User talk:RHaworth/Archive to 2007 May

 wikify! I am sick and fed up with people who leave a message here about an article and fail to provide a wikilink to the article. How do you expect me to read the article if you don't link to it? I reserve the right to ignore any message which does not provide links where appropriate or has not been signed with ~. Even if the article has been deleted, you should still link to it. And if that sounds like a grumpy old man, it's because I am ...

Atlantis in Bible
Hi, recently I have added an article in wikipedia called 'Atlantis in Bible'. You have tagged it for deletion. I think you think that this is an original research. But many researchers have done independent researches and have reached to conclusions similar to mine. The story of Atlantis does exist in Bible and I think it is good to tell people about it. Atleast two books have been written on this topic, one by myself and other by an other researcher. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziaabbas (talk • contribs) 12:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

15:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

TeachersCount
We saw that you don't like the tone of our article. We invite you to change it to be non-advertorial (we've made changes but welcome yours as well).

Thanks, TeachersCount http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TeachersCount TeachersCount 15:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, sir
I see you did get around to my rather lengthy question, and moved it to my own page. I appreciate your trouble. I hope this is an acceptable place to answer back to you -- if not, let me know. I'm all for proper form. By coincidence, I discovered diff reports looking up Grand Cayman, which was described as "a high-lying cow reef, with a highest elevation of roughly 400 (actually 24) meters above sea level. ... The island was devastated by Hurricane betsy (actually Ivan)...." By comparing versions (after I failed on Google to find any sense of "cow reef") I found these, of which all but "cow" had already been corrected. Apparently other editors were "cowed" by the uncertainty. The discussion at that point was a stern warning to anon. not to vandalize any more as had done on another article &c.

So the diff file -- that's a great tool. I am a programmer myself, C++, VB, Assy, though not often for money.

I see what you did -- the bulk of the internal path to a Wiki article is redundant & superfluous.

I'm thinking of some ways to get at my Dulles problem. I could simply passivize it, as "It has been said that bla bla bla, but there is serious reason to question this, considering bla bla bla." I presume that skirts the formal offenses. Or, I could start from scratch, and read six books on the guy. That's probably worth doing, but when?

When I saw how many other websites swallow & regurgitate Wiki pages, this one in particular, it occurred to me that purveyors of lies on behalf of vested interests would indeed desire to use it, if subtlety would prevent it being soon reversed. The CIA is the subtlest beast of the field, BTW.

Again, many thanks -- it's clear you've got a lot of people asking for your time. JS Carpenter --ProudPrimate 01:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Help a wiki cripple out, please
Hi, well I guess I am not too worthy ... before anybody else bashes me or anything else, could you please terminate Pilot und Flugzeug as most doubt the relevance... thanks and thanks for being the only nice wikiadmin so far... I will see that I better my writing and return after therapy! ;-) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Desertson (talk • contribs) 11:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Why on earth delete? "Many said it was not notable" - nonsense - one person, MER-C has applied the mildest of improvement tags. Sit back and watch what happens to the article - you may be pleasantly surprised. Or go and create some incoming links to the article. -- RHaworth 11:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Incremental updating
The article Roadmap in-vehicle incremental updating is not intended to be an essay, although it might initially appear that way. The initial content, as now stated in the article, is intended to give context for contributions that will lead to a cohesive and informative article. I hope it develops this way and is not deleted before it has a chance. Roesser 14:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a forum. You can have my view tested at AfD but I suggest you publish this article at Wikinfo or one of the other wiki farms.
 * Regarding your article: are not the satnav and other manufacturers already well ahead of you in designing incremental updating?
 * For Wikipedia: although bandwidth is very cheap these days there is still a need for incremental updating and not just for in-vehicle systems. I would suggest a short article called incremental database updating which restricts itself to discussing existing, documented techniques. -- RHaworth 01:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Program management
18:37, 14 April 2007 (hist) (diff) m Program Management on a Single Page. Fix...(Deleted redundant title text. Added authors image. Very valuable for new Program Managers.Urge Keeping) (top)

Mr. Haworth... Do these changes solve the problem with my contribution? *1* This management technique was used on the Technology Hall of Fame award winning Advanced Communications Satellite program at NASA. I was the Program Manager and found it to be a valuable tool, worth sharing with the new managers comming behind me.

