User talk:RHaworth/2013 Aug 20

 wikify! Slovenly is a word I find myself using quite a bit at the moment. Slovenly is what I think of anybody who leaves a message here about an article and fails to provide a wikilink to the article. How do you expect me to read the article if you don't link to it? I reserve the right to ignore any message which does not provide links where appropriate or has not been signed with ~. Even if the article has been deleted, you should still link to it. And if that sounds like a grumpy old man, it's because I am ...

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion
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Travelers' Century Club
Hi. You speedy deleted Travelers' Century Club due to a copyright violation. The article is no longer there for me to review the history, but I am fairly certain that (1) only portion of the article was a copy of the list of retired countries, (2) the article had earlier versions without this information. I understand we normally do not undelete copyright violations, but in this case, I beleive there is a properly licensed version without copyright violations that should be there. The article has just been kept due at Articles for deletion/Travelers' Century Club. Can this be restored? Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 00:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * had inflated the article with tables which may have been copyvios but certainly added nothing to the article. I have restored and reverted to a reasonable length version. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you also restore the corresponding talk page, Talk:Travelers' Century Club? -- Whpq (talk) 10:18, 6 August 2013 (UTC) Thanks again! -- Whpq (talk) 13:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Restored. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Do not even think about editing Travelers' Century Club until you have received approval from [another user]" Really? I find your request not to even think without permission highly uncivil and unnecessarily personal. It made me feel quite belittled. I respectfully request that you strike out your comment from my talk page and replace it with something more constructive and perhaps along the lines of WP:Civility. &mdash; Truther2012 (talk) 16:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You are being over-sensitive. My remark was well within the limits of what is acceptable as parliamentary language. But is you can suggest a form of words which you find acceptable and which expresses my feelings just as forcibly, then I will accept it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:04, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So, you indeed imply, that I need to ask permission to think about a given topic, left alone edit an article in an open source encyclopedia? Well, I disagree. I have no idea what feelings you are trying to express and why they need to be expressed forcibly (I hope we are still talking about editing articles). If you dont want me to include a particular piece of information (which btw, was discussed on the talk page), you can simply say so and state your reasons. Truther2012 (talk) 18:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is a strong warning not to add that list of "Retired Countries & Territories" again, as it was a plain copyright violation (copyvio), and that list "Geographic Directory of TCC Countries & Territories", as it was at least too close paraphrasing or perhaps also copyvio. The Banner talk 19:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

My little animal tales
Hello, RHaworth! IMDB confirms that there is no television series titled "My Little Animal Tales" that ever existed. I have removed the attempts to falsely credit living actors to this hoax production from, who is clearly the same user as the page creator,. Could you please delete this parent hoax article as well (you zapped the "List of episodes" article recently). Thank you! Doc  talk  10:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Third Industrial Revolution deletion
Hi RHaworth, I saw that the Third Industrial Revolution page was deleted completely because of copyright infringement in the first section. The section in question is a direct quote from the book, so can I cite it, or just reword it - whatever you think is best. I can also contact Jeremy Rifkin directly and get his permission if that's easier. Let me know what needs to change to get the page back up and running. Thanks for the help! Edit: link: &mdash; Flourish4520 (talk) 14:10, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please learn wikilinks. I have simply restored. Duplication detector reported nothing. If there is any copyvio, I suggest re-word. I also suggest you speak to who applied the speedy tag. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

element14
Hi, I see that you deleted a page named "element14" some months back. Since I cannot create a new article under this title, the title appears to have been salted. What I wanted to do was to redirect "element14" (this exact spelling, that is lowercase and no space) to the existing article Premier Farnell, since this is one of the names under which they trade. Can you help out, please? Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * A syndrome I see quite often - I think both Delete Blood Cancer DKMS and Travelers' Century Club (see above) had been victims - someone with a COI comes along, converts an existing article to spam and thereby causes it to be deleted. lowercasetitle is pretty meaningless on a redirect. Restored. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:29, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks.
 * I still have applied lowercase title as it will at least work when viewing the redirect page directly and it documents the proper capitalization of a term (which otherwise would not be documented anywhere in the redirect article and therefore might have the unintentional mid-term side-effect of "creating" new capitalization/spelling variants. At least theoretically, bots and smart editors could check for the existance of the flag on a page and prompt users adding this redirect into articles if they write it incorrectly. So, it's more a semantic thing for the future "Web 3.0", than of much immediate use...
 * Greetings --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

