User talk:RHaworth/2017 May 18

Emotional Speech Blocks Deletion Syndrome
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User:Champion/Eubot list 13
Could you please explain where the author requested deletion? -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

The actual author requested restoration of the page, so the author never did request deletion. Please be more careful in the future, that's embarrassing. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Rhinos17
Can you confirm why I received the message below. The page User:Rhinos17 has been reviewed by RHowarth. Thanks, Rhinos17 (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * , new users' edits aren't automatically marked as "reviewed", which basically means "No vandalism here". This doesn't mean the user who checked the edit doesn't trust you or thought you were vandalizing.  Normally, autoconfirmed users' edits are automatically marked as reviewed.  (For the record, your account is autoconfirmed already.)  However, when a new page is created or when a recently created page is edited, those edits aren't marked as reviewed until a new page reviewer manually marks it as reviewed.  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 15:49, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Rhinos17, when I looked at the page I saw a link like this Mark this page as patrolled . Since the page seemed innocuous, I clicked on the link.
 * Since you have been foolhardy enough to bring yourself to my attention, I will say: so far you have done nearly an hundred edits none of which are actually contributing to the encyclopedia. Unless I see some useful edits by you soon, I am liable to block you for using Wikipedia as a free host. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I have recently created the account and have been creating my user pages on Wikipedia first I have made edits on multiple IPs for months. I have not got round to improving articles on the wiki yet as I spend a lot of time at school and studying as well as doing my hobbies. If while reviewing my user pages you think they could be improved please let me know on my talk page. Please can you show me where you got the edit count from. Thanks, Rhinos17 (talk) 14:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Goodbye. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Your view please
Yes, RH, that time again. If you could pronounce on, it would be much appreciated. Have a good weekend! &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:03, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Right. Good idea keeping the warning. Well, it's an object lesson I suppose. Cheers! &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:24, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

UJALA
Wondering why you deleted the images on my page. UJALA - Unnat Jeevan by Affordable LEDs and Appliances for All. Please restore the same. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaumyaTiwari93 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Please read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Courtney Deverux/sandbox
You deleted Courtney Deverux/sandbox, which held a redirect from the move of the sandbox page to article space, as "obviously created in error". It is not an "error" for a sandbox page to have a name unrelated to the final name of the article drafted therein, nor to move a sandboxed draft to mainspace directly. Indeed that is one recommended path to article creation. Please restore this page. &mdash; DES (talk) 16:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Restorated. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Deleted Page
Hello, If you are willing to talk to me about a deleted page, I would be very grateful. I have recently been working on a page called Pueblo County High School. I'm doing a school project and we are trying to add more information to our school page. I was making all of my edits in my sand box, and you deleted them. The information was not going to be put on the actual Pueblo County High School page, I was just simply using the sandbox for my project. My project is due soon and I was just wondering if you would be able to send me the information that I had on my page. I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm not really sure how any of this works, but if you could possibly do that, I would really appreciate it. Thank you for taking your time to make sure that my edits were being monitored and that I wasn't vandalizing a page. If you could please send me the information as soon as possible I would greatly appreciate it. If you need me to redo the links to the deleted page, just let me know. The link for the sandbox page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mar.eri.gar/sandbox The link that says you deleted my page is [] Sincerely, Mar.eri.gar (talk) 02:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * See below. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs)

United States illegal immigration
Hello, you recently deleted an article I've written United States Illegal Immigration. This article was written for an academic class and if possible, i'd like it back to keep in my sandbox. I cannot receive a grade for this assignment if i no longer have a copy of it. Link to article

Abell3 (talk) 03:23, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Did your professors tell you to write your essay on a Wikipedia page? If they did, then that was very naughty of them; they had no right to do so. Please see WP:NOTWEBHOST for why Wikipedia is not a free storage server for writings not directly beneficial to the encyclopaedia. And since your piece merely duplicated an existing article, it unfortunately contributed nothing. If it is returned to you- and that's not for me to say- it will probably be via email; I would not look forward to being able to return it to your sandbox, as exactly the same thing will probably occur. Take care! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  09:21, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I fully endorse O Fortuna's message. Please ask your instructor to explain here how they could possibly suggest that you create such a blatant fork. In the unlikely event that you are interested in improving Wikipedia rather than writing a student essay then anything you have to say on this subject should be added to the illegal immigration to the United States article. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

