User talk:RHaworth/2014 Jan 11

 wikify! Slovenly is a word I find myself using quite a bit at the moment. Slovenly is what I think of anybody who leaves a message here about an article and fails to provide a wikilink to the article. How do you expect me to read the article if you don't link to it? Even if the article has been deleted, you should still link to it. I reserve the right to ignore any message which does not provide links where appropriate, has no heading, is in the wrong place on this page, has not been signed with ~, is anonymous, etc. And if that sounds like a grumpy old man, it's because I am ...

TWA navigation
H RHaworth! I wanted to chat with you about the TWA navigation. That's in use on several other pages, often as a footer where the white space is less problematic. I'm guessing you saw WT:TWA/Portal where the white space is indeed greedy. I'm going to undo your changes on TWA/Navigation2 but then replicate them at TWA/Navigation3 for use on that page. What do you think? Ocaasit &#124; c 19:14, 16 December 2013 (UTC) Hello, how are you? I think you mean this message: TWA/Welcome. I agree that page doesn't need the white space. I'll see about fixing it. Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 20:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No. I have looked a few of the many user talk pages that transclude TWA/Navigation2 and I can see absolutely no justification for putting any white space back into it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

One thing to keep in mind, is these messages are showing up on people who have opted-in to play the game, and who have been notified that they will be getting messages in their userspace. Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 20:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Why on earth should I mean TWA/Welcome when I am talking about TWA/Navigation2? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:15, 17 December 201 (UTC)
 * Because WP:TWA/Welcome, contained {WP:TWA/Navigation2} ;)  I'm not sure why this seems to be a very heated issue for you but I'd appreciate if we could change the tone up a bit, it's pretty unfriendly seeming.  Thanks for your help with the template, it's clear you mean well. Ocaasit &#124; c 23:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

My personal page
Please do not edit my personal page again. What you deleted was a note to wikipedia editors, such as yourself, that if you are not a student in my class, you do not have permission to edit this page. Since you are not a student, I kindly ask that you do not edit it again. Regards. Mr. Straub (talk) 02:12, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

deleted article
I'd really really love to see the edge city; Life on a new frontier article. As soon as possible is really important would be amazing. Thanks! Anna Ajacobsen94 (talk) 16:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion
[Title width guide. Delete above here if no further edits - already in archive. If further edits, move below here.]

delete article
sorry to bother you but aparently you erase an article i was trying to public about Mariano Narodowski ... n you tell me why and how can re publish it? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.23.100.23 (talk • contribs)
 * Please read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

FMacks
Can you have a look at FMacks' contributions? He's made all of one mainspace edit, which was incorrectly adding a protection template, and other than that, he's just been playing in his userspace, consisting largely of stuff apparently copied from 's userspace. He's also (accidentally?) changed one page there, User:Raghusri/age. Do you have any idea what he's trying to do? Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * So why ask me? Ask him yourself. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

A User
Hello RHaworth, a user Ilovenewyear trying to create archives of my talk page (of Template and two articles of Pakistan event list). What can i do of him? -- Bluestor  (Talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * NawlinWiki is ahead of me and has done the necessary. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Isn't it suspicious that this new user has excellent knowledge of signature formatting, appears to only have made one edit (I can't see deleted edits) and has the same broken English as, which has been blocked as a sockpuppet of? Plus would a new user know to come straight to you?-- Laun chba ller  21:40, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * But I am just ahead of Launchballer. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Blocking accounts of Chinese users
I am writing you to inquire as to why you blocked the accounts of two different students of mine, who happen to both be named David. One is David Zheng (User:David_Zheng1998) and one is David Pan (User:David.pzh).

First, what evidence do you have that this is sock puppet account? They can send you evidence, such as scans of their school ids, that show that they are in fact two different individuals.

Second, why have you blocked our school's IP address from accessing wikipedia? You have been fully notified and know exactly what we are doing, so there should be no confusion here. My intention is to do with the Hangzhou No. 14 High School article what I did earlier this year with the Fuyang, Zhejiang, which was dramatically improved in comparison to the original article.