IES Abroad
While reading Janet Napolitano's bio, I saw and clicked on the link to IES Abroad or the Institute for the International Education of Students. It indicated that you had deleted the page. Can you explain further why? I am one of the 80,000 alums of IES, and was interested in reading the entry. The links to IES Abroad (aka Institute for the International Education of Students, formerly Institute of European Studies) in various other articles, including bios of Ms. Napolitano, John Irving, Daniel Quinn, and Jeff Zucker are now dead links.  has current info on this educational institution with campuses an several continents. (Sorry if my post makes newbie mistakes.) &mdash; Suzanneemerson (talk) 20:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is an hangover from days when Wikipedia was more lax about demanding evidence of notability. You may argue that AfD is not the right way to get such evidence added but I am not willing to simply restore it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Aaron John David Hazker
It's just a silly test page. Let it be. Bearian (talk) 23:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The image File:Jim Carrey Cannes 2009.jpg used in the page has a personality rights warning. If you are satisfied that no-ones personality rights are being violated then I am happy too. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

About User:KelleyEarl
... is an old friend of Wikimedia actually. See NTSAMR. I would recommend you to block that account too. Probably my fault. I should have given more specific details in the db-tag. Regards -- Glaisher  [talk]  17:02, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Fabio legarda
Hello, RHaworth! This article: Fabio legarda was deleted earlier this month by User:INeverCry, but he/she appears to be retired in protest, and since I know that you have been deleting a lot of my nominations for deletion, I wonder if you might not check to see if this article: Articles for creation/Fabio legarda is a recreation of the same content and should also be deleted. The original article was referenced at http://www.pack6.us/fabio-legarda-122361 on the same day it was deleted, which is what called my attention to it. Thanks. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The AfC submission is a much shorter version. This is the anomaly of AfC: submit to article space and we can speedily delete - submit to AfC and the rule book says we must wait in case the author comes back to improve it. Fortunately we do now have G13 of which I am an energetic user. SO put a note in your diary to tag this with G13 on 2014 Jan 10. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will just move it to Wikipedia talk:  and then leave it alone.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 18:05, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

MarkMeets
I recently created a page for a notable UK media outlet/organization MarkMeets and it was marked for speedy deletion. There were notable links from Daily Mail and other outlets showing the site which is sourced many times on here. Accordily to wiki policy and similar sites it should have remained. It was well constructed, original content, impartial so maybe it could go to AfC. Please review and adjust the article accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IanYoung2013 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Since I have not used it for at least 72 hours, I will trot out my usual mantra: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your website is notable and writes about it here. But if you really insist, go ahead and submit via AfC. As you can see from the immediately previous thread here, even if it gets rejected, it is virtually guaranteed six months presence on Wikipedia. Incidentally has it crossed your mind that if you write an article about a website, it might be an idea to link to the website from the article? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Dubai World Central
Dear User, I have contested the articles against speedy deletion (The articles that you have recently nominated for deletion and those that you have deleted), please re-consider them for non-deletion as the projects and well notable and under construction, i think it should not be deleted, even those project's articles are still present on Wikipedia whose construction has been halted. Thanks. Nabil rais2008 (talk) 19:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Articles about Dubai World Central and the airport will probably succeed. Separate articles about the other components especially those not yet built are extremely dubious - deal with them in the main article but by all means create redirects. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:38, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Its ok to mention them as separate component of Dubai World Central article, but i am not satisfied with the dubious status of the articles, ad there are too many dubious articles on Wikipedia, and many of them are even not built, e.g: Pentominium a super tall skyscraper of 516 m was under construction in Dubai, but for the last 2 years its construction has been halted, even though its article still exist on Wikipedia, so can we still consider them as separate article ???

There are dozens of articles on Wikipedia that are dubious (Under construction) but there future is probably not known or clear you can find examples of those articles.