24: Athreya-Run
I saw that you deleted this article per G5, but looking at this SPI (no evidence was supplied with it) - I don't see anything that connects the accused sock puppet account (the creator of the article you deleted) with the sock master. Can you let me know what I may have missed? It looks like you notice a similarity. Thanks :-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   10:25, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see it now ;-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   10:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 26 April 2017
&mdash; JeffreyDuncan12 (talk) 13:07, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * O Fortuna, this would be the correct place for someone to request an edit to my user page but the tag says "this template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request" and JeffreyDuncan12 had provided zero info so you were right to delete it. (I wonder if the "12" at the end of his name is his age?) &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * -Right- got it. Didn't really see why he'd need to request an edit I suppose, but thanks. &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  09:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC)


 * He did not need to request an edit - he was just trolling. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Dazed and confused
Yo, need some help here if you can- there's someting a bit odd and can't quite put my finger on it, at User:Mar.eri.gar/sandbox. It starts with the fact that yesterday I tagged it G11. You deleted it and then moved it- I didn't notice that I'm afraid. Anyway, now today, it came on the recent changes again, I thought it was a recreation, so- you can see this comng- I tagged it again. Now, since it has your approval, I'm happy t withdraw the tag, but there's a couple of funny things I've noticed. One is that User:Nbromero/sandbox has an article on exactly the same school as the User:Mar.eri.gar/sandbox. Secondly, the latter sandbox is actually over six years old, and was actually created by, whom I am not pinging becasue probably has nothing to do with it. But I can't quite see how the account Mar.eri.gar, which was 20 April 2017 at 01:55, could have usurped or hijacked (if that's the right word) someone else's sandbox? I only noticed this because of course without meaning to I notified them when I tagged it again today, because they originally created the page. See what I mean? &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  16:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I know I do.   Dloh cierekim''' 18:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * User:Mar.eri.gar/sandbox certainly has a strange history. You moved it back into article space yesterday. Now it's where it is. I declined a G11 as it no longer fits, only to see its lengthy history. I figured you'd know more about it than I.  Dloh cierekim''' 18:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

see my thread above. &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  18:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I spent several minutes trying to work out the history and then I decided - why bother - for some reason high schools are automatically deemed notable so if these kids can put together a decent article, it will be OK. So I have further confused the issue with more moves and merges.
 * Mar.eri.gar, Nbromero, Aagui, Kmill001 and all others interested in this article: above all will you please work on one page only for this article and that page is currently draft:Pueblo County High School. The latest state of the page is a rather arbitrary choice. Please delve into the edit history where there is alot of stuff which might be usable. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Interestingly - if not that relevant to the Pueblo thing - I think WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES has been diluted - see This RfC on secondary school notability from January: the conclusion was that '.' Which, I think, is about time too! Take care, &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  09:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Undeletion of Adarsh Commercial Institude
Sir,This article is purely about an institute,however,it has its own significance. Adarsh Commercial Institude is one of the most popular institute of Siwan district. It is shorthand teaching institute. Hence, it must be undeleted. From Reema Kumari, 09:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reema Kumari (25) (talk • contribs)


 * Reema, it is article suicide to try and create in mainspace. Restored to draft:Adarsh Commercial Institute. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Article entitled Draft:Linda Lloyd Jones
It appears that my article was deleted due to copyright issues. I believe the problem concerns a my citation of a direct quotation (which I did reference, but obviously not adequately). I would like to continue editing to resolve the problem, but I am having difficulty finding the text. Your assistance is appreciated. &mdash; Wednesday 0008 (talk) 20:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Please learn to provide a link when you talk about an article. See user talk:Exemplo347. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

My Article and Account on deletion
Dear Sirs, I have received a message and my first article as Bio of Mubarak Abdullah Al Mubarak Al Sabah is deleted, can you please let me know the reason, it is not advert or promotional and all the reference were included. And in regard to my account, I can verify contact details, Let me know how to re-activate  my account and retrieve my first article. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Mohammed al Noor Alnoori22 (talk) 11:26, 28 April 2017 (UTC) Mohammed al Noor


