User talk:Quarl/Archive 2007-04

WikiProject Microformats
You might like to be aware of, or even join, WikiProject Microformats. Andy Mabbett 11:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-02 11:20Z 

Suspected sock puppets/Marlon.sahetapy


Quarl.. See above my reply.

Again, please unblock Brasileiro1969 as it is an improper block

1. I am not a SP 2. you have COI! you can't participant and arbiter in the same discussion as arbiter; this makes you seem to collude with other members most notably [Username:aLii] 3. you acted rashly: no explanation, no escalated warnings 4. you acted on the very last day the case was up for review. again COI

WP:COI

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revivo (talk • contribs) 14:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC).


 * The case Suspected sock puppets/Marlon.sahetapy has now been closed by an uninvolved admin, and all accounts are now blocked. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-02 11:19Z 

Following what process? What with a simple quick browse and a "I agree" whilst I should not have been blocked in the first place? You have COI, abused it, blocked a wrong user and you are not even willing to reconsider your actions. I cannot accept that.

Now procedure requires me to discuss this with you first, but you are not even willing to discuss or disclose in detail why you feel I should have been blocked as well. Your only contribution on the SP page is along the lines of: Yes, I agree he deleted one of my edits as well and 'blocked' after your friend aLlii complained to you. I request you to unblock Brasileiro1969 or to provide conclusive evidence properly outlining a case rather than simply shouting "I agree! he deleted one of my edits as well".


 * The accounts made near identical (or exactly identical in some cases) edits, to the same articles; they used the same writing style, and shared in harassing User:Stubacca. I suggest you reread Quarl's comment; he was merely saying that he would rather someone else block you, as you had reverted one of his edits; he was not using that reversion against you. For the record, I support the block, even if only due to your disruption. Oh, and new account blocked; please contest the original block (with unblock or by e-mailing unblock-en-l rather than creating new accounts and continuing along with edits like . (Still have your usertalk on my watchlist, Quarl :P) -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Consumed! :) —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-07 07:24Z

Coor_new latest
Do you think Template talk:Coor dms has been out to consultation for long enough, now? Andy Mabbett 23:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. I have gone ahead and rolled out the changes. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-02 11:32Z 
 * Superb work! Thank you so much for your cooperation. Andy Mabbett 13:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Redirect
You obviously generally know what you are doing, so I'm asking instead of plunging in myself: with this edit, did you really mean to remove all the interwikis? - Jmabel | Talk 05:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Jmabel, thanks for asking. Look more closely: the interwikis are still on the page :)  Hint: Template:Redirect/doc. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-02 11:16Z 

WP:RFA/Anthony.bradbury 2
Thank you for your support in my recent successful RfA. --Anthony.bradbury 19:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Random sig comment
Okay, so I'm odd about people's signatures. I saw yours on an RfA and realized that the code could be condensed a bit.

Instead of this:

you could use this:

It gets rid of the extra span tag and uses &lt;em&gt; instead of &lt;i&gt;, which has been depreciated. You'd also be saving a whopping 11 characters (140 vs. 129).

Use it, ignore it, doesn't matter; like I said, I'm odd. ;) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 15:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Great idea, thank you! As you can see from the signature at the end of this sentence, I'm now using your suggestion: —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-04 12:06Z
 * Excellent. :) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 14:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Coord changes reverted
Please see discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Andy Mabbett 21:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It was recommended I contact you regarding this, as a courtesy as you closed the AfD. A couple of weeks ago the possibility of resurrecting the Patrick Kelly article was raised as there's possibility for expansion from books, which I'm now in possession of but wasn't at the time of the AfD, hence my preferred option at the time being a merge. Per this ANI report and related checkuser, three of the four delete !votes were from the same person also. According to this DRV log merges are an editorial decision anyway, so it wouldn't be necessary to take it to DRV to recreate the article as far as I'm aware? However the Patrick Kelly page has now been rightly changed to a disambiguation page, and I know there will be GFDL problems if I just copy and paste the old article into a new page. Is it possible to recreate the article, and if so would it be possible for you to do a history merge to say Patrick Kelly (Irish republican) please? One Night In Hackney 303 00:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the message. I have invalidated the AFD per the RFCU results.  Thank you for thinking about the GFDL attribution issues, I have done a history-split so that the history of the disambig and IRA pages are at the proper places.  The new article now lives at Patrick Joseph Kelly. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-04 12:35Z


