User talk:RHaworth/2014 Aug 27

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion
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Category:Religious schools by country
Could you please restore the category and its subcats? It was emptied out-of-process yesterday by User:Bogic. I'm reverting the changes. -- Paul_012 (talk) 18:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Restored all my deletions. If there are any restores of deletions done by others, let me know. has not even been reprimanded for this. Do you think a brief admonitory block might be appropriate? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:48, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think the edits were made in good faith, even if somewhat misguided. I thought of leaving him a note, but wasn't sure what to say. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:11, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

socks
Hi Roger. I reported several other socks to DoRD if you feel like blocking them. User_talk:DoRD. INeverCry  22:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Automatic pitch turbine
I would like to know why you delete my article. I understand that the first time my article got deleted was because I did not cite a reliable source. But this time I am citing from a reliable source, United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). Also this article is about an invention which technical aspects are being explained here. And can not be changed in second article. But I did amend by using this reliable source. Please explain why you delete this automatic pitch turbine. Respectfully: Israel Otiz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wing4700 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * A link to USPTO is actually the exact opposite of evidence of notability! It says: 'nobody has taken any interest in this idea - the only thing I can quote is the patent number'. Kindly have the decency to wait until: a) this idea is actually implemented as hardware, installed and shown to work, b) receives independent mention in reliable sources and, finally, c) someone with no COI writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Isaac Fadoyebo
Hello Roger (RHaworth), You deleted my submission for Isaac Fadoyebo because it didn't meet the significance test however I feel your deletion is not merited. Please restore the page.

4. The Barnaby Phillips article references Isaac Fadoyebo. Furthermore, Barnaby Phillip's documentary about Fadoyebo can also be viewed here.

5. The most important reason why Fadoyebo's submission in Wikipedia is important is that his personal account of the war is now stored at the Imperial War Museum.

I hope I hear from you soon. Cheers, Oloye79. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oloye79 (talk • contribs)


 * Please learn how to: create wikilinks, clothe naked URLs, create numbered lists and not to clutter talk pages with article material. What was your reason 3. ?! I have to admit that the lower case f in the title probably influenced the person who applied the speedy tag and myself. Storage in the Imperial War Museum is actually the least important reason and scarcely deserves mention. The museum aims to be comprehensive - it will accept any submission relevant to its remit but that simply does not make the submission notable. Conversely, the Golden Eagle award (if you can fix this broken link) won by Barnaby Phillips, although indirect is slight evidence of notability.


 * I have restored your text to User:Oloye79/sandbox. You must: re-write the text to fix the copyvios and add more references then re-submit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Gee Funding
Please restore the Article: Draft:GeeFunding. This article does not pose any advertisement or promotion. The company hired me to help write and publish this article based on their service. All information contain on the GeeFunding article are genuine. Similar article in the same category from another company located at Kickstarter, GoFundMe and Indiegogo. Please restore the article for approval. If you have something you would like us change or remove form the article, please specify. Anticipating your understanding. Best regards, John D. McDaniel Tel: +1(214) 810-8413 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizking2u (talk • contribs) 15:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Please go back to the company and say: "I do not have a clue what a Wikipedia article should look like. Companies writing about themselves on Wikipedia is, to put it mildly, strongly deprecated. So please do not find anybody else but kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it." &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Draft:AskACatholic.com
Dear Roger, Please restore the Article Draft:AskACatholic.com*. I am new to this but open to constructive criticism and feedback to make any possible future article publishable. When you deleted the draft I had not finished my work (putting in my references). It was my understanding that Draft articles are not live ones. I'm only trying to follow the similar path of another organization whose article was not deleted as mine was Catholic Answers. We do similar work. Can you at least e-mail what you deleted. I put a lot of time to developing that article. Best regards, Mike Humphrey mike.humphrey@rcn.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikehump (talk • contribs) 20:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * There is a spooky similarity between the edits here by Bizking2u (see above) and yours. Please explain why you posted your message twice. It is also very strange that you compare your article to Catholic Answers. Within the first few lines of your article I read: "We are a new breed &hellip;, we do the best we can &hellip; and  we proclaim &hellip;". This tells me that you clearly have not read the Catholic Answers article, or indeed, any other Wikipedia article or you would not be submitting something so far distant from what we expect. Text reluctantly emailed. Do not even think about re-posting it here, instead kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your website is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Is this best format you can sent it to me? &mdash; [via email] 2014 Aug 11, 14:10 (UTC)


