User talk:Questpq

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August 2013
Hello, I'm Gtwfan52. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to St. Louis University High School seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ''This article is to inform the world about this school, not promote it. You are using way too many adjectives'' Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:43, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not certain what this is in reference to, but surely cut whatever adjectives you wish. What puzzles me is your recent deletions. Wiki posted a request for citations. I've tried to help. I've added a little content, but not much. Citations in an internet world are not easy to find, except for very limited domains of interest. This fact biases the adequacy of wikipedia as an encyclopedia. No need to dwell on that. Let's just say that I don't understand "referencing irrelevant info does not make it relevent". The citations are not optimal. But they are not irrelevant. In the internet world for most domains there is not a lot to go on. Please reconsider.Questpq (talk) 12:03, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The point is that the information you are referencing is irrelevant. Not the citations, the information in the article to which you are adding the citations. That may be why you are having a difficult time finding references. Much of the info in the article we are discussing is promotional.  That is not what Wikipedia is for.  Altho you may not be part of the problem, you are not being part of the solution either.  There have been many edits of late, replacing information that does not belong in any high school article.  The info you are citing is some of that information.  A notable people (or Alumni) list is only for people who pass one of the Wikipedia notability standards for biographies, summarized at WP:BIO.  This is an objective standard.  It is not for people that a particular school's administration, or alumni organization, thinks are important.  It is for people whom reliable, independent, second party sources have discussed in detail and at length (ie, have made "note" of).  That is why there are not many academics on a notable alumni list.  They just don't get much press.  If you would like to help clean up the article, that would be welcome.  Realize that what is needed is referencing for information that is not connected to the school.  In the case of notable people, what is needed is referencing that is not in any way connected to them, or to the school (or to a frat they belong to, or the university that employs them, etc.).  Referencing articles a person has written does nothing to show his notability.  What is needed is references to articles written about him.  And FYI, most internet content is not considered reliable sources.


 * I am going to leave you a list of links for newcomers on Wikipedia that can help you learn the ropes. I will also leave you a link to a forum for new users to ask questions about editing.  One thing you need to know, though.  Wikipedia articles are edited by consensus.  For bigger picture things like guidelines for article content, these are reached on a mass basis.  The consensus for what should and shouldn't be in a high school article can be found at WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG.  If you seriously want to help improve the article on St. Louis University High School, please read the guidelines mentioned in the previous sentence and take a look at some of the policies in the links forthcoming.  That article needs a lot of work to eliminate the promotional tone and self referencing.  If you would like to help, it would be appreciated. Gtwfan52 (talk) 07:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Again, welcome! Gtwfan52 (talk) 07:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC) Gtwfan52 (talk) 07:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

re:St. Louis University High School
The st. Louis newspaper is not an unreliable source. However, the other ones are, and I have wasted more than enough time cleaning up after your repeated use of non-WP:RS to care if you have to go back and replace it. It takes much less time simply to revert your shoddy editing that it would to manually remove the bad sources. A newspaper source for a state championship in high school athletics, while reliable, is less than ideal, as most newslinks expire eventually. The state high school athletic association is a much better choice. It is a primary source, but you are not using this source to show the notability of the event. Keep your smarmy edit summaries to yourself in the future please. John from Idegon (talk) 04:37, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that you never attempted to clean up in good faith. You opted for indiscriminate elimination. Your record is clear. But you will carry the day, because you seem to have unlimited reservoirs of time, I don't, and your team sides with you. Sincerely, I feel sorry for you. C'est la vie.Questpq (talk) 16:08, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * NO, sir, I am sorry to disagree. Your only interest is obviously to paint this school as a superfantasticawesome institution, not to describe it in a neutral and detached tone.  This is the only article you edit, and frankly, your agenda is obvious.  Please don't talk to me about  my lack of good faith. I feel absolutely no obligation to spend extra time cleaning up after a WP:SPA who has repeatedly been combative and has refused to accept the common consensuses that have been adopted for school articles. The other editors who have come here all have at least as much if not more experience editing school articles as myself.  Their, and my, agenda is simple: To produce a neutrally written article which describes rather than promotes the above institution. I gave you the link for the state athletic authority.  It would have taken less time to find the proper list and cite it as it did for you to dig up the promotional websites you entered as references.  Your interest is obviously in the school this article is about; my and the other editors who have worked on this article's primary interest is about the quality of this article.  BTW, I have two jobs, and am the single father of a twenty month old son.  Perhaps, if you think others have time on their hands, it is a reflection of your own inability to manage yours.  John from Idegon (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)