Thirdly, this is part of a larger problem of discrimination against China based users. As you certainly know, access to wikipedia is periodically blocked in China and it is common for the edit feature in wikipedia to be blocked in China. Wikipedia blocks VPN IP addresses and now our school address is getting blocked. This is a systematic policy of discrimination by primarily Western English speakers against 1.3 billion Chinese. And it goes against the entire policy of Wikipedia - that is - an open access website that permits users to freely contribute to the site.

My goal is to get both of these users unblocked, have the sockpuppet label removed from their accounts, and have the block on our IP address unblocked.

I am signing off on this message from my original account, David Straub, rather than my Mr. Straub account, because I'm hoping that you take me a bit more seriously this time.

Regards David Straub (talk) 23:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Firstly let me digress and comment on your accusation of "offensive terms". Please see my comments about parliamentary language. I, and many other Wikipedians accept that robust language is OK on talk pages.
 * Regarding the two specific blocks - please re-read this thread. It is a robust feature of the WikiMedia software that if a blocked user attempts to log in, it will invoke a block on the IP address they have used. This block should only last for 24 hours. I have unblocked the two accounts you specify. Please check for any of your students who have not edited since October. Make sure that they do not attempt to log in. Instead, check if they are still blocked as per this example and if they are let me know.
 * Stop this "discrimination against China based users" rubbish as far as I am concerned. I can assure you that I am perfectly happy for Chinese people to edit and will do anything I can to help circumvent your government's blocking of the internet. Indeed, I will go further: can you cite even one case of discrimination by Wikipedians against China based users? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

First, thank you for unblocking the accounts and IP address. As for discrimination against Chinese based users, it's not an intentional policy, but it is the result of blocking open proxies. Editors based in China often face obstacles attempting to edit wikipedia articles. Sometimes wikipedia is completely blocked by the Chinese government. At other times when we click on "edit" our connection to wikipedia is disconnected for several minutes. When one individual reads a page on wikipedia that triggers a firewall block from the Chinese government and everyone on that IP　address cannot access any wikipedia pages for 10-15 minutes. If you have enough users sharing an ip address, it effectively means that IP address is constantly blocked. When an IP address in China is blocked, editors using that IP address have few options for editing wikipedia articles, since wikipedia has a policy of blocking open proxies. In my opinion, if a user is signed in under a validated user name, we should not be blocked from using an open proxy. The way the policy is now, 1.3 billion Chinese, or 1/5 of the world's population, face unreasonable obstacles when editing wikipedia articles. Regards. David Straub (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

There are 4 more accounts that I am kindly asking to be unblocked: User:Sharow.CMY, User:Roy Zyh, User:EloryHou and User:Eileeeeeeeen. I can vouch that these are real flesh and blood individuals. In fact, David Zheng is feeling some distress because classmates think that he must have edited the page of some forbidden political topic that could get him in trouble. This is the reality of using the internet in China. I would appreciate if these accounts were unblocked. Regards. David Straub (talk) 11:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I do not want to rub it in but I will remind you that you brought this misery on yourself by allowing (possibly even encouraging) your students to make frivolous edits. I have unblocked User:Sharow.CMY, User:Roy Zyh and User:EloryHou. User:Eileeeeeeeen has never been blocked - she merely fell foul of the IP address block I describe above. I have also unblocked User:Doris AP01 and User:AllanLY0518 which you missed. I sympathise with you about the matter of open proxies - I suggest you take this up with the Wikimedia Foundation where you will probably get a sympathetic reception. Your suggestion of allowing signed in users via any route seems reasonable and the Foundation might even be willing to create proxies which would recognise stuff incoming from China and allow it. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Ninetology
Hi, My name is Eric and I wanted to make an inquiry regarding an article of ours that got deleted some time ago. This is the said link to the deleted article: Ninetology. May I request for the reason of the articles being deleted? And I get a copy of that deleted article to be reviewed? Wish to get to the bottom of this. Thanks a lot for your time taken to read this. Have a nice day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Ninetology (talk • contribs) 03:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * All the edits to Ninetology can now be found in the history of Ninetology U9Z1+. Your user name and the phrase "of ours" above suggest you have a close connection with the company so please have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:38, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Andreas Myrenblom
Hello Mr Haworth! I have a few questions regarding an article I most recently wrote about my friend and artist Andreas Myrenblom. When deleted, you refered to a rule regarding significance and importance of the subject at hand, which I did not fully comprehend. If you could please elaborate on why it isn't allowed to be posted, that would be great. Furthermore I'd like to ask if you could assist me in retrieving the article's text, as I didn't make a copy. Best regards, Pontus Edvinsson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pontuse93 (talk • contribs)


