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Minor typo
Hi, Quetzal1964!

Two days ago, you added years of description to some vespid genera (here); thanks! Unhappily, you happened to type an extra digit for the last year you added; and since I do not have access to your sources, I cannot correct it. Regards, JoergenB (talk) 14:42, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that, its corrected now. Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:33, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon
Hi. The The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon is planned for March 2020, a contest/editathon to eliminate as many stubs as possible from all 134 counties. Amazon vouchers/book prizes are planned for most articles destubbed from England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland and Northern Ireland and whoever destubs articles from the most counties out of the 134. Sign up on page if interested in participating, hope this will prove to be good fun and productive, we have over 44,000 stubs! I don't know if you work on nature stubs found in the British Isles but as you were so productive in the African Destubathon I thought I should alert you!♦  Dr. Blofeld  12:22, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Tanager
Hi. Can you improve this? I learned very little about it!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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Clackmannan
Hi, can you source the distances in the lead? Use Google maps and check if you can. You might want to archive your talk page sometime, it's huge!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:20, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Done (but I was looking for "as the crow flies" rather than via road) and I have set up an archive. Thanks Quetzal1964 (talk) 15:42, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Crimea Pass
Hi, lulu.com is a "vanity press" source, often using wiki content, can you replace it, cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Done, from Hansard no less. What about Gladsmuir and Andrena barbilabris? I make my counts out as 137 counties (50 England + 33 Scotland + 35 Ireland + 22 Wales) and a total of 168 articles (50 England + 61 Scotland + 22 Wales + 35 Ireland) as @ 17:13 31 March 2020. I will have all the Welsh counties done today and will move onto the island my paternal ancestors came from. Quetzal1964 (talk) 08:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Fergus McFadden. , can you fix dates? Feel free to update the score to whatever is correct.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:44, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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Redeye piranha
Hi, can you improve that? Looks like it should be nuked and restarted!† Encyclopædius  19:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Anthiadinae


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Australiopalpa
Hope you're well. I don't know if this interests you but can you find enough to destub it?† Encyclopædius  10:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything on this genus that isn't behind a paywall. Quetzal1964 (talk) 16:01, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking. Getting tired of paywalls, it's getting ridiculous in the US!† Encyclopædius  16:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What's the paywall? Are you referring to published scholarly articles? If so I can check if I can get access. --SuperJew (talk) 12:22, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I missed your offer of help last month. I'll look into it again and get back to you. Quetzal1964 (talk) 07:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries! Let me know :) --SuperJew (talk) 08:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Classifying fish per country
Was just wondering on what basis are you classifying the country of each fish on the destub challenge? --SuperJew (talk) 12:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If the species is endemic to a country then that is easy, I choose that country. If it is found in more than one country them I may choose the country the type locality is located in, I also may select a country named in the text where the species may be commercially or culturally important. Alternatively, I may pick any country of occurrence, for example if a species distribution is given as the Red Sea then I may pick any of the countries with a Red Sea coastline to allocate the article to. This is the same way of allocating articles on natural history subjects I, and others, have used in previous destubbing challenges. I am supporting this destubbing challenge while updating fish articles and I am currently working through the Perciformes which will take me longer than this summer. Destubbing actually slows this down as I now expand the articles where I can rather than just updating to Speciesbox, citing the iucn template, adding synonyms, etc.. The last one article I destubbed was Epinephelus latifasciatus, which occurs in the Persian Gulf, so I decided to allocate it to Iran. I could have allocated it to Japan where the type locality is, India, Sri Lanka, Australia or Taiwan which are all mentioned in the article or any countries with a coastline on the Red Sea, Gulf of Oman or Persian Gulf, but I chose Iran.Quetzal1964 (talk) 07:35, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks for the explanation :) (I was mostly curious) --SuperJew (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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Re: Science Direct
Science Direct is just a website, it contains all sorts of things. Asking whether it's reliable is like asking whether Google.com is a reliable source. "Science Direct Topics" is merely a collection of automatically generated snippets from random papers. Have you actually read what it is about and could you please tell me under which category of Reliable sources do you think it would fall? Thanks, Nemo 15:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you I looked at it and it claims that it provides "credible, accurate and relevant content", it is a summary of papers. So, if you were to explain it to someone who was, as we say, hard of understanding, you would say that they should cite the papers referred to on the summary rather than the summary, is that correct? Quetzal1964 (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, definitely. Especially as those snippets may vary, so in a year or two the reader may not find at all what you were referring to. I found many such cases already... Nemo 14:23, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

