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Speedy deletion nomination of Kambarka Engineering Works


A tag has been placed on Kambarka Engineering Works, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.

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--R7500 (talk) 09:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Similar articles there other companies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhanskteplovoz This company is where a lot of use in other Wikipedia articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Lat%E2%80%93Thap_Cham_Railway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrow_gauge_railway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Vietnam http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D4H_diesel Page can not be deleted! because it is useful to many readers as information about the plant manufacturer of diesel locomotives.

Clear definitions of narrow gauge railways
Dear R7500,

First of all, it makes no sense to have the same information in three separate articles.

Secondly, the definitions of forest railway and feldbahn are very clear:

A Feldbahn is the German term for a narrow gauge railway, usually not open to the public, which in its simplest form provides for the transportation of agricultural, forestry (Waldbahn) and industrial raw materials such as wood, peat, stone, earth and sand.

A forest railway, logging railway or logging railroad is a mode of railway transport which is used for forestry tasks, primarily the transportation of felled logs to sawmills or railway stations. Not limited to forestry or industrial purposes.

--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Kudemskaya narrow-gauge railway is also a common carrier railway as it carries both passenger traffic and cargo traffic.
 * Alapaevsk narrow-gauge railway: Current operation includes passenger traffic and general goods movement. Not feldbahn, neither forestry
 * Apsheronsk narrow-gauge railway: It carries freight (including: wood, food, and postal services) and passengers including a train which transports children to school. Same reasons apply here.

--R7500 (talk) 19:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Dear Aaron-Tripel,

I agree about the threads Feldbahn. This narrow-gauge railways - logging companies, all three pieces. It is advisable to place in the narrow-gauge railways and forestry railways. P/s, are the best narrow-gauge railways of Russia, but they relate to forest railways. In Russia, there are directions: Forest railways, Peat Railways, Railway Factory.


 * When I google Picture the railways mentioned above (in russian language!) I can see clearly all sorts of goods stock, passenger stock and railway stations clearly indicating that these are common carrier railways not limiting their operations on wood transport only which clearly excludes them from being forest railways. --Aaron-Tripel (talk) 16:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * All these narrow gauge railways were built specially for the export of timber, logging companies. In Russia they relate to the theme: Forest railways.--R7500 (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi R7500. First of all thank you for your great work on Soviet and Russian railways. The 3 articles we are discussing here all say that these railways carry general freight or goods ("cargo" seems to be used as a special term for bulk goods) and don't seem to be dedicated to the forestry industry. In fact the Apsheronsk narrow-gauge railway appears to be more like a mountain railway. Also, for consistency, we tend to use the International/European English terms like "metre" rather than "meter" as well as "railway". If in doubt, refer to the International Union of Railways terminology. Hope this helps and keep up the good work. --Bermicourt (talk) 15:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi In Russia the railways 750mm, there are different directions for the shipment of:

1. peat,

2. wood,

3.salt, sand, coal (Factory),

4.the cargo - passenger (In Russia, all closed in 2011, the last narrow-gauge railway was dismantled, the copyright of the company RZD).

1, 2 - railway may carry other cargo (Mail, food, fuel) and passenger transportation.

Apsheron narrow-gauge railway, built primarily for the export of timber, in 1927 logging companies. But this road can be attributed to the mountain roads. --R7500 (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

R7500,

I took the time to make some analysis concerning the three russian narrow gauge railway articles you created around 5-6 august.


 * 1) You state in all three articles that these railways are not dedicated to wood / timber transport only. The texts you provided under "current status" all mention (scheduled) passenger and / or freight thereby excluding them being a forestry railway.
 * 2) All three articles lack any references providing me background information about the railways operations.
 * 3) After this discussion started when I removed the Feldbahn and Forest Railways sections about Russia, you provided about ten photo's with the intention of proving that the railways concerned are actual forest railways. I can google picture the same amount of photographs relating to these railways showing both passenger and general goods stock.
 * | Кудемская узкоколейная железная дорога / Kudemskaya narrow-gauge railway
 * Алапаевская узкоколейная железная дорога / Alapayevsk narrow-gauge railway
 * Апшеронская узкоколейная железная дорога / Apsheronsk narrow-gauge railway

The following International Steam web page states:
 * Alapaevskaya narrow gauge railway: Alapaevskaya is the longest narrow gauge railway in present-day Russia. (...) Timber transportation is almost not-existent now, the railway is needed only for communications with several villages and settlements.
 * Kudemskaya forestry NGR (ex-forestry, now - only for passenger service)
 * Apsheronskaya forestry NGR: There was a large network of forestry lines ... There are timber-carrying and passenger trains. The schedule of passenger train ... another: twice-weekly passenger trains  ...

