User talk:RHaworth/Archive to 2005 March

Categories

 * I note you took out two 'Rivers in ...' categories from Beverley Brook. Are you aware of the discussion at Categories_for_deletion? Or is it just that you feel the links should not be created until the Categories are moved?
 * Both aware of and actively part of :) Standard procedure is to keep using the old categories until a decision is made (after all, the decision could be to do nothing). After that there are automated processes ("bots") to change the categories on existing articles if necessary. -- Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 07:03, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

India related edits
If I may be allowed to brag a bit: &mdash; I was responsible for elevating the India article for the FA status in September last year, rewriting it from scratch. The issue is not about religious matters. The editors at that time shared a tactit understanding that only sites pertaining to the Government of India would be featured on this page. Any religious, travel links etc. would be reverted. You see, Hinduism is not only India based, and some parts of India do not have Hindu majority. Nepal's official religion is Hinduism, so it is pointless mentioning religious matters in what is a purely "further resources on India" section. External links pertaining to religious matters can be added to relevent pages. Secondly, No, I'm not a Muslim; I have also edited topics on Krishna. Thirdly, yes, I have heard of Croyden, as I knew someone who resided there. Lastly, please post messages at the bottom of my page. Regards, Nichalp 18:43, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)

STD
50 km is the local range in which one need not add the area code prefix to a given telephone number. A few years back (2002 if I'm not mistaken), MTNL/BSNL increased the range from 50 to 500 km stating that the numbers falling in this range would be charged local rates. To simplify this process, all that one needed to do is to dial the requisite number along with its area code. However, to get the local calling rates, the prefix 0 should be replaced by 95. Nichalp 18:33, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

Crown Dependencies
Yeah, I did see I'd repeated stuff. The Crown Dependencies definitely took over responsibility for postal services in 1969 - maybe Guernsey had its own telephone service similar to Hull. Guernsey Telecoms is now Cable & Wireless Guernsey.

The participation of the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man in the UK numbering is a bit of a grey area as although they have their own telecoms regulators, their numbering space is still administered by the relevant authorities in the UK, Ofcom. Jersey Telecoms even mooted leaving the UK numbering plan, but generally the view is that the status quo is to the mutual benefit of those Islands and the UK.

For your information, San Marino has the IDD (not ISD) code +378, although it's not used from Italy and you can still dial +39 0549. Liechtenstein has had the code +423 since April 1999, the Swiss code +41 75 is no longer valid.

Well, what a coincidence. I too live in Croydon. I'll say no more than that as I value my privacy. Quiensabe means 'who knows?' Quiensabe 15 Jan 2005 12:52 UTC

Train v.Locomotive
Thanks for noticing that the Calcot Grange pic should have been in the Locomotive article not the Train article, I have moved it over. On the question of pic size, here's what I know: Until about a week ago I always uploaded at 750 pixels wide to avoid scrolling on an 800 by 600 pixel screen, and I set the size at approx 100K. Then I discovered from several contributors that WP policy has changed. It is now recommended to upload pics at the out-of-camera pixel size with no particular recommendation on kilobytes except to be below 1 MB. The WP software automatically downsizes the pic to fit the Image Description Page and provides a link to the full size version. Have a look at Lauda Air to see what I mean. So now I upload at my camera size, which, if I don't have to clip the pic, is 2200 pixels wide. I compress down to about 350K from the 800K of the original because although I believe 1 MB is OK, I don't like to overdo the size for 56K users. Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 00:19, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wantsum Channel
Hi RHaworth, thanks for pointing out the duplicate stuff on the Wantsum Channel. I think there is enough potential to create a separate article but will raise it on the Thanet talk page this evening. I wrote it from memory and you are right that it could do with more work. adamsan 10:12, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

UK Telephone Charge Groups Map
Can't really help you, I'm afraid. Might come back to you about this later on.

Quiensabe 17 Jan 2005 20:29 UTC

Wikings
Thank you for your message about Wikings. I do not consider this vandalism, neither is every anonymous user automatically treated as a vandal on Dutch wikipedia. I think the article can remain on Dutch wikipedia, but I suppose nobody will miss it if it is deleted on the en: wikipedia. Regards, Ellywa 07:47, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

More chat at: nl:Overleg_gebruiker:Ellywa


 * Well I voted to keep for ya Waerth 11:38, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Area code
(On Hadal's User page) Perhaps I am a naive Brit but what was wrong with WhitePages.com: Area code maps that you have just chopped out of Area code?


