User talk:REDMAN 2019/Archive 1

2016–17 Trabzonspor season moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, 2016–17 Trabzonspor season is, in its current state, incomplete as written to remain published. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption—there, you can complete the article properly. When you feel the article is complete and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. –eggofreason(talk &middot; contribs) 18:08, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Your recent article
Please stop remaking your 2016-17 Trabzonspor article in the article mainspace. Work on it in the draft you were given. –eggofreason(talk &middot; contribs) 15:55, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Your contributed article, 2016–17 Trabzonspor season


Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, 2016–17 Trabzonspor season. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – Draft:2016–17 Trabzonspor season. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Draft:2016–17 Trabzonspor season. If you have new information to add, you might want to discuss it at the article's talk page.

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September 2019
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ  16:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

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Creating new articles
Please use draft space or user space to work on articles before publishing them to mainspace. That way you have time to work on adding content and citations. Happy editing! Schazjmd  (talk)  13:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

1944 Prime Minister's Cup moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, 1944 Prime Minister's Cup, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Manchester United F.C. 1–1 Leicester City F.C. (November 14)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Willsome429 was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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 Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 14:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

UEFA rankings (Liverpool)
@Rhys Mayall I noticed that most major clubs have UEFA coefficient rankings on there page but Liverpool were an exception. 9XY removed it on the grounds that it was unimportant and biased. however I see nothing wrong with it and if it's not suitable for Liverpool then why is it on all the other club's pages? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Its been removed before by a much more senior editor than me. Has there been any consensus for its inclusion? Can’t see anything on the football wiki project. Rhys Mayall (talk) 00:45, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Jay Driessen moved to draftspace
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2011–12 VfL Wolfsburg season moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, 2011–12 VfL Wolfsburg season, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Boleyn (talk) 20:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

2018–19 Mascom Top 8 Cup moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, 2018–19 Mascom Top 8 Cup, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. buidhe 01:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Done I have made improvements and moved it to article REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

2018–19 Mascom Top 8 Cup moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, 2018–19 Mascom Top 8 Cup, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Kits
It's not appropriate because Wikipedia is not a picture gallery and adding the kits does not help the reader's understanding of the subject. It's pretty much a perfect example of WP:CRUFT, since what difference does it make what colour kits those teams wore 100 years ago? The results and other facts matter because those results define the final table and thus which teams stay in the division the following season, but what colour kit they wore is pretty irrelevant. – PeeJay 17:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It might seem irrelevant to you but other readers may be interested in what kits teams wore 100 years ago. when I attempted to find out such information I had difficulty in finding it because it was scattered all over different websites. I decided to add it to Wikipedia and the season for that time seemed the most appropriate place to do so. if you do not like that could you suggest where I could put this information? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 17:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That is the very definition of cruft! Something that might be interesting to some readers and presented without context is pure cruft. By all means create season articles for those clubs and add the kits there, but a picture gallery in a league season article is crufty as all hell. – PeeJay 17:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you think that a dedicated article about kits for the 19th century would be accepted? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No. – PeeJay 21:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:2017–18 Aldershot Town F.C. season
Hello. This article submission was declined as it fails WP:NSEASONS and previous season articles have been deleted at AfD (e.g. 2015–16 season). Please do not move it back into article space, as taking it through AfD is just a waste of editors' time. Thanks, Number   5  7  12:59, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you be specific as to what exactly is wrong with it so that I can fix that? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 13:00, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue is that they were playing in a league which is not fully-professional. This means the article fails the season notability guideline WP:NSEASONS. It's therefore not an issue you can fix. Cheers, Number   5  7  14:19, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Tip of the day.
If there are references in a conversation on a talk page, just add the template to the bottom of that section. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Userspace move
I noticed a page at User:REDMAN 2019:Sandbox/Team United FC and moved it to your userspace at User:REDMAN 2019/Team United FC. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jordan Henderson
REDMAN2019, I have just reverted your nomination of this article, since you have not made any significant edits to the article itself. According to the GA nomination instructions, Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article on the article talk page prior to a nomination.