 * It was your user page and it looked like a CV so I assumed it was an autobio in an unacceptable style and deleted it. How many Wikipedia bio articles have you looked at? Do you really think your piece was in a suitable style for a wiki bio? Please reply and I will conside emailing you the text. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Foreign Coins In Coin Roll Hunting
Hi. You deleted this article as per G7. The article was currently at AfD, Articles for deletion/Foreign Coins In Coin Roll Hunting. Should that discussion be closed?  Onel 5969  TT me 12:02, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * In my somewhat limited experience, pages that are speedily deleted during a deletion discussion have their AfDs closed as Speedy Delete.  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 12:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi - That's what I thought. But not being an admin, I don't close AfD discussions where the result is delete.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * See- you can't close an AfD when you can't perform the closing decision; in a case like this, where it's already been deleted, your close would be purely procedural as you do not need to then take any subsequent admin action. Having said that, there's no harm in just leaving it if you want to be on the safe side :) cheers!  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:07, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was about to point out Non-admin_closure, specifically #4.  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 13:12, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * There is a specific tag non-admin closure for use in these circumstances. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Restore User:Rachaelschippani/sandbox
Hi RHaworth, would you be willing to restore this sandbox or allow me to restore it under my main account, Tokyogirl79? The page was nominated for speedy deletion as promotional and while there were one or two sentences that could be seen as promotional, it looked to have been something that could have been easily fixed. It's also a student's sandbox article and they were a bit confused as to how their prospective article was so quickly detected and deleted, as it was in their sandbox. They're very willing to make any needed changes and they're also aware that not all schools are notable, but I thought that it would be a good idea for them to work on it (partially in the hopes that it'll be one of those NSCHOOL exceptions). &mdash; Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 04:12, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Restored to draft:Wolcott High School. Fortuna is requested to withhold her imperial hand. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Avatar Land concept.jpg
FYI, you deleted File:Avatar Land concept.jpg a tad fast. It was out of use for about 4 minutes when you deleted it at 22:37. It's fine, since it got replaced by a free picture, but last I knew, there was supposed to be a seven day wait. &mdash; Elisfkc (talk) 00:51, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Elisfkc, edit conflict. My practise when doing speedy deletions is to open several candidates in separate tabs and then work through them. Thus the state I saw had an immediate deletion tag placed by you and I did not realise that you had changed it to a di tag. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

5399E694-6CE5-4D6C-8FCE-1D8870FDCBA0
I didn't see this in time to object to it, but could you please let the RFD run its course? This is the GUID identifier for the Control Panel, not some random string. – Train2104 (t • c) 03:07, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Train2104, please learn to provide a link whenever you talk about a page. Google recognises this string for what it is so I agree that a redirect may be valid. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Kolakngat. I made this page a few days ago, unaware that the same tribe is covered at Gulidjan, into which I have incorporated the material now. It may be speedily deleted, since I was the author, and I asked for this on the talk page. Sorry for the bother. &mdash; Nishidani (talk) 10:07, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Nishidani, do it yourself! Learn to use the tools the MediaWiki software provides. For example, if you create an article with a mis-spelled title then: move the article to the proper title and edit the redirect (not the talk page) on the wrong title to . However the correct action in this case was to convert Kolakngat to a redirect - something which you could and should have done. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

I'll copy that to my talk page. But, and I have some notoriety regarding this, I am a complete fucking idjet with anything outside of just writing articles. I hardly know the details of even the most basic policies. Anything of the kind you suggest is of course simple, but beyond the narrow-gauge range of my intelligence, which is fast on those rails, but rooted if it has to shunt anything. Sorry. Thanks.Nishidani (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