 * I've replied at User talk:RHaworth. -- Hadal 07:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The anonymous user who added it (24.18.143.234) also added links to the same site to two other articles. As Wikipedia is not merely a collection of external links (yes, I hate having to parrot that, but it's true), I thought it best to limit the number of links to this website, especially when one considers area code already has an externally linked site offering area code listings. The whitepages.com link did more to clutter than enhance the article. (See Spam for more info.) If the anonymous user was you, or if you think the link is useful enough (and not too redundant), by all means re-insert it. -- Hadal 07:13, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs
Hi RHaworth - in my mum's old home town (she grew up in Thornton Heath),

Just a quick note that I've noticed one or two articles you've worked on turning up in Category:Geography stubs rather than in the subcategories that are better suited to them (eg Beverley Brook, which I moved to Category:UK geography stubs). It's good to see you adding new articles and wikifying ones that are already there, but I'm busy trying to make the Geography stubs more usable by making sure that it's not so full as to be useless, so can you please use the subcategories where they exist? Cheers Grutness|hello? 03:08, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * (from User talk:Grutness) Thanks for the note about geo-stubs. I will try and look for appropriate stub templates in future - though there do seem to be an awful lot of them.
 * There are... and there are likely to be more. If you look in category:Geography stubs they're all listed at the top. Problem is, until recently there were over 4000 geo-stubs - far too many for anyone to comfortably wade through to find what they were looking for. With the subcategories there are now just under 2000, and hopefully that will reduce a little further still with two or more subcategories. it makes it a little harder to remember the correct stub (although most of them are of the standard form "country-geo-stub"), but it makes it much easier for people working on articles from one country to know what need to be worked on.


 * (stuff from here moved to Categories above)


 * Changing the subject, Do you by any chance know where on the web I can find list of river gradients? For example, I was brought up near the River Kent which was reported to be one of the steepest rivers in the country.
 * Sorry, but I've no idea. Short of checking up ordinance survey maps to find the height of the source and outflow and work it all out manually, I can't think of any way of finding that out. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 07:03, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Whoops - yes, ordnance. Trouble with having two similarly spelt words, each of which makes sense in the term - especially since ordnance was originally a variant of ordinance! Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]

Croydon disambig
Thank you for adding the disambiguation page for Croydon! I agree that the London Croydon should stay - it has the current inbound links, so a new disambiguation page definitely seems the way to go.

You're quite correct that there are ultimately going to have to be lots of disambig or "see also" links for overseas (especially UK) suburb articles, where there's an Australian suburb of the same name. I guess they'll just have to be added as and when they come up. Unfortunately Australians are not very creative with their suburb naming ... it's actually a minor pet peeve of mine - I'm from the UK originally, but my girlfriend is Australian, and sometimes the lack of originally in naming things makes me laugh and say to her "What's wrong with you people?!" - Aussies either seem to either have a) copied a name verbatim, usually from the UK, or b) named it after someone, such a governor or an explorer, or c) used a really obvious name (e.g. Sydney, and just to the north of it is called "North Sydney" ... Sydney has a harbour, so it's called "Sydney harbour" ... the harbour has a bridge, so it's called the "Sydney harbour bridge"; and so on and so forth, without any creativity whatsoever! :-)

I haven't met the person you mention from Cremorne; Cremorne is a nice area though, in a fairly central location, so if you ever visit Sydney you should if you can wrange a way to stay with her.

All the best, Nickj (t) 23:00, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Some crashes I remember

 * 24 October 1947 - Collision between two electric trains in dense fog near South Croydon - 31 dead and 63 injured or 32 dead and 183 injured. (My nearest railway station now. I was nowhere near there in 1947).
 * Hixon rail crash (new article). I remember this because:
 * I was working for English Electric in Stafford at the time
 * Subsequently I met Sam Hallas whose page I have linked to
 * I have a client called Tom Hixson
 * August 24 1999 - (Google search). Collision in the English Channel memorable for the names of the vessels - the Ever Decent not living up to its name by shattering the Norwegian Dream.

Leckhampton
Hello. The Leckhampton page has changed into a more reasonable state since you voted, and I was wondering if you would have a second look? cheers, Mlm42 01:08, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Shantavira
Hi Roger, pleased to see you've caught the Wikibug. Enjoy! Shantavira 19:46, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC) (Jonathan)

Flurng
User:Flurng probably wrote this here:

Hey, gang! After seeing how many folk are looking to pick up Duke Jupiter goodies, I figured it'd be easier just to post here, rather than e-mail each of them! At any rate, if anyone really wants D.J. stuff, they need to check out a place called "The House Of Guitars" at 645 Titus Avenue, Here in Rochester, NY. The place is an unholy MESS, but they do have lots of Duke. ( Be prepared to search a while!) My own personally favorite joint is a place called "The Record Archive", On Mt. Hope Avenue, also here in Rochester. They also have plenty of D.J., and the place is a whole lot more organized. ( And, quite frankly, their stuff is more fairly priced! ) Anyway, hope this helps, & Happy Hunting! Daryl Dubbs <[mailto:Flurng@yahoo.com Flurng@yahoo.com]> Rochester, NY USA -

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VfD John 20:16
(No vote - I voted above.) I have just taken a brief trip over to Category:Sura. I am bitterly disappointed to find that most of the articles within it are merely stubs. But I think it sets a precedent for Biblical articles to be at the Chapter level rather than the verse level.