 * Do the words "links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" suggest anything to you? Things you need to learn if you wish to contribute to Wikipedia: wikilinks, signing talk page messages and how to read contributions and edit histories. Once you have learned the last you will find why I do not need to send you a copy of the text. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:44, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

G2 doesn't apply in userspace
You deleted User:Lolmobiles as G2, which does not cover the user namespace. If it can be deleted under another criterion, please say, otherwise the page should be undeleted. Dark Sun (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * CSD G covers all namespaces. It would appear that User:Lolmobiles has something to do with Lolmobiles, which was deleted as vandalism.-- Laun chba ller 17:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

A quote from WP:G2: "This criterion does not apply to pages in the user namespace" Dark Sun (talk) 17:22, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, pedant, restored. Please continue to watch the page because I intend to delete it in six months time and you can complain in that case that WP:G13 does not apply. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:44, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho


 Ϣere Spiel  Chequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages.


 * And an happy New Year to you. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

No khan do
Put a page on about Khaled khan plzzz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.63.193 (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hah! What a brilliant section header. Anyway, it would appear that someone has written an article on Khaled Khan.-- Laun chba ller 00:21, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Yasir72.multan on going
The banned user Yasir72.multan is going. He stated to create archives of different users (e.g. Deb, Smsarmad, Darkens shines, Bluestor etc.) This time he/she creat this -- (119.160.118.78 (talk) 15:09, 21 December 2013 (UTC))

Dreamtwinz
Hi, you recently deleted an article named Dreamtwinz as a copyvio. Well I read and have understood all the reasons you gave and believe you are right. I now would like to recreate the page while following all wikipedia's rules and guideline that I have read but don't know how to go about the recreating process of the deleted page, please help. Thank you. --Greemcomics (talk) 01:06, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * So why should recreating be different from creating from scratch? Go to User:Greemcomics/Dreamtwinz and create a proper article in your own words and with decent references then, when it is ready, move it to Dreamtwinz. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Holiday Cheer

 * Thank you. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Armands Celitāns
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Armands Celitāns. Dear Roger: I postponed this G13 eligible submission so that material could be used to expand an existing article. An opinion from Wikiproject Volleyball has confirmed that there is no useable material. Can the article now be deleted? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:29, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:42, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

The Greysteel Company
Hi RHaworth. In October, I submitted an article for creation for The Greysteel Company, a real estate company in Bethesday, MD. I saw that you deleted it, and I was wondering what I need to do to get it back up (reason for deletion, what I need to do to improve it, etc.) Thank you! Vssebastian (talk) 16:03, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Please re-read my reply here. I like to think that I provide proper reasons when I delete an article so it is rather galling for me to see here and on your previous message that you apparently have not read the reason. It may seem petty of me, but would you please tell me what deletion reason I gave - just the reason - do not, as many people unaccountably do, reproduce the entire deletion log entry. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