In conlusion: Although the railways could have been built as forestry railways, their role shifted to being common carrier railway with wood transport in decline. Unless you provide textual references indicating that these railways are dedicated forest railways, the section "Russia" should be deleted from the Forest railway article. Moreover, it is pointless to maintain the current section "Russia" under Forest Railways because this section is a duplicate from the Narrow gauge railway article. (except for the photographs) --Aaron-Tripel (talk) 08:30, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

1. Apsheron narrow-gauge railway - logging company: pdk-apsheronsk.ru Official site of the road. 2. Kudemskaya forestry NGR - passenger service, Wood is also transported, but rarely. Most of the winter. In the area of roads there no, and all goods transported by railway. 3. Alapaevskaya narrow gauge railway - Transporting timber are smaller, in contrast to Soviet times. Transportation of wood there is. Duplicates should be left, topics to appropriate sections. I was tired, to prove the reality.--R7500 (talk) 10:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * R7500,
 * Can you please give me some real arguments instead of repeadedly providing photographs and youtube clips featuring wood trains? You write that you are tired to prove the reality but you did not prove anything. On the contrary: If you give good textual references supporting your contributions there wouldn't be doubt at the first place.
 * The fact that National Railway Company of Belgium runs wood trains from time to time does not imply that it is a dedicated forest railway. The same applies to your contributions. Even in the case wood transport forms the majority of rail traffic on any given railroad, if it also carries scheduled passenger trains it is a common carrier railway. A forest railway is a dedicated railway. The fact that it is not was provided by yourself by mentioning various other traffic flows like passengers, general freight, calling on of the lines a mountain railway, etc, etc.
 * The only way to solve this matter to add some good references to the articles. Any unreferenced claims may and will be challenged. I hope the following will be helpful to you: Identifying reliable sources --Aaron-Tripel (talk) 12:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

You can see do not understand that in Russia it is considered to be forest http://narrow.parovoz.com/emb/images/icoL.gif. If you have a mindset to delete all of this please. Sorry for the time spent. If under such stringent requirements of European, it is possible from Kudminskaya theme-forest railways removed.

Common carrier - In Russian concept of these roads: forestry NGR: --R7500 (talk) 12:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahnstrecke_Antoniwka%E2%80%93Saritschne
 * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmalspurnetz_Hajworon
 * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmalspurnetz_Berehowe
 * http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldbahn_Wyhoda


 * I won't delete anything, only removing duplicate information that does not belong there. Nothing of your efforts will be wasted as the duplicate info is already in the narrow gauge railway article, except for the photographs you added later. It could indeed be possible that there are international diffrences between railway categories. en.wikipedia is not european, but (international) english oriented.
 * I do not understand that you initially create three railway pages concerning mountain railways, goods traffic and scheduled passenger transport, and then give contradictory arguments to information you wrote yourself to state that these railways actually only serve a single purpose, forest railways? --Aaron-Tripel (talk) 13:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Contents moved to the Talk:Forest railway as you start expanding the disputed section during discussion without consensus being reached. I urge you not to undo this action before the dispute is resolved, otherwise I will report vandalism. --Aaron-Tripel (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the language barrier. I find it hard to explain.

All three of these roads were built by logging companies.


 * Apsheron narrow-gauge railway - was built to transport timber 50/50 there are also passenger services + products, mail, fuel. Geographically located in the mountains.
 * Alapaevskaya narrow gauge railway - Now in modern times the main part was the passenger(+ products, mail, fuel), but there are loads wood.
 * Kudemskaya forestry NGR - Now in modern times the main part was the passenger(+ products, mail, fuel) The forest is rarely driven, mostly in the winter.

Translated from the Russian language: ''Основное назначение лесовозной узкоколейной железной дороги — доставка древесины от места валки (верхнего склада) до места накопления (как правило, нижнего склада лесозаготовительного предприятия). Однако на практике многие лесовозные узкоколейные железные дороги со временем превращались в огромные железнодорожные системы, являвшиеся основой транспортной сети целого района. Помимо леса, по ним перевозились и другие, самые различные грузы, были хорошо развиты пассажирские перевозки.''

Appointment of the forest narrow-gauge railway - transportation of wood from the felling site to the place of storage as a rule, the timber company. Many forest narrow-gauge railways in time turned into a great railway systems, which were the basis of the transport network of the whole district. In addition to the forest, and transported them to other goods+ products, mail, fuel), were well developed passenger transport.--R7500 (talk) 15:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Nelidovo Engineering Works


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--R7500 (talk) 16:46, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

This is a mistake!

This article was mistakenly sent to disposal. This is an article about the history of the plant, not advertising. similar articles:
 * Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant
 * Minsk Tractor Works
 * Volgograd Tractor Factory

The article will be useful, as the plant's products are used in different countries. And exhibited at the Museum Finland.

Talk Page Guidelines
Dear R7500, I object that you clear your talk page a very short time after a discussion or notification has taken place.

I have restored the contents of your talk page fot the following reasons:

Talk page guidelines:
 * Editing—or even removing—others' comments is sometimes allowed. But you should exercise caution in doing so, and normally stop if there is any objection.
 * Personal talk page cleanup: On your own user talk page, you may archive threads at your discretion. Simply deleting others' comments on your talk page is permitted, but most editors prefer archiving. Many new users believe they can hide critical comments by deleting them.

If you want to cleanup your talk page after some time you have the option to archive it: Help:Archiving a talk page.

--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 08:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

--R7500 (talk) 09:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Thank you so concerned about my profile.

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