act,  and he organised and attended in many protests against the act.   He did not support the hartal was organised by SDPI  and said the hartal is needless.   He visited the family members of protesters killed in police firing at Mangalore to express his condolences. He was widely criticized for his stand on protesting women against the CAA. He stated that "women shouldn’t hit streets against CAA, and shouldn't raise slogans or clench fists."
 * ===On Babri Masjid Verdict===
 * Musliyar appealed to the Islamic Community of India to welcome the Supreme Court verdict in the Babri Masjid dispute case before the verdict and accepted after. He said "We respect the Supreme Court. Everyone must strive for peace in India. The victory or defeat over the Babri Masjid incident may be significant to every party, but the protection of India and its sovereignty is much more important." "Babri Masjid is a place of worship for Muslims, but equally important is that all people live peacefully in India."
 * ===Citizenship Amendment Act===
 * He met both the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, and Minister of Home Affairs, Amit Shah, at their offices on 20 March 2020 and urged them to amend the Citizenship Amendment Act and National Register of Citizens to remove religion from the list of eligibility criteria for citizenship. has-been-deliberately-distorted-says-kanthapuram/article7935554.ece |access-date=2022-03-04 |issn=0971-751X |quote=[Kanthapuram] reiterated the plain fact that “only woman can give birth.”}} Neutralhappy (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your Wall of text is not proving anything. I will suggest you to stop buldgeoning. MEMRI is clearly an R. S and onus is upon you to prove it is not reliable. Anyways you are going against consensus here. Okoslavia (talk) 17:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Consensus is clearly that Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed is not a Barelvi. All reliable sources refers to him as a Sunni. As for MEMRI, it appears that MEMRI needed to blame maximum Muslims for the alleged false statement of Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed. So they appeared to have added Barelwi to it.
 * Even the said MEMRI report is a fake news.
 * By referring; Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed, other Kerala Sunnis and Sunni organisations originated from Kerala which have nothing to do with; the Barelvi movement as a Barelvi, even the very definition of Barelvi or the Barelvi movement is undermined.
 * Also please do not forget to read my earlier replies. Neutralhappy (talk) 18:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)