RHaworth, the only reason provided for the deletion of this article is one word - "duplicate." Since this is the only page I have posted about The Greysteel Company, and The Greysteel Company is not currently on Wikipedia, my question to you about why my article was deleted was out of my hope to gain further insight into why this was listed as a duplicate. As a new user to Wikipedia, I was hoping that I might be able to rely on the expertise of a Wikipedia admin to guide me on what steps I need to take in order to get this page up and running. When I was first informed that my article had been deleted, the instructions given to me were to first contact the deleting administrator before attempting to re-submit, so that is why I came to you. I did not see your previous reply, which is why I posted on your page a second time. I apologize for offending you with my lack of experience when it comes to the process of creating and deleting articles on Wikipedia. Vssebastian (talk) 15:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I deleted Articles for creation/The Greysteel Company on the grounds that it was a duplicate of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Greysteel Company. As you can see, the latter was deleted because it was considered to be unambiguous advertising or promotion. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI deems your company notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Ligi
I have reworked my file, file:Brief_Overview_on_Ligi_Ndogo.ogg with the necessary privileges. It had qualified for speedy deletion (and got deleted) because its copyright status was unclear or disputed. &mdash; ligi ndogo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miraclehr1 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Blackbird Promotions
Hello RHaworth, I am the tech support for the organization known as Blackbird Promotions located in Lima, Ohio, and I was wanting to elaborate more on the Wikipedia article about us. We are an small business/organization that provides encouragement and provides entertainment for the masses in and around Lima,OH. We create events once a month to help and assist other organizations, non-profits, charities, people, and businesses. Blackbird Promotions is a consortium of like minded individuals with diverse & giving personalities with one goal in mind. Reimagine the local area's entertainment scene and help as many as possible. If you could please either allow me to have access back to the article, or explain as to why it was removed and/or how to fix it, I would be very much appreciated. If you google us, you will find more info. Thank-you for your precious time and careful consideration on this very pressing subject matter. - Pickenshughes25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pickenshughes25 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed repulsive whitespace. I would usually advise you to learn wikilinks but on this occasion kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI deems your organisation notable and writes about it here.-- Laun chba ller 17:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Pickenshughes25, did you actually look at your message after you had posted it? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Russoft prod
You prodded Russoft and I was notified as the original writer (it had been a redlink in software engineering). Google Books has 532 hits for Russoft. Would you be offended if I removed the prod and asked that you use the full AFD review process? RJFJR (talk) 22:27, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Have an AfD with my compliments. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. RJFJR (talk) 17:53, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Costa Rica
Which one of the 4 deletion reasons A1, A7, A11 and G1 applies to Costa Rica vs each confederation? (not that I think the article is defendable, & I would not be bothering about this except for the problems with the tagger that I indicated on  his talk p..  DGG ( talk ) 15:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that none of the last three reasons apply. I believe the article was about soccer but since the text did not say so, A1 is sufficient reason for speedy. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

contest speedy deletion of DERP
I think your deletion was way too hasty. I'd only managed to create it nary  10 minutes  before you deleted it, and it was not even enough time to get a single citation in. You deleted it on the grounds that it was not notable per A7, but I clearly indicated this when I said "famous for having hacked multiple high traffic websites". How does this still qualify for A7? TeleComNasSprVen (talk &bull; contribs) 01:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC) What ever happened to being bold and not biting the newcomers? If you're going that route might as well block all the non-autoconfirmed users from creating new articles in mainspace (and even the autoconfirmed ones like me) and ask everyone to use Wikipedia's horrible AFC process anyway. DERP is right here and it was the quotation I was about to insert until the overly hasty speedy deletion. I really would appreciate it if you used Undelete instead of Bureaucracy instead. TeleComNasSprVen (talk &bull; contribs) 01:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You will probably think it a perverted idea, but some people develop articles in a sandbox until they contain sufficient evidence to stand a chance in that ferocious world called mainspace. Can you justify an all caps title - is it an acronym? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

In any case this is deleted out of process so if you feel that it's not noteworthy why don't you address that at AFD? CSD has never, ever, ever been an appropriate replacement for articles that might fail AFD. TeleComNasSprVen (talk &bull; contribs) 01:24, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Restored to User:TeleComNasSprVen/Sandbox5. The title probably should be Derp (hacker group) but do not move it there until it has proper evidence of notability. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Hide this edit
[] contains a phone number on the edit. :- Chander  For  You'''  04:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Equilibrio- Tech Fest
Sir, I had created a page, yesterday, Equilibrio- Tech Fest which is a technical festival of my college Guru Ghasidas Vishwavidyalaya, Bilaspur, India. Unfortunately, it has been deleted owing to reasons which I undersatnd, partially. I request you to "undelete" the page as the event is still in its early days and needs to become visible. I agree, the content provoded wasn't sufficient but the content will grow with time. Give the page a chance, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.212.232.243 (talk) 09:01, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year!


