User talk:RHaworth/2013 Sep 03

 wikify! Slovenly is a word I find myself using quite a bit at the moment. Slovenly is what I think of anybody who leaves a message here about an article and fails to provide a wikilink to the article. How do you expect me to read the article if you don't link to it? Even if the article has been deleted, you should still link to it. I reserve the right to ignore any message which does not provide links where appropriate, has no heading, is in the wrong place on this page or has not been signed with ~. And if that sounds like a grumpy old man, it's because I am ...

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion
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Al Ain handball club
Dear RHaworth; I'd like to know how come is Al Ain handball club is a company!! its a sport team plays handball, you deleted the article under the reason of its a company! please return the article or provide me with the source to create the page again. You can find this team in uae handball federation website: http://www.uaehandball.com/ar/page-showonepage-reg.aspx thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch.mohd (talk • contribs) 10:25, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a run of the mill organisation.-- Laun chba ller 10:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What's "non-notable" to you is not always "non-notable" to a lot of other people. Perhaps you are and exclusionist, a deletionist? Or someone who thinks so much of themselves that you must insist that what doesn't interest YOU is automatically "non-notable"? Typical Wikipedia elitist. 71.217.118.73 (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear RHaworth; Can you please provide me the reason lets you delete the article about Al Ain Club Games Sports? It's one of the most famous sports club in The UAE, it's not a company! If you please return the article back so I can develop it.. you may look in the network about the club. thank you.--Ch.mohd (talk) 08:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It does not matter that they are not companies - db-org can be applied to any organisation. As Launchballer says, Al Ain handball club is unlikely ever to be deemed notable, though if you manage to get an article in about the main club, one sentence about the handball club might be allowed within it. Al Ain Club Games Sports might just possibly be notable but you will need to create a well referenced article. Please try a title which is idiomatic in English. Your suggestion of Al Ain Club Sports Games is just as bad. Al Ain Sports and Cultural Club as used in the Al Ain FC article is the obvious choice. I cannot return the text - read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the way I'm being called an elitist even though six months ago I was blocked for sockpuppetry. Do I really behave like an administrator and thus, would I make a good one?-- Laun chba ller 22:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

The reason that the two article has similar name is: "Al ain" is the name of a city in UAE. I will recreate Al Ain club Sports Games again and put all the sports played by the club in it, I think you are right one article is enough. Thank you --Ch.mohd (talk) 05:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read my message? Please tell me what title you propose for your article and, if it is different from my suggestion, why you think yours is better. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If it was read it was not acted upon. See Al Ain Club Sports Games‎. Fiddle   Faddle  12:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

My article can't title with Al Ain FC or Al Ain Sports and Cultural Club because both names are for a different club (football club) while what i'm writing about has no relation with Al Ain football club. The name Al Ain Club Sports Games is the official name, that's why I've choose it. I think it's better (see this page) there is an Arabic Version in the Arabic Wiki for the club ar:نادي العين للألعاب الرياضية — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch.mohd (talk • contribs) 06:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please decide what you actually want to call the club. You say Al Ain Club Sports Games but in the article at ar: you link back to Al Ain Club Games Sports and the Khaleej Times article to which you link calls it Al Ain Other Sports Games. The Al Ain FC article specifically states that the football club is "one of many sport sections of the multi-sports club Al Ain Sports and Cultural Club" so why cannot handball, volleyball, basketball, etc. be sections of the club? Also the Khaleej Times article does nothing to convince me that the two clubs are totally independent. Have you other info? Like perhaps a page in English which lists both as separate clubs. Or location: can you confirm that Al Ain Sports and Cultural Club is at 24.5952°N, 55.7335°W? And if so where is Al Ain Other Sports Games? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

anti-slavery interventions
Hi Roger, just wondering if you could consider undeleting the anti-slavery interventions page. I'm keen to propagate it with the interventions around the world that have been used. This source information is nowhere else on Wikipedia. Thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blogger277 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The article was essential empty but I have restored it to User:Blogger277/sandbox. I think when you say "propagate" you mean "populate" and that is what you need to do. The slavery article is too big already so there is certainly scope for a new article. When you actually have an article, submit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Roger. Appreciate it and will resubmit as indicated shortly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.117.38 (talk • contribs)
 * Even for a short message like that, you should log in before writing. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

DELSA
Hello RHaworth, Thank you for your suggestions about the DELSA page. I am a member of the organization and feel it is noteworthy. It is a new alliance, and so small, but has a hub in India and is working on a hub in Europe and China. it is mentioned in this page, and in the Seattle trade alliance blog. It was started by workshops funded by NSF, and founded with money from the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation.