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About Nothonotus starnesi - "Caney Fork Darter"?
The Tennessee Aquarium website identifies Etheostoma starnesi as the common name of "Caney Fork Darter" here. Same species with two common names? Two different species with the same common name, perhaps? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for you comment. For articles on fishes, Wikipedia follows the taxonomy of Fishbase and this puts this species in Nothonotus so E. starnesi is a synonymous binomial. There is some variation among the relevant authorities as to whether Nothonotus is a subgenus of Etheostoma or a valid genus and what species are included.Quetzal1964 (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the your reply! The specific epithet - unlike more generic epithets like "elegans" and so on - "starnesi" would appear to indicate that the species in question was named in honour of a notable ichthyologist. I'll have a little look around and see what I can find. Pete "not an ichthyologist but definitely a queer fish" AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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Great Augusta Foote Arnold Wikipedia Site
Hello Quetzal1964, I like your Augusta Foote Arnold site because I like natural history, just as you do, especially birds, but also the history of natural history via biographies. I have been researching her life and times, as a way to know more deeply the origins of marine biology in the United States.

I am from California, Los Angeles, southern half of the state. Her book discusses California many times, but not as much as the Atlantic coast, as she was from there, so I wish there was more discussion by her about California. Nonetheless, there is a lot, if I also include the marine algae (seaweeds) and I would like to compile and scribe her California writings, so that California naturalists and marine biologists would be more aware of her early work.

Fully 23 years would elapse, nearly 25, until about 1927, when the next book on marine life of the seashore would be written again, by another woman, Myrtle Johnson, a university professor at San Diego State College.

And then, another 10 years before Between Pacific Tides, by Ed Ricketts, who Steinbeck praises and elevates, and I know that book biography of Ed Ricketts.

Both Ed and Myrtle barely mention Augusta Foote Arnold and her book. One feels that you can talk too highly of earlier books for fear that the new book will not be read, and so some ego is involved. Ed is not positive about the book by Johnson as well.

Wondering if you might do a wikipedia site about Blanche Trask?

Thank you for doing the wikipedia site about Augusta Foote Arnold.

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Fascinating Idea for an Article on Extinct Birds of Britain
Hello Quetzal1964, Fascinating/nice to discover that you are working on an article on the Extinct Birds of Britain. I will be interested to know these bird, even if sad to learn about the birds that have gone extinct. Will you be discussing those that disappeared in different geologic time periods with fossils? Will compare the the difference of extirpated versus extinct species? Will you discuss that some of the birds are extant in Europe and can be recovered to Britain? Peace, 'Roy'Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 21:01, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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Anthony Curtiss Red Link in Augusta Foote Arnold
Hello Quetzal,

I did a little research and found a goo biographical article on Anthony Curtiss. Given there is a red link for Anthony Curtiss on the Augusta Foote Arnold biography article, I was wondering if the time is good for a new wikipedia article on Anthony Curtiss, which would allow linking the the two biographies togehter, not unlike was done for Richard Knapp Allen.

I noticed that the blenny mentioned in the Augusta Foote Arnold in the Eponym section, also has an interesting article on the blenny, and there is a red link there about Anthony Curtiss, so a new article would be helpful there. I suspect there may be additional articles where Arnold Curtiss has red links, including articles on birds, butterflies and dragonflies, but I am not absolutely certain.

Here is some bio info on Anthony Curtiss that I found in an article about him. His birth name is Roy Abijah Curtiss, Jr. Birth: May 9, 1910 in New York. Death: July 12, 1981 in Pakistan.