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Talk:Personality psychology/to do
Talk page 'to do' lists are usually located on the talk page, see Template:To do. Therefore, could you restore the above talk page subpage?-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 13:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. Got confused - Personality psychology/to do did need deleting. Strange, I don't think I have seen /todo sub-pages before. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Merlien Institute
Merlien Institute Marketing Conferences. Hi, i see that you deleted my page about these conferences, even though this morning the article was reviewed by another wikipedian. I know you have all the right to do so, but since there was a talk page you could at least have left a message or engage in some talk about the page and its deletion. I'm here really trying to create content, and I want to improve. So please if you could point out what was wrong with the page so I can improve it and upload it again, i would be very thankful. Here you will find a sandbox early version of the page if you want to check it. Thanks. Elandroid (talk) 13:51, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I take it you realise that RHaworth, as an admin, can see deleted content and that you should probably give a link to the deleted page?-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 13:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't matter whether you are talking to an admin or not, you should always provide a link - non-admins can still see any associated log entries. Also, get the article title right! in this case it is Merlien Institute Market Research Conferences. Restored to user:Elandroid/sandbox. Do not even think of moving it back until it contains decent independent references. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd meant it as in, rather than link to an early version, link to the deleted version.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 14:24, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Blue Valley
You deleted my last version of the Blue Valley Center For Advanced Professional Studies (CAPS) page because you saw it as an ad, which I understand. I have revised and republished. Rather than deleting it, do you mind helping me with it? Elisfkc (talk) 14:07, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

List of smartphones with low radiation
Is it possible that for the article List of smartphones with low radiation, you deleted by accident the Talk Page only and not the article itself? --papageno (talk) 17:24, 31 December 2013 (UTC) Thanks, that explains the mechanics of how and introduces another tool for me to be aware of. Why would one restore one and not the other? I ask because I had just added some support for the speedy deletion to the talk page before your intervention (at least I think I did; there is no entry anymore in my list of contributions; perhaps that got erased after your initial deletion of the article page or I was editing at the same time as you made the initial deletion). In case it is useful: a similar page with request for speedy deletion is Talk:List of low-radiation smartphones; and the original articles for deletion discussion is at Articles for deletion/List of low-radiation smartphones. --papageno (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * So what do the log entries say? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:35, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The articles for deletion discussion decided that a full article on that title should be deleted. Why are you so keen to see the redirect deleted which replaced that article? The talk page was deleted because redirects do not normally have talk pages. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:02, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining this, I was sure I had already nominated this page for CSD and was going crazy that it wasn't in the article's history. There have been a lot of variations on the title of this article created by the author, so I thought maybe I had missed one. I have withdrawn the CSD request for this page. The rationale for proposing it was that the issue in the AfD (lack of reliable inclusion criteria) is recreated by adding a redirect for "low-radiation" smartphones. "Low-radiation" is a synthesized definition. There is a discussion going on at the redirect target as to whether the list should exist at all, and I will re-propose deletion if that is the consensus there. Ivanvector (talk) 21:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Allowing the redirect to stand under a title that was a prime reason for deleting the article under the same name seemed like perpetuating the same problem. However, that is is a matter best discussed under a speedy or perhaps "regular" deletion discussion rather than here. Point of order: if re-directs don't normally have a talk page, where would one discuss a speedy deletion? I think normally that is done on an article's talk page? Thanks. --papageno (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I see User Ivanvector has put the matter at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_January_2, which would seem like an appropriate place. Thanks for your help in this matter. --papageno (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pashmina
Dear Roger: This article was eligible for G13, but I thought it was a copyright violation and tagged it with db-12. However, I realized that the text had likely been derived from a Wikipedia article, even though it was marked copyright. Could you please delete it with the original G13? There's already an article in mainspace with very similar text. Thanks. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