I will try to your special page suggestion and see if I can work up to something acceptable. I read Beth's Blog where she detailed her work to get her non-profit into Wikipedia, and from that have the idea that third party coverage is key to support noteworthiness. please let me know if that is not correct! Thanks again Eastewart2010 (talk) 07:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * So where did I give this "special page suggestion" and why cannot I have a link to Beth's Blog? Correct, independent refs are the key. Before you do anything else, read our views on contributors (such as Beth probably) with a COI and ask yourself whether it would be better to leave it until an independent editor thinks the organisation is notable. The article title should be simply Data-Enabled Life Sciences Alliance with a redirect from DELSA Global. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Deep Beat Entertainment
Dear RHaworth, The account LEs News 192837465 would like to ask for the created page Deep Beat Entertainment to be published and visible again as we wrote this article to recognise the Founder and the Business to be further established. We believe this is important to highlight the success of the Business and of the 15Yr Old (to this date) who created it. Thank you for your time, keeping it short but sweet. &mdash; LEs News 192837465 — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEs News 192837465 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Louis, I don't know how to talk to an account. So please make sure that you pass this message on to the account itself. Your article was a long way from being an article. Articles are not normally signed but you signed yours seven times! But the more important reason was that it was blatant self-promotion. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Islamica
Hello, RHworth. About six days ago, you deleted a page for Islamica that's been on the site for several years. You cited A7 as the reason for your deletion however according to the A7 guidelines, that criteria doesn't apply to to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance. Islamica was covered by numerous news outlets including MSNBC and NPR. Here's a few quick articles I dug up by a simple Google search: and .

Can you please undelete the page and let me know if there are any edits you deem necessary to keep it up? Thanks in advance for your consideration. &mdash; Azherahmed (talk) 05:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Please learn: about wikilinks, to clothe or collapse external links and to add new messages at the bottom of the page. Restored. If you look at the history, you will see that the title had been hijacked by a South African outfit. The two external links you quote are two that were already in the article which suggests to me that there may not be many others available. But it has survived for eight years so I will leave it be. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits to your user page
Hi, you do realise this edit added a link to a page which doesn't exist?-- Laun chba ller 10:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I spent ages trying to find the page in the WP: namespace. When I eventually found, it I left that note to myself. Even with w: instead of m: it would probably have worked to remind me. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Serbian language terms
Could you make a null-edit to and after that speedy delete Category:Redirects from Serbian language terms with the rationale: "was speedily renamed to Category:Redirects from Serbian-language terms per C2". Thanks, Armbrust The Homunculus 11:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Armbrust The Homunculus 11:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

G6 move
Hello can you please move User talk:Solomon7968/Quote to User talk:Solomon7968. I accidentally moved it intending to move the user page. Thanks in advance. SL7968 15:58, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. In fact if one reacts quickly enough, any user can reverse moves. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, Thanks. SL7968 17:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

A question for you
RHaworth and JohnCD: I posed a question to you at Hasteur's talk page-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