There is a photo of Roy "Anthony" Curtiss as a young man.

I have found verification that Anthony Curtiss did name another species, not a fish, definitely for Augusta Foote Arnold whichis is "sand bug" now more commonly known as "sand crab" in the Hippa Family.

The short bio about Roy "Anthony" Curtiss is by Neal L. Everhuis. He is zoologist at the Bishop Museum in Honolulu, Hawaii. Article Title: Anthony Curtiss (1910-1981): a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Journal Name: Fly Times, Issue 44, April, 2010. Pages 13-16, photo on page 13. Article is onlin pdf at: http://www.nadsdiptera.org/News/FlyTimes/issue44.pdf

I believe we can list the expertise of Anthony Curtiss, not only as a zoologist but also due to his use of native Tahitian peoples names for Tahitian animals, which he learned from interviewing native Tahitian Polynesians, he is also an ethnographer (anthropologist) and an ethnobiologist (ethnozoologist).

Anthony Curtiss married a young Tahitian woman, and she had 7 children with Anthony, whom appear to all have moved back to USA with him, and later to Haiti, and back to the USA.

I hope you agree that there is enough information to begin a wikipedia article about Anthony Curtiss?

I plan to write to Neal Everhuis to see if I can find more information about Anthony Curtiss. And I already wrote to Chris, who is an ichthyologist that was cited in the Augusta Foote Arnold article as a citation/reference for his list of fish with Arnold in Latin in the species epithet, as "arnorldorum" and this is the same species epithet used for the "sand bug" that I listed above, on page 167 of the zoological article by Anthony Curtiss of circa 1938.

Interestingly, Chris wrote back to me, including two pdfs of articles by Arnold Curtiss on Tahiti Zoology. I would like to forward his email and two pdf to you if you are interested, but I would need your email address.

I hope you are well, and enjoying your new puppy. Be safe in these pandemic days.

Peace, 'Roy' Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

By the way, I just completed a 1000th edit, and I got a short note stating, thank you to me for being a good contributer/editor.
 * Have a look at my Sandbox user:Quetzal1964/sandbox. Quetzal1964 (talk) 20:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Quetzal1964. I looked at your Sandbox, much thanks to to you for sharing the link as I am not familiar with Sandbox, but have heard of it, and may have tried to use it for an article 6 months ago, but failed. You are introducing me to more new editing understanding with the Sandbox.

Is the reference citation #3 not used in the right place with respect to geography, Tahiti versus New England?

I am so happy to see the Roy Curtiss bash (have I used the Scots term appropiately?).

I had missed the importance of his grandmother and roots to Islam and Pakistan, which is fascinating.

Lots of good discovery, such as cemetery grave having date of birth different then Fly Times article, albeit only 9 days difference. Use of Latin 'nom plume' is great and new to me, just barely awared of use of this term.

Is there a reason for stopping at Early Years? Possibly still a draft with more to do? Possibly asking me to add some info?

What about the photo?

May I refer to what you have done so far, overall as a bash as well, in Scots language?

With your interest in birds, nice to see that Anthony Curtiss studies birds, and I learned that he may have been the last person to see Tahiti Rail, now extinct. And he learned the Tahitian words for birds. I was saddened to learn that his library and papers were lost in a fire, hopefullly not linked to people of Massachusetts not liking him for his marriage and their children of mixed Tahitian ethnicity. Just sayin, perhaps totally unrelated, given also that Massachusetts is very liberal, not biased so much as other parts of the US.

By the way, I have been reading about fish and crabs at this time, to be more understanding of Anthony Curtiss and his natural history interests

I am very interested in links to Augusta Foote Arnold with regard to invertebrates, including his collecting and finding "sand bugs" which later evoled into being known as "mole crab" or "sand crab" and I have started contacting some crab biologists via email.

What can I do to help you with completing the article for submission?