The terms POV and NPOV are being used by the deletionists in this discussion without making clear whether they mean: Consider the following: The first is totally NPOV - it is central to the Creed of those Christian sects which have one. The second is barefaced evangelism and has no place in Wikipedia.
 * different POV's among Christians - of which sadly there are many but which I think Wiki can handle
 * differing POV's between Christians and other religions - which is something which must be discussed and above all accepted.
 * "Christians accept Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour"
 * "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved"

May I propose the following boilerplate to be made into a template and inserted into every New Testament article in Category:Bible verses (with ones similar in spirit for the Old Testament and Apocrypha)

Digression. I remember attending a service conducted by Hugh Montefiore. Before we sang the hymn The Church's one foundation, Hugh requested that we remain silent on the words yet one o'er all the earth on the grounds that Christians are far from being one. -- RHaworth 09:08, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)
 * Please. That's a load of hogs-wallop. You are asserting that all Christians should beleive that all faiths are on an equal plain as their own. I don't think so. That's just relativity. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:41, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My reply to Ta bu shi da yu - not yet sent:

Just to make sure I understand you aright:
 * Do you consider that Christianity is a faith inherently superior to all the others? For example, that it possesses a greater measure of the truth than all others?
 * Do you extend that to consider Christians in some way superior to people who adhere to other faiths?
 * Do think that all people should follow Christ and hence do you support classic missionary / evangelistic efforts?
 * When non-Christians die do they go to a different place from Christians?

(Please reply here - I shall be watching.) -- RHaworth 12:10, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)

Signatures
You can create fancy sigs in Preferences - mine is entered as  sjorford// . Tick the Raw signatures box and away you go! sjorford// 09:10, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from the Humble Guy
Hey, thanks so much for the advise, I reverted it as you said. :-) Humble Guy

I'll be smug, then
Heh. I only put that there as a joke because I thought nobody would end up reading my talk page. Thanks for proving me wrong. ^_^ ~Shiri 20:41, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with The Gates
I now see what they mean by "thumbnail". I took the dup'ed material out of the other article, and marked it to be deleted. Morris 21:24, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

LB&SCR
Thanks for that. I think that in cases such as this historical accuracy is more important than grammar and rules of style, and it's pretty clear that the company name never had a second comma. rossb 11:07, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Witwatersrand
Ok, I'll put up a notice on those 2 IP's. Thanks for the info! Inter\Echo 12:04, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Postal districts
Hi there! Since consensus seems to have been achieved, I've closed the discussion at Deletion policy/Postal district. Could you please read the conclusions posted there and add a short msg to its talk page if you agree? Thanks. Radiant! 10:27, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

UK railway stations - B
Your template wizardry is very nice, and had I had a clue about such things in April 2004 when I originally did the pages, I'd maybe have used the templates. I tend to think the ex-timetable column entries should say something - XXX departure board - for instance, for after the table header has scrolled off the top of the page, whereas a clickable postcode possibly suggests a map or some gro-detail, the TLA codes don't suggest anything much. Oh. And having done one page, I think there are about 23 to go ... you wouldn't fancy doing them, would you? best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:stn art 3lnk
Hi Roger. You write:


 * Hi, Chris. Great to see you using this template. Just to point out quickly that I also have stn art lnk which was identical (until your perfectly OK mod). There is no reason for two templates - I did the '3lnk' version as a test, found it OK and copied it to the other. I was going to tidy things up. I have copied your mods over and made '3lnk' a redirect. I don't like the idea of templates that redirect but it seems to work. -- RHaworth 12:59, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)

One of the pages you added to was on my watch list, and it seemed a really good thing, so I used it in one or two places, then thought it would be a good idea to have an article on Multimap.com and made the change you spotted. I had no idea it was still work in progress. Thanks for migrating my change; I'll go back and redo my changes to pick up the correct template.

Incidentally, I'm not sure where you are getting the postcodes for stations from, but if you are getting them from the National Rail website, be careful. The postcode they had for my closest station (Reading West) was invalid, being in a post town (RG3) that got rationalised years ago. Multimap does point this out if you test the resulting map link, although the photo link just says 'no photos for this area yet' or something similar. I've used local knowledge to fix this one, but it may happen elsewhere. -- Chris j wood 14:50, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * That is why I prefer Grid Refs - I was delighted to discover that Multimap accepts Grid Refs if you call it the right way - see Woodside and South Croydon Railway. If National Rail have got it wrong or missing (as with Brunstane), you have to find a nearby street and look it up at royalmail.com. The circle multimap draws may not be quite over the station but then it is not always right using the published postcode. -- RHaworth 15:26, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)

UK railway stations - A & UK railway stations - C
I'm happy enough that we have the red stations, but without the leading fullstop. However both pages A & C show A's and C's ... surely some mistake? Would you mind sorting it out? I'd prefer not to interfere with your work in progress. Thank you for your effort on the UK railway stations pages. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Maps of the UK and Ireland
Hi Roger, I've had a go at creating this page Maps of the UK and Ireland. Given your interests, you're very welcome to have a look and make some comments or improvements.