"Program Management on a Single Page" is still a valuable contribution for new, young program managers that are struggling to understand and use Earned Value Management... EVM grew out of the Technique described in this paper. It is easy to understand and very useful for technology programs today. I urge you to reconsider and approve this contribution for inclusion in our Wikipedia... Regards, Jon Michael Smith NASA SES Retired. ie. Jonmsmith
 * *1* Sorry, no they don't even begin to solve the problem! The title is ridiculous: spurious capitals; "on a single page" is pointless, self-referential and silly; spurious dot at the end. But the title could easily be changed!
 * Please read Ownership of articles. We do not even sign articles, still less put our picture in them! (But you are allowed the image in User:Jonmsmith and Jon Michael Smith - why on earth did you not add it there??)
 * Wikipedia is a collaborative project, we do not like people who just throw their articles in without reference to what is already here. Your article is, quite simply a fork. Please work on improving program management, earned value management and related articles.
 * If you wish to publish your article in its present form then do so on your own website or put it up at EditThis. -- RHaworth 06:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Please withdraw my contribution "Program Management on a Single Page". I have not figured out how to cancel this contribution. Getting too old, I guess. Jon Michael Smith

You inquired "I would be fascinated to know what the unofficial (or official) view from inside NASA is of Alexander Bolonkin and his designs." ...-- RHaworth 06:39, 15 April 2007 (UTC). I knew nothing of him till I read your question. We have had a lot of very competent scientists from other countries. Wish I could help but I do not know of him or his contributions.
 * Thanks for that on Bolonkin, it helps to re-inforce my view of his notability. -- RHaworth 01:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

SAIL LABS Technology
Could you please tell me why you deleted the entire SAIL LABS Technology page? It was up as a short stump after it was recently added to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ICT_Prize winners... I just wanted to start the page, although an employee of the company in hope that others would finish it (but an hour on a saturday morning seems a bit short to do that). I do not want to write too much on SAIL as there is a conflict of interest, but I think winning the European innovation prize ("like the nobel prize for IT" quote from derstandard an Austrian newspaper) I think this company deserves an article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertson (talk • contribs)
 * To be honest I was "punishing" you for incompetence! The self-referential comment at the end of the article seemed to be almost inviting deletion and was in the wrong place - this stuff goes in the talk page. Also you had created SaIL Labs Technology and not marked it db-author to clean up after yourself. However, incompetence is most definitely not valid grounds for deleting anything on Wikipedia. I am happy to restore it, and say that it must have a proper AfD debate if it is to deleted. If anyone puts a speedy tag on it, do the job properly: add hangon and point people to my comment here.
 * I commend your modesty for not writing too much but you can attend to the matters I have indicated in HTML comments without being acused of COI! -- RHaworth 06:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very kind... and thank you for excusing my incompetence when it comes to Wiki.. I am new and am just stumbling rather than walking! ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertson (talk • contribs)
 * I decided to send it to AfD myself - that actually protects it from speedy deletion! -- RHaworth 07:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Borderline
Can you tell me why you deleted my addition? I happen to know what I'm talking about and it wasn't spam. It was the honest, verifiable truth. I have worked with Borderline people for well over five years. I have published a book on the subject and I have personally witnessed hundreds of people find success with those tools. There are countless people who will verify the truth of the edit I made. (I've also noticed you, or someone else, decided to completely erase the The Five Steps page I made. I spent hours on that article and it was neutral and completely verifiable - hence the countless links I included to substantiate the statements.)  -- Ashdenver 15:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Okay, so since it's a topic that has been successfully used in therapuetic settings by licensed mental health professionals but doesn't have a reference on Wikipedia and only very limited presence on the internet, virtually unlisted as it relates to BPD recovery through CBT, that's grounds for deletion? There are plenty of similar references to the five step model online: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg163.pdf, for a start. That said, if the links directly to the bpdrecovery website are replaced with random links to other sources that show the same or similar information, can the page be reinstated? (My only goal is to increase awareness; if another website had all the information being referenced, I'd've linked directly there instead.) --Ashdenver 17:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you really need to ask? Three editors were agreed that The Five Steps was blatant advertising for your website. The sentence in the BPD article was merely a link so it got deleted. Read WP:SPAM and WP:COI. -- RHaworth 18:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you think I would not follow the link? What earthly connection (apart from an accidental similarity of name) is there between the HSE document and mental health. You will need some proper examples of your therapeutic method before anyone will consider re-instating the article. Also, it is better to make the request at deletion review so that more than one person will see it. -- RHaworth 18:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Kawasaki_GPZ750
Be gentle with me, this is my first thing I wanted to modify wikipedia. Ive modified the description for the 750 Turbo page as some of the specifications were innacurate and added some prose about a couple of facets, but I note you moved it into the current part of the tree as Kawasaki GPZ750. Would it be possible to link this page to "Kawasaki 750 Turbo" (the name widely used in factory literature), "Kawasaki ZX750E" (official model designation) and "Kawasaki Gpz750 Turbo". Im requesting this as the Kawasaki GPz750 was a completely different beast and sooner or later a GPz750A owner (the non turbo model) will come along and "correct" the page to the non turbo model. I added the link to the turbo site containing the race mode documentation, although Im not sure this would be construed as "Advertising" as I help run 750turbo.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MFluffy (talk • contribs) 13:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC).
 * The first thing to say is please, please sign in before doing any edits. If we are to believe special:contributions/MFluffy you have not done any edits at all except to write the message above! Consequently it is difficult for me tell what you are talking about. You have not "modified the description for the Category:Kawasaki motorcycles".
 * Why on earth are you asking me to create links? If you want to create links you must learn to do so yourself - read Help:links and get on with it. I suspect you may actually be talking about renaming articles - you can also do that yourself, using the "move" command. If you find a move is blocked because of an existing article, then and only then will you need admin assist. Come back, stating clearly what you want moved and to where and I will be happy to assist. (And keep quiet about your possible conflict of interest!) -- RHaworth 13:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Ive signed in. Yes the above edit was the first after creating the username, Ive never felt the need to edit a wikipedia page before and as you can tell, didnt understand the formal processes etc. I modified the page Kawasaki::GPZ750 as its specifically the GPZ750 page I am concerned with rather than the parent kawasaki motorcycles category. For the links thing, I went through the edit history and seen that you moved it into the current location and category, so assumed it was a admin only facility to rename the page from "Kawasaki GPZ750" to "Kawasaki GPz750 Turbo". Ill go away and rtfm a bit more! I also noted the citation of information sources required, Ill go and try find the original links its quoted from and add them in. Ill also try to link it into wikipedia at large (has to link to at least the keyword "turbo" doesnt it.) Thanks for the steerage, Ill do some better homework and learn about posting to wikipedia a bit better... —Preceding unsigned comment added by MFluffy (talk • contribs)
 * I forgot to say that for "move" you don't have to be an admin but you must be logged in. -- RHaworth 17:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Denvilles halt
Having given way to the temptation to tidy up Denvilles halt I found during the work, from my copy of Butt's The Directory of Railway Stations (P.78), that the LB&SCR opened Warblington Station as Denville in 1907. I thought you might find this ironic given events during the dispute. Someone at the time thought so; they renamed the station within the year (Ha! now I look at book more closely, within the month!) This may explain why you found Warblington and the only Denville you could find suspiciously close, as per your comment on the article's talk page. Butt has no reference to this Denvilles halt. Your comments are welcome on the quality of my changes to the article. Britmax 10:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