 * So what format would you like? And why? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Roger, Are you going to allow me to finish the work I started in my Draft:AskACatholic* ? Can you please restore what I started and provide guidance on how to adjust what I have written. The work my group does is no different than Catholic Answers. Mike Humphrey mikehump — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikehump (talk • contribs) 14:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You don't read Wikipedia articles. You don't even try to find a reply when you post on a user talk page. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Robin Hunicke
I see you deleted File talk:Robinhunicke 240x160 August2009.jpg. Can you place the content that was formerly there at File talk:Robinhunicke at thatgamecompany photoshoot, August 2009.jpg. There seems to have been a page move without the corresponding talk pages.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Problem was that the page move was on Commons. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thx--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Survey Camp
Hi, I have written the article by the name of Survey Camp. But no one has reviewed it yet for about two days. Take care of this matter immediately. Thanks User:Owais khursheed — Preceding undated comment added 15:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * What a strange question! You release something direct into article space, just be grateful no-one has tried to delete it. Why should you expect anyone else to edit it? If you want your article reviewed, use the AfC process. So I have moved your article to Draft:Survey camp. Please learn that naked URLs are obscene. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Question related to the thread above
Hello RHaworth. Recently this article John J. "Bald Jack" Ryan was created by what looks to be a SPA editor. A discussion on the talk page wound up showing that there are some references out there that could be used but at the moment it is an unsourced mess that (IMO) is a long way away from being a Wikipedia article. The question I have is there a place to go other than AFD to recommend that it be moved to a user sandbox or draft space as you did with the article mentioned in the above thread? If not are there any other alternatives? Thanks for your time. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The wiki motto is "be bold". It is not done very often but I see no reason why you should not userfy the article yourself. When you have done it, apply a db-r2 tag to the redirect you have created and explain to the author why you have done it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm going to revert the suggested boldness... if you think the topic is notable, then fix it in place. There's no need to take it back to draft first. It's not an unsourced mess, and any mess that exists, you can fix. Because, if you know certain items are messy, then, by definition, you (MarnetteD) know what the fixes are for that messiness.


 * In other situations, I would wholeheartedly support a move back to draft space. This is not one of those situations. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses. I have not dealt with this before so I appreciate the input. RH, I haven't userfied anything before and I am leery of creating redirects. I am as likely to mess it up as not. D, I am not interested in the subject at all and I don't have the time or desire to work on the article. When I posted my question there were no sources in the article. I notice that there are some now. It is still a long way from encyclopedic and reads like a college thesis paper. But that is just me. Others who are interested in the subject will come along and improve it in time. Thanks again to you both for sharing your thoughts. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Waiting for review
Expired BLPPROD articles are waiting for review at [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion_by_days_left Category:BLP articles proposed for deletion by days left]. 101.62.144.22 (talk) 12:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

David Rubenstein
Hello RHaworth! I recently had an article tagged for possible self-promotion when I was trying to seek help from other users on how to get my article ready for publishing. The article was User:Theharrybell/David Rubenstein (attorney). Is there any way that you can restore this deletion? Also, if you have any suggestions on how to make my article better so that it is not tagged for deletion again, I would greatly appreciate the help. Thank you RHaworth! &mdash; Theharrybell (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Please search this page for the word "kindly". In the unlikely event that you have no COI, work through Category:American lawyers. I am sure that among those 3000+ bios there are some that need improvement. When you have built up a contributions history of more than 100 edits to at least 50 different articles you will be in a much better position to convince suspicious people like me that you have no COI. Also you should have gained an idea of what a Wikipedia lawyer bio should look like. I would be happy to email you some suggested content - read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Xeltek
Hello, I want to publish an article about a company I work for Xeltek and I saw a previous article that was deleted in 2012 because: A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. This is a Global leader company in its industry that has more than 20 years of history so I would like to know how did we fail to indicate the significance of the subject, other companies of the sector such as Elnec have an article in Wikipedia. In their page they mention Xeltek as big competitor. We can provide strong secondary sources and information about the company. This is a technology company that manufacturers programmers and works on developing technology,it also publishes valuable information on electrical engineering and programming. I would like to write an informational article about the company, its history and its trademark registered line product. Please let me know how to proceed. Thank you,