If you make such a consultation, and the consensus is that the article is of GA quality and ready to be nominated, then please feel free to renominate the article. You will be expected to make any edits necessary to the article during the review quality so it meets all the criteria. If it isn't, then you can work on improving it to that point and try again. Thank you for your interest in the GA process. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for the tip. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Epicgenius, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with a featured article, five good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 895 points.
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild came next with 464 points, from a featured article, two good articles and a number of reviews, the main theme being naval warfare.
 * 🇺🇸 Raymie was in third place with 419 points, garnered from one good article and an impressive 34 DYKs on radio and TV stations in the United States.
 * Harrias came next at 414, with a featured article and three good articles, an English civil war battle specialist.
 * Pirate Flag.svg CaptainEek was in fifth place with 405 points, mostly garnered from bringing Cactus wren to featured article status.
 * The top ten contestants at the end of Round 1 all scored over 200 points; they also included 🇺🇸 L293D, 🇻🇪 Kingsif, 🇦🇶 Enwebb, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski and 🇳🇵 CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Seven of the top ten contestants in Round 1 are new to the WikiCup.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. In Round 1 there were four featured articles, one featured list and two featured pictures, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. Between them, contestants completed 127 good article reviews, nearly a hundred more than the 43 good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Contestants also claimed for 40 featured article / featured list reviews, and most even remembered to mention their WikiCup participation in their reviews (a requirement).

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup newsletter correction
There was an error in the WikiCup 2020 March newsletter; 🇺🇸 L293D should not have been included in the list of top ten scorers in Round 1 (they led the list last year), instead, 🇺🇸 Dunkleosteus77 should have been included, having garnered 334 points from five good articles on animals, living or extinct, and various reviews. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of List of association football players diagnosed with COVID-19 for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of association football players diagnosed with COVID-19 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of association football players diagnosed with COVID-19 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Kevin McE (talk) 00:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:1944 Prime Minister's Cup concern
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Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/Association football (soccer)
I've been editing Wikipedia for 14 years, almost exclusively association football players. Please trust me when I say that these players are not notable. None of them appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTBALL. Please undo your edit. GiantSnowman 12:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you feel they are notable then please present reliable sources which verify the claim to notability. If they are notable I'll create articles, if not then they should not be listed. GiantSnowman 12:40, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok although I noticed that you have already done it for me! :) REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

April 2020
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Steven Gerrard, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the reassessment of PAOK FC article and your edit / help in Kit Evolution section. Any pointers on how to further improve the article are more than welcome. Abudabanas (talk) 12:18, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jordan Henderson
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jordan Henderson you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kosack -- Kosack (talk) 09:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jordan Henderson
The article Jordan Henderson you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Jordan Henderson for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kosack -- Kosack (talk) 10:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse Host
Dear REDMAN 2019, thank you for volunteering as a host at the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a community of people working together to make knowledge free. You are an important part of that effort! By joining as a Host, and by following our expectations, you are helping new users get a hold of the ropes here at Wikipedia, and helping experienced users who just have a question about how something works. We appreciate your willingness to help!

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 * Nick Moyes (talk) 23:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Rollback granted
Hi REDMAN 2019. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AREDMAN_2019 enabled] rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Chetsford (talk) 04:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
 * Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Rollback should never be used to edit war.
 * If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
 * Use common sense.

WikiCup 2020 May newsletter
The second round of the 2020 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 75 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top ten contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 186 good articles achieved in total by contestants, and the 355 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

Our top scorers in round 2 were:


 * Epicgenius, with 2333 points from one featured article, forty-five good articles, fourteen DYKs and plenty of bonus points
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild, with 1784 points from three featured articles, eight good articles, a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews and lots of bonus points
 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1262 points from two featured articles, eight good articles and a hundred good article reviews
 * Harrias, with 1141 points from two featured articles, three featured lists, ten good articles, nine DYKs and a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski with 869 points, Blason Gondor.svg Hog Farm with 801, 🇻🇪 Kingsif with 719, SounderBruce with 710, 🇺🇸 Dunkleosteus77 with 608 and 🇲🇽 MX with 515.

