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Arsenal Managers
Sally Davis' biography of Henry Morris  has thrown up an interesting item regarding George Morrell. Apparently he resigned on or before 19 April 1915. Arsenal played their last league game of that season on 24 April 1915 but there is no indication of who the manager was. John Peters was shown as having taken over the secretary duties. What do we do with regard to the managers' totals? Do we include this game in Morrell's total - I don't think it should be. Do we list this as an unknown caretaker manager? The obvious choice to take control of team affairs would have been the trainer, George Hardy, but there is nothing to state that he did.

Also, I don't think that Sam Hollis should be included. I'm not sure how his name got into the record books as being Arsenal manager. Take a look at this page from the 1914-15 handbook or this from Bernard Joy's "Forward, Arsenal!" . I can't find any reference to Hollis being "manager" of the team in any of the club's histories. I seem to remember his name appeared in a Rothman's Football Yearbook one year and no one seems to have challenged it. Ignore the bit about Sam Hollis, he's listed on the official club website! --Goonerak (talk) 17:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You are right about "Jock" "Punch" McEwan actually being James McEwen. His role at the start of the season was coach - thinking about it he would be more qualified than the trainer, George Hardy, who would have been more like today's physio. McEwen had also managed Norwich City. I think that the last game should be removed from Morrell's record and should be credited to "Caretaker Manager" with a footnote indicating that it was highly likely that it was McEwen. What do you think?--Goonerak (talk) 18:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm beginning to wish I hadn't started looking into this now. I've just read that George Elcoat was sacked on 25 February 1899. The position of manager was vacant for the rest of the season and I can't find any records of who the trainer was. And then we have other quirks like Jack Crayston & Don Howe actually being appointed caretaker manager for a period before being offered the position on a permanent basis. Looks like I will need to take a trip to the newspaper library.--Goonerak (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've had a look through the official programmes for the 1956-57 season and come up with the following: 18 August 1956 (i.e. first game of the season) - confirmed Whittaker had been ill and not fully recovered over the summer months; Crayston had taken over coaching and training responsibilities; Whittaker was still shown as being Secretary-manager. 27 October 1956 (reserve game) - confirmed Whittaker's death the previous Wednesday (i.e. 24 October 1956). 3 November 1956 - tribute to Whittaker, the position of Secretary-manager had been removed from the list of club officials in the programme. 1 December 1956 - picture showing Bob Wall (newly appointed Secretary) shaking hands with Crayston "who now controls the team"; the positions of these two men still not shown in programme. 29 December 1956 (reserve game) - picture of Crayston with the caption "Newly appointed Arsenal Manager". 5 January 1957 - Crayston as Manager and Wall as Secretary shown in the programme for the first time; neither were acknowledged in their positions in the programmes on 22 December 1956 or 26 December 1956. From this I would say that Whittaker was still secretary-manager until his death, Crayston was in charge of the team but still officially assistant manager (a similar situation as at Liverpool when Phil Thompson took control of the team when Houllier was ill), Crayston was made caretaker manager upon Whittaker's death, Crayston was appointed full-time manager on 27 or 28 December 1956. Here's what I think - leave Whittaker's and Crayston's record as they are but put a footnote explaining that Crayston was in charge of the team at the start of 1956-57 until Whittaker's death and summarise these matches in the footnote as has been done with Liverpool . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goonerak (talk • contribs) 18:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Babygang
he has being messing around with van persies stats again, ive undone them —Preceding unsigned comment added by The German Flower Pot (talk • contribs) 01:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I have put some evidence onto my wage structure part so now you don't have to take it off (talk

Stadium or Stadia
You say that "using latin plural for an english word in an english-language article is pretentious and incorrect"

have a look at http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/stadium?view=uk

Appears that either is correct, and that the word origin is actually Greek.

Only a quibble I realise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.189.220.187 (talk) 09:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The Greek is stadion, the Latin stadium. To be ultra-pedantic the plural ought to be stadioi if we're following the Greek spelling, but that would be just as invalid as stadia in my view. Besides, even the Oxford link you have given gives stadiums as the first, and presumably, preferable plural. Qwghlm (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that was ultra-pedantic. You are probably correct, your knowledge of language seems better than mine. One small point however; didn't the Romans borrow a lot of ideas from the Greeks. Without getting too caught up in an argument is it not possible that the Latin word stadium comes from the Greek word stadion. Of course I have no evidence and might be talking rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.189.220.187 (talk) 12:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Bert Freeman
Hi - sorry to bother you. Can you have a look at the article I have created on Bert Freeman who spent a short time with Woolwich Arsenal. If you could check, edit, expand or otherwise improve the Arsenal section I would be most grateful. In particular, could you verify the quote from Tony Hogg's book, which came from the Spartacus website. If it's correct, could you edit the reference to include the page number.