 * This edit is by someone who clearly does not know how to use a Wikipedia talk page. You are the same. You asked your question eight days (almost to the minute!) earlier and I replied to it. Did you attempt to look for my reply? Please answer. You will now find it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Requesting RevDel
Hi, I am contacting you as you appear to be the only active admin at the minute according to the logs. With my OTRS hat on, I would be greatful if you could revdel a copyvio present in the page history of CZ 99 per 2014081210024714 (the last good diff was . If you require any more information, I would be greatful if you could email me, as I prefer not to give away too much on-wiki about tickets. Thanks in advance, Mdann  52   talk to me!  11:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk page redirect?
Why redirect a talk page of an article that was deleted basically because of vandalism? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, I see that you have not modified things now so that London, Ashford and Dover Railway now redirects to London, Chatham and Dover Railway. Why? Do you have any indication (other than 1234asd's vandalistic actions) that any ever referred to the railway by that name? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, two goofs in rapid succession: putting the redirect on the talk page and this edit . So I gave myself a break. Creating the redirect at all was not a goof - I did it before I realised that the page had been created by a vandalism only account. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

James Blackmon, Jr.
You deleted this page three years ago because of the A7 rule. I intend to show that he now meets the notability guidelines. Mhults7791 (talk) 19:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It is completely unacceptable to dump a sentence and a bunch of empty sections in articlespace and call it an article. As created, what you put down fails WP:A7 conclusively. Use a sandbox, such as User:Mhults7791/sandbox or User:Mhults7791/James Blackmon, Jr., in future.-- Laun  chba  ller  20:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Please allow sufficient time for articles under construction to be developed, especially when intentions have been publicly declared. Mhults7791 (talk) 03:17, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You have been contributing for more than four years. You should have learnt by now that it is suicide to start an article in mainspace. Always start in a userspace draft. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of SoodenHostageVideo.png
Hi there. I am not familiar with the rules around posting images and was wondering if the following image is absolutely not permissible: File:SoodenHostageVideo.png. I'd like to use a screenshot from the hostage video of a hostage in Iraq that was taken by the kidnappers (see Harmeet Singh Sooden). However, it seems news media has taken over the copyright. Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated. Thank you, Wikimuntu (talk) 00:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Please learn to use wikilinks. I agree that copyright almost certainly rests with the hostage takers - and they were probably not bothered about copyright when they released the video and might be difficult to contact to get their retrospective release! But since you are accepting that the copyright of the democracynow.org page applies to the image, the position is simple. The democracynow page has a licence of cc-by-nc-nd-3.0 but both the NC and ND clauses are not allowed on Wikimedia sites - we demand cc-by-sa-3.0 or less stringent. You may get some joy if you upload with a fair use claim, especially if you point out the dubious right of democracynow to the copyright. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, the extremists currently making a nuisance of themselves in Iraq are extremely active on social media, and also a fair number of them are fluent in English due to having been brought up in the UK. So contacting an individual who might plausibly claim to speak on behalf of the copyright owner may not be as difficult as one would think. And they do seem to like publicity. I agree with RHaworth that an attempt at fair use might also work (or not), and that news media don't get to "take over" copyright just because they imagine some content is newsworthy. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. Wikimuntu (talk) 01:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Priceline HK
I redirected Priceline HK to the Chinese page which contains content there. Why did you delete it with the reason of no content? Look forward to your response. &mdash; Joe - Preceding unsigned comment added by Wsjwong (talk • contribs) 04:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Please look at Category:Wikipedia soft redirects. They all redirects within English language wikis. We simply do not do cross-language redirects. What use is a page in Chinese to users of the English Wikipedia? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Juan Baigorri Velar
Why was Juan Baigorri Velar deleted? It was a translation of es:Juan Baigorri Velar, the Spanish version of the same article. Jasenlee (talk) 03:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Despite ten years of contributing you still have not learned: to place messages at the bottom of a talk page, how to create wikilinks or that setting up an email address is a good idea. The log tells you the primary deletion reason. The prod had been applied because something important had been lost in translation: all references. The article was created by as a "fly-by" exercise - he dumped it and never bothered to see what happened. I will be happy to restore and userfy for anyone who intends to bring it up to standard. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * After writing the above, I actually went back and read the article! I need to learn a bit of Spanish ready for Wikimania next year so I may read a bit more. Here is a good reference in English. Any new version of the article needs to have a strong note of scepticism at the end. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