 * Great, thanks for the help. With reference to the message below regarding the related AfDs (detailed in the checkuser) I'm not convinced the articles should be resurrected as there isn't enough source material for standalone articles, as you can see here.  One Night In Hackney 303 12:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Patrick Kelly and Loughgall Page Hi, I see that you've invalidated the results of the poll for the Patrick Kelly page due to sockpuppetry, are any of the other AfD pages for the other members of the unit now invalid also?GiollaUidir 12:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC) (Update, apologies-hadn't noticed there was already this section on your talk page. GiollaUidir 13:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC))


 * Thanks GiollaUidir and OneNightInHackney for input regarding related AFDs. If any others were plagued by sockpuppetry, please let me know which ones, and list the sockpuppets.  Otherwise, since there's disagreement, I won't summarily invalidate them.  However, since fishy stuff has happened in the Patrick Kelly case, I wouldn't mind if you un-merged one of the others (start with one) and opened a new AFD.  Assuming the others aren't in the same boat of being overwritten by a different article, then it doesn't require admin powers to do it. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-04 13:00Z


 * The other AfDs are listed in the checkuser, and the same sockpuppets are involved to the same extent. However given the amount of source material available for the articles in question (merged versions can be seen here) I do think they are better off merged at present, so I don't see a good reason to change the decision of the AfDs based on a technicality, when there isn't enough information available for standalone articles. One Night In Hackney 303 13:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(DRV discussion)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Zeotrope Theater. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Herostratus 05:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-04 13:04Z

Articles Frederique Constant & Peter Stas
After you closed this discussion, Kinslayer proposed to change his opinion. Asked if he could review new drafts, but did not receive answer. Believe notability of Frederique Constant as Watch Manufacturer was established and accepted, please see draft and [|this]. What do you suggest to do? Please assist if possible. Pcstas 18:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Pcstats, thank you for the message. I recommend opening a Deletion review request.  It will help your case if you link the DRV to the new draft, especially if it substantially improves upon the previous version. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-04 12:44Z
 * Have opened a DRV as per your recommendation: An editor has asked for a deletion review of Frederique_Constant. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Pcstas 13:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-07 07:20Z

Coord progress
Hi,

I can see that you're working hard on the Coord issues. When you have a minute, please can you pop onto its talk page, and let us know how things are progressing, to reassure those with concerns? Thank you. Andy Mabbett 07:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Note that, in decimal lat/long coordinates, 55.1200 != 55.12; the former is precise to four decimal places; the latter to two. Isn't this fun! Andy Mabbett 09:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the messages while I was working (some of which disappeared), for the record, concerns addressed and updates at Template talk:Coord —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-04 11:50Z 


 * Yes, I wiped a couple as the issues were resolved. Thanks again. Andy Mabbett 12:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

coord is being discussed on Wiki Commons Andy Mabbett 19:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * And thank you again for your latest work - nine templates rolled into one, with addiitional functionality is something to be proud of. Andy Mabbett 07:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-07 07:30Z

WP:RFA/Cla68
Thank you for the support vote in my recent RfA. Although it wasn't successful I appreciate your vote of confidence. Anyway, I'm continuing on with editing Pacific War-related articles and hopefully you'll see several of them on the FA nominations page in the future. Cla68 23:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Bug in examplerow template?
I think there may be a bug in your "examplerow" template. Please see the Birmingham example on Template:Coord/doc, which appears in line, but not in the title, when in et table, and works OK stand-alone (see below the table). Andy Mabbett 07:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it doesn't support named parameters yet; it'd be hard. It would be kind of confusing to use a display=title or display=inline,title in the example table anyway since you can't tell from the table that the coordinate is going up to the title.  You can juse use a manual &lt;tr>&lt;td>...&lt;/td>&lt;td>...&lt;/td>&lt;&lt;/tr> and for the second column use the display=inline version but write something like "(both inline and at title)". —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-07 07:44Z
 * Done. Thanks. Andy Mabbett 08:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

You deleted my contribution of Australian Band 'Upfunk Creek'. If you read my more recent edit, I included competition wins, a review, and their placement in the Charts and yet you still chose to delete it. I would like it put back up. It was very unfair! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprightliful (talk • contribs)
 * Hi Sprightliful, thanks for writing regarding my closing of Articles for deletion/Upfunk Creek. If you wish to contest the closure, please open a Deletion review request.  —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-08 10:09Z

undeletion?
Thank you for your closing of Rodnoi Ugolok-in your summary, you mentioned articles can be undeleted. is that possible? Chris 08:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Kintetsubuffalo, yes, it is possible to undelete articles. Administrators have an "undelete" button.  Therefore a more accurate name for what is usually called "deleting articles" on Wikipedia would be "hiding articles from non-administrators".  Please see WP:UNDELETE for more information.  —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-08 10:14Z