Thanks as ever for you help and invaluable guidance in my early days as a WP editor. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 14:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Gavin Hoyte
In the AFD you speedied Gavin Hoyte, because the circumstances have not changed, however the consensus was leaning towards keep because of his apparent FA Cup appearance for Arsenal which wasn't previously discussed. Surely G4 doesn't apply, and the AFD should continue. Nfitz (talk) 18:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He has not played for Arsenal in the FA cup - see his stats at Soccerbase, which is probably the most reliable source for player appearences. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  21:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay - should probably have been noted in the AFD closure - but that seems to make sense. Nfitz (talk) 22:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

An article you speedied a year ago
Hi. Please take a look here: Articles for deletion/Moneyfacts.co.uk (2nd nomination). - Richard Cavell (talk) 02:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Captain_sports.svg
I changed its design as the RFD was closed:

commons:File:Captain_sports.svg

Now it doesn't look anything like the copyright icon. ViperSnake151 20:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to Wikipedia meetup in London


Date: 13:00 onwards, Sunday 10 August 2008

Venue: Penderel's Oak pub, Holborn WC1 map

More information: Meetup/London 12

Hello,

I noticed that you have listed yourself as a Wikipedian in London, so I thought you might like to come to one of our monthly social meetups. The next one is going to be on Sunday 10 August, which might well be rather short notice, but if you can't come this time, we try to have one every second Sunday of the month.

If you haven't been before, these meetups are mainly casual social events for Wikipedia enthusiasts in which we chat about Wikipedia and any other topics we fancy. It's a great way to meet some very keen Wikipedians, but we'd also love for you to come along if you're interested in finding out more about Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, or other collaborative wiki projects too.

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Although the meetups are popular, many UK-based editors still don't know about them. It would be great to welcome some fresh faces, so I hope you can come along.

Yours,

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Please forgive the slightly impersonal mass-invite!

Richie Powling
Another one ticked off for you. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  14:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Rochdale A.F.C. (1896)
Done. Beats removing daft images of the letter C. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Arsenal Stadium
Hello. I'm reassessing the Arsenal Stadium article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I've added a few citation needed tags to the article and placed it on hold for seven days for improvements. At the end of the week, I'll make a decision about whether or not to delist the article. Nikki 311  18:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Arsenal seasons table
I know exactly what the problem is, and I can't figure out how to fix it. There's effectively two sets of parameters in play in the table regulating column and row spans, and changing one does not affect the other. The reason the individual tables are off is because they default to the size of the widest field, so >9 draws in a season changes that width for that decade table. The space needed for a refnote does as well.

However, making the columns wider isn't really addressing the problem because of the cell nesting in the League headers portion. Increasing the colspan doesn't affect the columns underneath, which still float based on the text inside the cell. I think the only way around the issue at this point is to remake the table from scratch. MSJapan (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Arsenal F.C.
I think it would be best to start a discussion at WP:FOOTY about the Arsenal squad, nothing's going to be resolved at this rate I think... Mattythewhite (talk) 19:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Squad numbers
No worries. Indeed I've just done it. Hope it solves the problem. Peanut4 (talk) 22:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've also added a short contribution. Wikipedia can be maddening at times. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 08:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's catching... ArtVandelay13 (talk) 12:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought the compromise there was unfortunate - I really thought we had the argument sewn up. Unfortunately I had to jettison the argument last week, as I was on holiday. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 13:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

(Arsenal F.C. squad numbers) Cheers, Had a look and filled in some gaps. Thanks. Jaydec (talk) 09:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK!
Thank you for your contributions! - Mailer Diablo 11:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Three revert rule
I always find it interesting that I tend to receive this message not from administrators, but from editors who want me to stop reverting their poor edits. Also, please note that I find your act of contacting other editors to revert more often than you can to violate the spirit of the rule. And before you run back and revert my edits, I have made quite a few contributions to the talk page. If you again cannot agree to my points, feel free to continue this discussion on my talk page rather than continuing to change the article. As I have tried to point out, my "reverts" are simply restoring the article to the state it always has been. Charles 04:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, be careful...just a friendly warning to say that you are quite close to breaking the 3RR as well. I can't believe that the Arsenal squad debate can last so long. I've been watching the debate for ages. It's absolutely ridiculous. Anyway, be careful about any more reverts today, even if others are in the wrong.