OSGB36 and WGS84
I know that you are aware that Template:Oscoor converts grid references to OSGB36 lat/longs, but the Map sources/GeoHack page expects WGS84 lat/longs. It means that Template:Oscoor, and all the templates that use it, e.g. Template:gbmapping, are of little use if you want to pinpoint the exact location of a building or street. (Similarly, the grid references generated via Template:coor are also inaccurate by 100m or so.) However, User:The Anomebot2 (a bot) is correctly converting grid references found within articles into WGS-84 latitude/longitude in Template:coor title d. Such articles then contain two geo refs which are displayed as about 100 metres apart.

Would you be able to modify your software to perform the datum change? See http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/LatLongConvertCoords.html, for details how to do this. http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps/information/coordinatesystemsinfo/guidecontents/ gives even more detail.--Dr Greg 18:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Noted - will reply soon. -- RHaworth 23:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Chalfonte-Haddon Hall Hotel
Ok sir so I had a go at a real article Chalfonte-Haddon Hall Hotel, I was at it all day from 9am until late in the evening. Researching my facts and checking them twice. I've been obsessed with this building, I work there on occasion in marketing. The building has had a strange lure. I stumbled across it's history by intrigue and have been amazed by it's intricacy. I've been exploring it's old corridors when I have time. Its one of 3 original old buildings left in town. They razed the rest. Hope this meets your approval. -- Charlesemorganiv 05:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC) - this is probably the main historical reference to the name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charlesemorganiv (talk • contribs) 04:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
 * See talk:Chalfonte-Haddon Hall Hotel. -- RHaworth 06:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I found some pictures of an old brochure from the hotel on ebay. You wrote a short piece on copyright of pictures of original works. Is it acceptable to upload these pictures for use in the article? I'll be posting some interesting history on the hotel being used as a hospital during WW2 shortly as well.--Charlesemorganiv 05:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Try one of the tags in Image copyright tags/Public domain. You will probably get away with PD-old-50. In the case of a brochure, chances are no-one knows the author of the work or we can pretend that the author assigned the copyright to the hotel. Certainly the article could do with a picture. It also needs a link to the hotel's website - it will not be deemed spam. -- RHaworth 05:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