The rules for featured article reviews have been adjusted; reviews may cover three aspects of the article, content, images and sources, and contestants may receive points for each of these three types of review. Please also remember the requirement to mention the WikiCup when undertaking an FAR for which you intend to claim points. Remember also that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth. - MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jordan Henderson
The article Jordan Henderson you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jordan Henderson for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kosack -- Kosack (talk) 07:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Player positions categories
Hi, as you have participated in the discussion (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Player positions categories), I thought to let you know that all three positions are being discussed at Categories for Discussion (full-backs, wing-halves, and centre-backs). It would be appreciated if you could also give your comment there. Thanks, Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;color:#27B382">1499</b> (<b style="font-size:80%;color:#a9a9a9">talk</b>) 16:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Manchester United F.C. 1–1 Leicester City F.C. concern
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DYK nomination of Jordan Henderson
Hello! Your submission of Jordan Henderson at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jordan Henderson
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kenny Dalglish
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Kenny Dalglish you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kosack -- Kosack (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kenny Dalglish
The article Kenny Dalglish you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Kenny Dalglish for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kosack -- Kosack (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Steven Gerrard
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Steven Gerrard you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Lee Vilenski -- Lee Vilenski (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Phil Dwyer
Hi Redman, thanks very much for taking up the mantle on the GA nomination on this one. I thought I was going to have to abandon it due to time constraints, so it's great to see it get through. Thanks for your work there! Kosack (talk) 07:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Premier League Records Page
Hi Redman - I saw that you offer help to Wiki newbies and was wondering if you can provide some help to a relative newbie to Wikipedia. I'll explain the situation. I have been active keeping several Premier League pages up to date over the last 18 months or so. When some relevant records (records that were mentioned on the Premier League news section and many other sources) were removed from the page, I got into a dispute with another editor who has been policing the page and removing them. He had deleted them on the basis of his view of WP:ONUS which is very subjective. The records were Liverpool related and he has been a regular editor of many Manchester United pages. Being new to Wikipedia - I spoke to an admin, and learned that the process of removing content in this fashion was hard to prevent, the person adding the material would have to gain consensus to add it and this process itself is not ideal (there's not a natural congregation of editors that bring their opinion to the discussion, often ending with no discussion at all and thus no consensus to include it). This therefore seems to end with one person's view vs another's. I stopped editing on the page for over a month and recently returned to make some different contributions - I had been thinking about the content on the page and whether certain tables were necessary (there were separate Wiki pages with the same information, so adding a link to those seemed more optimal and made the article more concise) and whether other information would be relevant/interesting for readers (a table showing 10 highest points totals in Premier League). The same editor I had the dispute with last time quickly popped up removing my edits, deleting the table I had included, and reinserting the other tables now claiming some other Wiki Rule (WP:POINTY?), without initiating discussion on why these tables deserve inclusion. I don't want to get drawn into this anymore and his behaviour is putting me off doing anymore on Wiki. I would prefer if others made judgment on my edits, as it seems he is self-policing the page based purely on his own views, and not an established consensus. What can be done to ensure the page is fairly edited, and not governed by a single person pressing a personal opinion over it which is my concern? page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_records_and_statistics      TheRealGutripper (talk) 10:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 July newsletter
The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1672 points gained from four featured articles and seventeen good articles, plus reviews of a large number of FACs and GAs
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.