Thanks

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the required deletions. Pldx1 (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Andre Béteille
Hello can you please do a History merge of Andre Béteille with Andre Beteille. The later one was turned to a redirect in this diff. Thanks. The Legend  of Zorro  19:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Geneva Jacuzzi
Hi, you recently deleted the page Geneva jacuzzi and I was wondering what the next steps are for the page. I can provide a number of reputable journalists who have written about her (New York Times, Vogue, Vice Magazine, Pitchfork, etc.) which I think merits a page. She is also mentioned under the page for Ariel Pink and is certainly a culturally relevant figure. How shall I proceed? Thanks. Gammarainman (talk) 22:13, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I am wondering whether you have a COI. Even if you have no COI, following this advice to find a sponsor might be useful. So why are you telling me now about reputable journalists - these references should have been in the article obviously. Improvr the refs and resubmit via AfC. (And spell her name with a capital J!) &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:02, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Watts & Co.
Hi Roger, thank you for your help last night - much appreciated! I'll be in touch when ready.

Going to try and sign out now...

Shoutjim  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoutjim (talk • contribs) 08:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted "Lao sto" redirect?
Hi. This morning I created the page Lao sto to redirect to Strontium Titanate-Lanthanum Aluminate Interface. Lao sto is a very common abbreviation that people in this subfield use to refer to this materials interface. In fact, when I told a colleague that I wrote an article on the subject, "lao sto" was his first search term to try and find it. Could you please undelete the page or explain why you think it should stay deleted? I think it's a worthwhile redirect to keep, given that a high proportion of users looking for the page will type the common shorthand for it, lao sto. Thanks! Tedsanders (talk) 17:44, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Your message gives a very good reason for not re-creating it - it would be a redirect to a non-existent page. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So what is preventing you recreating it? But to reduce the risk of it being nominated again, make sure that in the target article you actually state that lao sto is a commonly used abbreviation. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I figured the right protocol is to contact the person who deleted it rather than recreate it without discussion. I'll recreate it and take your advice to add a statement that lao sto is a commonly used abbreviation. Thanks! Tedsanders (talk) 18:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Mail2riteshyadav socks
Hi RHaworth, I saw that you'd blocked User:Ritesh.hcg as a sock of User:Mail2riteshyadav. Another sock, created today, is User:Riteshyadavhcg who not only confirms being the same user but also continues the exact same behaviour with copyright violations - he should be blocked as well, I think. --bonadea contributions talk 09:33, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article about ICAME
For the third time - goodness, it's hard to figure out how to get through to you! The article was a mix of quoted information from the ICAME web site and material I wrote. If you will provide me with a copy - I didn't keep one of my own as I didn't anticipate all this - I'll revise it and hope it will pass muster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfrancis51 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Some people manage to get through to me on the first attempt. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your organisation is notable and writes about it here. If you really insist on trying to force an article in, please note that the title should be simply International Computer Archive of Modern English with a redirect from ICAME and we do not shout the heading to the external links section. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:36, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do I bother to reply. I gave you two specific bits of advice - you ignored both of them. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:45, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Do AfC's belong in WP or WP talk?
I noticed you moved Articles for creation/Why Time & Angles Share the same names and value of Increments to the Wikipedia talk namespace. Is that where all AfC's belong? If so, why is there a link on the AfC template to move it to the Wikipedia namespace? Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC) Template:AFC submission/tools (transcluded on all the AfC templates) has a link "To project space" that moves it to the Wikipedia namespace. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC) I found [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:AFC_submission/tools&diff=361990729&oldid=361990577 this], [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:AFC_submission/tools&diff=312144484&oldid=312078435 this], and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alpha_Quadrant&oldid=362034615#Template:AFC_submission.2Ftools this] while looking at how it got that way. If is correct, the ideal process is that the AfC's start life in WP talk (because they have to), and then get moved to WP, so that WP talk can be used to discuss the submission. Does this sound right to you? Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC) I found out that it's not as clear-cut as I thought. See here if you're interested. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * AfCs should be in Wikipedia_talk - the idea is to allow even IP addresses to create them. I have just tried which definitely creates links to Wikipedia_talk. Be specific: which component of the AFC templates contains this alleged link to the Wikipedia: namespace. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:31, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, in the, reviewer tools bit there is a link which I say is definitely wrong. I made a quick attempt to fix it and it did not seem to work. If you can fix it, do so. The links that matter are the visible ones at "this page should probably be located at &hellip;" which do point to WP_talk. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Have a look at all pages with prefix "articles for creation" in the Wikipedia namespace, I reckon that 5% or less have been moved from WP_talk to WP to create space for discussion. Most are incorrect moves from user sandboxes or hand created by mis-guided users. But I shall I shall stop moving articles back to the WP namespace. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:43, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, here is that coming from... @Jackmcbarn just for interest: what is the actual problem? (or which is it not?) (ah and please and don't say it has something to do "all about the /tools") mabdul 21:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is that the submissions are split among both right now, and some people submit the same thing to both namespaces. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Is that really a problem if new contributors submit their draft multiple times? That happens so often, some don't even recognize that they can edit a page multiple times! I believe Wikipedia has bigger problems than a few doubled submissions. mabdul 05:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Viper Recordings
Hello,. ould you please restore the article Viper Recordings to User:Launchballer/Viper Recordings because one of their artists, Brookes Brothers, has just had a #71 hit with Carry Me On? Thank you.-- Laun  chba  ller  09:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Audiencias
Thank you for moving the Audiencia article back to the singular. TriniMuñoz (talk) 10:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