John Fry (businessman)
Your speedy deletion of the article was under A3, which doesn't make any sense. Please restore the content with revision history. Thanks. -- C S (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Please learn to read a log listing. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any justification other than you citing A3. Please explain your rationale for deletion. Otherwise I will submit this to deletion review with the comment that deleting admin refuses to explain him/herself. Thanks. -- C S (talk) 00:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * For goodness sake!! The log is counter-chronological . Look at the timestamps. What is the last thing I did to the page? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:36, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

You moved it to a user's sandbox. Now why on earth would you delete a perfectly good stub by citing A3, and then restore-move it to a user page? I don't see any explanation here or or in the log. -- C S (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The movement of the page to a sandbox was correct. It is very unlikely to survive an AfD. --  Laun  chba  ller  11:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I have now restored the missing edit so you can see the full history. requested deletion, so I deleted it. OK, strictly speaking A3 did not apply but since it was a clear A7 candidate, I was not going to object. He then changed his mind (see this exchange). So I restored it per his request. C S, you have done nothing to this article in eight years, why have you woken up and taken an interest now? And do you or Jason have any intention of turning it into a proper article? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Why did you delete logo?
Why did you delete File:BoomStartup_logo.png? It's the logo for BoomStartup and I am building a page for it in my sandbox. Jr105 (talk) 01:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read this. I believe there is a rule that fair use images are only allowed in mainspace so best to wait until the article is accepted and then upload the logo with a fair use rationale - there are thousands of logos already uploaded to show you how to do it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

File:SereneKoongImage.jpg
Hi, I noticed the image file which I have uploaded has been deleted. (File:SereneKoongImage.jpg) This picture was captured by me and I genuinely would like to upload it for the artist. If you could please help me with the correct copyright terms to choose so that it does not get deleted again. Many thanks, Dave Chrisjoselim (talk) 07:02, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Does the copyright of the image belong to Serene Koong rather than the organisers of the awards ceremony? If she does hold the rights, then the answer given here is as good as any. Alternatively, she may grant permission as explaind here. In any case the image should be uploaded to the Commons not here and her web page must be changed to make it clear that the image is available under a Creative Commons licence. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Q&Aid Research Institute deletion
You recently deleted a wikipedia page on Q&Aid Research Institute on 18 August 2014, 09:23 because of (A7: Article about a company, corporation or organization, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject). I believe that this is not true. The wikipedia page I posted about this company had no bias or promotional material. Everything was properly cited and nothing on that page was false. While this company is new and does not have much attention, it does provide an important community service by providing free information on cancer prevention methods and health management techniques. The company currently has a database for traditional herbal medicine with modern scientific backing and research. this should fall under and "educational institute" and it does have importance and significance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.78.44.42 (talk) 18:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Kindly have the decency to (1) always sign on a talk page with the four tides at the end of every comment. (2) wait until the company becomes notable and someone with no COI will write about it here. &mdash; Wikicology (talk) 03:40, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Also (3) log in before leaving messages and (4) provide link/s to the page/s about which you are talking. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Teeth and jaw
Thank you for deleting WP:Teeth and jaw research! –  Paine    23:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You are a pain - please explain the idea of putting a non-link in colour instead of providing a simple red link. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Bad habit – I did that in an rcat and was asked to change it. I didn't think it was that big a deal, but I did change the type of emphasis. The above does link now. Joys! –  Paine    04:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * There was much talk at Wikimania about not putting newbies off. Certainly using unexplained jargon is one thing to be avoided. Even Wikicology tries to explain jargon. I had no idea what an rcat is. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Betty White
Sir I request a protection on the above page. Ip users are reali vandalizing it. See this History. I suggest immediate block of this Ip user. &mdash; Wikicology (talk) 03:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