Peace, 'Roy Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 23:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The article is a work in progress. The citation 3 is there because they mention this publication too. I will finish the drafting over the next few days. However, if you can add anything that you can find and reference then you should do so. If you have a reference for him potentially being the last person to see Tahiti Rail that would be a valuable and interesting addition. Potentially something we could put forward as a Did you know once the article is finished. There is a noted scientist called Roy Curtiss who I think is his son, if you could find something about this that would be helpful too.Quetzal1964 (talk) 13:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Quetzal1964, Ok, I see, and article is looking good. Looking forward to the finish.

I think you are saying that doing editing of what you have written is good for me to do? I would like to help. I noticed that there is redlink in your sandbox, so you do not use that, as it is not created. Just asking. I am not familiar nor keen to add edits there, as writing here works, and I can make edits directly to the draft article in the sandbox.

Sounds very cool to do a Did you know after article was finished on Tahiti Rail.

The son of Anthony Curtiss, named Roy Curtiss III, which I agree may be his son, so someone who I would like to write to here in the USA, to inquire about their relationship, and who would have been born in Tahiti, would be interesting as well. As you show, there is a blue link to this Roy Curtiss III?

In the References/cited section, I could only read the first page of the Zootaxa article link as one of the references by Evehnuis, Ng, and Eldridge in 2011. I would like to read the whole article. I hope and plan to write to all three of them, as their email addresses are provided.

Peace, 'Roy'Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 13:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Quetzal1964 again, I looked again a the sandbox for Anthony Curtiss, and noticed there are two questions and a link to submit the article.

"Finished writing a draft article? Are you ready to request an experienced editor review it for possible inclusion in Wikipedia?"

Do you get to choose the experienced editor, or is that random? I am curious and interested to know how that works?

Peace, 'Roy'Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 14:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I have finished the main drafting of the article.

I do not submit articles for review as I am, I think, an experienced editor, I did once but was told that my articles were of a standard which did not require review. I am using my sandbox because I did not expect to complete the article in one go.

If the photograph has no copyright issues then we can use it but I try to make sure that images are usable within Wikipedia’s policies before using them.

If Roy Curtiss III is Anthony Curtiss’s son then he probably remained in the US when his father went to Morocco as he graduated BSc from Cornell University in 1956. However, he was born in 1934 in New York, so there is some doubt around AC being his father. As I understand it, in America, if you are called Joe Bloggs and you name your son after yourself he is called Joe Bloggs Junior and if he does the same then your grandson is called Joe Bloggs III. Not something we do over here, numerals after names being restricted to monarchs. Quetzal1964 (talk) 17:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Quetzal1964, Congrats finishing the article. I will look at after finishing this reply to you. You are an experienced editor, and I am still junior editor, who has learned from you, thanks. Thanks also, for explaining further about the Sandbox. I agree with you about the photo. I will look into the status of photo rights, when I write to Neal Everhuis, the biologist at Hawaii, who wrote a biography about him that included the photo.

Agreement about Roy Curtiss III. I have seen a photo of him at retirement from University in Arizona. I see a full beard, certainly caucasion/white with no hint to me of mixed heritage with a Tahitian Polynesian mother. Perhaps, his mother was herself mixed with French heritage mixed. I have yet to write to Roy Curtiss III, who if arithmetic of Cornell graduation in 1950s, and photo, would indicate that he is in his 80s, so as a senior, he may not be able to communicate, or not wishing to speak of his family history. I will try later today hopefully to write that email to him.

Peace, 'Roy'Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 17:37, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I have found that his brothers Thomas Quinn Curtiss and Sidney Quinn Curtiss were notable and that Augustus John painted a portrait of his mother. According to newspapers at the time, his mother divorced his father for adultery with his secretary, he died in her home following the divorce. As part of the settlement his mother had a permanent apartment at a fixed rent at the Waldorf Astoria from 1921 to her death in 1974. I also found an obituary for another brother, Franklin, who was a selectman for 10 years and a Republican candidate for state representative in the 4th Berkshire District of Massachusetts in 1992 and who died in 2002. http://www.iberkshires.com/community/printerFriendly.php?ob_id=2374