William A. Reuben
Requests for undeletion

Hi RHaworth. Could you take a look -- you deleted this page per G13 on August 1. It seems not to be a abandoned draft suitable for G13 since it was an actual article and not an AfC. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Shemini Atzeret/sandbox
Hi. At this point, I think this page (or, more likely, its talk page) was being retained because it contained some edit history that needed to be retained. This was one of my earlier efforts on Wikipedia, and I think I got incorrect advice on where to park this history. In any event, would you please have a look? If either this page or its talk page has material edit history, you can restore it to my user space at User:StevenJ81/sandbox/Shemini Atzeret. If not, just respond here (I'll watch) and we'll be fine. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:03, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the useful stuff was in the talk page. Restored and moved. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Powerhouse
Oh you beat me to it. I was just in the process of confirming that I want to decline A7 when you deleted it. It apparently had two notable members, who were former members of Geordie (band). On that basis, I would recommend that you undelete it and decline A7, and let them AfD it. But I don't feel strongly about it. Cheers. -- Y not? 20:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Right. Powerhouse rock band -- Y not? 20:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You don't link to the article in question. Why should I have to guess about what you are talking? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I do! Per WP:MUSICBIO criterion #6, "an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles" meets the criteria.-- Laun  chba  ller  20:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Restored. Unspeedy it quickly if you think it deserves it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:54, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No no, I would never undo your decision without your prior consent. -- Y not? 22:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

It's now in a much better state, albeit still refless. Now could you have a look at some of the older posts - and below, please? Thank you.-- Laun  chba  ller  21:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

thx
d'oh for the WT:AFC correction. this needed (of course) more coffee... ;-) THX. mabdul 21:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Editathon

 * Thank you. I enjoyed the exercise. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Africans Unite Against Child Abuse
HI! I am new to wikipedia, editing, talk pages etc so I apalogise now if the format of this is wrong. I posted a page a weeks or so ago AFRUCA - Africans Unite Against Child Abuse and it was speedily deleted. I can understand that as I had not understood that even though I had permission from AFRUCA to write the page I still could not copy from their website.

The reason for this comment is because it said that I should contact you first before attempting to post again. What do I need to do to get the new page up? Thank you :) Benson Cole (talk) 15:27, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You don't need permission from the subject of an article to write an article about them (you just can't copy their content, as you discovered). If AFRUCA wants you to write a page about them, you have a conflict of interest. You shouldn't write pages about things you have an affiliation with. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

AFRUCA did not ask me to write the page. I read on a Wikipedia help page that you must ask the company if you want to use information about them which might be copyrighted so i telphoned and asked if I can use information from their website such as their mission statement, aims etc. &mdash; Benson Cole (talk) 16:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, COI isn't an issue then. The problem was that permission over a phone call isn't good enough. The new page you wrote doesn't have a copyright problem, but it doesn't assert importance of the subject. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * More recently you tried Africans Unite Against Child Abuse. Just for once, I will accept your claim to have no COI. The problem with copying from their website is not just one of copyright, more importantly it is that mission statement, aims, etc. are usually pretty trite and unencyclopedic. If you want to try again, start from the bottom - the references. We must have links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. If you can put together a decent article, resubmit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

