User talk:Quainiac/draft Sherlock Holmes the musical

Found the cover art on http://www.amazon.com/Sherlock-Holmes-Musical-Bristol-Production/dp/B000025HYH/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1348083293&sr=8-13&keywords=sherlock+holmes%3A+the+musical. Hopefully we will be able to purchase/find the libretto and soundtrack soon to make our lives a little easier in terms of summarizing the show. Quainiac (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Topic: Why should this be a Wikipedia article?
The current Sherlock Holmes: The Musical article is classified as a stub. Currently, this is what exists in the article:
 * brief intro
 * original cast
 * song list

This can be vastly expanded on. Sherlock Holmes is a popular topic, a character that has stood the test of time and who has seen a surge in popularity among young people due to the two Sherlock Holmes movies starring Robert Downey Jr. and the new BBC television show, Sherlock. Although the musical did not receive great critical acclaim or run for very long, it is an important piece of the Sherlock Holmes universe that fans should be able to easily find out about.

Many theatre fans use Wikipedia as a reference when choosing shows to see, audition for, or even produce, whether it be professionally or at a school/community level. It is important for Wikipedia to keep accurate accounts of shows such as Sherlock Holmes: The Musical, complete with production history as well as song lists/plot summaries, so that those interested can find the information they need on Wikipedia.


 * This is a good justification! LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Article Sections
'''What sections are you planning to write? How do you make sure the article is comprehensive and feasible within the time frame and resources you have?'''
 * Productions
 * Original West End Production
 * Old Vic Revival
 * US Revival: The Revenge of Sherlock Holmes
 * Plot
 * Cast
 * Musical Numbers
 * Awards and Nominations
 * Critical Response
 * Related Musicals
 * Baker Street
 * holmesthemusical.com
 * References
 * External Links


 * In addition to defining the sections, you need to be more descriptive in what each section will include. Some of these are covered below, but for those that aren't, you need to provide more explanation and justification of what will go into each section and where you will get the information for it. LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Other article elements. What other elements are you going to put in the article - side box, images, etc.? Where are you going to obtain the images or information for the side box?
We will update the existing sidebar to include elements such as Producer, Composer, Director, Set Designer, Costume Designer, length of run, theatre location/address, etc. Additionally, we will include relevant photos such as the show's poster advertisement, pictures of cast members/rehearsals, and pictures of the live staged production. Our article will also provide links to other Wikipedia pages. For instance, names of notable actors/actresses will have links to their respective Wikipedia pages.

Musical Numbers

 * Act I
 * Sherlock Holmes "Watson, Mrs Hudson, Wiggins, Irregulars & Company"
 * Without Him, There Can Be No Me "Holmes, Watson"
 * Anything You Want to Know "Irregulars"
 * Look Around You (revival cast only - Robert Powell) "Holmes, Watson, Lestrade"
 * London Is London "Wiggins, Mossop, Bella & Company"
 * Her Face "Watson"
 * Men Like You "Holmes, Bella"
 * A Lousy Life "Mrs. Hudson"
 * I Shall Find Her "Holmes, Bella, Watson, Wiggins, Irregulars & Company"


 * Act II
 * Vendetta "Bella, Mrs. Moriarty"
 * Sherlock Holmes (Reprise) "Watson, Mrs Hudson, Wiggins, irregulars & Company"
 * No Reason "Holmes"
 * Halcyon Days "Watson, Boffy"
 * Without Him, There Can Be No Me (reprise - Bella) "Bella"
 * The Lord Abides In London (Revival cast) "Bella, Salvation Army, Regulars"
 * Down the Apples 'n' Pears "Costermonger, Bella & Company"
 * We Shall Find Her
 * My Incomparable Best (Revival cast)
 * A Million Years Ago - Or Was It Yesterday? "Bella, Moriarty"
 * The Best Of You, The Best Of Me "Holmes, Bella"
 * Finale - Sherlock Holmes "Company"

JPierre679 (talk) 00:36, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Old Vic Revival
Starting on March 6, 1993, a revival of Sherlock Holmes: The Musical ran in The Old Vic Theatre in London, England. The revival featured a completely new cast as well as three new musical numbers. Besides those minor changes, the revival run remained fairly similar to the original production and Sir Author Conan Doyle's characters. The Old Vic Theatre, located a 192 year old building located on the corner of The Cut and Waterloo Road, prides itself in bringing to audiences a wide variety of artistic talent and high quality performances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JPierre679 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Critical Response
Critical response to the show's original production was largely negative. Donald Cooper, a reviewer from the London Times, describes writer Leslie Bricusse as, "a man with a stream of melodies behind him but currently swirled, on the evidence of this show, into a melodic backwater."