London Allergy and Immunology Centre
Hi, Roger! Thank you for deleting this particular piece of flotsam with such dispatch. I just wondered if you were aware that it has been recreated? I ask because I don't see a message here to you as deleting admin asking permission to do that, which I had an idea was what should happen in such cases. You probably know all about it anyway. Thanks again, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Well, I sort of assumed you would not watchlist every scrap of detritus you bin. I on the other hand still had it watchlisted from earlier today. Thank you again. I don't know about that "contact the deleting admin" message; it certainly used to show up when you tried to recreate a deleted page, but maybe it doesn't any more? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Reason for my doubt was that when I went to London Allergy and Immunology Centre to see what it said, it didn't show that message; but that, now that I think about it, is possibly because you placed special conditions on re-creation there? I've now checked another deleted page, and the expected message comes up. The determined spammer? I'm happy to say that it's the first time I've come across him in this guise. Thanks again, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I did not know and I am not as good as I should be at checking that my deletions have stayed deleted and my prods have actually been deleted. There is no rule that people must consult the deleting admin before recreating but doing so would save a lot of wasted effort. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure the message "&hellip; please first contact the deleting administrator &hellip;" comes up but is that going to have any effect on a determined spammer? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:51, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly, the message don't come up because I have protected the title. Of course you have never seen him before - he is a classic SPA. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Smartwatch
I find there is a lack of valid and up to date info on the latest technologies.

One of which I just wrote out a short description of a new highly successful wearable tech, the Pebble Smartwatch. I was expecting some users to fix it up abit and help make it a valid entry as well as maybe provide other links to relevant electronics and such information. But for some non-valid reason that short article wasn't fixed up and kept, it was speed deleted for "advertising" and I fail to see how an article about something doesn't advertise(give info on) the subject of the article.

The entry wasn't even thought through properly and added to even when I requested it to be. Explain why this happened and what can be done so the relevant topics I would like to research such as technology and various gadgets, are available and up to date.

Thank You From Brandon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akorathan94 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You have told us one of the reasons why the article was deleted: "entry wasn't even thought through properly". Being cynical, I shall assume you have a COI and advise you to wait until someone with no COI writes about this subject. I can assure you, one of the problems with Wikipedia is that too many of the editors are male computer geeks. Wikipedia is right at the front in reporting notable new technologies. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * We already have an article at Pebble (watch).
 * I'd also remind you of WP:AGF. No matter how cynical you are personally, you're still required to follow this. The Pebble has been a fairly substantial tech news story over recent months, for its technical innovation with an e-ink display, its commercial novelty of kickstarter funding and recently over delays in supply. There is no reason at all to assume COI in any editor over such a product. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Count me among the cynical. I blocked the user. He was disruptive and he was warned.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope no-one minds, but I've created the redirect from the spam title to the correct title.-- Laun chba <font color="#00F">ller 23:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The article title wasn't spam. I don't see a problem with the redirect.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

CIPM
Hi Rita, I'm trying to improve the Centre for Infection Prevention and_Management article I created that you then deleted. The new version is below. Can you tell me if this is acceptable now, or what I need to change in order to not have it deleted again? I'm new to Wikipedia and am struggling to get this page up. Thanks (Charlottegrady (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC))
 * Who's Rita? Anyway, messages go at the bottom of the page. There is no need to copy and paste the article here. Looking at it, I see that there are no independent references whatsoever.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 12:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Launchballer, you are too young to remember Rita Hayworth but that is whom Charlotte probably had in mind.
 * Charlotte, please note that Rita Hayworth was one of those benighted people who did not know how to spell her surname. This edit indicates that you still need to learn about wikilinks and in the current case to learn how to link to text instead of copying. When I see a link to the new version, I will reply. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Charlottegrady/sandbox. I was going to copy the text from here to there before realising it was already there...-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 14:49, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Launchballer, spoilsport - I was trying to get Charlotte to pull her finger out and give me the link.
 * Charlotte, apart from the CIPM article your contributions history is so eclectic that, being cynical, I suspect it may be a blind to conceal your COI. (It is also not escaped my notice that you submitted a bio about a young, male academic working in London.) But we are told to AGF so I will repeat what Launchballer has already told you that an article totally devoid of references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources stands very little chance of survival. If you really insist on trying to force an article in, to avoid another speedy deletion, re-submit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I felt a bit guilty because I'd referred to something and not linked to it. I'll leave it be next time.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 15:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No need to feel guilty. Others would have been far less kind and reprimanded me for newbie worrying (as in sheep worrying). Of course I could be reasonably expected to work out what Charlotte was talking about. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:08, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Mobility Carsharing
The speedy deletion of Mobility Carsharing is a little bit unfair in that it did not allow Wikipedians to improve it before deciding of its fate... And also because the reason you mentioned ("does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject") does not apply: it was stated in the article that it is the biggest car sharing company in Switzerland (see also The Emergence of a Nation-wide Carsharing Co-operative in Switzerland). And actually several websites even say it is the biggest in Europe ("Mobility CarSharing Suisse est le plus grand opérateur d'auto-partage d'Europe").

