User talk:RHaworth/2012 Jun 23

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Daniel Lewis James
Thanks for sorting that out - I rescued it from "Wikipedia:NJIT HUM 456/sandbox/Daniel Lewis James", started untangling the references, got distracted by something else, and was delighted when I came back to it to find that you had taken over. JohnCD (talk) 12:10, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

hl

 * Unless you object strongly, I should like to unblock this guy. I believe his story that he is not the foul-mouthed IHopeYouDieSincerely, but his brother, because (a) IHYDS was (surprisingly) only blocked for 24h and so was already unblocked days before this guy set up TRUEFAME, and (b) the total difference of approach. ApolloTerror is certainly a sock of TRUEFAME, but you didn't give TRUEFAME a block notice, so he had no way to know how to request unblock. His family-and-friends-only band has no hope, of course, but I'd like to give him another chance. JohnCD (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Another chance to do what? I doubt me whether he has anything useful to contribute. Only unblock him if he gives satisfactory replies to your "what sort of edits" question. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Ritabhari Chakraborty
I was going to create a biography page for her and saw a similar kind of page being deleted earlier by you.Not sure why, so wanted to check with you before proceeding. She is a local film/television actress and very much famous among Bengali people. Deepon (talk) 02:32, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The previous version was a non-start by which consisted of her name and nothing else. There is nothing to predjudice your creating a new article. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Iris liuliu
Hello RHaworth. I saw that you had blocked this user. It looks like they have added a bunch of selfpromotional info to their talk page. It also looks like they have added info about a company in China. I am wondering if this should be removed or rev/deleted and should they have talk page access removed. If not then please do not worry about it and thanks for your time. MarnetteD | Talk 07:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now actioned. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:21, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Unblocked
I saw I was blocked indefinetly. Although, I am unblocked, so it doesnt really matter anymore. If the extended time wasnt true, sorry about the mix-up. I did see it changed to indefinetly. If you dont know what I'm talking about, it's alright. Although I shouldnt have been blocked in the 1st place because I wasnt "Abusing multiple accounts." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Screenbones (talk • contribs) 05:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Peregrine falcon
I am curious to learn why did you move Peregrine Falcon to peregrine falcon. You probably know that WP:BIRDS are (or were) adamant against low-case titles (I am pro, though). Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 09:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit conflict. As is my habit I had CAT:CSD open in one tab and was working through it. The CSD tag was removed in those few minutes. Since I did not delete Peregrine Falcon directly, I did not see that the tag had been removed. I see no justification whatsoever for a capital F on falcon. But if someone else moves it back, I shall take no action. I did not know that WP:BIRDS are adamant. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just as an FYI, I've reverted the move. While I agree that it should not be capitalised (it's clearly not a proper noun), WP:BIRDS kick up a huge fuss whenever capitalisation is brought up. AFAIK, birds are the only exception to WP:FNAME. Jenks24 (talk) 09:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * When they've developed their capitalization guidelines, many other projects had the same stance, but they've all changed, from inside (well, maybe with some external pressure :). I guess the same should happen with WP:BIRDS some day, to have homogeneity all through. Materialscientist (talk) 09:39, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * They are the only organism with official proper names. Also, they are capitalised (much like planets and continents really). Our job is to reflect current usage rather than change it, and so we capitalise as well. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:21, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think Cas meant the only group where all the species have official names (always capitalised too in the lists). The issue has been debated numerous times, always with the same outcome, but in any case it's controversial enough that a move to lc for one of nearly 10,000 bird article should be discussed. Thanks  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree that use of capitals is universal, I note in particular the United States Fish and Wildlife Service using lower case in this article. I also feel that Wikipedia is now sufficiently important that we can consider being prescriptive rather than slavishly following usage. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I tagged the redirect, as I had never heard of the exception that birds operate under. Even Naming conventions (capitalization) doesn't seem convinced; (emphasis mine) "A possible exception is common names of birds, for which WP:WikiProject Birds proposes that the initial letter of each word be capitalized (but not after a hyphen)." I'm confused as to what "the only organism with official proper names" means. Is that what it says on the package? They are an animal, not a consumer good; they do not have an "official name", they have the names that people made up for them, and I'm sure they could care less. If you mean that it is a common name that scientists and hobbyists have agreed upon, that makes sense, but it doesn't make it a proper noun; a planet is capitalized because there is only one with each name, like people, TV shows, or other things you find at proper noun. Doing a search for peregrine falcon site:fws.gov shows me that most-if-not-all of the FWS articles do not capitalize peregrine falcon. Neither does National Geographic. No news organizations that I can see use it either, NYT, NYDN, Windsor Star, etc.. Should this move off of this user talk page so that RHaworth stops getting "new messages"? ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  17:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with moving it from here - has been discussed extensively and archived several times over the years, including some words over that "possibly". Anyway, might be good to get some permalinks to the capitalisation debate and take it from there. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, please move this discussion off - it obviously deserves another airing in a more public place. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Error?
I see you made Requests_for_checkuser/Case/6yNmynVkqX, did you mean Requests_for_checkuser/Case/6yNmynVkqX? Regards, Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 10:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I meant Sockpuppet investigations/Gulerygsa. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, okay! Regards, Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 10:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Deleted DieMonsterDie Image?
Why did you delete the image, File:DieMonsterDie Live 2011.jpeg, I uploaded to the Die Monster Die article? The band members themselves own the image and told me to use it on the site. The license I chose reflected that EpsilonX2008 (talk) 00:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You requested its deletion - please read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:52, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Bad Faith
Why don't you Read WP:AGF and then let me know what your reason was for making this insult. &mdash; OrenBochman (talk) 10:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What insult? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Dan Ginnane
Hi there, in April you salted Dan Ginnane. It's been recreated at Dan Ginnane (Sports Broadcaster). Whilst I agree that there isn't much coverage of him, as opposed to his job available online, he is a major radio broadcaster in the major sport in Sydney, a city of >4 million people. I've added an national radio industry award that he won last year that shows that he is recognised in his field, so I think he is notable enough to have an article. Please review, and if you think it passes the minimum required level, please unsalt and move the article to the unqualified title. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not greatly impressed by the references. I have moved it to User:Borgiegoldcoast/Dan Ginnane (broadcaster). I suggest you beef-up the refs and submit it via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Muhammad Iqbal Urdu Poetry
Hi, It was found here that you had deleted the article Muhammad Iqbal Urdu poetry, Could you please let me know the reason of delition of the article. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 16:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Please see the reasons given to keep the article here, any way just preior to your delition I had applied sources and expanded the article. Waiting for your earliest action.--Omer123hussain (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2012 (UTC) Thanks for your positive hope :), Please see this justification by an established user, who want to keep the article, In fact the user strongly supports and appeals to develop the article for comprehensive studies.
 * The article did not seem long enough to justify creating a separate page. I see no strong views expressed by others in the talk page. If you can persuade even one other established editor that a new page is justified, I will happily restore it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:28, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I hope instead of Muhammad Iqbal Urdu poetry, we shall restore the article with the name Work of Muhammad Iqbal as suggested here, he is a good writer, and his work is bridge between east-west, Iqbal work is not represented properly, and also due to some misunderstandings the users spoiled the Main article Muhammad Iqbal which lost the status of FA.