OK. What needs to be included that asserts importance of the subject? Is there maybe a help page I can refer to? Thanks for the help! Benson Cole (talk) 21:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you see the words above "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources"? Do you see that they are a link? Have you tried following that link? Have you actually looked at any other Wikipedia articles to see what sort of references they contain? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry RHaworth. I had posted that comment in reply to Jackmcbarn before I had seen your response. I have created a sandbox page with my understanding of that page you supplied the link to. If you could have a look I would be very grateful - User:Benson Cole/sandbox &mdash; Benson Cole (talk) 10:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Please learn wikilinks. I have made two important style recommendations in HTML comments. Reduce the independent references to no more than a dozen and definitely remove any others that link to sites that require a log in. Then resubmit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:51, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Stone-Wave
Hi - I am editing the Richard_Rhodes_(sculptor) page and I uploaded File:01-Rhodesworks Design Studio-Stone-Wave-Antique Granite Pavers-Tacoma Art Museum.jpg to replace File:Rhodesworks Design Studio AntiqueGranite Untitled-Stone Wave Tacoma Art Museum Sculpture Richard Rhodes.jpg.

I would like to use the first because Richard Rhodes, the owner of both images, gave me specific permission to use the first (the file that was deleted.)  See ticket number #2013080710001465. I'm a new editor and I can't figure out how to delete the original file, without the specific permission. Please advise and/or put File:01-Rhodesworks Design Studio-Stone-Wave-Antique Granite Pavers-Tacoma Art Museum.jpg back up in place of File:Rhodesworks Design Studio AntiqueGranite Untitled-Stone Wave Tacoma Art Museum Sculpture Richard Rhodes.jpg. Many thanks, KDS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdavis KDS (talk • contribs) 21:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Both titles were ridiculously long - the image description is the right place for this stuff not the title itself. I have moved it to File:Untitled-Stone Wave 01.jpg and extended the no permission period. I am not able to see OTRS tickets but I suspect the permission could be applied to the new title but, failing that, go back to Richard Rhodes and get explicit permission for the image on its present title. Please also try and get something bigger than a paltry 480&times;480px image. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:23, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Mohanbari, Haryana
Hi, way back in February 2012 you userfied an article that I had tagged for CSD. That article is now at User:Jakhar83/sandbox, where the only subsequent edits have come from three anons, all based in very different locations. If nothing else, the sandboxing would appear to be causing confusion. Do these things get indexed by Google or whatever? Is it now time to call it a day and delete? - Sitush (talk) 11:57, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Google has been indexing it in user space and within five minutes (!) it has picked it up in its new location at Mohanbari, Haryana. Please explain what confusion it might be causing. I have a sympathetic attitude to settlement articles - if a UK village of 1200 people qualifies for an article, why should not an Indian village qualify. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I came across Rewari Khera which is very much the same style. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I meant confusion regarding people editing it, thinking that the article was "live". However, you are likely on dodgy ground being sympathetic to Indian village articles. For starters, a lot of the so-called places turn out not to exist officially, are impossible to source reliably and go under numerous names. There is a huge difference between small places in India and small places in the UK, sorry, and the inherent notability of such things cannot be justified. That is why over 1,000 were nuked in one session a couple of years ago, following a discussion at ANI. - Sitush (talk) 14:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Help?
Hi you recently, deleted some information I incorrectly posted. I realize that the users I was trying to leave messages for had not created user pages yet which was why I could not leave them talk page messages... (Sorry). However, I need to leave these users messages regarding an edit-a-thon I have been put in charge of planning. However, now when I go to create an userpage for these users so I can leave them a message. I am instead being asked to create an article instead of a user page... I am not sure how to fix this and am relatively new to Wikipedia. Is there any advice or tips you could give me? 00:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC) MJMcGowan

I tried to move the article page to a user page and have accidentally done this User:User:_Hoda.b Please help I really trying to do this all correctly. :( 00:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)~MJMcGowan