Could you please restore the article ? Thank you very much in advance. I and others will then continue to improve it. Spidyterre (talk) 18:14, 23 August 2013 (UTC). Thank you very much. I will try to improve it to the levels of a well-references encyclopaedia article. Snugcarmob (talk) 06:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC).
 * OK, "most important car sharing company in Switzerland" was an assertion of notability but if you cannot manage to provide evidence to support that assertion, you deserve to have it deleted. Restored to User:Snugcarmob/sandbox. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:17, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, this is none of my business, I just happened to notice it: why is the Mobility Carsharing article back in mainspace? and has anyone looked at the possibility of WP:COI here, based on the username? I'll butt out now, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:09, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Justlettersandnumbers, I initially zapped the article for a total lack of independent refs. I think that matter has now been fixed but if you still think it is spam or non-notable, feel free to propose deletion. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:14, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

SPA - advice please
This seems to be an area you're familiar with, so I'm asking here, hope you don't mind? In 2008–2009 posted many hundreds of spam links to artinfo.com, often introducing marginal or completely irrelevant material in order to justify the inclusion of the spam link, as for example here. Recently has been going over the same ground and changing the link to blouinartinfo.com. I have to date taken this to WikiProject Spam and WP:COIN. I've also posted a number of warnings on his talk page. The level of interest displayed in any of that by anyone, including Antonyj0403 himself, has been minimal to say the very least (see for example here). So I'm wondering, what if anything should be the next step? Does this need to go to ANI? Or am I just completely wrong to think that it matters? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably a bit of an over-reaction. Think on these: there is no point in blocking because Anthony can come back as an IP address and re-enter. I laboriously went through the edit history of Keith Haring to find when the links to artinfo were added. It was part of these edits. None of the others were links to artinfo which suggests a that if there is a COI it is not very strong. I have reprimanded Anthony for shouting. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:14, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

About World Baseball Softball Confederation
Hi RHaworth. What the? Sure, in its initial state it was WP:A7-able, but I thought I fixed it up pretty well. Happy to go through the usual processes, tho. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So why did you leave the speedy tag in place? Restored to User:Shirt58/WBSC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:18, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned, it was initially a A7 candidate. I added refs and context, and thought I would be WP:INVOLVED if I declined the speedy, so left it for someone else to review. I'm kinda stoopid sometimes, I guess. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Private Manning
Can I ask why you deleted Talk:Private Manning? Your deletion summary says "(G6: Talk page is a redirect created by move of associated article: G8: Talk page of a deleted or non-existent page)" however neither is true. I created Private Manning as a redirect to Chelsea Manning per a suggestion on the latter's talk page, and that redirect still exists. I then created the talk page of the redirect to house the WikiProject banners for the same projects that are interested in the target, classifying the page as a redirect. As I noted when contesting the bizarre speedy deletion request, this is standard for thousands of redirects as it allows projects to be notified of any discussion relating to the redirect, either manually or via article alerts.

The talk page was never a redirect, the associated page was created as a redirect and was not the result of a page move, was not nominated for deletion (speedily or otherwise) and still exists. So neither G6 nor G8 apply. Thryduulf (talk) 16:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry and a gentle word to might be in order. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:35, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Jordan Moore (SALTed page)
I want to create an article for Jordan Moore who is now notable under Wiki Project Football's guidelines, however when I went to do so I found out the page had been SALTed. As you were the last person to delete it I was wondering if you could re-open it for me? Thanks, Username of a generic kind (talk) 19:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Create your article via AfC. If it gets accepted by an admin, they may well install it themselves otherwise come back to me and I will move it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:53, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of BPO plus page
Hello Roger W. Haworth, I am Jaggi and moderator of BPO Plus page. Recently you have deleted BPO Plus page. This page was live since so many month. Please do share your critique to update the page. BPO Plus is a well renowned company in Middle east and we are having operation in Oman as well. I have provided many external links and in many links we got many awards for all MECC region.