I would like to debate pointing the "365 days photo project " to "photo essays". Photo essays is as unique as a 365 days photo project. In a 365 days photo project, one posts a photo every day for 1 whole year. In a photo essays, a story is woven around a series of photos of an single event or story. There are many examples of the 365 photo project, but not as many as photo essays, since 365 days photo project is relatively a new concept. Only a handful (perhaps less then 100) people are running this successfully. Yes they do post on blogs, but its only photos, so there is no doubt of any authenticity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adityabhelke (talk • contribs) 14:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Hi Adityabhelke, thanks for the message. The AFD certainly can't be closed as Keep, but it can be changed from Redirect to Delete if you think that is necessary.  If it's not appropriate to group 365 days photo project under photo essay, it might be worth rewriting a new article generic enough to cover all such things. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-12 07:30Z



Given how many times this article has been deleted and reposted, should it be protected against re-creation? Michaelbusch 18:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Michaelbusch, thanks for the concern; actually when I said it had been deleted 6 times before it was an unsuccessful attempt at humour, referring to the thesis of the subject of the article that everything that happens on Earth has happened 6 times already. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-12 07:26Z

Thank you
Thank you for your guidance in the RfA process, Quarl. I would not have applied if it wasn't for your help. If you have any feedback or advice for me, I hope you won't heistate to share it. -- Mikeblas 14:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

coord latest
It gets better and better! Thank you. You might want to protect Coor link, and any other such sub-templates. Andy Mabbett 08:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I protected that and turned on cascading protection on Template:Coord, that should take care of it. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-12 19:22Z

RFA/Black Falcon
If regular users are allowed to give input in this process, please let me know when Black Falcon will come up for this distinction. I have found him to possess the qualities that an admin should have and I would like to have the opportunity to express that view to any reviewing/voting panel. His adminship could only enrich wikipedia. Thank you. Bbagot 16:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Bbagot, thanks for the message. Yes, non-admins are warmly welcomed to voice their opinions at RFA.  Non-admins can nominate as well (though who the nominator is sometimes matters).  I offered to nominate Black Falcon a while ago, but he said he would like to wait a while, possibly until April.  I prefer not to pester people about adminship, so I'm waiting for him to say when he's ready.  If I end up nominating him I'll drop you a note so you can add your comments. —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-12 20:00Z
 * Thank you. I look forward to when his nomination will occur.  Please keep me posted. Bbagot 16:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Internet shorthand notation
I am curious why you relisted this. It looks like there was clear consensus for deletion because no sources exist. CMummert · talk 12:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it's rather improper to participate in an AFD discussion and then relist it. --C S (Talk) 13:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your concern. I take potential conflict of interest or the appearance of such seriously.  But I don't see a big problem here.  I relist many AFDs and occasionally make a comment to introduce new information in the same AFD.  In this case an extremely relevant potential redirect/merge target didn't exist when all the other participants had looked at the article.  Redirect is in line with what some participants said and possibly supercedes some of the other comments.  In rare circumstances in the past I have even added my own opinion against prior consensus and simultaneously relisted when I believed it was appropriate  , and it has turned out well.  Anyway, relisting of AFD debates is an unbureaucratic process that non-admins in good standing are welcome to do as well, and I don't think simultaneously relisting and commenting is inherently improper.  Does this address your concern? —Quarl (talk) 2007-04-14 03:30Z


 * I thought it was somewhat irregular. The other AFDs you cite had only one or two comments, so relisting was probably appropriate. In this case there were more than enough comments to reach a decision. Even in the other AFDs, I think it is improper to relist and simultaneously state an opinion. CMummert · talk 14:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments. I have started a thread at WT:AFD to get wider input from the community; if others agree with you that this should be disallowed then I am in favor of codifying such a rule.  Please do add your thoughts there.  Regards, <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-16 01:05Z


 * Thanks for initiating the thread. I am interested to see how it turns out.  --C S (Talk) 22:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Update: so far 7 admins have commented and consensus is that it's not a conflict of interest. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-16 20:59Z