New user
Could you please reconsider the deletion you made here. This is a new user. I would suggest that this is not unambiguous advertising that cannot be made into an article without a major re-rewrite as per policy. This is just someone describing something they like. In a short time they may even edit outside her sandbox. The user in question is finding the welcome she is receiving as confusing.... and I do too. &mdash; Victuallers (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What one may find equally confusing is why you haven't yet answered the question on your talk page, despite having edited much of the day...? &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  16:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Yanyanhahaha/sandbox restored to draft:Alipay. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Victuallers (talk) 07:00, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Is there a reason why you did not use use her sandbox? We advice new users to use their sandbox for new articles. Victuallers (talk) 07:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No special reason. Feel free to move it to user space but I do insist that the draft tag stays in place to help ensure it gets deleted if edits are abandoned. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:19, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

about my deleted article
Hi there, I have created an article with a name of Privacy in Social Information Access and it looks like you delete it. Can you please restore it to me since it is a part of course project this semester and I have to receive a grade for it. However, I will work more on changing the topic since it is more about privacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azizsalim (talk • contribs) 12:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Please ask your supervisor to explain here how they could possibly allow you to create such a blatant fork then I will willingly email you the text. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:19, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

The Plane Jar (recently deleted)
Dear Sir, what exact policy did I fail to actually meet, and could you please put the page back up for ten minutes so I can save my precious data? Regards, Gamerbossdp, creater of The Plane Jar (Wikipedia page) Gamerbossdp (talk) 16:23, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Gamerbossdp, at least in your more recent state you have learned to write in the third person. But kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your association is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Alipay
I see you have made a lot of changes. Can you explain your rationale? There was an invitation for you to discuss this with the user who had created a new draft. &mdash; Victuallers (talk) 23:26, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - although I'm confused by a more general point. Where are new users meant to test their skills? If I wanted to create an improved version of a wiki article or to try a restructure then I would use a sandbox or maybe a draft. I wouldn't expect to find that my new version would be deleted or moved - unless I was breaking real world laws or I was creating collateral damage to the real wiki (like new categories can). This would be a fork if it was moved into real space, but surely it is not a fork until that happens? If a new user wants to test their skills then they might choose their mum or they might try writing a bio of Winston Churchill. Can they do this using a sandbox? We can both see why this will not be useful to Wikimedia but it could be very useful to their training. Are they allowed to do this? &mdash; Victuallers (talk) 08:36, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Any thoughts? &mdash; Victuallers (talk) 11:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

I've continued the debate here rather than on the new users page as they are finding this debate confusing (I get emails). I'm pretty sure that you don't want to debate the meaning of a "A lot of changes" - I don't. This is a new user. If they have deleted good stuff then its a mistake -you are asking for an explanation. That's fine, but you must understand the difficulty as they are learning and they talking to someone who deletes/hides all their work. They have little explanation of much larger changes to ~100% of their contributions. They are a bit confused at present. Their intention is not to damage the article. They were quite happy to edit a draft or a sandbox but that has not been allowed. I see that you have offered help, please consider how you could assist further. &mdash; Victuallers (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * To answer your question "where are new users meant to test their skills?" Yes, of course a new user whose motivation is to help build an encyclopedia can use their sandbox. However my reaction to Yanyanhahaha was that their motivation is to write an essay for their supervisor to mark and their continuing silence on their talk page confirms that to me.


 * Email indeed! Your first action should be to train a new user to use talk pages. See below: AbdullahiLDN contacted me by email, I replied promptly "use talk pages" and they promptly left the message below. Now Abdullahi strikes me as a user with the right motivation.


 * What further assistance can I offer Yanyanhahaha? If they re-create their sandbox, I undertake not to touch it and I ask the Empress of the World to do the same. There is nothing else that I need do. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Looks like fame at last, RH...
&mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  11:57, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes indeed. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Habiba Da Silva
Hi, I am contacting you regarding a Wikipedia article I have made for Habiba Da Silva and Habiba da silva (but not for Habiba da Silva which I would have rated the preferred title) a blogger from Birmingham, UK in September 2016 and was deleted a month later. I understand you have deleted the article due to (A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject). I now have recent articles that credibly show the importance of this blogger and that she is a real person.