Tejinder Singh Bhatia is our CEO and he also won many awards including Best CEO of the year across the Middle east. Please do approve the page and share your thoughts to make the page better and informative. Jaggi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaggijsp (talk • contribs) 10:37, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Who's we? Please wait until someone that doesn't have a conflict of interest thinks you are notable and writes the article for you. And with all due respect, you most certainly are not a moderator here and certainly not one of that article. Please read WP:OWN.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 12:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I always think it is an hallmark of a spammer that they resent learning wiki markup. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:08, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of User:SPV3SongContest
Regarding the deletion of page User:SPV3SongContest, myself and the other editor of the page noticed it was deleted for reasons of "because the user appears to be promoting a multi-person contest on Wikipedia". We think there's been a misunderstanding; we run a forum named "SPV3" (hence the username title) and hold a recurring song contest (on-site, unaffiliated with Wikipedia), I think it's set up similarly to Eurovision. With 30 contests now under our belt we thought a good feature to have would be listing the submissions of each member on the board, being able to be organized by contest number or username. The page is in no way a promotion; it's simply being used as a collection of data, and I'm not sure if that's something Wikipedia doesn't support or isn't intended to be used for, in which case we understand; we just wanted to set the record straight and hopefully see if the page could be restored. Thank you — SPV3SongContest (talk) 18:59, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So put your page on the site unaffiliated with Wikipedia, not here. And who is the other editor of the page? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:08, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

This account was shared between the two of us. We figured Wikipedia had the simple sorting method of the tables. It's clear that it doesn't belong here, though, so we'll find a different medium. Thanks for responding! &mdash; SPV3SongContest (talk) 22:53, 25 August 2013 (UTC)SPV3SongContest
 * The mediawiki software which drives Wikipedia is available free of charge to install on your site. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I always thought shared accounts were prohibited?-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 23:49, 25 August 2013 (UTC)


 * They are. If this account tries to edit here, I will block it instantly but since they will probably go away, there is no point in bothering to block. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Unnamed diamond article
You deleted the unnamed diamoned because of a copyright issue I would like to know what was the problem since I didn't use any text delivered from another site or used an unauthorized image. I can't see the content now but if I'm not mistaking I didn't use any image at all. Please contact me to let me know what was wrong so I can change it. Thank you, and have a great day! — Assaf Laniado Preceding unsigned comment added by Lassaf (talk • contribs) 08:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note spelling mistake in the title. The first part of the article from "the world's largest" to "commissioned this creation" was a quote from the Guiness Book of World Records via a number of websites including this. The article was short on hard facts such as where was it found, when and by whom and references to support these facts. Also, please use direct links not via webcache.google, eg.  and . Fix these matters and resubmit via AfC. I would propose a title of unnamed diamond (Gorenstein) but ask the AfC reviewer to decide on the title - certainly putting "largest diamond" in the title is not recommended. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll make sure to apply your comments and resubmit the article. &mdash; User:Lassaf

Cecilia
Thank you for putting image of Cecilia from Commons! -- Miha (talk) 15:21, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Sacred Fools
Greetings sir, It appears that you have deleted Sacred Fools Theater Company production history that was in the midst of being edited to bring it up to standard. Citation links were being added to the various productions involved to provide historical and contextual frames of reference to the works produced by Sacred Fools Theater Company and show its relevance to the Los Angeles and American theater communities. As was noted in the talk section, there are younger and less notable companies with full production histories elsewhere on Wikipedia. I admit that I am a member of the company. However, the page was not begun by me or the company, although I was working to improve it. I would like to request that it be restored, please. Sacred Fools Theater Company Production History Thank you for your time, Chairman B. (talk) 21:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Please learn wikilinks. You already have a perfectly good article about your company. Please do not compound your COI by posting this unadulterated listcruft. The correct place for it is your own website. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:55, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Lady Ice Hawks
To whom it may concern,