 * Getting some external input was very reasonable. I believe you're right that consensus supports commenting and relisting at the same time. CMummert · talk 22:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Help for it:Template:Coor link
I, I'm an italian wikipedian. On it.wiki we have some templates for the geo coordinates, but they are old, and we want only one template like your Template:Coord. We have some problem on it:Template:Coor link, I don't know why, but the behaviour it's different from yours. Can you help us? You can use one of my sandboxes: it:Utente:Wiso/Sandbox/Uno. Thanks --WISo 18:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi WISo, thanks for the message. I believe you need to copy the CSS classes, from MediaWiki:Common.css to it:MediaWiki:Common.css.  The relevant ones are named <tt>geo-*</tt>, <tt>geo</tt>, <tt>longitude</tt> and <tt>latitude</tt>.  Note that the names of the latter 3 shouldn't be changed since they are used by the Geo microformat.  You can find my explanation of it at MediaWiki talk:Common.css. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-16 01:11Z


 * Thanks very much... I think I need your help in future --WISo 17:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't modify the it:MediaWiki:Common.css, administrator are very slow... so I have added the following line to my it:Utente:Wiso/monobook.css:

.geo-default { display: inline; } .geo-nondefault { display: none; }

.geo-dms { display: inline; } .geo-dec { display: inline; } .geo-multi-punct { display: none; }

.longitude .latitude { white-space: nowrap; }

.geo { }

I have purge/reload all but nothing change in it:Utente:Wiso/Sandbox/Uno!
 * Mmmm (thinking)... something stange... I have delete all in my it:Utente:Wiso/monobook.css, except your code and it work: in it:Utente:Wiso/Sandbox/Uno I see: Coordinates: 12°34′N 45°33′W as it would be. Do you know why? --WISo 15:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm stupid. In my old monobook.css there is a /* not closed. Sorry --WISo 15:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I need another help. We are going to import the class on common.css, but we need also the coordinates class that is in MediaWiki:Monobook.css. We have to copy it in all css syle (classic, chick...)? Thanks --WISo 14:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi WISo, if you mean "#coordinates", yes, that's needed for {coord ...|display=title} as well as the old {coor title dms} templates. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-21 08:50Z


 * Look at this page Xiamen, there is a partial sovrapposition of the box "Early registration for Wikimania 2007 is open" and the coordinates (display=title)--WISo 11:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC).


 * A screenshot here it:Immagine:Coord.jpg --WISo 22:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think that's unavoidable with the current use of CSS absolute positioning. The whole thing could be done better with Javascript, or better yet a MediaWiki extension to allow this kind of non-linear markup. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-27 11:12Z


 * Have you some ideas? Change the css? On it.wiki somebody are not happy of this sovrapposition. --WISo 14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You can change the top: rule for the #coordinate CSS style. It varies per skin and possibly font size.  You can experiment in your personal monobook.css to find the right height, then ask an administrator to change the global definition.  When the Wikimania notice goes away it'd have to be changed back.  This problem isn't specific to Coord, it also applies to the old Coor title templates as well. Regards, <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-28 07:01Z

Template:Infobox UK station
FYI, Infobox UK station now uses coord. Example on Birmingham New Street station. Andy Mabbett 21:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 01:23Z

And now, Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell is the first FA to use them, both "title" and "inline". Andy Mabbett 10:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Birth date templates and hcard microformat
Would you be interested in working with me, to adapt birth date and birth date and age so that they output dates in the YYYY-MM-DD format needed by the hcard microformat? I think something like the styles used for alternative versions of coordinates might do it, since WP disables the "abbr" element. We need something like:


 * 16 April 1960 1960-04-16

and would have to consider how that could be made acceptable to non-CSS users. Happy to explain further if needed. Andy Mabbett 22:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That is the "ISO" date format, to use the standard name. --Lexein 01:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

✅ <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 01:48Z


 * Thank you. That seems to work in many cases, but I added July 12, 1895 (July 12, 1895) to Buckminster Fuller and it gave an error; displaying as it does here. (somebody else fixed it) Andy Mabbett 10:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's a challenge: OldStyleDate & OldStyleDateDY. See also Old Style and New Style dates Andy Mabbett 16:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like the input to those templates is strings such as "April 20"; that would be hard to get working until the #time ParserFunction supports dates before 1970. Maybe you can bug the developers to support that :) <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-21 08:52Z


 * I'll look into that shortly. Meanwhile could you work the magic on Euro birth date and age, please? Andy Mabbett 23:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-23 10:13Z


 * Thank you. Andy Mabbett 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Gizmo Logic Studios Inc.
For some reason I missed the discussion of AfD for this article. Anyways, I wanted to know if I can get a copy via email of Talk:Gizmo Logic Studios Inc. at its longest. That'll teach me to carry on long deletion discussions on article Talk pages. --Lexein 00:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ No problem, I've copied the content to User:Lexein/Talk:Gizmo Logic Studios Inc.. When you no longer want it you can get rid of it by putting db-user on it. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 01:22Z
 * Thanks--Lexein 23:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

coord: Questions and possible errors
FYI: Template talk:Coord. Andy Mabbett 21:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting to work so quickly. I hope that the coords in Manchester Ship Canal are broken by something you're working on, and not a separate bug..? (fixed) Andy Mabbett 21:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