 * Cannot talk to them because they have not created a user page!! Whence did you get that weird notion? There are tens of thousands of user_talk pages with no corresponding user pages. Also the convention is that user pages are generally only touched by that user. For example, it should be left to User:Avrilverdison to decide whether she wants a user page. I have tidied up your mistakes. In future, if you make a mistake use db-author to clean up after yourself. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I appreciate your help since as you can tell I was very confused. 16:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC) MJMcGowan

With your blessing...
I'd like to restore Dabangg 3, userfy it for some expansion and sourcing, and then move it to the Incubator. Okay with you?  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 01:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You have my blessing, my son. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Redraft of article
Hi. You recently deleted the page Artificial Solutions. I've now re drafted the article and would like to resubmit it. You can see it on my sandbox page. -User:MurrayMunch/sandbox If you still think it needs work to be accepted please let me know. MurrayMunch (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please declare your COI. Launch the new version via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Jeff Rutt
Hi Roger, I tried publishing a page about Jeff Rutt yesterday, founder of Hope International and Homes for HOPE. The page was deleted by you citing rules A7 and G11.

We have re-written this content and removed any mention of his private business. The page is strictly about his philanthropy now. I believe Jeff Rutt is a notable figure because he created an organization that helps under-privileged families across the Globe. Furthermore, the co-founder of Hope International, Peter Greer, also has a Wikipedia page that mentions Jeff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EgglestonKyle (talk • contribs)


 * It is interesting, but it does not assert his notability in any meaningful sense, nor are there, yet, references in reliabel sources for any of the facts stated in the article. To have a place here the subject of the article by be first notable and then verified as notable.
 * Greer's having an article is a distraction, I'm afraid. No article on Wikipedia sets any precedent for any other article. We discuss articles in a free standing manner.
 * One route forward is to use the fully reviewed WP:AFC route. Might I suggest you try that and pay heed to the reviewers there? No-one wants to delete articles here, but we do delete those that fail to step over the bar. Fiddle   Faddle  16:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Your sandbox is the proper place for article drafts. Why do you feel it necessary to shout the word hope? Why do you use external link format for internal links and why do wrap them up in &lt;ref> tags which are inappropriate for a user_talk page? As Timtrent says your article stands no chance of succeeding without proper references. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/EmRob07
You've speedied away some subset of Daredevil Project, Daredevil Tournament, Daredevil Tournaments, and they've been speedied by other people, but they've become rather hardy perennials. Could some more drastic action be taken? Pinkbeast (talk) 17:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. (I'm leaving Paul Archer (adventurer) for AFD). Pinkbeast (talk) 17:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Njomza Vitia
I don't know why the page Njomza was deleted? She is very important and famous. Her twitter is verified, she is well known in Chicago and in Albania & Kosovo. I dont understand why! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denihoxha (talk • contribs) 19:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Why did you shout the woman's name and use only her given name? Surely the title should be Njomza Vitia? But are you surprised it was deleted if the best evidence of notability you can offer is a Twitter account? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello RHaworth. This is not shouting. I apologize. It was all in capital letters because her name on her songs on YouTube is like that. I apologize. I did not mean to shout. & the name should not be Njomza Vitia, because her stage name is Njomza. & I'm sorry for only providing her Twitter account but I can offer more. Please can the page be recreated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denihoxha (talk • contribs) 00:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So state in the first sentence "Njoma is the stage name of Njoma Vitia" and, if you really insist, you can add "styled NJOMA". Of course the page can recreated - preferably via AfC but only when you have added decent evidence of notability. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 07:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

contest speedy deletion
Hello. I would like to contest your speedy deletion of Articles_for_deletion/Thirty_Years_of_Research_on_Race_Differences_in_Cognitive_Ability. What is the best way to do that? Yfever (talk) 09:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's parked back in your user area - User:Yfever/Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability. Ritchie333   (talk)   (cont)   11:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Maud
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Arthur Maud. Just a head's up, a user has questioned your deletion of this AFC submission per WP:CSD at WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Ritchie333  (talk)   (cont)   11:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Keller Corp
I feel that your recent comment on my talk page was uncollegial. Isn't there a Wikipedia standard regarding civility? Writing "How can you possibly expect an article toatlly [sic] devoid of references to succeed? " is not something that reflects a supportive and collaborative environment. Your statement about the image is incorrect, but even so, the link you posted is dead. If you are in fact trying to educate people about the best practices for Wikipedia, you might want to slow down and embrace a more collegial tone.