I received this message "22:40, 27 August 2013 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Lady Ice Hawks University of Iowa Women's Ice Hockey (A7: Article about a club, society or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)" today concerning the deletion of my recently created page for the University of Iowa women's ice hockey club. I was wondering if you could provide an explanation on the lack of significance or importance, as I believed it to be clearly stated - this is the first organization of its kind at this university, and it is the beginning of Iowa's programs becoming eligible to be recognized by NCAA. Please let me know what else I would need to include to get this page back up and running. Thank you, Andrea Schumacher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.schu19 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC) Okay, how can we get the content back so we can try begining with a short section on a larger Hawkeye sports page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.schu19 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Salutations are not normally used on user_talk messages but if you insist on giving one, then my name is RHaworth not "whom it may concern". While we are in avian mood here are two of my standard parrot-like replies: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your club is notable and writes about it here; it is an hallmark of a spammer that they resent learning wiki markup. Fact is that individual university sports clubs are rarely considered notable enough to justify their own article here. Start with a short section at Iowa Hawkeyes. If that sticks, you may create a redirect from the title you used. I like the euphony of "ice hawks" vs. hawkeyes. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Why on earth do you need the text? Until you actually play some matches, all you need in the Hawkeye sports page is: "while the University of Iowa's men's ice hockey program was created in 1974, the Lady Ice Hawks, founded in 2013, is the first ever chance for women to competitively play ice hockey at the university". If you really want to see your text, read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Meditech equipment
I really would like to know why you delete my first article - Meditech Equipment! I m bio medical engineer from Jordan and several time i confused between china meditech and USA meditech... so i thought its maybe will be helpful to show the deference... even sompeople think its a branch in china! as well i saw some Chinese companies also in Wikipedia so may i know where they are important?! and here are examples": Contec Medical Systems, Shanxi Jerry Medical Instrument Company and Category:Medical equipment manufacturers. i appreciate your kind reply and advice me how can add this article again,and where im wrong! Nesma — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nesma2012 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Parrot again: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks the company is notable and writes about it here; it is an hallmark of a spammer that they resent learning wiki markup. Also other stuff exists is never an argument. If you genuinely have no COI, then Category:Medical equipment manufacturers is a bad place to look - a quick check suggests that many of these artciles would be deletable for lack of references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. If you can find such references and get someone to help you with your English then resubmit via WP:AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

RE: Crich Stand
Hi. I've made the image description rather more comprehensive and added co-ordinates. Any more suggestions, let me know. Thanks -  H IGHFIELDS  ( TALK    &bull;   UPLOADS  ) 16:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Sap Hana
Deletion of "SAP HANA" page - not sure that there was copyright infringement, at least based on the dates ?

Hello ! I see you just deleted the SAP HANA page, because of "Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://saphanaaccess.com/2013/04/25/architecture/ ". Now, not that I'd argue that SAP's stuff is so important that it should be in Wikipedia, however, I don't see any copyright infringement between the last version of the page from 2012 archived here in the web archive, and the page being infringed that you mention.

In fact, the page you mention as being infringed was created on 2013/04/25 (at least from its date) where as the Wikipedia page has existed in some acceptably good state since at least 2012 (see archive.org history). So probably the copyright infringement is more the other way around.. Was there really a good reason for speedy deletion ? (Also - there are still many links to that (now delete pages, eg. from Hana, SAP pages... shouldn't we remove the links ?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farialima (talk • contribs) 20:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I did hesitate over the nomination as copyvio - only a relatively small part remained as copyvio, Speedily restored. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you think the nomination was excessive? I did wonder, but I'd found three chunks copyvio already, and practically the rest is a G11. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * A comparison between this state of the article and the alleged copyvio source throws up 14 matched phrases but they are all very short matches. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * ... also I admit it does raise the question of whether they ripped it from Wikipedia, which at least one other matching page had. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