Between them, contestants managed 14 featured articles, 9 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 152 good articles, 136 DYK entries, 55 ITN entries, 65 featured article candidate reviews and 221 good article reviews. Additionally, 🇩🇰 MPJ-DK added 3 items to featured topics and 44 to good topics. Over the course of the competition, contestants have completed 710 good article reviews, in comparison to 387 good articles submitted for review and promoted. These large numbers are probably linked to a GAN backlog drive in April and May, and the changed patterns of editing during the COVID-19 pandemic. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Club season articles
Hey there - I actually have to disagree with you. There's no guarantee that the kits will change for the clubs from season to season. Nowadays they almost 100% do but that's not confirmed until kits come out. Plus, these are articles I created and are watching so if the kits change, then I will update in the specific articles. And it's not a great deal of work like you suggested - it's an easy copy and paste. It's not worth the time and effort of writing on my talk page. Instead of criticizing my work, why don't you make some positive changes to wikipedia. Thanks. Rupert1904 (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Steven Gerrard
The article Steven Gerrard you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Steven Gerrard for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Lee Vilenski -- Lee Vilenski (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of GKS Glinik Gorlice for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article GKS Glinik Gorlice is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/GKS Glinik Gorlice until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:32, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:2018–19 Mascom Top 8 Cup


Hello, REDMAN 2019. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "2018–19 Mascom Top 8 Cup".

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Johan Cruyff GAN
Hi Redman, I've been looking at taking up the Cruyff article for review but I think it's going to be a pretty big undertaking. I was just wondering what your experience with the article is, for example would you be able to recall what sources the information comes from, and what access you have to the offline sources listed in the article? Kosack (talk) 09:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to things like the books that are quoted, and I could probably find out what sources the info came from. As for my experience with the article, the truth is that I don't have much experience editing it personally but I did a little bit of clear up before I nominated it. Do you think that I have bitten of more then I can chew? REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 11:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be a big undertaking to get it to GA no doubt, but anything is doable if you have the time and effort. The article is huge, 88kb of prose at present, but I would expect that to come down as there is clearly some superfluous stuff in there (the "business ventures" section reads like an advert for the shoe company for example). The problem with a player of this nature is that, with the sheer wealth of information available on them, it can be difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. It's up to you if you wish to go ahead with it, but I'd rather get a feel that you're willing and able before I undertake such a big review. Kosack (talk) 13:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly willing but I don't know if I'm able to take a large chunk of time out of my personal life. I think that I might have to come back to this when I have more time (and experience!). Thanks for your comments and hopefully I will be able to resume this in the future! Until then, cheers! REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 10:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. Kosack (talk) 11:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Roger Federer GA Reassessment
It's been a while since the Talk:Roger Federer/GA2 was opened/ has been edited, just wondering when you were going to close it or is there anything else that needs addressing? Ym2X (talk) 12:17, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me! I was going to close that a while ago! REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 12:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
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From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:45, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

IQSL Brasileirinho Clube Social moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, IQSL Brasileirinho Clube Social, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:47, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Free Hong Kong flag.svg Bloom6132, with 1478 points gained mainly from 5 featured lists, 12 DYKs and 63 in the news items;
 * 🇮🇩HaEr48 with 1318 points gained mainly from 2 featured articles, 5 good articles and 8 DYKs;
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski with 1201 points mainly gained from 2 featured articles and 10 good articles.

Between them, contestants achieved 14 featured articles, 14 featured lists, 2 featured pictures, 87 good articles, 90 DYK entries, 75 ITN entries, 95 featured article candidate reviews and 81 good article reviews. Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Jeff Hendrick GA Review
Hi there. Many thanks for taking on Jeff Hendrick's GA review.

I feel like I can easily rectify most of the issues you've raised there and will get to work on them later today.

However, you mention that the Derby Telegraph links are unable to be viewed. Do you just mean the permanent dead links because I'm having no trouble accessing the other ones through the web.archive.org site.

I'll try my best to find other sources to replace the permanent dead ones.

I am also able to access Ref 95 on the BBC Sport site?