✅ Thanks for the message. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 01:17Z


 * Yet another, very big, thank you! Andy Mabbett 08:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Cite mailinglist
Template:Cite mailinglist has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — grendel|khan 16:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-21 08:46Z

You kept an AfD and closed discussion early against the majority will of the contributors. What are you trying to prove?Proudlyhumble07 01:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message regarding . The nominator of this AFD was apparently trying to prove a WP:POINT about murder victims (due to the recent closure of AFDs regarding Virginia Tech massacre victims) and disrupting Wikipedia by indiscriminately nominating many murder victims for deletion, such as, .  Please see the WP:AN/I post about the incident.  I speedy-closed many of them as either "Keep" or "Dismissed" to minimize the disruption, but I left open the non-obvious ones.  A less patient admin might have dismissed all of the nominations and sanctioned the user. AFD is not decided by simple majority vote, so the fact that there was one nominator plus one "vote" for deletion is irrelevant.  The single Keep comment contained a strong argument while the nomination and Delete comment were weak arguments.  If you would like to dispute this closure, your recourse is to open a Deletion review request.  Regards, <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-23 10:08Z

coord leaves Earth orbit!
FYI: Coordinate template for non-terrestrial bodies. Andy Mabbett 13:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-23 10:21Z

wikihermitalert
Could you move this to WP:DEFCON as request by myself and here? Its the images at the bottom that need moved. Thanks! Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť (Talk) 03:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message, Wikihermit. It looks like the TFD is still in progress, so I would just wait for it to complete.  If you want the template speedy-deleted you can use db-user assuming you're the sole contributor.  If you want to create your own DEFCON style you can follow the directions at Template:Wdefcon and then modify Template:Wdefcon/doc directly, which isn't protected. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-23 10:25Z

ZydeIsland (on DRV)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of zydeisland. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Ikahootz 18:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-24 10:00Z

Coord CSS sisues
coord is displaying oddly in the Classic Chick and Nostalgia skins; see Image:WP Screenshot - Infobox Uk Station.PNG. Andy Mabbett 16:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-26 03:42Z

Oldafdfull
Hi Quarl. Template:Oldafdfull recently was amended to read "This article was nominated for deletion in the past." The phrase "in the past" is redundant to "was nominated." Perhaps it should read "This article was nominated for deletion on xx/xx/xxxx." with xx/xx/xxxx being the date of the nomination. On a different point, what about adding a DRV parameter to Oldrfafull as I proposed here?. For example, if the AfD is taken to DRV, then perhaps that should be noted in the Olddrvfull template. DRVs have a template, Template:Olddrvfull, which is not used much. -- Jreferee 16:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Jreferee, thanks for the message. Oldafdfull already shows the date if you use date=, which is recommended.  If you have a particular change in mind for the dateless version, please suggest it.  I think multidel already does what you suggest for DRV. <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-26 03:57Z

Coord protection
Why is the above template constantly protected? You are the only editor, and the admin who protects it. Why can't the rest of us tweak it? Is this an abuse of admin privilages?  L.J.Skinner wot 00:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No it's not an abuse of admin privileges: please WP:AGF. It's perfectly reasonable, and common, for a template used on so many thousands of pages to be protected, to prevent wide-spread damage from vandalism or incompetent editors. If you want to make changes to it, you should describe them in detail (usually by providing the code you would like implement, labelled with editprotected, on the template's talk page. That way, other editors can comment on the proposed changes first, to make sure that no harm is being done. I'm sure you can appreciate why this approach is sensible. Andy Mabbett 08:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Provert
The article for Provert was deleted and I was looking for a copy for my files. Where can I find a copy? Septagram 21:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Septagram, you can find a copy at: . <em class="user-sig user-Quarl">—Quarl (talk) 2007-04-28 06:56Z

Will it always be there so I can resurrect it when additional proof is found? When that time comes, how does one do that? Also there was a discussion page with info on it. Septagram 14:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

There was also a discussion page with important info on it. How would I retrieve that page? Septagram 18:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I recently went to and it is not there. Has the article moved to another location? Septagram 03:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Autoedit
Hey: I'm really fond of the autoedit summarizer Javascript thing, but I've noticed that whenever I use Lupin's popups, a nasty warning pops up in Firefox from autoedit.js to the effect that it can't do anything (because Lupin's popups are summarizing the action, I guess). You seem to be the maintainer of it, thus my little bug report. --Gwern (contribs) 01:02 30 April 2007 (GMT)