My sandbox
Dear RHaworth, Recently, you deleted the contents of this sandbox of mine. Please restore the contents of my sandbox. After all, a sandbox is where the paint touches the canvas for the first time. Thank you in advance for your efforts. Geraldshields11 (talk) 22:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC) Thank you for the email. I do appreciate the text. But, I do not understand who is "the man claimed.." Thank you. Also, UnicornTapestry did not help create my paints, so I am not sure why the editor is commenting. Geraldshields11 (talk) 01:25, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The man claimed "this is still plagiarism, even as a userspace draft" so I have e-mailed it too you. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The man who made the claim is who did it in the edit summary when he applied the speedy tag. UnicornTapestry was just confused and is not commenting on your  paints  - what on earth are paints in this context? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I nominated it for deletion because it contained copyright-infringing material, exactly the same copyright-infringing material in your mainspace article that was also deleted. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement, regardless of whether it's in a real article or a userspace draft; it's not allowed anywhere.  Because it was a draft, I tried simply removing the portions of the article that was copied (most of it), but you restored it, so deletion. Writ Keeper (WK to move) &#9863;&#9812; 12:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Klavier Music Productions
With due respect, did you read the Klavier Music Productions article you deleted, that of a quarter of a century classical record company? And why would you delete the copy in my WiP/sandbox? -- <font face="Papyrus">Unicorn Tapestry <font face="Papyrus">{say}  00:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

And you deleted my article which was clearly NOT plagiarism. I appreciate youthful enthusiasm, but not to this extent. Regards, - -<font face="Papyrus">Unicorn Tapestry <font face="Papyrus">{say}  00:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Nobody ever suggested it was plagiarism. I deleted the copy in your sandbox for the simple reason that you had left the speedy delete tag in place. Having satisfied myself of your lack of COI and read it more carefully, I was happy to restore to your user space. Do not think about publishing until you have added better independent references and even then, I suggest do it via AfC to be on the safe side. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

A clarification, please: My understanding is that the original author is not allowed to remove a deletion tag. I knew it wasn't promotional or plagiarism, but I followed the rules even though it seemed others didn't (such as ignoring the in-creation template). Are authors permitted to remove deletion tags? And under what circumstances? Thank you and thanks for restoring the article. --<font face="Papyrus">Unicorn Tapestry <font face="Papyrus">{say}  07:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes and no. You would have been breaking the rules by removing the speedy from Klavier Music Productions but it would have been perfectly OK to remove the tag from the copy you created in your user space. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Jeremy Bullock
Hello, RHaworth. Could you please restore the article Jeremy Bullock because he is one half of Wild Cub, and I'd like some more information before I decide whether or not to redirect? Thank you.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 18:53, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Here you are, here is the entire text of the article: Sissy FIghter . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * A redirect it is.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 21:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 August 2013
page lists a websote obviously intended to make money which is a clear violation of TOS. &mdash; 174.26.137.251 (talk) 01:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't talk to IP addresses but in any case I cannot do anything for you since you have given no page name. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