 * This will need to be referenced to the appropriate location, possibly with links to other Wikipedia articles for Donald Cooper and Leslie Bricusse. LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Division of labor: what will each group member do?
Productions

Old Vic Revival- Jen P.   Plot- Amanda Cast- Jen D.   Musical Numbers- Jen P.     Awards and Nominations- Jen P.    Critical Response - Amanda Related Musicals Baker Street - Amanda holmesthemusical.com Jen D.


 * Do you also have designated members who will be in charge of formatting, styling, etc.? LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:28, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

=Instructor's Feedback= This is a great topic to expand and you have some good ideas of where to take this article and how to improve it.

It is important that you separate between what goes on the article page itself - the infobox, for example, and what goes on the talk page - all discussions, explanations and descriptions of what should be the contents of the article itself.

Also, you need to be careful about using formatting and styles. Currently you have a giant section heading that jumbles up the table of contents at the top of the page.

Good luck! LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:34, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Related Musicals

 * Holmes! The Musical

Sherlock Holmes The Musical is not the only of its kind to have adapted the story of Sherlock Holmes into a musical style production. In March 2002, lyricist Brett Nicholson and composer Hans Vollrath hosted NYC readings of their production: Holmes! The Musical. The two met through their jobs in Walt Disney World in 1995 and began collaborating on Holmes! The Musical five years prior to the mentioned NY readings. The show had workshop presentations in Florida prior to coming to NYC, and a website was launched on its behalf in 1998: www.holmesthemusical.com. The show was based heavily off of Arthur Conan Doyle's character, with music that Vollrath described as a cross between Sweeney Todd and Les Miserables.

Jnd1091 (talk) 03:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Also, going to add Baker Street the musical, a later production based off of the character Sherlock Holmes

Jnd1091 (talk) 03:33, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Baker Street the Musical

Baker Street the Musical opened on February 16, 1965 and was based off of the Sherlock Holmes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The book was written by Jerome Coopersmith with music and lyrics by Marian Grudeff and Raymond Jessel. It opened at the Broadway Theatre on Broadway and 53rd street and stared Fritz Weaver as Sherlock Holmes, Peter Sallis as Dr. Watson, Martin Gabel as Professor Moriarty and Inga Sweson as Irene Adler. NYT reviewer Howard Taubman commented that the production took liberties from the original stories that avid fans of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s writing may not appreciate. However, he speaks highly of the productions’ main players and offers an overall positive review. Jnd1091 (talk) 15:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I added the Baker Street section and linked to relevant names/theatres with external pages Jnd1091 (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Cast
Ron Moody - Sherlock Holmes

Derek Waring - Dr Watson

Liz Robertson - Bella Spellgrove

Eileen Battye - Mrs Moriarty

Roger Llewellyn - Inspector Lestrade

Julia Sutton - Mrs Hudson

Colin Bennett- Boffy Martingdale

Elena Ferrari - Duchess of Monmouth

Lewis Barber - Sir Jevons Jarndyce

Terry Williams - Professor Moriarty

James Francis-Johnston - Fred Wiggins

Derek Cullen - Harry Mossop

Jamie Hinde - Potatoes Clark

Luke Hope - Billy Higgins

Paul Loxton - Lofty Daniel

Stephen Matthews - Mick O'Reilly

Hoping to find more cast information, especially the original cast of the US Revival: THe Revenge of Sherlock Holmes

Jnd1091 (talk) 03:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I edited the cast list to link actors' names to specific pages about their work Jnd1091 (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Observer 1
Your project looks great so far. I really like your topic, and that is neat that there is a Sherlock Holmes WikiProject. It seems as though you also have a good idea of the comprehensive content that you will include. As a suggestion, I think that you should elaborate more on the Critical Response that this musical originally received. It might be helpful to include not only the critical response, but also the positive elements that were noted as well. Further, I think that it could also be beneficial to include some possible artists names under the song list. That way if the reader wanted to look up the songs, they could more easily find the correct songs. Lastly, there are probably other WikiProjects out there that you could link to. Here is the link for WikiProject Theater for example. Overall, it looks like you are off to a great start! Commse (talk) 00:29, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your comments! Jnd1091 (talk) 15:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Observer 2
Interesting choice for a subject! I see you guys haven't posted on theWikiProject Theater, I would heartily recommend trying also trying to enlist their aid as it seems the Sherlock Holmes wiki project people seem to be a bit less responsive. Also it seems that the image that you guys are using might be against Wikipedia's policies, please try to make sure the images you find are through Wikimedia commons. If one of you own's the image that is on this page just upload it through Wikimedia Commons and you should not have any further problems with it. I tried to find some pictures for you guys to use but unfortunately I failed to find anything directly related to the music, here is a database of using Sherlock Holmes pictures though Sherlock Holmes Wikimedia Commons Album. I hope that helps!

Racoon42 (talk) 17:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your feedback, we will try taking those suggestions into consideration! JPierre679 (talk) 00:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)