HyperWRT
I was looking around a bit for OpenWRT and noticed it is being forwarded to the router itself. I'm confused, why exactly was it changed to a redirect with a reference to some other article? Am I just too tired to see the connection? -JE 04:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

A little new function for coord
When including the Template:Coord in old infobox there is a problem: the old infobox has the field: latdegree, latminutes, latsecond (for the latitude) and similar for the longitude. So I do in the infobox

°N, °W

If I specify all the fields all is allright, but if I don't specify the second the Coord template see:

°N, °W

and do:

10.33333°N, 10.33333°W

but I want

10.33333°N, 10.33333°W

see for example it:Utente:Wiso/Sandbox/3 the field Coordinate. Is it possibile that the template ignore the blanck fields? --WISo 10:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Science newsletter : Issue II - May 2007
The May 2007 issue of the WikiProject History of Science newsletter has been published. You're receiving this because you are a participant in the History of Science WikiProject. You may read the newsletter or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Yours in discourse--ragesoss 06:33, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:1915 Dance by Rodchenko.jpg
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Another coordinate template
I just found Coor dm NA. Andy Mabbett 10:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Resolved Template
I see you are one of the main editors on a protected template. Could you please remove the unnecessary line break at the end of the template. It would be a better editorial tool if I could use the template in the followed by 5 tildes like this:

✅ yielding ✅ 14:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

instead of like this

yielding 14:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. If this is a problem please respond to my talk page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 14:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Help
Could you un protect International Ballers (G-Unit Radio Part 2), The Fifth Element (G-Unit Radio Part 8), Rep Yo Click (G-Unit Radio Part 19) so i can redirect them to G-Unit discography and should LA American Wasteland (G-Unit Radio West Volume 1) be redirected to G-Unit discography?--Peterm1991 15:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

TSA Peru
Refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TSA_Peru You have deleted the TSA Peru article, and I wasn't conscious of such a decision. The thing is that this is not only a school club about technology, but the representative of TSA in Peru. It is the same as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCTSA

Please let me know if this decision could be revoked and if the page could be put up again. The members of TSA at Peru have been very offended because they felt their privacy and history was just deleted.Misantropo 15:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

hi! i would like some sort of response.Misantropo 03:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Template:Geobox coor
I just tried editing Geobox coor to use coord, but it broke this example:


 * . Any suggestions? Andy Mabbett 11:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * nudge ;-) Andy Mabbett 17:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Addison Elementary School
Would you please explain how you merged Addison Elementary School into Palo Alto Unified School District as you claimed at and decided at Articles for deletion/Addison Elementary School (2nd nomination). I fail to see any information merged. It appears to be a sneaky delete to me.

The point of merging school articles is supposedly to wait until there is enough information to make an article. That means the information is added to the general article until the content is sufficient for a more specific article. Thank you for your reply either here or at my talk page.

Double Blue (Talk) 12:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Roxane LeBrasse
As per AFD Roxane LeBrasse the final result appears to have not been a deletion as you indicated, but rather a redirect. Just letting you know.216.194.0.140 19:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Template-info.svg


I think the 🇦🇩 in Image:Template-info.svg are confusing self-references to mediawiki code. What benefit could an end-user possibly obtain from seeing them as they are reading an article? The original image without them is an internationally recognized symbol. Readers will simply be slowed down as they try to figure out what the braces mean. Would you please remove them from that image on commons? Thank you. 75.18.208.222 11:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Question about deletion
I see that you've deleted the page [CHIC (conference)]. Would you mind saying more specifically why you deleted it? I saw the debate for [CHIC '91], but I thought that this page was more general and did a better job of establishing notability with citations. Thank you. Zatchmort 03:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Force 100% text size in coord's title dislpay
Heads-up: I've suggested a change to coord, so that the title-bar coordinates are always at 100%. Andy Mabbett 17:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Template doc inline
Just wanted to let you know how much I like Template doc inline. It’s a very nice feature that I just discovered and I am using it in several templates. I did have a little trouble at first making it work. I discovered that if the text of the documentation has an equals sign (=) anywhere in the text, you have to put  tags around it so that template will not take the equals sign as part of the parameters. Took me a while to figure that one out! &#9679;DanMS • Talk 17:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Or use the HTML character code &amp;61; instead of &lt;nowiki&gt;=&lt;/nowiki&gt;. &#9679;DanMS • Talk 18:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Black Falcon RFA
I've started an RFA for Black Falcon. Since you had previously offered to nominate him, I thought it would be only fitting that I tell you about it so you can co-nom if you want. It's at Requests for adminship/Black Falcon. Mango juice talk 20:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