I kindly ask you to re-publish the Wikipedia article. Thanking you in advance and I look forward to hear back from you soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbdullahiLDN (talk • contribs) 21:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Examining these sources show them to be unconvincing as they're only announcements or notices here. SwisterTwister   talk  04:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Being a real person is utterly irrelevant! There are plenty of Wikipedia articles about notable fictitious people. I have emailed you your text. If you can find better references than the ones you gave, feel free to re-create via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Deleted draft: Spaceship Storage
Hi, I would like to inquire on the reasons for the deletion. Could you kindly elaborate on the reasons and if you have considered my contests? Many thanks. Best, Daryl Ng — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darylng (talk • contribs) 12:59, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Page move
Hello, could you delete Last Thing on My Mind so that Last Thing on My Mind (disambiguation) can take its place please. — Calvin999 10:31, 10 May 2017 (UTC) I've gone through that link. Any left are just what appear in the Bananarama and Steps navigation templates at the bottom of the articles. — Calvin999 14:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I would like to see a lot of the 80 or so incoming links fixed first. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:16, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. — Calvin999 15:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

OSDI page recreation
I would like to recreate the page for the USENIX Symposium on Operating Systems Design and Implementation. The reason given for deleting the original page was by criteria A7 - No indication of importance. I counter that this is in fact an important conference to the field of OS design. It should be noted that in academic computer science, conferences are more important than journals for sharing work. Not having a page for a conference of this tier is a disservice to our readers who might be interested in knowing more about this particular topic. I'm prepared to rewrite the article to properly assert its importance and I'd like to access the original article text. Thanks, Blueclaw (talk) 15:58, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The singular of criteria is criterion. A person who has been on Wikipedia for 10 years and 3 days ought to know to provide a link when they talk about an article. I recommend you to submit your re-write via AfC. Give me the link and I will re-instate the text. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Max Minghella image
Hi, It appears that you deleted an image of Max Minghella and I was wondering the reason why. The image was cleared by the rights holder for usage on Wikipedia. Let me know if I am able to re-post it and I'll go ahead and add it back. Thank you. 42WDigital — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42WDigital (talk • contribs) 20:34, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Please read this. You have short memory. On 2016 Aug 23 you uploaded File:Scott Derrickson headshot.tif with a speedy tag in place and I deleted it the same day. Clearly you learned nothing. If, and only if, you have an image available with a cc-by-sa-4.0 or compatible licence, upload the image as a JPG (not a ridiculous PNG or, even worse, TIF) to the Commons and jump through the necessary hoops to show that it is available under the licence terms you select. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I am no Wikipedia expert and the rules are confusing to someone who only edits once in a blue moon and is not familiar with the intricacies of it all. So if I re-post the same image as a JPG will that work or is there anything I am missing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42WDigital (talk • contribs) 15:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * This calls for a good Victor Meldrew style "I don't believe it!" "Is there anything I am missing"! My message contained three links: read this, cc-by-sa-4.0 and the Commons. You obviously have not followed the first of those links which was the important one nor either of the others which might have given you further clues. OK, you may spell the word licence differently but surely you recognised it. It obviously did not give you even the slightest hint. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Swansea College of Art
I've tried creating a page for Swansea College of Art on two occasions. Each time it gets blocked by wikipedia reviewers. The current page which redirects searchers to Swansea University is incorrect. Swansea College of Art is not and never has been part of Swansea University. Swansea College of Art was established in the city in 1853 and has gone through a number of name changes such as the municipal school of arts and crafts etc. Currently it is part of the University of Wales Trinity Saint David. I'm more than happy to add additional references to strengthen the entry but so far both my attempts have been subsequently blocked by reviewers. As a new contributor to wikipedia it takes time to get up to speed with the coding issues to ensure everything is properly referenced etc. Rather than blocking me and thereby maintaining the incorrect redirection to Swansea University could someone give me some clear guidance and an opportunity to improve the entry. Thank you. Y Gorlan (talk) 20:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The page you cribbed speaks of the "the multi-million pound Dynevor Campus" but when I look at the list of campuses I see no mention of Dynevor. Please get that matter clarified. So - write an article in your own words which makes it clear that the College has nothing to do with Swansea University and submit it via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Makeinaxom
Please undelete makeinaxom page. I am creating from office. I will format later RH. It is a genuine page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaushik899 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Moved from old unrelated section to a new section.  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 14:34, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with a) no COI and b) the ability to create a coherent article thinks that whatever you are trying to write about is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