Hardly one week before I initiated this article, and instead of random sources, I wanted to apply more reliable and comprehensive sources, as few minutes before it was deleted, I developed it quiet reasonable, which you might have noticed. Kindly restore, so that we shall rename it to Work of Muhammad Iqbal. :)) Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:26, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, may you kindly do the needful, as you may find here that now couple of users support to keep the article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 04:36, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the author is known for his poetic and research in other then urdu language, thus kindly make it to Work of Muhammad Iqbal as also suggested by other users there, so that it may contain all Academic lectures, philosophical and poetic work.--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so I shall move the page User:Omer123hussain/Poetry of Muhammad Iqbal with the title --> Work of Muhammad Iqbal, as informed above and here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omer123hussain (talk • contribs)


 * As I suggested above, it would be much better if you could persuade someone else to do the move. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have moved page to "Work of Muhammad Iqbal" as suggested [|here by other established users. Regards :)--[[User:Omer123hussain|Omer123hussain]] (talk) 09:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Ibn al-Khattab
You declined my db-move for Ibn al-Khattab using http://omaribnalkhatab.org/ as your rationale. I fail to see how a mosque and cultural outreach centre in Los Angeles has any relevance to a biographical article about an Islamist insurgent in Chechnya. See Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Zubayr ibn al-Awam, al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Anwar al-Awlaki, and Muqtada al-Sadr for examples of the standard capitalisation of such names on the project. Arabic names consistently uses lowercase "al-" throughout. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 20:28, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Need article undeleted
I work for director Raphael Siddiq who has been signed on to do a major high budget movie. In addition he has done work for major hip-hop artists like Waka Flocka, P. Diddy, and Rihanna. He has just been signed by Zaytoven to do a feature length film starring major urban artists. I am his assistant in charge of writing his bio. This is how I pay my bills so if you could provide me with the info that was deleted as soon as possible I would appreciate that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raphealvideomo (talk • contribs) 20:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read this re getting a copy of your test. You are a blatant, self confessed spammer. Please do not attempt to repost the article here