PAI IT Olympiad
Hello There, I came to know that you have deleted my article on PAI IT Olympiad. I want to inform you that this event has a public importance as it is charitable event targeted to promote ICT skills to thousands of India students, free of cost. Every year hundreds of schools and Junior colleges participate search for it and participate in it. There are article available on Wikipedia for Olympiads like Science and Math Olympiad, etc. If those are accepted why not I.T. Olympiad. Regards, Rishi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikirishiaacharya (talk • contribs) 10:27, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Please learn to use wikilinks. Other stuff exists is never a valid argument. Kindly wait until someone with no COI thinks your olympiad is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Mitford family tree
Thank you for deleting File:Mitfords-tree-vertical.jpg so quickly. My current chart, which supersedes it, is File:Mitford-selective-tree1.jpg. We need to keep the current version of the latter, which is in use at Nancy Mitford, but there are several earlier attempts at the chart, sitting below it, some of which contain factual errors. Could these be deleted while keeping the current version? Grateful for any help on this. Best wishes, Tim riley (talk) 14:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I see no particular necessity to delete old versions. What I would like to do is delete all versions. Creating it as an image is totally contrary to the Wikipedia collaborative spirit - I know it will involve you in more work but please read family tree and re-create the tree using one of the different techniques offered there. In any case if you insist on an image, it should be in PNG format or, better still, SVG. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * That's most instructive, and I'll certainly read the page you recommend and take it from there. Thank you very much for the pointer. Tim riley (talk) 17:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Eva Neer image
Hi RHaworth. I saw that you recently deleted File:Eva Julia Neer.jpg under G12. It was a fair use file being used on the article of a deceased subject. I tried (perhaps poorly) to explain on the talk page how the article met the non-free content criteria. Did I miss something? Thanks, <font face="DejaVu Sans" color="333300">Gobōnobō + c 01:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Restored. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. <font face="DejaVu Sans" color="333300">Gobōnobō + c 17:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of AfC submission
I have reverted your deletion of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adam Owen-Jones. It looked to me as though the deletion was a mistake, for reasons discussed at User talk:Alexf. Please do let me know if you think I was wrong. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I always think it seriously anomalous that an article which would be speedily deleted if posted to mainspace can be allowed to remain for ages if posted to AfC or draft:. But those are the rules so I will do nothing. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, and I think that six months is unreasonably long before we can delete an abandoned AfC submission. However, as you probably know, that was the outcome of an extremely long discussion, with very wide participation. JamesBWatson (talk) 17:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Merv Adelson
Hello. I see you deleted Merv Adelson's page in 2010, but I am not sure what it looked like when it was deleted. Do you remember? He is one of the most important Hollywood producers, so I think I will create his page again, but I wanted to touchbase with you first. Please reply on my talkpage, not here btw. Thank you. Zigzig20s (talk) 15:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * If you cannot be bothered to watch this page until I reply, then I am not sure you deserve a reply. The guy may well be notable so a proper article might stick. I will be happy to let you see the unsuitable text I deleted - read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

May I please see my page
Hi RHayworth, i wanted to see my page (Crusade Road, Westford, MA) that i put. It has been so long since I typed that article i dont remember what is in it! If i could i would like to access it. Thanks, Kilrdragon54 (talk) 15:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What was in it was a mere 145 bytes. You will find them and the text of a slightly longer (and possibly more useful) article here . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Yasir pest
Could you intervene here, please?-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 13:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Jim Nyamu page
I received your message that the entry for elephant activist Jim Nyamu had been deleted, but still see it at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jim Nyamu. Is it in the wrong place? Can I simply move it? He plans a cross-USA walk in 2014, with many celebrities participating, and his entry undoubtedly will attract some attention. Please just let me know how to fix this (if, indeed, there's anything I can do to fix it). And sorry for sending you a direct e-mail, if indeed you do not like direct e-mails. Thanks for any help. Kcroes (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Please learn wikilinks. Why on earth email me when you have left the message here?  I have no recollection of sending you any message - please remind me. The only thing I deleted was Articles for creation/Jim Nyamu and I suggest you read carefully what the deletion log entry states. You need take no action - simply wait for the article to be reviewed. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Koča na Kriški gori
I don;t think this article fit into any of the A7 criteria. I tried to delete a similar article recent, btw, and my prod was reverted with a long explanation that the other WPs found these notable. So perhaps if you want to try AfD ...  DGG ( talk ) 02:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that argument can be refuted under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Other Wikipedias do not appear to have the same stringent referencing requirements that we do.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 08:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Promises of Wikipedians
Hello RHaworth, its Yasir72.multan. I want to do a serious talk. If we ignore my created account and you unblock Yasir72.multan then I promise you that I will :