James Stout (rackets)
You seem to have deleted an afc for world champion in two sports, which had extensive acceptable documentation (which I verified). Fortunately, I check the deletion log from time to time, even though it is much harder to check on the contents after an article has been deleted. Relying on a no longer present editor to ask for restoration is not often effective. I apologized to the after I undeleted and accepted the article as it stood, though I subsequently made a few formatting changes. (to be sure, the editor made the error of not formally re-submitting it after he changed the unacceptable references to acceptable ones, but we can hardly expect newcomers to get our procedures right all the time.) &mdash;  DGG ( talk ) 16:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Please provide links when talking about pages. I have been known to rescue G13 cases but certainly nowhere near as often as you do it. No objection to your actions. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Hundalsahej
Please dont delete my page. I have my own company and i made my page very happily. You deleted my page, and if u dleted it. Tell me why — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hundalsahej (talk • contribs) 00:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * "My own company" says it all. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your own company is notable and writes about it here. See also this message and the replies. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Sanjib Ganguly
Why did you delete my content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SanjibGanguli (talk • contribs)
 * Sanjib, what is the point of asking a question at the tea house if you don't look for a reply. I had already replied there when you left the above message.
 * Theroadislong, no thanks, I will decide when to delete stuff from this page. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Poudar
Hi, I see that you have just create-protected Poudar. Please would you consider reverting that? Admirenepal is a prolific sock - far more so than the SPI page indicates - and they almost always return to create that particular article. It acts as an extremely good honey-trap. - Sitush (talk) 14:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting reason. Done. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. - Sitush (talk) 15:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Ashton college
Sir is a WP:SPA for the above title. And I think is a sock of the account. Wikicology (talk) 18:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Pusheen
A cursory google could have helped. How about the fact there's a book? The blurbs on the front and back are by Matthew Inman and Kate Beaton. From Amazon: "With more than 2 million page views a month, 500,000+ blog subscribers, and 500,000+ Facebook followers, Pusheen is [...]" But you know, whatever, right? DELETED - 153.2.247.32 (talk) User:BalthCat  — Preceding undated comment added 07:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * None of that is an indication of notability - read this.-- Laun  chba  ller  09:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You signature is, not to put too fine a point on it, fraudulent. If you are BalthCat, log in and sign properly. Do not claim it when editing from an IP address. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Question about deleted page
Why Philippines national under-21 football team was deleted?  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think deleted the page. Wikicology (talk) 09:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * He did. He deleted it and then subsequently restored it.
 * , please be aware that your signature is currently broken - the closing  is in the wrong place. I have moved this instance - it should be after Zone and before ''' - but do update it in your preferences.--  Laun  chba  ller  09:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * you are right I  assumed it was not deleted since it has been restored. Wikicology (talk) 09:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Fixed signature, thanks. RHaworth just deleted the talk page. Although there seems to be no issues with the new version.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The &lt;/span> is the problem. I know I do moan probably unnecessarily about them but I use WP:Syntaxhighlight, and such errors break it.-- Laun  chba  ller  19:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikicology, if you are going to answer on my behalf, do it properly. I am prepared to forgive your link error which was corrected here . But to say "I don't think RHaworth deleted the page" is unforgivable sloppiness. You should provide a link to the article log and say categorically "RHaworth deleted the page twice".
 * OccultZone, you are just as sloppy - if you link to the talk page log you can see that I have not "just deleted" it (whether "just" means "recently" or "only" makes no difference) but did it a week ago at the same time as I deleted the article.
 * As to my actions, I am never sure of the notability criteria for sports people and sports clubs. In fact I should have been suspicious because the page had been blanked. Checking, I see that the deletion nomination was clear vandalism so I was happy to restore. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:ATH and WP:NCLUB.-- Laun  chba  ller  19:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of CyberGhost VPN
Hello RHaworth, Sorry for coming back to this topic a bit later than helpful, but we have a time difference here so I just noticed that the article CyberGhost VPN has been deleted faster than the speed of light ... ;-) I didn't intend to provoke such a harsh reaction. Otherwise I would have sandboxed the article and discussed it from there. In fact, I had been pretty sure I have avoided as much pitfuls as possible to leave room enough for discussions with other Wikipedians to create an article which serves public interests - that's why I did tag the article with the neutrality flag myself. I obviously failed. But I am also very astonished to be kicked out from Wikipedia, even though I offered all possible forms of discussing the topic (imo). So, how can we open a frutile discussion? I'd be eager to learn, why you decided the way you did, what you think, I/we can do better, what passages need to be re-written and what other changes need to be done. After all, CyberGhost VPN is a software product like many others and does serve a public interest by providing a powerful free anonymization service for everybody. - Ulrich (which is my real name) W1k1p1CG (talk) 10:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The advert you posted was so execrably promotional had it turned up in userspace it would still have been deleted. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks you are notable and writes about you here.-- Laun  chba  ller  12:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, ever thought about why I never made any attempt to hide my intentions? I actually thought, we are all grown ups and would be able to start a discussion without offending people. To make this one clear: I am not a marketing specialists nor do I want to be confused as one nor am I experienced with Wikipedia. I am just an ordinary german content provider who tried to start an article in a foreign language and actually also asked for help. So did anybody actually read what I wrote or was it just a reflex? However, I carefully read about COI and do understand your point of view - even though I felt misunderstood and offended by the words you used and the harsh reactions. I believe as much as you in what Wikipedia should provide (an objective encyclopedia of everything) - but we might just have different opinions on how to reach that goal ... - Ulrich 91.11.66.13 (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * "Frutile" what a lovely neologism! I assume it is a combination of fruitless and futile and since you admit that a discussion would be such, then there is no need to start one. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