Brooklyn-alvin (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia standard for civility is here, although RHaworth and I both prefer parliamentary language. (The difference is minimal.) I have fixed the link to what he meant on your talk page.-- Laun  chba  ller  17:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:01, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

21st Century Man/Achtung Mutha
I just borrowed this album from the library and wanted to find out something about it before I listen. Wikipedia is normally my starting point for this. I was a bit surprised to find the page deleted. As I read your A9 comment it is partly because there is no Wikipedia entry for Luke Haines - maybe true in 2009 but there is now. As for it not being notable, musical tastes vary but I didn't think dislike was a good reason for deletion.

Please can the page be restored. &mdash; Simon Davies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsd53uk (talk • contribs) 09:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC) Not sure if your email means you have agreed to re-instate the Wikipedia entry? &mdash; Jsd53uk via e-mail.
 * An article that could not even manage to say "is an album by Luke Haines" is not worthy of restoration. I have e-mailed you the content. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:13, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Having established that user_talk is the correct place, why do you continue the thread by e-mail? E-mailing you the text was an indication that I do not intend to restore the page. In fact the Luke Haines article was created way back on 2004-11-22. If the author of 21st Century Man/Achtung Mutha had managed to include Luke's name the article would probably of stuck. I am even more apathetic about the subject than you are so I will do nothing. An article will get written eventually. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:01, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Al Ain handball club
Dear RHaeorth; I'd like to know how come is Al Ain handball club is a company!! its a sport team plays handball, you deleted the article under the reason of its a company! please return the article or provide me with the source to create the page again. You can find this team in uae handball federation website: http://www.uaehandball.com/ar/page-showonepage-reg.aspx thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch.mohd (talk • contribs) 10:25, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a run of the mill organisation.-- Laun  chba  ller  10:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What's "non-notable" to you is not always "non-notable" to a lot of other people. Perhaps you are and exclusionist, a deletionist? Or someone who thinks so much of themselves that you must insist that what doesn't interest YOU is automatically "non-notable"? Typical Wikipedia elitist. 71.217.118.73 (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear RHaworth; Can you please provide me the reason lets you delete the article about Al Ain Club Games Sports? It's one of the most famous sports club in The UAE, it's not a company! If you please return the article back so I can develop it.. you may look in the network about the club. thank you.--Ch.mohd (talk) 08:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It does not matter that they are not companies - db-org can be applied to any organisation. As Launchballer says, Al Ain handball club is unlikely ever to be deemed notable, though if you manage to get an article in about the main club, one sentence about the handball club might be allowed within it. Al Ain Club Games Sports might just possibly be notable but you will need to create a well referenced article. Please try a title which is idiomatic in English. Your suggestion of Al Ain Club Sports Games is just as bad. Ain Sports and Cultural Club as used in the Al Ain FC article is the obvious choice. I cannot return the text - read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the way I'm being called an elitist even though six months ago I was blocked for sockpuppetry. Do I really behave like an administrator and thus, would I make a good one?-- Laun  chba  ller  22:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * the reason that the two article has similar name is: "Al ain" is the name of a city in UAE. I will recreate Al Ain club Sports Games again and put all the sports played by the club in it, I think you are right one article is enough. Thank you --Ch.mohd (talk) 05:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

inre 1:30 am
With respects, I removed your speedy as the thing was already at AFD. We have had an editor playing fast and loose with redirects. This was originally at 1:30 am, got moved to the ridiculous 1:30 am (Award Winning Bengali Film) and then to 1:30 am (Film) before finally being returned to its proper title. Along the way much edit history was lost... including my own earlier work to the article. How can we recover the lost history?  Schmidt,  Michael Q.`
 * How to recover the history? Why on earth are you asking me? I restored it myself before I realised that you are an admin. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. I admit to having had problems with hist merges. Always good to have someone do it who has had success doing so. Best,  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 00:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Legiotex
Hi RHaworth. My article has been deleted several times and I can not explain why. Only you give a notice to be promotional and nothing else. I want to improve but not help me and say how. Because the article talks about a material, Legiotex. If mine is deleted because eg. Goretex is not deleted? Thank you very much for your attention. &mdash; Rubendesign (talk) 09:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope you read my previous comment on this subject. Other stuff exists is never an argument. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your project is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