-Just a side note, you had mentioned going to Blenheim Palace as a child with parents and having found a hotel with the same name in Atlantic City. Here's a picture of Atlantic City's version though it does no justice to the original and Interesting note: the original was built as a gift for the first Duke of Marlborough and sitting next to the Blenheim hotel is the Marlborough hotel. Perhaps another article.--Charlesemorganiv 02:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Jorvik Viking Centre

 * Discussion now at the talk page of Jorvik Viking Centre - or wherever it lands up!

Sorry!
I do not understand your message. Should I remove my box elsewhere. It is on a user page now. Did you do that for me. Sorry for not understanding! Sincerely, --Mattisse 17:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC) I am sorry. I do not understand that message. Also, where is my special contributions history? (I am assuming that is different from User Contributions.) Sorry for being in the dark and taking up your time. All I know how to do is write articles and do not understand the rest. Sorry! Sincerely, --Mattisse 18:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Does this edit suggest that I have done the job for you? You can also see the effect in your contribs history. -- RHaworth 17:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The edit history clearly states moved Extra box to &hellip; - surely that is clear enough and indicates that I have done the job for you. Click on the "my contributions" link when you are logged in, then look at your browser's address bar. Need I say more? -- RHaworth 18:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it does not matter if you have already done it and don't have the patience to deal with such as me. So thank you very much for your help and kindness. Sincerely, Mattisse 19:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Non-notable?
Just a little while ago you marked Dr. Bill Basansky as a non- notable article.

Did you ever consider that the page was a work in progress and newly created?

I just figgured you might like to understand that. Munkee madness 20:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I accept your criticism. However I recommend a) develop a new article in user:Munkee madness/sandbox until it is of viable size and b) the first thing you do with an article is create the introductory sentence "John Doe is ..." where ... is a statemnet of why the person is notable. -- RHaworth 20:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding that. Working to fix the article now. I forgot about the sandbox Munkee madness 20:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris Hardwick
nn-bio discussion for Chris Hardwick (speed cuber).

Please see discussion at Talk:Chris Hardwick (speed cuber). &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 12:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Alert
Hi, I just wanted to alert of this, and if it's considered the form of vandalism by modifying other people's comments, a personal attack, both, trolling, or none the above. The last version by that user looked inappropriete, so I reverted that as well. Basically, it still looks like this user is causing trouble after warnings.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. (talk) 20:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It is most certainly considered vandalism. Thanks for reverting it. I shall try and remember to watch that user. -- RHaworth 08:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The Fabulous Entourage
Hi there, On April 10, you deleted the wikipedia entry for the New York City based band The Fabulous Entourage which I created for wikipedia. I see in the deletion log that it had been deleted when someone tried to add it in 2006, and perhaps that's why this happened so quickly this time. This band is, however, quite well known, having released a debut LP called PLAY NICE NOW this year, produced by noted producer Tim O'Heir. They were also featured at the Whitney Museum during the 2006 Whitney Biennial. I would argue, therefore, that they're appropriate for inclusion in the wikipedia. Thanks for your consideration! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnedone2 (talk • contribs)
 * I am always suspicious of anything created by what appear to be single-purpose accounts which is the case with both versions of The Fabulous Entourage. You can raise the matter at deletion review or possibly, ask Smee who created A Very Merry Unauthorized Children's Scientology Pageant. -- RHaworth 08:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Katherine Mary Clutterbuck
On April 9 you importance tagged this article and left a note "just a few words in the first paragraph to say why she is notable, please". I have attempted to do this, and ask you to have a visit when you have the time and advise me if it upto scratch to warrant being tagged off? Many thanks petedavo 13:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone has just done it for you. Looks good to me. -- RHaworth 14:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The tag got them out of the woodwork. Looks like there will some collaborations. Regards petedavo 15:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