Hara-Kiri
Hi. I see you deleted Hara-Kiri with CSD reason A7. However, A7 does not apply to films. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears to lack notability though, so I've taken it to AfD. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Request
Please restore the page User:Laudak you deleted: my ban expired and the rationale you gave "‎(G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban)" is invalid. It the future I hope you will check your facts begore acting as admin. - Altenmann >t 11:08, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Also User:Dzied Bulbash and User:Timurite - Altenmann >t 11:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC) "Restriction to one account" is related to editor account. This has no relation to page contents. I don't think there is a rule to delete user pages without trace. - Altenmann >t 12:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The unblock log says explicitly "restricted to one account". You should not be touching these accounts. The current states of the user pages are correct. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It is standard practice to replace the content of user pages of blocked socks with the appropriate tags. You should not have created the sock accounts in the first place, and you do not get to keep their user page contents. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion irrelevant. i violated rules and paid my dues. i request following wikipedia policies about reasons for page deletion. - Altenmann >t 14:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC) Thank you. for a moment I thought that vindicitiveness will prevail. my respect (if it matters) of you increased. i understand that you are busy man (both in wikipedia and in real life), so that you didnt re-read my posts. specifically, i was referring to the fact that the reason given for page deletion (g5) was incorrect, so that you should not have followed the 'db' notice blindly. Of course i understand that you may invoke wp:iar. however i hope you agree that the issue does not constitute a harm or threat to wikipedia. from my side, i will follow the advice given to me by another admin, to avoid further drama (as i have already noticed, there are several altenmann-haters left even after these two years). - Altenmann >t 18:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to see these alleged policies that you want me to follow. But I have relented and restored your edits to each of the accounts you name. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Adding to the list of your socks. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Marian Academy of Management Studies
In February you speedy deleted Marian Academy Of Management Studies. It has been recreated by the same user with the same unverified and largely marketing-speak content. Your attention would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. --Biker Biker (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipad
Wikipad ... how is this a hoax? Kindly put my prelininary article back up! http://blog.laptopmag.com/hands-on-wikipad-3d-gaming-tablet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peachy2012 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Including the above link in your article might have improved its chances of survival slightly. I note that laptopmag says: "still no word on pricing and availability". I suggest you wait until the device is actually available and has received more reviews. If this happens, resubmit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

History of Burnside High School
I see that you speedy deleted History of Burnside High School under CSD:A7. I think for such an article, which is a split from Burnside High School, notability of the whole subject needs to be taken into account, and you are no doubt aware that many Wikipedians regard all high schools as having intrinsic notability. Also, the article has been in place for about six years.

I think an AfD discussion would be more appropriate than speedy deletion. The page was tagged and deleted within a few minutes, giving no one a chance to contest it. A merge to the school article may be an appropriate outcome for AfD.- gadfium 23:08, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Latest version e-mailed. Do what you will with it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:40, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Adobe CreatePDF
A tag has been placed on Adobe CreatePDF requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. &mdash;  mabdul 13:21, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Mmmh, maybe we should protect it... There are some user(s?) (the IP and that new user ) who doing a mess with that 'redirect' article and the target article...  mabdul 13:24, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh my... he was uploading a mess at Commons (many copyvios) and shows a complete lack of a cool head...  mabdul 13:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Protected. Check out Adobe ColdFusion Builder an edit summary of "It Cannot Be Deleted" suggests the author himself is dubious of its notability. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Lupis
As you may have noticed, I've summarily deleted Lupis. And I then went on to salt it. Really, administrative patience can have its limits. -- Hoary (talk) 23:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See this; he won't stop. Maybe time to salt that one, too? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 23:42, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the heads-up. I've deleted and salted it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a further FYI - he's keeping a copy of the article in his sandbox, the better to recreate it apace, I imagine. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:00, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just deleted M. Lupis, for the record.  It Is Me Here  t /  c  20:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Eante puthiya number
It's hardly a stellar article, but for all that, I don't see why it qualifies for G11? It just seems to say "This is a film directed by X and starring Y"; not "This is the greatest film you will ever see! Starring such amazing actors as X ...". Nor, being about a film, would it qualify for A7/9. Oughtn't it be PRODded? &mdash;  It Is Me Here  t /  c  20:25, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Truth is I often accept G11 for subjects which would fail A7 if they were people, bands, etc. It was an hopeless stub without even an assertion of notability. I have just e-mailed you a copy before I realised you were an admin. I say to you and (see above): if you disagree with one of my deletions, just re-instate and tell me. The worst I will do is prod or AfD. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, done.  It Is Me Here  t /  c  21:00, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I suggest..
... That Adobe CreatePDF locked by you???! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.6.95.115 (talk) 23:08, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Overcoming Obstacles article deletion
Mr Haworth, This organization is teaching life management skills to kids that they aren't being taught in school. They are preparing these kids for the real world. There is no charge for this program, it's free. It's changing the face of education in this country by introducing relevant life skills to young people. I would like you to reconsider or please just tell me what to do so an article about Overcoming Obstacles can be published in Wikipedia. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luis manuel ramirez (talk • contribs) 15:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Preferably, you will have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your organisation is notable and writes about it here. However, I do note that you may have cited some reliable sources, so finding a sponsor may yield results. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