 * Best wishes –MDCollins (talk) 15:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm trying. I've waited for 2 weeks before stepping into the ring here! Discuss (I know it is difficult), get some other opinions, compromise and move on. Either that or spend some time creating articles on the more notable reserves!–MDCollins (talk) 15:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
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List of cultural icons of England]]
Hello, I have produced many lists of wikilinks over the years, and I'm surprised that you feel the List of cultural icons of England needs refs and sources, and that you think there is original research. Could you please give reasons? I left a similar question on the article's talkpage, and you may wish to respond there. Many thanks, Renata (talk) 18:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

User page moved to article space
Hi, earlier today you restored User:Only1k slim which had been moved to article space. The user (who is a young kid it seems) has moved his user page again; I tried moving it back but couldn't, because "a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid.". Out of curiosity, is there a way for regular editors to reverse user page moves, or do we have to ask admins to do it? Cheers, --Bonadea (talk) 17:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind - I found the info eventually, and requested speedy deletion of the redirects to be able to move the pages back :-) --Bonadea (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Arsenal pics
A flickr user recently took a tour of the Emirates and uploaded them as CC-BY-2.0 here. May be useful for you oh-person-with-one-of-the-simplest-names-in-the-world-but-hardest-to-remember-nicknames. Enjoy. Nanonic (talk) 22:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thierry Henry
Sorry, but why the revert on my improved awards/achievements box? user:SE7User_talk:SE7/Special:Contributions/SE7 15:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree it's misleading, but I was simply changing them to fit in with the boxes on other pages eg Luca Toni, plus as you can see on the section above yours on my talk page, they are acceptable if only i could find someone to make one of those boxes that hides them as used to be on the page user:SE7User_talk:SE7/Special:Contributions/SE7 16:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I would've thought it added to the article, if anything. user:SE7User_talk:SE7/Special:Contributions/SE7 16:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

If you think my edit to the main Arsenal page's introductory section was badly written.....
...then I suggest you re-read all the Arsenal pages, and sort those out too - there are many similar grammatical errors (I would do it, but I haven't got time). You could have just corrected the grammar in my entry if you found it objectionable. Also, I read the rules about the length of the section, they are a little flexible (i.e. open to interpretation, as there is no word-count limit or anything similar), and if you care at all about the Arsenal Wikipedia entry and aren't biased against Arsenal, then look at other club's equivalent sections and consider the importance of the information I added - it isn't clearly mentioned anywhere else and seemed logically to belong where I added it. Finally, you also wiped out my removal of the controversial 1919 promotion sentence's clear Tottenham bias - there is no actual proof that Arsenal were promoted in 1919 due to any imporoper means, and heresay and allegations are not the domain of Wikipedia. And Tottenham weren't the only team involved in the controversy, so it is not factually correct to say 'at their expense'. Sorry to have bothered you with my pointless work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterinns (talk • contribs) 23:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

allfootballers.com
Thanks for the note - I'll do what I can to help. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 10:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not responding to your messages - I have been away for a while. I've added what I can to the James McEwen article, but there's no mention of Leslie Knighton on www.allfootballers.com. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

North London Derby
Excuse me please mate you deleted the 5-4 and 4-4 draw in North London derbies. The title says Notable football matches not bloody title deciders and cup knockout games. The 5-4 and the 4-4 draw are notable for being thrilling and memorable games. Put them back please.

you have not bothered to answer me so I am putting back the 5-4 and 4-4 games. Notable matches should not just include cup semi-finals and title deciders as about 80% of the time Tottenham v Arsenal matches are not cup semi-finals and title deciders. They should include memorable matches in the League to make the article more interesting. you should know that wikipedia wants interesting articles and putting in memorable league encounters between the two sides will make it more interesting.

Yeah but isn't the history of Arsenal F.C. incredibly long and boring why not put moments where they only won trophies because the rest is too long. There is a lot more pages on wikipedia which are longer than the North London derby article so don't get stroppy and delete things which make things more intresting and you know for a fact that my version is more interesting. Who cares if its too long. you have got to keep other people happy.