 * 1. Never Creat any other acvount
 * 2. Stop irritating Administrators
 * 3. Stop irritating Pages of Administrator's talk pages
 * 4. Never do Personal attacks
 * 5. Never creat articles or archives of Festivals in pakistan or other any article

It is a good deal. Please unblock Yasir72.multan (or give an expiry date of my account blocking)  so I can act apon my promises. You will see no any mistake again about me. I Promise, but unblock me. Try to give me one chance. I am waiting for your reply. Please dont forget to reply me. Thanks dear. - 119.160.119.48 (talk) 12:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As this message has been sent to both you, me and I have taken the liberty of replying on my talk page - please reply here.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller  13:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Noted. Still thinking. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Revisions of Main Tera Hero
Thanks for move this page, but i don't think so that old revisions restoring is good, because my only mistake that i'm created the article with wrong spell... And this time That article was created by me. :- Chander  For  You'''  18:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Spelling mistakes are not grounds for deleting old revisions. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Skyactiv as in Mazda
Hello, I noticed that Skyactive has been deleted. Is there any reason why it can't be restored? Or e-mailed to me.. Thanks, Wildanimal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildanimal (talk • contribs) 23:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Skyactive has never existed. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Forever Never
Hi there, I was not the actual original contributor for the page regarding the band Forever Never, but I was curious as to its deletion and if it could possibly be reinstated upon editing whatever violation it had apparently made (to do with advertisement supposedly?). I know it has been a while - is it long gone, or could it be reinstated somehow? Thanks, RennyFN (talk) 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In the five years of the articles's existence, not a shred of independent evidence of notability had been added so one was forced to conclude that they are not notable. I have emailed you the final state. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleted article Blockchain.info
Hello RHaworth, I was surprised to learn that no Wikipedia article exists for Blockchain.info. Turns out it was recently speedily deleted. Could you please restore the article? I'm sure the fact that it satisfied CSD in your estimation means that it was rather stubby and poorly written. Nevertheless, I'd like to start from whatever was there. Thanks, Chris Arnesen 01:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC) Got it, thanks! BTW deletion log says User:TOW/sandbox. – Chris Arnesen 15:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I was tempted to say "send me 0.1 bitcoins to my wallet at Blockchain and I will restore it"! As a Blockchain user, I agree it is probably notable. If you had actually read beyond my name on the deletion log, you would have found your way to User:Tow/Blockchain where I have preserved the text. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:17, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I can see why you deleted it :) Chris Arnesen 16:00, 9 January 2014 (UTC) Ah, indeed. Sorry and thanks again. I hope this passes muster now Blockchain.info. Cheers, Chris Arnesen 21:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, and if you look at the log for User:TOW/sandbox, what do you see? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It was very naughty of you to start your new version by copy&paste instead of moving Tow's draft. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:42, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Harish Chandra Rajpoot
[Spam and shouting deleted. No actual message was left.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcrajpoot (talk • contribs) 09:42, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleted list of FSM implementations
Hi RHaworth, It seemed to me to be a worthwhile entry in Wikipedia to keep track of the FSM implementations available, in a similar way as List of web service frameworks or Comparison of web application frameworks. The list is useful for a someone who is needing to use an FSM in their software, for comparison. Is the issue that the links are external? Regards, Jim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alkenstein (talk • contribs) 17:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct. "List of" articles should be restricted to blue wikilinks. If there are any articles, then creating list of finite-state machine implementations (put the name in full) with this restriction will be uncontroversial. Never mind about requesting alpha order, the more important notice at the top is: &lt;!-- IMPORTANT, READ BEFORE ADDING AN ENTRY. Please ONLY add networks with a Wikipedia entry. They are likely to be removed otherwise. -->. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:36, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleted page Iteinstein
I am trying to create an article and it appears as I am making it, it is getting deleted before I am done. This is even in the sandbox.. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sv25565 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delighted to be of help. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. Please pass this message on to . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:42, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Progressive schools
Access to deleted article: list of Progressive Schools. Would you mind providing this for me? Thanks, Suzanna Suzieq31515 (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * My first reaction was to say: there never has been an article called list of Progressive Schools nor even on the correct title of list of progressive schools. But you have caught me in kindly mood. After lengthy investigation, I assume you followed a link in the progressive education article. This link was in fact piped to category:progressive schools. I deleted that because its creator requested it thus: "I created this category to replace a long list of progressive schools given in the article on progressive education. I thought that this was the best way of preserving the information before I removed the list from the article. It has been pointed out (correctly) that this classification is nebulous and I have therefore depopulated the category before having it deleted. Delete as unsustainable. – JMcC (talk) 17:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)".
 * The MediaWiki software obsessively records every dot or comma change to an article but if you ask it "what articles have been in category:foo", it cannot tell you. But at least we can offer you this state of the progressive schools article with the aforementioned list of schools still in place and JMcC's population and depopulation edits . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:42, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Wesleyan Theological Institute
Category:People trained at the Wesleyan Theological Institute. This should be Category:People trained at the Wesleyan Theological Institution - I don't know how I messed up the redirect. Can you help me solve the problem? Castlemate (talk) 04:59, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, category pages cannot be moved. But is the following too difficult for you? Create Category:People trained at the Wesleyan Theological Institution / edit the two relevant articles to point to this new category / apply a db-author tag to Category:People trained at the Wesleyan Theological Institute. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