WISeKey
The page I created for WISeKey had been tagged for speedy deletion by Shritwod this morning, and I immediately responded noting that the content had nothing in common with what may have been submitted in the past other than dealing with the same entity. The company is publicly listed on a major stock exchange, plays a visible role in Internet security, and is actively acquiring other known companies in the Internet sector around the world. I think this establishes its notability - and the content was both factual and verifiable. I am willing to improve the content of the submission - but you deleted the page before that admin responded. What can I do to open dialogue on the notability of this entity for Wikipedia? Cryptoki (talk) 14:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the guidance. Is there any way to retrieve the deleted content? Cryptoki (talk) 15:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't bother with dialogue in the first instance. Simply resubmit via AfC. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Retrieving content - read this. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Gliding Eagle
Hi there. Could you explain why you delete my article about a corporate Gliding Eagle Inc. I used all references in my article and I didn't say anything pertaining to the advertisement and promotions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Waitingaaa (talk • contribs)


 * Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here.&mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Catholic Integrated Commuity
Dear RHaworth, you deleted my first article Catholic Integrated Commuity because of a typo in its name: "11:45, 11 May 2017 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Catholic Integrated Commuity (G8: Talk page of a deleted page)" Of course it should read Catholic Integrated Community. But: Shadowowl had just fixed this typo only half an hour before. "11:13, 11 May 2017 Shadowowl (talk | contribs) moved page Talk:Catholic Integrated Commuity to Talk:Catholic Integrated Community (Typo fixed per author request) (revert)".

Now I am quite confused and do not know what to do, because I wanted to continue working on my article, it must be further improved - but it cannot be found any longer! At least not through Google. Could you please help me? Thanks. Paddy Pillow (talk) 05:02, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "Not through Google" - what an insult to the MediaWiki software which provides all the clues you need.This calls for a louder Victor Meldrew style "I don't believe it!" You actually quote the move log entry. In its original form and as amended above by me there are two links, one red one blue. Did it cross your mind to follow the blue link? Have you thought of looking at your contributions history instead of asking Google? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

2018 April Fools Day
You speedy deleted my userpage 2018 April Fools Day, using G3 as reasoning. G3 only applies to Mainspace articles, not userpages. Doing that was in good faith, but I was using that userpage for testing purposes and was never intending to make that article a mainspace article.It says on User pages that "Test edits and the re-creation of deleted material (within limits) are permitted in user space". It is in user space, and consists solely of test edits, so I would like the delete to be reverted. 5tr5 (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Just poking my nose in of course, but a couple of points; there is no such qualification to the WP:GCSD criteria as you suggest (',' with no such exclusion pertaining to that particular criterion). Likewise, hoaxes, vandalism, etc. (everything covered by G3) are no more allowed in userspace than in articlespace. Hope that clears things up! Take care, &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  18:19, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

It was a "sandbox" ... the URL has sandbox in it. It had the template WP:Humor. And you think it was a hoax/Vandalism... 5tr5 (talk) 18:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, of course, sandboxes are subject to the same guides as other user pages, unfortunately. What article were you planning to contribute to with that page, if you don't mind my asking? &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  18:28, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

The 2018 version of April Fools/April Fools' Day 2017. When it's 2018. It's a tradition. I'll revert the edit back immediately of course. 5tr5 (talk) 18:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * April Fools day is a fine tradition within the Wikipedia community, but one of its core principles is that nothing happens in mainspace. So there is no scope for a hoax article as part of our April Fools day program. Articles that seem very improbable such as the Museum of Bad Art strange deletion debates such as Articles for deletion/Earth (2nd nomination) and even a request for signatureship. But the jokes have to stay in WP space or userspace.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  22:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


 * If, as you claim, it was a test page, why did it need to be 38k bytes long? And why draw it to people's attention with such a ridiculous title? I have gone carefully through your 16 edits and can see nothing worth restoring. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Harry Styles (album)
Can you semi-protect the page to persistent genre warring? 183.171.182.48 (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Which page?
Sir, Would you please publish that page. If someone propose any fault or misleading information, you can suspend my membership but don't send my hard work in recycle bin. Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishu2014 (talk • contribs)
 * Which page for goodness sake? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Suspend memberships?! Dammitt, Sir; does Haworth think this is White's, or something?! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:50, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Presumably they mean the shameless first-person ad for something called "Beam On Technology" which they published on their talk page, and which was swiftly deleted as the advert that it was. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:13, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