Håvard Nordtveit
Information about Håvard Nordtveit being recalled from his loan spell in Spain: http://youngguns.wordpress.com/ This has been verified by his manager, Jim Solbakken, to Norwegian media. Why are you being so harsh? I'm quite new to Wikipedia and trying to learn the guidelines, threatenig someone who is trying to make serious contributions to the society shouldn't be neccessary!
 * UD Salamanca confirms his departure at http://www.udsalamanca.net/cmsa/index.php. Morhveem (talk) 01:49, 31 October 2008 (GMT+1)
 * Or at least they confirm Arsenal wants him back.(talk) 01:52, 31 October 2008 (GMT+1)

David Black
re him playing for Arsenal, read the infobox on this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/1420616.stm

also the transfers bteween clubs section on this: http://www.mehstg.com/arsefacts.htm

Wolvesweb (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Bit of a strange one this. I've had a look through my records and can't find any player named Black who played for Arsenal during 1898-99 (first team, reserves, friendlies or public practice matches). He's also shown as having been on Arsenal's books on allfootballers.com. I can only think that he joined Arsenal in the summer of 1898 and then joined Clyde before the season started.--Goonerak (talk) 19:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

SK Schwadorf
The links in the above article to ""Ten facts about... Schwadorf" from Arsenal.com are now dead. Please let me know, or update them accordingly, if you happen to come across the new link (if, indeed, there is one). Thanks. - Dudesleeper / Talk  06:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, veh interesting. I noticed the article gets shoved down to the end of the page, so hopefully, in the unlikely event of someone following the link, it won't fool them. Thanks for that. - Dudesleeper / Talk  10:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Leonard Thompson (footballer)
I've added what I can from www.allfootballers.com. I will look up my FA Cup books over the weekend and add a little more about 1926 Swansea's FA Cup run, in which they put out a certain club from North London! Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Håvard Nordtveit
Sorry, wrongly assumed he'd never been in a match-day squad. But the UEFA website doesn't have him down with a squad number, although Soccerbase do. Do you think this should be added as a reference? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 14:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting my user page
The sweet child appears to have gone quiet now. He enjoyed himself on my talk page, too. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Navbox question
Hope you don't mind my picking your brain for a moment. I noticed you added an "All articles" link to the Arsenal F.C. template, and I recently did the same to Template:Blackpool F.C. Thing is, the link only displays when the navbox is viewed on its own; when it's nested with other navboxes, the link is omitted. It's probably something simple but I'm not seeing the source of the problem, hoping you might be able to. - Dudesleeper / Talk  20:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to dive in. Dudesleeper, I can see it on all the pages. You might need to purge the pages to see the updated template. Peanut4 (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, I did that yesterday, to no avail. It has appeared today, however. - Dudesleeper / Talk  03:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleting P&P Christmas Open
Dear Mr. Chris,

Why did You deleted the page P&P Christmas Open? Was there a problem with the content on the page? Was it offensive or irritating?

Please respond ASAP.

Kind Regards, Kreso Zmak —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sokrica (talk • contribs) 16:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Emirates Stadium
'Please stop changing the article to an incorrect figure - any further reversions of my edits and I'll be forced to block you.'

You have me confused with someone else; I have no concern with the figure you are referring to, so please stop threatening me. I just want there to be an IPA transcription of the name of the stadium since it is commonly mispronounced by non-native English speakers.

'As for IPA, not only is it unnecessary for the English language Wikipedia, it is also incorrect - you have not provided the IPA for the word "Stadium".'

Point taken - I have come up with a solution to that.

Aikclaes (talk) 19:49, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't
be silly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.46.120 (talk) 15:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

John Graham (footballer)
All I can find is that he was born in 1873 in Northumberland - theres' no date of death shown. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

your assistance please...
The record shows you deleted the article on Kevin Sack. Could you please userify it, and its history, to User:Geo Swan/review/Kevin Sack?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 05:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for userifying the full history. I replied more fully on my talk page.  Cheers!  Geo Swan (talk) 16:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

James Quayle
Hi, nice expansion work there. As for the Q's - sort of.. Was just going to add Alf Quantrill, but then thought the others from my pre-WW2 book may as well go in as well and at least the Joyce reference stays the same! WikiGull (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Charlie McGibbon
Hi - are you able to add/correct anything to this article? Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Jay Simpson
I put the deal down on the transfer list along with the note saying he will join them on New Years, sorry for screwing the roster up. – Michael (talk) 17:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

arsenal supporters' trust
Chris

Thanks for the development work, I started it in July time.

Do you go to the meetings? I started to go again after family illness.

Camdentowner (talk) 18:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

gazidis
Chris

Nice piece.

I have been writing an MBA Business Case about the Emirates Stadium Funding and Marketing - Success or Failure?, with the Clubs' support and advised by Harvard Business School and my alma mater Cranfield School of Management. Due to be published in 2008 after Edelman and I had approved every line and every airbrushed reference to David Dein; Edelman went just as I finished the instructor notes, so no-one would sign off. Gazidis makes a good addition to the narrative. Want to be a reader of the re-version? 5,000 words plus 18 Exhibits, HBS style.

Camdentowner (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Charlie Hare
Just to let you know that the player who appears in your subpage list as Charles Hare now has a stub article at Charlie Hare. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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