RfC
Just wanted to let you know that I opened an RfC on myself in response to the concerns raised during my RfA over my actions in the Gary Weiss dispute. The RfC is located here and I welcome any comments or questions you may have. CLA 12:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed list of aims for the Microformats Project
Please see this discussion of a proposed list of aims for the Microformats Project. Andy Mabbett 22:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Turaga na Rasau
You recently closed a deletion debate to delete this article. Its author asked me to userfy it so that he could fix it; he has rewritten the article extensively and added a large section of sources as well. Since the deletion outcome was "delete until sources found", I believe sufficient sources have now been found to put this back into userspace. I hope this is agreeable to you.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  10:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

PS: I am a jerk I deleted Police Cats!!!!

New Utopia article
The New Utopia article apparently passed an AfD debate, but got deleted somehow and recreated, though it appears to have been deleted before too. Please help resolve this. I think it should be deleted (and redirected to Lazarus Long (micronationalist)(oops, that is a redirect, there used to be a page on the guy)), but I was unable to complete the AfD process because it pointed to the old (unalterable) debate. Hu 17:10, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Element TD Contest
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Element TD. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Karawasa 06:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Coord
Would it be possible to add a name parameter to coord? For instance Anomebot2 is adding coord to many articles eg this one and it would be nice if the location could be named at the same time (eg with the article name as default). I am told that this would be difficult but that your powers are considerable. And of course there are occasions when locations are named in text and it would be nice to add a named inline coord without adding a table. -- roundhouse0 13:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please don't, at least until it is clear how the name property would be used; and that it would not be hidden metadata. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 13:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

. This would be neater if it could simply take its name from the pageName. (Does this example not produce hidden metadata?) -- roundhouse0 16:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A specific example would be Sheffield Cathedral where at present the name + coords are given via


 * Does this example not produce hidden metadata? - No, both the name and coordinates are displayed. Andy Mabbett 17:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The coords display in the title. Where does the name display? -- roundhouse0 17:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wherever the template is used. Andy Mabbett 18:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

. where does "Micky Mouse" appear on the page? -- roundhouse0 19:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If I change Sheffield Cathedral to


 * Wherever the template is used. Andy Mabbett 19:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I see. I am hoping Quarl will show up eventually and explain why one term which I can't see is hidden and another equally invisible one is apparently unhidden. -- roundhouse0 19:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I now do see - it is clunkier than I had thought. Certainly a neater way of adding a name is  required. -- roundhouse0 20:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Tanbur (Persian)
Greetings, you were involved in a discussion concerning the content of Tanbur (Persian). I plan to replace that article with the rewritten text at Tanbur/Temp, and then move Tanbur (Persian) to Tembûr (more details at Talk:Tanbur (Persian)). I would appreciate any constructive criticism or additional assistance you are willing to offer. I completely understand if you already feel weary of the entire matter. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD Re-nominations
Hi, I know you probably don't have a vested interest, but I thought it might be worthwhile to bring to your attention the movements to once again have the "George Bush Pretzel incident" and "Jimmy Carter's Rabbit" deleted as per Articles for deletion/2002 George W. Bush pretzel incident (2nd nomination), when I noticed you were the "deciding vote" shall we say, the first two times both of those articles were nominated (and ended in a "keep" vote). Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 04:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

SF Meetup!
Hello there! Very short notice this time, but Erik Moller is in town and wants to meet Wikimedians, so it seems like a good time.

San Francisco meetup 2 day: July 14, 2007 (tomorrow)! time: 4pm place: downtown SF, specific place tba (possibly the Ferry Building), see meetup page for final confirmation.

Sorry about the short notice and hope to see you there! -- phoebe/ (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of Dryve article
Hello, it appears you were the last person to be involved in the deletion of the article on the band 'Dryve'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dryve_%28second_nomination%29

I was a founding member of this band and would occasionally add current information to the page. It seems the two main points of contention were first, the involvement of a banned wikiuser named Jason Gastrich, and second, is the article's information is unverifiable. I would like to request the article be reinstated on the following grounds-

I can fully verify any and all of the information in the article.

There is sufficient verifiable information to meet the WP/music requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia.

As far as this Jason Gastrich character goes, I do vaguely remember him frequenting the Dryve performances in San Diego and I do believe he briefly played with former Dryve bass player Michael Pratschner after Dryve had disbanded. If he in fact did start the page as one admin claimed, his personal character deficits do not negate the validity of the subject matter of which I looked over quite a bit to insure it's accuracy.