File:Tommy Vig.jpg
16:47, 11 June 2012 RHaworth deleted page File:Tommy Vig.jpg (F9: Media file copyright violation without fair use or credible claim of permission.) Permission for free use of the picture was given by the author Pethő Zsolt &mdash; Wthtvofdm (talk) 19:32, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please obtain the highest resolution version available and upload that rather than 12.jpg as used in 12.html. If you upload at a resolution higher than anything found on the web, that will be strong evidence that you have sourced the image from the photographer. (A cropped version can be created later without the irritating watermarked time stamp.) In addition you must provide evidence of Pethő Zsolt's permission as explained on this page. And of course, you should be uploading to the Commons. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Adobe CreatePDF
Hello RHaworth! Why You Lock My First Article Named Adobe CreatePDF??? I Can Revert It When I'm Admin! So, What You Will Do? Protecting It Or Not! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rolandhelper (talk • contribs) 09:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Where is it written that you should Start Every Word Of A Sentence With A Capital Letter? Please stop uploading copyright violations to the Commons. As to Adobe CreatePDF: when you are an admin, I will accept your unprotecting without discussion. In the mean time, propose a separate article in talk:Acrobat.com. If there is consensus in favour, get someone else to ask me to unprotect and I will do it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

The Maud Powell Signature, Women in Music
Could you please add-back the article, The Maud Powell Signature, Women in Music. It is a start article that, in a week's time, will have the heft you were looking for. The entry is worthy for several reasons; namely, it clarifies the source of inline citations that refer to it. The publication is produced by bona fide musicologists and scholars who, on their own merits, are notable in publishing of scholarly works on classical music. The article strengthens wikipedia's portfolio of classical music entries and is a strong resource for women in music. My sense is that topic is not of the self-promotion ilk. Eurodog 20:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Given your contribs history, you orter know better than to fire off an unreferenced article. I was unimpressed by the number of Google hits so I am unwilling to userfy it. But I will gladly e-mail you your text - read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * tanx, email would be great &mdash; it's set-up Eurodog 21:10, 12 June 2012 (UTC) (delete this convo when done)

Riverstone Asia
Don't misuse your position and delete pages in mid air.Why you deleted page Riverstone Asia? How you know it has no significant for rest of us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajaydutt (talk • contribs) 02:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please clarify for me: I thought that in my position I am expected to delete unsuitable articles. Please explain why this is not the case. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable. Also somebody who knows that a 160 byte unreferenced sub-stub stands very little chance of survival even if its subject is notable. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Template: Osijek districts
1) Can you, please, delete Template: Osijek districts because in Template: Osijek exist group Districts so template Osijek districts is unnecessary? Thanks!

2) Can you, please, return deleted article Hotel Osijek? As I have written in discussion about deleting of article, I forgot to write that Hotel Osijek is the biggest and the most important hotel in Osijek and eastern Croatia. I was in hurry, so I could not write that information in article. Thanks!