You assumed wrongly, sorry. It was simply a mistake, based on the German word 'fruchtbar'. I just confused it with the English word 'frutile' because of its somehow similar spelling for me as a German. However, that's nothing I expect you should have known, of course, but, since these are my last words here about this topic (the article on Wikipedia had been given up) allow me to correct this to fruitile as a neologism to fruitful and fertile. Have a nice life. - Ulrich 91.11.66.13 (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Fruitful and fertile! Brilliantly inverted! &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

About Uptodatefaruk
Omar Faruk was born &hellip; — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uptodatefaruk (talk • contribs) 12:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * wikipedia is not a facebook or my space! kindly have the decency to (1) wait until someone with no COI write about you here when you are notable. And (2) go back to Omar faruk that you don't have an idea of what wikipedia is mearnt for. Wikicology (talk) 14:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * See this discussion . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Cool Freaks' Wikipedia Club
According to A7 of Criteria for Speedy deletion, would New Zealand's Wellington City Libraries count as an educational institution? -- DrWho42 (talk) 17:46, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough! I will await further citations before embarking on another article on the subject.--DrWho42 (talk) 21:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I have just realised that your strange question above was possibly meant to say "would Wellington City Libraries count as a reliable source ?" And to that question my answer would be: only just, in any case you need multiple reliable sources with significant coverage and this page is not exactly significant coverage. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

It did garner media coverage via Fast Company and The Atlantics ' s deputy editor Alexis Madrigal.--DrWho42 (talk) 23:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * That is just name dropping - you would need to provide explicit links to the coverage - but don't bother. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries! Here they are: 5 intriguing things & Fast Company.--DrWho42 (talk) 01:17, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Nein, Herr Zein
Why You Delete My Article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khader El Zein (talk • contribs) 19:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Why You Begin Every Word Of A Sentence With A Capital Letter? Why you use PNG format for your photo instead of JPG? Why you think Wikipedia will accept your fantasy/hoax rubbish? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