SAE India
Sir, as per the guidlines of Wikipedia, I have edited the article of SAEINDIA. Kindly grant me the permission as it is with SAE International — Preceding unsigned comment added by Er. Avinash Singh (talk • contribs) 11:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to User:Er. Avinash Singh/sandbox. It contains too much shouting and spammy language and not enough independent references. If you can fix these matters, re-submit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * , I give you the choice: you can have it in your sandbox to work on at your leisure or you can have an AfD discussion now. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Musashigawa stable
If you vandalize the Musashigawa stablepage again I will report you. Ignorance is not an excuse for vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leveni (talk • contribs) 11:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

This is your second warning. Do not vandalize the page again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leveni (talk • contribs) 11:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

For your convenience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leveni (talk • contribs) 12:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC) Once I get a third opinion I will be reporting you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leveni (talk • contribs) 12:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Removing an AfD is considered vandalism. It is also pointless since the AfD discusssion page still exists. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is your third opinion. As RHaworth stated, removal of AFD templates is considered vandalism. Continuing to act in this manner may result in a block of your account, equating to a suspension of your editing privileges. RHaworth has been more than generous with you. Reporting editors for acting in accordance with our deletion policy is a bit ironic and would essentially come back to bite you. Do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, as you did with Musashigawa stable. It is to your benefit to keep the template on the article. Otherwise, it may be difficult to reach consensus. If you disagree with the deletion of the article, the appropriate response would be to participate in the community discussion instead. Best regards, Cindy ( talk ) 13:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Cindamuse has told you that articles must contain references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Please point me to any such references in any of these articles . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

@RHaworth, @Cindamuse and @MrScorch I'll be making complaint about @MrScorch, @RHaworth and @Cindamuse. Collectively your actions are pack-dog style harassment and vandalism. Hopefully at the end of complaining about your actions, articles as popular as Sumo (which collectively bring in about 1 million hits a year) will not be treated with contempt, based on ignorance, by administrators, like @MrScorch, @RHaworth and @Cindamuse. Leveni 20 Aug 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leveni (talk • contribs) 03:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Re:Please point me to any such references: This is known as willful ignorance. There was already a link to the official [Sumo federation home page]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leveni (talk • contribs) 03:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

This is what I submitted to the Admin notice board [Link]. Although I mentioned no names, the policy said I had to notify all those involved. Leveni--Leveni (talk) 06:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Colombian architects
Re: Álvaro Barrera and Ricardo La Rotta Caballero. Hi RHaworth. I noticed these articles were speedily deleted. Could you please move them to my userspace so I can have a look at them and see if I can make use of what they contained or perhaps improve them so they can be included? Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Userfied. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Have a great week. Candleabracadabra (talk) 21:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Undelete request
Hi Roger. Yesterday you deleted File:Nicholas_Johnson.jpg. The uploader appears credibly to be the subject of the image and has posted at WP:HELP (here). Any chance you could undelete? Formerip (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Heading text
Hi Roger, just wondering if you could consider undeleting the anti-slavery interventions page. I'm keen to propagate it with the interventions around the world that have been used. This source information is nowhere else on Wikipedia. Thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blogger277 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello RHaworth.

Thank you for your suggestions about the DELSA page. I am a member of the organization and feel it is noteworthy. It is a new alliance, and so small, but has a hub in India and is working on a hub in Europe and China. it is mentioned in http://neurolex.org/wiki/Category:Resource:DELSA, and in the Seattle trade alliance blog, http://seattletradealliance.com/blog/?p=7786 It was started by workshops funded by NSF, and founded with money from the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation.

I will try to your special page suggestion and see if I can work up to something acceptable. I read Beth's Blog where she detailed her work to get her non-profit into Wikipedia, and from that have the idea that third party coverage is key to support noteworthiness. please let me know if that is not correct! Thanks again Eastewart2010 (talk) 07:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)