McHale Clan DNA History
Hello Mr Haworth - looks like my page entry didn't come up to scratch. I'm on a learning curve - apologies for being a nuisance. I've been deleted due to Sect A11. The results of the YDNA tests for the McHales are scientific (so not supposition). We all took the Family Tree DNA BigY test and the results show us as a branch of the O'Byrnes of Wicklow. I put in the hyperlink and wanted to show the relevant bit as an image but didn't have the know-how to do so. This - the result - is quite a surprise for all of us and also for local Mayo historians as it goes against previous guesses based on name similarities. I have been doing quite a lot of historical research to cross-ref with the YDNA findings but didn't want to be too laborious. Your advice would be very welcome. Should the article be in another section, perhaps? Yours, Michael Brabazon West Co Cork — Preceding unsigned comment added by McHaleMan (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "Another section"! No - another website! Far too detailed for here and it counts as original research. Publish elsewhere - there are lots of genealogy websites including some using wiki structure. As far as Wikipedia goes: first create the Clan MacHale article! You may include in it a sentence or two about the DNA testing and link to your detailed article in another place . &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:20, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

CDSS deletion
Dear RHaworth, I recently created this page centre for defence and security studies and it was deleted by you. the website mentioned as copyright infringment is the University centre website and as specified by massey university in the below address: https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/copyright.cfm in lines 'the University grants users of this website a licence (within the meaning of the Act) to download, print, share or otherwise reproduce the information for non-commercial purposes only' and as wikipedia is not cateogirzed as a commercial use, there was no copyright infringment. please restore the page if possibile — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caucesco (talk • contribs) 23:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)  Caucesco (talk) 00:01, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia explicitly requires that any copyrighted content used herein must be licensed by the copyright holder under a license which permits re-use of all kinds, including commercial re-use. Thus, the university's more restrictive license does not permit us to use their content. -- Orange Mike  &#124;  Talk  00:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

The opera corpus
Hi RHaworth, would you mind moving this article back to the title it has had for over a decade? It is not a list of notable operas, it is a list of individual opera composers and their major works (as stated in the lede), so List of notable operas is inaccurate. I am unable to undo your move because you have move-protected the article. (BTW, you also removed the AfD notice from the article without closing the AfD. Could you please either close the AfD or replace the AfD tag?) Thank you, Softlavender (talk) 10:44, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


 * As the original editor of this list, I can endorse this. List of notable operas is inaccurate and misleading. Thank you.  Klein zach  11:01, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

RHaworth, please see this current thread regarding accurate title(s) for the article: Talk:List of notable operas. As I mentioned above, the title you moved it to is not accurate and is misleading, and the move to that inaccurate title in September 2016 was done without discussion. &mdash; Softlavender (talk) 11:05, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I am confused: there were suggestions of two separate lists but I could see only one edit history. If you want the list at the opera corpus and a redirect at list of notable operas, I will happily arrange it. If you want separate lists: a) I strongly disagree and b) please give me some indication of which edits should live at which title. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

What "two separate lists" are you talking about? We are talking about one single article, and the fact that you moved it to an inaccurate and misleading title and then move-locked the page. Please see the discussion at Talk:List of notable operas. -- Softlavender (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/List of notable operas states "the two articles [ie. the opera corpus and list of important operas] share identical scope (though not content)" - that seems like a suggestion of two separate lists to me. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