A previous deletion
Hey RHaworth, I noticed you had previously deleted My Grandma's Basement due to it being by an artist without a Wikipedia article, which now exists at Jarren Benton. If you could wikify the deleted version of My Grandma's Basement for me I would appreciate it. <font color="#BA181F">STATic <font color="#BA181F"> message me!   04:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "Wikify the deleted version" - possibly you mean userfy. Restored under the redirect. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah I meant userfy, sorry I was pretty tired when I wrote that. Anyways yeah I already noticed and created the article. <font color="#BA181F">STATic <font color="#BA181F"> message me!   20:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Bananaman (comedy duo)
Hi, I noticed that you deleted the article Bananaman (comedy duo) through CSD. This is not an article I created. Rather, finding the article existing on the talk page, I transferred it to the article space. While I have no particular stake in this article (and thus did not do much work on it), I do know that Bananaman is one of the most popular comedy groups in Japan and are on television virtually every day. They thus clearly pass notability requirements. If you revive the article, I will try to beef it up until it passes WP:GNG. Thanks. Michitaro (talk) 12:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I am afraid I copied and pasted it before I knew any better (that was still when I was young on Wikipedia). As for why no one added anything? Well, that is because the English Wikipedia tends to favor subjects from the English language world. One cannot always judge lack of attention to a non-English language subject as sign of lack of notability; there are in fact far too many Japanese subjects of clear notability that don't even have a Wikipedia page. There are just not enough editors to work on those pages. A problem members of WikiProject Japan know all too well. Thanks again for restoring the page. I will see what I can do. Michitaro (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * One small point, you "transferred" it using a copy&paste instead of a move. OK, it was only an IP address that created it but they still deserve credit. So how come, if they are as notable as you claim, nobody added the slightest shred of evidence of notability in the three years of the article's existence? Restored to User:Michitaro/Bananaman (comedy duo). &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't have much time, but I have beefed up their page with references. If you feel it is OK, we can move it to the main space. Michitaro (talk) 05:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably OK. Are there really no English language refs to them? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I added a couple English articles that mention them (that's about it for RS in English) and moved the article to the main space. Michitaro (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Barani Institute of Information Technology
I have removed the prod tag from Barani Institute of Information Technology, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, please to list it at Articles for deletion if you feel it should be deleted. Fbryce (talk) 18:40, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Dale Grimshaw
Hi Please could you send me my text for the deleted Dale Grimshaw page, I want to work on it some more and get it to the required standard. Thanks, Ckm21 (talk) 14:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Is he any relation of Atkinson Grimshaw? Obviously an article totally devoid of references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources stands very little chance of survival. Indeed you could not even manage to create links to his own website. Text e-mailed. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC).

Deleted RFC/U
I can't imagine why would you would delete an RFC/U (Xenophrenic). And your only comment was "implausible". IMHO this is unheard of and improper. This is also a part of an an arbcom case. And you have deleted an immense amount of important evidence. Can you either reverse or explain? Thanks. <font color ="#0000cc">North8000 (talk) 18:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read the log entry for /Requests for comment/Xenophrenic rather more closely. Is there another word after "implausible"? Does the log entry for an earlier move suggest anything to you? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Question
You deleted User:SonofSetanta/TWA/Earth for me - thank you. Would you be able to answer a question for me as regards it? I didn't create this page yet with all the edit history says I did. Have you any idea how this could have happened? SonofSetanta (talk) 11:47, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The TWA in the name should give you the clue. You had been visiting the silly Wikipedia Adventure presentation. It does warn you that it may do auto edits but I don't blame you for missing that. I lost interest in it when it used the word "awesome" which I always consider to be a word that only kids use. When someone puts "awesome" into a newly created bio, they might as well put db-g7 - it almost always qualifies for speedy. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I see. Yes I did visit that page. Odd though that it was able to create a page in my namespace without my knowledge. I'll hopefully be wiser next time. Thanks for explaining it. SonofSetanta (talk) 12:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Not particularly odd - with javascript you can do lots of clever stuff. When you use Twinkle to start an AfD discussion it will do three or four edits in your name automagically. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

As I said to someone the other day, one learns something new every day. I'm afraid my technical ability (or lack of it) is fast becoming legend. SonofSetanta (talk) 14:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update
Hey RHaworth. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

i2lc
I've replaced instances of i2lc on that page if you think it can/should be deleted now. Thanks, — Lfdder (talk) 10:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Ira Black (Musician)
Dear RHaworth; I would like to request that this page be restored as I can find no reason for it to have been deleted in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irablackattack (talk • contribs) 10:41, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * RHaworth's justification - '[non-notable] musician' - was not helpful, but it would appear that it was copyrighted content and therefore could be speedily deleted per speedy deletion criterion G11. Please wait until someone with no conflict of interest thinks you are notable and writes about you. RHaworth, could I recommend you add something in the 'wikify!' box instructing new users to post new messages at the bottom of the page?-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 11:07, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I could have said more. The nomination for deletion was: "aside from copy and pasting from this on facebook, the submission reads like an advertisement which does not meet WP:NPOV". "Wikify!" box expanded with more potential sins. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:03, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and...
Greetings RHaworth. Just happened to pass by and saw your tweak to the notice at top o' page. From one grumpy ol' man to another, "Don't let 'em get you down!" Regards, --Technopat (talk) 16:21, 3 September 2013 (UTC)