Please contact me if you would like more information.

Keith Andrew Kickstar1@hotmail.com--Kickstar1 22:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Intuitive_Surgical_Logo.gif
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Intuitive_Surgical_Logo.gif. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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Re: Deletion of WritersUA entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/WritersUA I am interested in discussing the deletion of our organization. Your name was one of the ones listed as part of the discussion. Our organization, WritersUA, is part of the technical writing community and provides a unique and valuable service that transcends the for-profit elements of our business. Our web site is highly regarded within our community and we can provide references from numerous notable people within our profession. In addition to a wealth of original content, we offer industry surveys on skills and salaries and provide a resource directory that is much valued by our constituency. All of that is free to the public and provided without vendor advertising. Our single for-profit event is a conference that has been held for fifteen years. In that time it has attracted over 8,000 people from around the world and is one of the very few gatherings of people specifically interested in improving software documentation. I would appreciate the opportunity to discuss this with you at your convenience. Thank you, Joe Welinske, joewe at writersua.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Concrete14 President, WritersUA Resource Directory: http://www.writersua.com/resource.htm 2007 Salary Survey: http://www.writersua.com/surveys/salary07/index.html 2007 Skills Survey: http://www.writersua.com/surveys/skillstech06/index.html -- 19:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Adcopy
A you created, Template:Adcopy,  been marked for deletion as  deprecated and orphaned template. If, after 14 days, there been no objection, the template will be deleted. If you wish to object to deletion, please list your objection here and feel free to remove the  tag from the template. If you feel the deletion appropriate, no further action is necessary. Cheers. --MZMcBride 20:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Old AFD for Westfield North Rocks
You closed the AFD ] as a "merge" back in February, but the article is still there, recreated July 30, 2007 as a "minor edit". Is the present article a recreation of the deleted one, or an entirely new one? Thanks. Edison 00:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Electric Cloud
Electric Cloud, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Electric Cloud satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Electric Cloud and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Electric Cloud during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Calltech 23:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

DVD-R Tools
A tag has been placed on DVD-R Tools, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. The Islander 21:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Science newsletter : Issue III - September 2007
The September 2007 issue of the WikiProject History of Science newsletter has been published. You're receiving this because you are a participant in the History of Science WikiProject. You may read the newsletter or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Yours in discourse--ragesoss 01:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Quarl's punishment, warning and block about deleting the article List of vehicles in Grand Theft Auto series.
You will be blocked soon for what you deleted without permission. So you are making strange edits and deletions on List of vehicles in Grand Theft Auto series. The result was Delete in the Articles for deletion/List of vehicles in Grand Theft Auto series (2nd nomination) article, which was deleted 14:21, on the 28 December 2006. Can an administrator please block him, and recreate the article again by Fiet Nam.

David Haugh
A template has been added to the article David Haugh, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with db-author. B. Wolterding 17:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Eric Elsten
The article posted at [] was deleted. Community members at the site have requested that I request an reversal of the deletion so they may contribute to the article.

192.28.2.6 19:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Fingers 6
An article that you have been involved in editing, Fingers 6, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. --B. Wolterding 17:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Snowclone
Hi Quarl. Running "snowclone" at Wiki stats brought up your name at the top of the list. I just added some further reading links to the Snowclone article. If you have the time, would you please add the material from those resources to the Wikipedia article Snowclone. Thanks. -- Jreferee    t / c  17:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

WritersUA Deletion Review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of WritersUA. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.--Whiteknight (talk) (books) 23:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Balloon fetishism DRV
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Balloon fetishism. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Jreferee    t / c  23:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Medical slang
An article that you have been involved in editing, Medical slang, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Medical slang (2nd nomination). Thank you. Mbisanz (talk) 04:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Chlorophilia
Hi, could you restore this to my user space? Thanks, Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Homer Simpson's lifelong dreams
This too. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

List of people who died in the bathroom
And this. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Emysphilia
And this. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

template coord on dv.wiki
Hi, I hav seen your numerous contributions on the coord teplates. I coudn't create the coord templates as on the English wiki, even the icon of te earth is not visible. The source codes for the dv wiki is same as the english wiki. Please feel free to create an account on Dhivehi Wiki and create the templates for me. You can start from This article. I will be very grateful if u help me on this matter. Thankk you!

--~GlaCiouS~ (talk) 20:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:International Rectifier Logo.gif
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AfD nomination of Aquaria (band)
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