We're not talking about an AfD or two separate lists. We are talking about one single article, and the fact that you moved it to an inaccurate and misleading title and then move-locked the page. Please see the discussion at Talk:List of notable operas. -- Softlavender (talk) 12:30, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much, RHaworth! Much appreciated.Could you also move The opera corpus to List of operas by composer, to avoid the double redirect? &mdash; Softlavender (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * A move indeed! All you want is a simple edit to change the redirect. Normally I do not bother to fix double redirects because there is a very efficient bot that does it - see these edits . But in this case since there has been edit and move warring, I decided to leave the protection in place and change the opera corpus for you. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:07, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Since bots are not admins, and the redirect was move-locked (as well as edit-locked), I do not believe the bot could have fixed the move-locked double redirect. Am I mistaken? &mdash; Softlavender (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Although I did not say so explicitly, you should have been able to deduce from my message that the bot could not correct the redirect in a protected page. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Mandi Perkins
Hello RHaworth - A few years ago, you indefinitely blocked User:Arider88 for disruptive editing on the page Mandi Perkins. This was a likely COI editor who was upset with some of the material sourced and included on the page. A year or so later, a new editor, User:Mpmusicwiki, started editing in the same pattern as Arider88 (removing sourced material, promotional additions), and claimed overtly to be Perkins herself. I didn't pursue any admin action because there wasn't a lot of action on the page (she's not actually famous and the only editors to the page, essentially, have been the COI editors and myself). Today, Mpmusicwiki started talking on the talk page (hilariously, accusing me of being a COI editor; see my response). Soon after, Arider88 removed your block notice on her own page. I'm wondering whether this is sufficient evidence to maintain a connection between these two editors, demonstrating sockpuppetry. &mdash; Chubbles (talk) 04:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * User:RHaworth As mentioned in the Talk notes, User:Chubbles is referencing material that is not active and only exists in an archival capture and not on the actual site he is referencing. After viewing his notes with Arider88, I found his edits quite troubling after checking said references. All current edits made were done with active references and reflect those references. &mdash; Mpmusicwiki (talk) 05:22, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Looks like a case of WP:GAME is afoot. I'll let the comments here and at Talk:Mandi Perkins speak for themselves. &mdash; Chubbles (talk) 05:27, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Get your facts right. The block log is visible to you: for how long did I block User:Arider88? This edit that you mention is ample for me as evidence of sock puppetry. I have blocked  for reasons stated on their talk page. I do not want to get involved in any content discussion about Perkins so I have left Arider88 unblocked. But let me know is a) she fails to make a clear declaration of CoI or does anything silly like requesting deletion of the article. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Cross-namespace Redirect Assistance
Hello RHarworth, I created this draft a few days ago: Draft:Odoi Yemoh. I tried moving it to the mainspace today. But you deleted it a few hours ago. I read the reason given here (deleted page) and it makes sense. My only problem is how to move the draft to mainspace without creating a redirect. According to WP:R2, I thought it will be fixed by a bot. All criticisms are welcome. &mdash; Manuelodoi (talk) 04:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Before attempting to move your article to the mainspace,, I would first submit the draft to Articles for Creation. They will assess your draft and give you feedback about what to fix to make sure it doesn't get deleted.  You can submit it to AfC by adding  to the very bottom of the draft.  However, before you do that, one problem I noticed right away is that the article doesn't describe why the subject is notable in Wikipedia's sense of the word.  The subject should be able to at least meet our general notability guideline in order to have an article here.  I'm afraid that if you don't fix that issue, the draft will be deleted soon after it is moved into the mainspace.  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 06:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Will do. &mdash; Manuelodoi (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Note the difference between a redirect from mainspace which is always candidate for speedy deletion and a redirect into mainspace which is fine, not worth touching and of which thousands exist in draft: space. And that which I deleted was simply a redirect at Odoi Yemoh after your actual text had been moved back to draft space. But as Gestrid says, do not move the page yourself - wait for an experienced draft reviewer to come along. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Azerbaijani hamams
Hi,RHaworth!You deleted my last article for unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.visions.az/en/news/512/7869f000/, http://www.tazebey.az/homeen.htm. Have checked the last version of the article? There was not any copied sentence. Why did you delete my article? what is the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LadymooN (talk • contribs)


 * Please learn to: a) begin a talk page message with an heading and b) finish it with a &#126;~&#x7e;~ signature. You shot yourself in the foot by re-creating the article with a speedy deletion request in place! Restored to Draft:Traditional hamams in Azerbaijan. Note that there is no e in baths and we don't need the word in the title anyeay. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Deleted edit check
Given that you deleted a fair number of files uploaded by users Epavli1500 and Antonios1994, could you check their deleted edits for me? Specifically, what I'm looking for is if there are any edits to pages in the file namespace with titles written in Greek script. Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:14, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I cannot image why you are making such a very specifick request. I have emailed you the complete history of delete edits for these accounts. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:27, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Hi, you recently deleted the page Luxy (App) under the G11 criteria, Can you please move it back to a draft I am willing start working on it so that it meets Wikipedia policies. Thanks -- KaytroniX (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I have emailed you your text but kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no CoI thinks your app is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:27, 18 May 2017 (UTC)