Quetzal1964 (talk) 18:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Quetzal1964, Fascinating to learn more about the brothers of Anthony Curtiss. Is Augustus John also a brother, as reading the blue link biography as an artist, I did not see any mention of being with Curtiss family, and the surname "John" is not Curtiss. Could he have changed his name as being an artist, and perhaps not liking his father, and is this a reason that Anthony made this given name for himself, to distance from his father. Interesting that there may be a painting portrait by Augustus of his mother, which indicates caring about his mother. Curious to consider if Augustus was a name that links to Augusta Foote Arnold, with possibly their mother liking the seashore and shell collecting and a link to the coast near Massachusetts east coast? Pure speculation and myth and storytelling on my part?

I am interested, by the way, in Berkshire County of western Massachusetts, and visited there one time about 10 years ago, and I have researched biography of Ralph Hoffmann, of a german immigrant family that wrote a Flora of Berkshire County, and wrote many articles on birds of Berkshire County, and wrote a very important birdwatching field guide for northeast England, and became a teacher. I just did this sidebar but not related to the subject at hand of the Curtiss family.

The nice arrangement for their mother to live for a long time at the Waldorf Astoria in New York is fascinating, showing a strong link to her side of the family having been associated with New York. And I recall that the childhood of Anthony Curtiss was in part in New York, and that young Anthonly, perhaps with his mother alongside, visited and explored the American Museum of Natural History?

On and on. I had no idea when I first checked with you about Augusta Foote Arnold that we would go down a path about Anthony Curtiss. Would be nice to learn if the Curtiss family has any traveling that went to California at some point? And did the Curtiss family ever go to England or Scotland or Nederland, possibly Holland at Amsterdam, since they did go to nearby France.

Well, yet again, I have written a long message, and apologize if I am writing too much.

Peace, 'Roy' Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 19:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

The biographical article in Fly Times, if I am not mistaken, hints that Anthony was close to his mother, and she imparted into him about liking nature.


 * Augustus John was a Welsh artist, no relation to the Curtiss family. The mother spent a lot of time as a girl in France and Germany and was fluent in both French and German. She traveled to Europe most of her life. Quinn is an Irish name so I guess she had Irish ancestry. At least two of Anthony’s brothers served in the US Military in World War II. I will post the article now. Quetzal1964 (talk) 20:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Quetzal1964, Did you want me to make some edits prior to posting the article? Or perhaps after posting the article is okay too. Just checking. Peace, 'Roy'Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 20:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * It's posted now so anyone can edit it. If you have sourced information to add, especially after you have e mailed some of the authorities then you should edit it. The picture would be excellent of the copyright is suitable.Quetzal1964 (talk) 20:45, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Great news, Quetzal1964. Thanks. I made few minor edits that are more like proofreading. I like the article very much. Well done, with abundent compliments. I will be able make some blue links to this article from other artices as I review further. And similarly, I can blue link this article to other articles. I hope to get permission for that photo of him to be used.

Peace, 'Roy'Robert Jan van de Hoek (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Adding Links by a neophyte.
Hey Quetzal (bird of Guatemala),

I am rather inexperienced with Wikipedia and so I must ask the  reason for removing the  link to Madagascar in the article Bedotia leucopteron?

Thanks for all you do,

PHIL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Fish (talk • contribs) 02:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for getting in touch. See Manual of Style/Linking Countries and other large, well known geographic entities, like Oceans or Continents, are usually not linked because the assumption is that the reader knows what these are. Overlinking is not a serious faux pas but new editors, including myself, often do it. I saw my Resplendant Quetzals in Costa Rica.Quetzal1964 (talk) 08:09, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Quetzal,

Thanks for the explanation.

I completely see the point of well known geographic entities. But I am guessing if you asked ten people at random, the minority would know where or what Madagascar is. The majority? Maybe they would know it from the Cartoon movies Madagascar.

I'll try not to over link.

Nice corresponding with you.

PHIL

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