That's was what I was trying to do but obviously messed it up. Thanks for the advice but it will have to stay as it is as I don't want to mess it up again. Castlemate (talk) 00:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Paul Stubblebine
. I, Body$lam, request the undeletion of this AFC submission deleted under CSD G13. Please userfy or restore as appropriate. Body$lam (talk) 06:11, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Roger, first let me admit I'm confused. I saw that there was a message for me, and when I looked at it I was informed that an article about me was started but abandoned. I don't remember starting one, nor asking anyone to do it for me. But I'm certainly curious to see what was in it. Am I correct that you can help me resuscitate the article so at least I can see what it was? Body$lam (talk) 06:11, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Roger. Yes, I noticed it cited my daughter--didn't say which one, but I've got a hunch. I'm sure the world isn't crying out for a wikipedia page on me, but it's nice to know that my daughter thought it might. Body$lam (talk) 02:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Text e-mailed. The article was created by an IP address so there is little chance of being able to contact them. But your daughter is cited as a source - speak to her! &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Restore request
Please restore the redirect Futz! (TV series) (and the associated talk page Talk:Futz! (TV series)) which you previously speedily deleted per my nomination - consensus had previously been formed in analogous situations at Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 August 18 (the bottom two nominations). Thank you. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 10:03, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Why? They aren't mentioned at the target article.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 10:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Launchballer, I suppose you missed the word "analogous" above. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 11:11, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Having looked the word up, I think this is a case of other stuff exists.-- <font color="#00F">Laun <font color="#00F">chba <font color="#00F">ller 11:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect restored. It most certainly does not need a talk page. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Per the analogous case of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:List of Carl Squared episodes, WP:G8 is not considered a valid reason to delete the redirect's talk page in this case (now that it exists again), so I would ask that you please restore the talk page as well. (User:Launchballer, analogous consensus trumps mere essays every time.) Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 11:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I would ask that you not simply ignore my request to restore the talk page. If you think there's a reason that the consensus I just pointed to doesn't apply here, please state it; otherwise, please restore the talk page. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 23:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * How much time have you spent writing messages here? How much time would it have taken you to recreate the redirect and, if you really insist, its talk page? Do it yourself! &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Restore request
Decade of darkness was a newly created page tagged for deletion review then deleted less than three hours later with no chance for discussion or feedback. This is hardly reaching a consensus; it was one person who thought the term was politically biased and another who performed the delete. The term is an important part of history and background in the federal government's treatment of the Canadian Forces and Department of National Defence. If the page's talk page needs to be utilized to hash out the details of making the article more 'neutral' then that can be done, but the page deserves to stand.

Request the page be restored and marked for improvements to be discussed and agreed upon through the talk page. ARMY101 (talk) 03:44, 11 January 2014 (UTC)