-- Ivan   OS  17:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Template:Osijek is transcluded in five articles. If you fix those, you will probably find that a db-t3 tag will get rid of it. (Never use a raw &#123;{db}}. There is no need to learn the plethora of db tags but if you use db, you must always code &#123;{db|reason}}). I have e-mailed you the text of Hotel Osijek. It is no use saying that it is the most important hotel in eastern Croatia, you must provide sound evidence to that effect. And even that may not be enough. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:41, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Question about notability
Please advice me: What are the criteria on notability of academic personalities from non-English-speaking countries? I tried to write a short article of a Finnish MD and professor Jaakko Elo, who is a prominent urologist and historian of European urology. You deleted it before I had added practically any text. If there is an article of a person in the Wikipedia of his country/language and the person is considered notable enough in some country, when is he/she considered proper for an article in English? Are the criteria same for English personalities? Sincerely, user "Jiikele", Finland — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiikele (talk • contribs) 23:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC) Thank you. My mistake was to begin the article and save ihe first line, and I was providing the content and had written it, but before I could save it, you had deleted the beginning. Am I allowed to try again?
 * For an article to succeed, you do actually have to provide some content. Even though "Jaakko Oskari Elo is a Finnish urological surgeon and professor" contained the word professor, I felt it was so derisorily short as to deserve speedy deletion. You should develop articles in User:Jiikele/sandbox until they stand a decent chance of survival in the vicious cut-and-thrust jungle which is Wikipedia new page patrolling. See WP:PROF for notability guidelines. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:28, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Prof. Elo may not be known outside his academic community, but that community is international, and as a journalist by profession I feel it relevant to provide short articles of scientists like he in an international language. I think one "problem" with English Wikipedia is that English being the international language, notability has different levels when we look it from New Zealand, from the UK, from the "All World" and from non-English-speaking countries with special communities like, well, urologists. All these groups use Wikipedia as source with different approach and different interest of knowledge. I still do not think these are in collision. - Jiikele — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiikele (talk • contribs) 23:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read my message? Did you see the words "develop articles in User:Jiikele/sandbox"? Do you think that implies that you are allowed to start again. Why do you bother to ask? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Now there is some content in "Jaakko Elo". Would you kindly check it and consider lifting the ban, if you deem it proper. Sorry to steal your time, but thanks for guiding. -Jiikele — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiikele (talk • contribs) 14:42, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What ban? I see no ban, block or protection that might need to be removed. I do see some very ugly naked URIs (see this note) which need to be clothed - learn to use cite-web. Also delete the links to sources in Finnish and give us better refs to English sources. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:10, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Genius Collective
I just speedy deleted the page Genius Collective prefix:User talk:RHaworth. The content of the page, reproduced below, appears to have been intended as a message for you from User:Happyinred.  Spinning Spark  00:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Mr. Haworth. I would greatly appreciate it if you could reconsider the deletion of the Genius Collective band page. My reasons for asking are: - The page was only created today, and as stated in the page's talk section, there is alot more work to be done to get this page credible. - I share your hatred of poorly written / crafted Wikipedia pages. I am a music teacher by trade, and my students frequently return homework with text directly copied from factually incorrect Wikipedia articles! - Please can you give me seven days to fix this page. The Genius Collective band are dear to my heart, my daughter absolutely loves them, and they work alot within our local community and have helped a lot of young people to develop their musical and life skills. They are a worthy group to be added to the Wikipedia files, I just need some time to prove it! I have done my research as to the history of the band etc. and your kindness would be greatly appreciated. I really look forward to hearing from you, Kerry Scott aka. Happy In Red
 * Please learn the correct way of leaving user talk messages. Please also learn the correct way of creating article drafts. Give you seven days? My dear, you may have seven months if you work in the right place: user:Happyinred/sandpit. You were advised to do that in 2009 January - why did you not follow that advice? Please note "my daughter loves them", "work a lot within our local community", etc. cut absolutely no ice with Wikipedians. What we need are links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. If your students have cribbed bum info. from Wikipedia, as punishment, I hope you make them correct Wikipedia. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Deleting images
Thank you for your recent work but i missed one off the list and so can i request that you also delete the unusable orphan file File:Civilization 5 City Territory Grouping.jpg. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 09:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC) I tried linking to Commons but it's a pain to find them afterwards when i'm doing multiple uploads. This way they can still be copied to the Commons if someone has a use for them. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 10:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Please note: a) the subtle colon trick to link to an image instead of using it and b) for goodness sake - your own photos with a free licence should be uploaded to the Commons, not here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Pain to find them" - that is an utterly pathetic excuse. It took me a matter of seconds to find commons:Special:ListFiles/Jenova20 - bookmark it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Without arguing, you knew where to look, while i didn't. Thanks  J e n o v a  20 10:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Page!
I'm new to Wikipedia so I hope you forgive me if I'm not using the proper contact protocol. You deleted a page called List of Armenians among the Righteous Among the Nations. I accidentally created an empty page. I have currently prepared a fully documented article in my sandbox. I'm contacting you to see if we can reinstate that page or do I simply make another page just like it? Cheers! -- grikor (talk) 23:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is the correct place to contact me. But as to your list, I doubt very much whether it would be accepted. It would be rejected under the Wikipedia is not a memorial site rule. If any of the people actually have Wikipedia articles about them, it would be better to create a category. You can try submitting the article via AfC but don't get too hopeful. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Ronnie Charles Wright
Just to let you know, all the digging I could do indicates that most everything in that article was a falsehood. nothing on PBS, TBS, Amazon doesn't have any books by him. I don't know too much about ISBN number structure, but nothing came back on search for any of the ones he listed. FYI &mdash; Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Gosh, you think it might even be an hoax? I shall watch it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hint
Hi there, can i have some hints on how to create a company entry without getting marked as advertising? I had previously created a digistor page. It was marked as advertising the company and removed, however there are many company pages extremely similar to digistor, even digistor company partner pages are allowed on wiki. Any tips on writing about a company and explaining their product line without being listed as spam? thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MurrayEllisII (talk • contribs) 18:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * All you need is one very simple hint: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I read the deletion notes. I understand more now, though it's logical to assume anyone taking the time to write a history in a Wiki article has some deep interest in the company. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MurrayEllisII (talk • contribs) 19:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Even people with a conflict of interest, though, should know better than to think we will tolerate babble about "solutions" and promotional crap like "From the start, DIGISTOR has a commitment to exceptional customer service and this has been a foundation to the way DIGISTOR does business. This commitment ensures personalized customer service and technical support provided by product experts, innovation of superior technology to meet evolving customer needs, and solutions that deliver both quality and value to customers." (a direct quote from your deleted entry). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  19:14, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank You
I am now using the MiszaBot. BLEAKGH (ᚷᚲᛇᛚᛒ) 15:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Liberty Stadia
Re Liberty Stadium (Ibadan) and Liberty Stadium (Salonta): can you restore these two redirects? As a former name of an existing stadium, why was the redirect at Liberty Stadium (Ibadan) deleted? Or the alternate name at Liberty Stadium (Salonta)? It would make a reasonable redirect is reasonable for both these cases. I will note that the person who renamed the two pages that used to lie at those locations seems to be trying to rename the remaining Liberty Stadium (see Talk:Liberty_Stadium,_Swansea), so this seems like gaming the system to make no bluelinks appear at any "Liberty Stadium". I can't see how a person who renamed a page could be the sole author, so could qualify for a db-author, this loophole could result in move-and-delete wars 70.49.127.65 (talk) 05:07, 17 June 2012 (UTC) What's wrong with not using an account? 70.49.127.65 (talk) 03:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you edit as an IP address? What is your objection to creating an account? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * For goodness sake, read why create an account? Other reasons: no identity - there is no guarantee that all edits from this IP address were done by the same person. No continuity - your edit history suggests you have only been here for two days - I don't believe it. How do you access your earlier edits? How do I contact in a month's time when your IP address has changed again? Would you like a watchlist? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