My page was real Why You Deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khader El Zein (talk • contribs) 20:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The page was real but the content was fiction. Show me your evidence! But in any case kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks you are notable and writes about you here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Fury 325
Can you please remove the ban you placed on creating the Fury 325 article? The roller coaster has been announced and there are numerous reliable sources establishing the roller coaster is real and notable. Thank you. -- Dom497  ( talk ) 20:19, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Unprotection won't be controversial at all....I guarantee it. Going through AfC is going to take for ever. Please, trust me on this one. I'm the one that nominated the article for deletion and now I'm saying to allow it to be re-created. Do a Google search of "Fury 325 carowinds". -- Dom497  ( talk ) 21:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Submit a new article via AfC. If it gets accepted then unprotection will be uncontroversial. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, there is a permanent backlog on AfC but that does not fit my definition of "for ever" and certainly an AfC decision would be received well before the ride starts operating. But if you can find another admin willing to unprotect, I have no objection and you may point them to this statement. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Fury 325 (Carowinds)
Hi, I'm unable to move Fury 325 (Carowinds) to the proper Fury 325 because the latter is protected from creation. I assume this was done by you after you deleted an article with this name. Kindly conduct this move using your administrator tools. Thanks.-- Pink Bull  00:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Arev Armenian Folk Ensemble
Arev Armenian Folk Ensemble, aka  Arev Folk Ensemble. I got the wiki link to the removed article from Ixquick. I want to access it. I don't understand what has happened to Wikipedia, right and left removing articles on subjects I look up. It seems as if every darn character in every darn video game is thought worthy of inclusion, yet a significant music ensemble (which pulls up over 500 hits on Ixquick when put in quotes and another 300+ under its alternate name without "Armenian" in it, and 170 for Youtube hits alone) is removed. It is good that there are options to retrieve some articles, or to protest a removal, but that is a lot of extra work for the user! What can be done to stop these deletions perpetrated by people whose basis for doing so is their lack of knowledge or appreciation of many worthy subjects? &mdash; Xerlome (talk) 18:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * No, it was not a wikilink, it was an external link - please learn the difference. The article scraped through this AfD in 2008. But our standards have improved in six years. Since the only reference in the article was to their MySpace page, I had no hesitation deleting it. They are based in Massachusetts so there should be no problem in find references in English - if they are notable. Text emailed. You may care to contact who started the article. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia cannot keep such article and that is why it was speedily deleted. WP:What Wikipedia is not answered your question. Wikicology (talk) 19:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikicology, that is not a particularly useful comment. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Please be aware that Werldwayd is a severe inclusionist - see this exchange. He is, however, reliable for responding to deletion threats (see Articles for deletion/Jaap van Reesema), and the AfD strongly suggests that they may meet WP:MUSICBIO, so call me as pedantic as you want but speedy deletion does not apply. In my opinion, sending it back to AfD would be the best option.-- Laun  chba  ller  19:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Jamie Curry
Hi RHaworth, I've written an article with references that I think you'll find appropriate. It's all properly formatted and referenced and ready for publication. I'm happy to send it to you so you can check it out properly. Thanks! Pear285 (talk) pear 05:37, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no need to litter the header with the protection log. A link to the draft you are writing would be helpful.-- Laun  chba  ller  08:12, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi RHaworth, Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! I just uploaded it onto Draft:Jamie Curry :). Pear285 pear 08:50, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Launchballer, thanks for putting the Article for creation submission on the Draft page. I clicked to submit it for review. However I got the message ''This may take several weeks, to over a month. The Articles for creation process is severely backlogged. Please be patient. There are 2622 submissions waiting for review.'' It seems unhelpful to add this to the backlog. Couldn't you just reverse the administrators only limitation on the Jamie Curry article now? Cheers Pear285 pear 09:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Erm, other way round - I certainly didn't put the AfC tag on that page! RHaworth hasn't yet commented here, and I certainly can't reverse his protection of the article - I am not an administrator.-- Laun  chba  ller  13:59, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Multiple co-incidences: two articles with NZ connections - see Cool Freaks' Wikipedia Club above; two women with gender-ambiguous names - see Charlie Hedges below and two editors too impatient for the AfC process to work see Fury325 above. As with Dom497, if you are not prepared to wait, find another admin to do the deed. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Charlie Hedges
Hello, RHaworth. Another administrator,, deleted Charlie Hedges; could you please restore it because she presents Kiss Breakfast and seems notable? Ale jrb isn't active any more.&#32;Thank you.-- Laun  chba  ller  14:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Text emailed. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