If you could clarify further with me on these issues that would be great, thanks. Inexorable Existence (talk) 12:55, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:2016–17 Trabzonspor season


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Archive finder
Thanks for reviewing the Tom Pope article. There are a tonne of dead urls. Do you know of an efficient way to find/add the archive url to references? I feel like there is a tool or something I'm missing out on!--EchetusXe 18:08, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't, yet I am sure that there is one, I just can't seem to find it! REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 13:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

"Virus alert"
I have no comment on the quickfail of Talk:Special Area Games Scheme/GA1, but the message seen here is not a "virus alert" - it is a simple mistake in the URL. The URL should not have the www in it - the security certificate is issued to https://sportsauthorityofindia.nic.in not https://www.sportsauthorityofindia.nic.in. Removing the www produces this link which does not produce the error. If you're using chrome, clicking "advanced" (and I'm sure a similar button in other browsers) will display an explanation - in this case the following:

"This server could not prove that it is www.sportsauthorityofindia.nic.in; its security certificate is from sportsauthorityofindia.nic.in. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection."

This sort of message tells you that it's a simple URL issue, and not an actual virus/privacy issue. I figured I'd mention it so you aren't confused when people disagree with you. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 15:29, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C. you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 22:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.
The article Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C. you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C. for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 03:22, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:1944 Prime Minister's Cup


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Snowycats (talk) 22:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 November newsletter
The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is, the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by. In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were, , and. The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.


 * wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
 * win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
 * wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
 * wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
 * wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2021 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66, Vanamonde and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Jay Driessen


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Area 51
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Your GA nomination of Area 51
The article Area 51 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Area 51 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hawkeye7 -- Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Greek Football Cup
Hi, you helped with some edits before on various Greek Football articles. A minor controversy exists on Greek Football Cup page that led to an edit war. It is about statistics. 1961-62 Greek Football Cup final between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos was abandoned in overtime and the Federation never ordered a replay. There is a user Kyopa who keeps adding both finalists as runners-up, but in my opinion this leads to a statistical error. When a sport competition is abandoned there can be no winner/runner-up. You can see the discussion on the article's Talk page. Thought you can help as you are an experienced editor. Best regards! Abudabanas (talk) 09:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Reported Kyopa on Administrator intervention against vandalism. Still edit warring on Greek Football Cup and List of Greek Cup finals. First time I report a user. I tried everything. Exhausted. Tired. Abudabanas (talk) 11:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I understand, though the fact that you reported him at the "Vandalism" section instead of the "Edit warring and 3RR" section is likely to trigger him. But no one likes being reported or reporting someone else. It's a shame it came to this but it was probably unavoidable considering what he was doing. Just rememebr to inform him of what has taken place on his talk page if you haven't already REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 11:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Reported him on Vandalism section cause I noticed that Admin GiantSnowman did the same 2 days ago. Abudabanas (talk) 11:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. I will keep an eye on the discussion if I can. Good luck. REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 11:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Report removed. This was the explanation by MDanielsBot: Removing Stale AIV Reports. BRFA. Stale time is at 4 hours. (New report needed? I am so sick of all this). Abudabanas (talk) 15:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , No new report needed, he has been blocked for a week for edit warring. I just hope that this will be a wake-up call and that he will stop. REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 15:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * User Padgriffin filed a new report and he was banned for 7 days. He is not going to stop. You 'll see. Edit warring will definetely continue. He 'll may be more kind so that he won't get blocked again. Abudabanas (talk) 08:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2021 WikiCup!
Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The competition begins today and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. We thank Vanamonde93 and Godot13, who have retired as judges, and we thank them for their past dedication. The judges for the WikiCup this year are and. Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mohamed Salah
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Your GA nomination of Mohamed Salah
The article Mohamed Salah you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Mohamed Salah for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kosack -- Kosack (talk) 22:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Luis Suárez
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Your draft article, Draft:Orlęta Łuków


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 15:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Stop!
You ask me to stop. Why? Do you think that I am wrong? OK!
 * The point is, I think I'm right. So what should I do? What I believe or what you believe? You know a lot of people die for their faith. I am one of them.--Kyopa (talk) 17:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Area 51
The article Area 51 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Area 51 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hawkeye7 -- Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)