File redirects
Database_reports/Unused_file_redirects. Is there a way to clear this backlog without me having to tag each one? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I will myself try and delete a few each day - nudge me if I am failing to do so. But I will leave it to you to fix the "image links=1" cases first. Edit Template:CSD/Subcategories to add a link to the database report. If it sticks, that might encourage other admins to help with the task. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Chzz/img0511 and files called IMG&hellip; are good sources too. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Page deletion
This is in regards to the deleted page Chhota Bheem: Bheem vs Aliens. A "Declaration of Consent for all enquiries" has been mailed to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org just for the clarification. Will the article be restored automatically, or will it be required for it to be written all over again? A.roy20 (talk) 10:30, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to restore it to your user space but since events have overtaken me, I shall leave it where it is. You should be ashamed to create the article and make no attempt at demonstrating notability. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Example-based machine translation
I have restored this - I was just about to de-speedy it, because the supposed source is headed "SEMINAR REPORT 2009-2011", but the relevant text was already in our article in this version in December 2006. It seems "Jessy K" copied Wikipedia (without acknowledgement), not the other way around. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:40, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Pavilion Mall, Ludhiana
Hello RHaworth, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Pavilion Mall, Ludhiana, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Phillips, Spallas, and Angstadt, LLC.
Dear Rhaworth, first of all I appreciated your tireless work for Wikipedia. I can only imagine, from perusing your content, the amount of nonsense you must deal with on a regular basis. That said, a page I created with the title of this entry was deleted by you last week due to copyright infringement. I have since been informed the content has been donated to wikipedia at permissions@wikimedia.org. Could you please re instate this page so further edits may be made to make the page more concise? Thank you for your time and dedication. Cormac Fawsitt (talk) 17:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Your flattery cuts no ice. Did it cross your mind that your submission might be classified by me as "nonsense" - in the broadest sense of "unsuitable for Wikipedia"? It helps if you actually get the article title right: it was Phillips, Spallas, and Angstadt, LLP.. Please read this note. Your piece was as bad as it gets insult-wise. Have you actually looked at any Wikipedia articles? (Don't look at category:law firms of the United States - most of those were started by people just like you.) Cannot you see how far your text is from a proper article? And as to providing permission via OTRS - a waste of time - by the time it has been re-written as a proper article, it will cease to be a copyvio!
 * My standard advice which I repeat parrot-fashion to people like you is: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your organisation is notable and writes about it here. I certainly have no intention of restoring the article but since an earlier version already exists at User:PSALAW/PSALAW, I replaced its text with the last state of the deleted article. Phillips, Spallas, and Angstadt, LLP. is not (yet) protected so there is nothing to stop you reposting yourself. If you really insist on trying to create an article, I will give you one specific piece of advice: it will always risk deletion if it does not contain links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course it crossed my mind that it would be considered nonsense, I read the bloody thing as well. I admit I was confused between LLC and LLP. Nonetheless, I am heartily entertained by your informative response. As an employee, I was assigned to attempt this and in the near future I'm sure someone else will be given the assignment all over again. As an individual, I could care less for this wiki-page. I wish I didnt need the money. Cheers. Cormac Fawsitt (talk) 21:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Gen Next
Hi RHaworth, I am wondering if you could email me a copy of my article that was taken down, it was for Gen Next.