G.rongi deletion
It doesn't make sense to delete G.rongi page when other pages with no reference and no content remain on wikipedia such as Emcee rumaz or K-South pages. I do not understand the principles of wikipedia, I really need explanation. The article on G.rongi was written by a PHD holder who works on kenyan hip hop! The article was well documented. Please reconsider the article or tell me how to improve it. G.rongi is surely more notable than many other artists on wikipedia ( Emcee Rumaz and others.) G.rongi appears in front pages of 2 newspapers last month and has participated in many peace projects during  Kenya crisis 2007-2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tafakari (talk • contribs)
 * Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks the guy is notable and writes about him here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Restoring NewsWatch from my Sandbox
Hi - NewsWatch was originally deleted because it did not have references. I have added references and updated the article. Can you please restore it? Please let me know if there is anything else that needs to be done. Thank you. - Coocat86 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coocat86 (talk • contribs)
 * NewsWatch has no deleted edits so what on earth do you want me to do? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:38, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. The NewsWatch I am referring to is the one in my sandbox.  It was deleted in November 2013 for no references and then put into my sandbox, and now the references have been added and new updates about the television show have been added.  I believe this is the exact link to the page I am referring to.  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Coocat86/sandbox&oldid=622807933 .  If this is not the correct path to get the article published can you please let me know how to? Thank you! Coocat86 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coocat86 (talk • contribs)

Deletion of a module page
Thanks for deleting Module talk:RailGauge/testcases-list1 as asked. But its parent page was intended for deletion too - Module:RailGauge/testcases-list2. It';s just that in module space, one can not put a template on a module (code) page. Same for Module:RailGauge/testcases-list2 and Module:RailGauge/gaugedoc. -- DePiep (talk) 23:58, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Not your fault. A hand-written speedy? Sort of defies the purpose I guess. But next time I'll note it somehow, indeed. -DePiep (talk) 09:57, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Very sorry. Module: must be the only namespace where a speedy tag on the page itself does not work. If the circumstances arise again, put an hand-written speedy tag on the talk page saying "delete the module itself". &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:57, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * By hand-written speedy, all I meant was . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Interzone (conference)
I don't even know who had tagged it for speedy deletion. Not sure if I had, but you can let me know. Thanks.  Occult Zone  ( Talk •  Contributions  •  Log ) 11:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC) Now I remember, I had watchlisted only for reminding about it to any active admin, it was a exipired prod anyway. Thanks  Occult Zone  ( Talk •  Contributions  •  Log ) 12:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Text emailed. Speedy tag was applied by with the strange comment in the edit summary: "original author doesn't exist". &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey RHaworth, sorry, must have looked really quick and only seen a redlink. Kobuu (talk) 13:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

8 prime spirals

 * [Shouting deleted - hence message may be incomprehensible.]

It was cited to speed tests. The new Prime Spirals beat all the other prime algorithms, and wiki has pages for the slower prime algorithms. 8 prime spirals. is where the tests were done and not one real mathematician or computer programming expert question the results since anyone can duplicate them from the open source software.   So the original article major outside sources to. &mdash; Drprinceton (talk) 00:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)drprinceton
 * Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your algorithm is notable and writes about it here. You can try Deletion Review but don't get too hopeful. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)