I also have a question because I am writing this article about the company I work for. It seems they have had a hard time getting different articles to stay up and they either get deleted for insignificance or for sounding like advertising. If you could give me any tips on how to find a good middle ground that's acceptable that would be awesome!

For some background my company is Gen Next. They are a non-profit executive membership company who uses their influence to solve generational problems in economic growth, education, and international security. They have done various things from successfully getting politicians into office to partnering with Google Ideas on Against Violent Extremism. So they have importance to who they are and what they do I just need to figure out where that fits with what Wikipedia wants. Thanks RHaworth! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JHeacock27 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Text e-mailed. It beggars belief that there have been seven versions of this article all apparently written by people who have never looked at any other Wikipedia articles. For example in your case, you added a contents list. If you had actually looked at other articles, you would know that the contents list is generated automatically. You ask for tips - see above which applies to you also. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Roadrunner
Why would Roadrunner (song) be more needed (cf. "unneeded redirect") than Road Runner (song), when two of the three songs are called "Road Runner" (Diddley, 1960 and Holland–Dozier–Holland, 1965) and only one is called "Roadrunner" (Richman, 1972)? benzband ( talk ) 12:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Because Roadrunner (song) is getting nearly 3 hits a day - goodness knows from where - while Road Runner (song) has only just been created. But I've changed my mind and unprotected - redirects are cheap. If you want to put Road Runner (song) back (but strictly as a redirect ), I will not stop you. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The other page does get a hit every now and then. I've submitted the page at AfC/Redirects so a third party can decide. benzband  ( talk ) 13:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox deleted
You have deleted my article in my sandbox User:WSFluency/sandbox, but seem to be with out a reason. Is there any reason make my sandbox have to be deleted? --WSFluency (talk) 19:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, for the Fluency Translation article, looks like you deleted with out any discuss or suggestion? --WSFluency (talk) 19:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Since the text was the same, it is possible that the reason for deletion of your sandbox was the same as for deletion of Fluency Translation. What need was there for any discussion? Blatant spam is blatant spam. You want a suggestion? See above. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Format
It had been a while since I did the archive I forgot the right format for it. Sorry. --RJR3333 (talk) 09:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

FoWL
FoWL had one, and only one, citation, on Slashdot, on the very day Julian Assange sought asylum in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. I figured we'd get in on the ground floor. kencf0618 (talk) 00:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

The Oogieloves in the Big Balloon Adventure
The Oogieloves in the Big Balloon Adventure article was deleted in March of 2011, no doubt justifiably, but with the film nearing a release in "Oogust" (Really, that's what the posters actually say!), it looks as if it should make a comeback along with the deleted redirect The Oogieloves. It would be strange and perhaps even inappropriate for a mainstream film to not have an article, so somebody might as well get the restoration out of the way (Think of it like the momentary pain of tearing a bandage off.) Alert the powers that be to ... uh... "fix" the article to make it acceptable, so, like the Phoenix from the ashes, Oogieloves might Live Again! &mdash; 4.254.81.178 (talk) 05:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't talk to IP addresses. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Me again, this time logged in. Ditto the above, though I'm concerned any further delays of at least consideration of the request could make the Oogieloves cry, and we mustn't have that on our conscience! But anyway, yours was not the response I was expecting. We who are mostly IP addresses obviously have nothing to contribute and are not worthy of a (real) response as the information provided is somehow tainted, so we are best left ignored. After all, in my little game of dynamic IP address bread crumb dropping, I've only made well over a thousand usually-minor-but-sometimes-significant edits (probably more like 1500+) in the past five years. For IP edits everywhere, Oogieloves Forever! &mdash; Klknoles (talk) 15:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Coming from an IP address, I automatically assumed that the message was from the blatant spammer who created the article, especially with its crap about "powers that be". Once you log in, I can see a short but varied contribs history which suggests you may not have a COI. However this "powers that be" still puzzles me. Who on earth do you think these "powers that be" are? Am I one of them? If not why? Are you one of them? Why do you not have the power to fix the article?
 * I have e-mailed you the text. I am very dubious as to what extent a movie in a cinema can be made interactive so I strongly recommend you to wait until the movie has been released and has received some critical mention before you create any article. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The Powers That Be are merely the... IlluminatiLizardPeopleWhoRuleTheWorld! That's all. No, you're reading too much into this, I just mean the folks like the article rescue squadron and at project film who could be told the article as it was upon its original deletion was unacceptable but having been brought back needs to be improved (They're better at that sort of thing and that's part of why they exist.), and articles when brought back should ideally contain their original history. (At least that's always seemed important.) As for any contribution to the article, I'd be able to do little more than call it an "Upcoming children's film", with an IMDb link and some categories. I was amused when I saw the (talking) poster while waiting for a midnight showing of MIBIII and later caught the trailer and figured a (by now certainly not so) quick note about the article resurrection and some redlinks awaiting "bluification" were in order, but... fine. Forget it and let its inevitable recreation be sans the original history. Klknoles (talk) 14:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * So why have you not alerted these powers? And why should the re-creation be sans history? As soon as it gets re-created, you have only to ask me and I will restore the original history. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:09, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Gossip Girl DAB
You just moved back the DAB page to Gossip Girl here. Why? Making Gossip Girl a DAB page was undiscussed. There is even a previous consensus through a WP:RM to keep the TV show at Gossip Girl. Nymf hideliho! 10:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The incoming links from the (article) namespace were absolutely clean so I had no hesitation in doing the requested move. But if you feel different, I will stand back and take no action. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. No worries. I placed another CSD at it. I don't think I can make the move myself as a non-admin. Nymf hideliho! 10:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC) I think you misunderstand. If you look at the history of the page, that's what I already did before you moved the DAB page to Gossip Girl. There was never a request to move the DAB page to Gossip Girl. The earlier CSD which you acted upon was for Gossip Girl (TV series) → Gossip Girl. A confused Nymf hideliho! 11:41, 22 June 2012 (UTC) I do understand. I already did exactly that once. That is my point. Nymf hideliho! 12:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No. You should have moved it back to Gossip Girl (disambiguation) before applying the db-move tag. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:41, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstand. I say that you should have moved Gossip Girl to Gossip Girl (disambiguation) and then applied this edit to the redirect left at Gossip Girl. Indeed come to think of it, you can still do exactly that. Do you understand now? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:48, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good, so you have done it again. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Linh Nga Nguyen‎
Where in the world does it say no consensus to move? When one party doesn't talk it is hard to have a consensus. Why are you going against Wikipedia policy per Naming conventions (Vietnamese)? Her Vietnamese name is Nguyen Linh Nga. As ALL Vietnamese people never go by their surname].  [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite (talk) 23:47, 22 June 2012 (UTC)