C. G. Finch-Davies/images
I see you deleted the above article I was working on - can you tell me why? Paul venter 17:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The total content of the article was: "[[Image:Claude gibney finch-davies.jpg|400px|left]] [[Image:Flamingo00.jpg|none|400px]]" . As such it counted as "empty" especially as both the images were already in the C. G. Finch-Davies article (what a splendid moustache!). En. Wikipedians seem to have a strange dislike of image galleries. If you wish to create one, do so on the Commons where no will cause you trouble.
 * If it is simply a matter of image size, I throughly endorse this edit. In case you have not noticed, when an image is included in an article it creates a link to the image description page. If the reader follows that link, they will see a (usually) larger version of the image and, if it is big enough, they can click on that image for the original size. We simply do not need pages with images at larger sizes.
 * Incidentally, re 350px chosen because of high aspect ratio - see MoS. Could we have an explicit MoS link please? -- RHaworth 17:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

See high aspect ratio here []. The page had only 2 images because I was busy downloading another 6 when you deleted it - perhaps I should make more use of "inuse" and "underconstruction" tags *2*. The reason for starting the gallery in the first place, is to circumvent the MoS guideline which suggests thumbs (and which very few editors observe) which has caused untold friction between myself and one other editor who feels that it is an edict straight from God, no exceptions. Why Wikipedia doesn't improve its image handling routines so that browser types and settings don't get screwed up, only the people in the know know *1*. Paul venter 09:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see this image. It is a screenshot taken with my normal browser settings . You will see that the start of the text has been reduced to an ugly narrow strip in the middle. This is precisely what the MoS is thinking of when it says bear in mind that some users need to configure their systems to display large text. Forced large thumbnails can leave little width for text, making reading difficult. And I am not even using large text! You had two images sized 320px wide - that does not leave much room for anything else for people using a 800x640 screen does it?
 * If you have more images, add them as a &lt;gallery> to the bottom of the article.
 * *1* The nice thing about Wikipedia is that you can talk to the people who know. If you have any specific suggestions, tell me and I will tell you where to repeat them to the people who know. These things are not straight from God but they are from people who have thought about a wider range of browsers and settings than you have. How many different browsers and screen widths have you tried with the article?
 * You will find life more peaceful if you fall in line with Kitty and the rest of us - save big images for your own website.
 * *2* Using User:Paul venter/sandbox is a much better idea. -- RHaworth 15:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Falling in line with Kitty" was never high on my priority list - I don't think WP should turn into a popularity contest. The problem with Kittybrewster and Tyrenius is that they lay down the law without bothering to explain as you have above. Perhaps they're too busy, perhaps they're too arrogant, perhaps they simply don't know - who knows? What I do know is that this discussion has clarified quite a number of things that were confusing before - for that I thank you. Paul venter 19:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Olympian
Great... I just speedied the article as housekeeping. Realistically there is absolutely no chance this would ever be kept. There is precious little information on the real S.S. Olympian out there. I've also been reviewing edit history. Lots of hoaxy edits ("Sims 2: In Season" OSX release on "Easter Monday") as well as some fair use image violations in the userspace. I'm going to chalk it up to a kid not knowing better, but he's been warned now.--Isotope23 18:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

St Pauls School, Barnes
Yesterday, whilst correcting various mistakes on your beloved website, I came across a 'mistake' so blatant it should be considered vandalism. Under the Daily Mail Cup (under the category of U15 Cup year 2007) there has been persistent vandalism where no doubt members of the loosing team (Lymm High School) have been editing the page so it says they won when they infact did not. I rectified this mistake, and created the link 'St Pauls School, Barnes', for the simple reason that this is how the Daily Mail refered to our school during the match (in the papers, on the score board) and I thus thought it would be the more approipiate name for the Daily Mail Cup page. So first of all I would like to enquire how this could ever be considered vandalism, as it is infact giving the school its proper title, and I would like to point out that if you were more enthusiastic about stopping blatant vandalism (Lymm High School being credited with the win) then you are challenging things that you don't even understand then this problem would never have arisen.Blobby124 11:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blobby124 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
 * The vandalism was that you created St Pauls School, Barnes as a copy-n-paste - old version. Thereafter were people supposed to edit St Pauls School, Barnes or St Paul's School (London)? See this moan. And why did you omit the apostrophe and why could you not use a piped link anyway? -- RHaworth 19:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I apologise profusely for not being able to provide a piped link but I have little idea how to do so. Moving on, I understand your whole re-directing business however I then urge you to delete St Paul's School London and leave St Paul's School Barnes as the sole page. Apostrophe and all. However all of this talk does over shadow my main concern which I do plead for you to look out for, while is that recent spates of vandalism have credited Lymm High School with the title of the winners of the Daily Mail Cup in the year of 2007 U15 Cup category. I would endebted to you if you saw that such attempts at vandalism where dealt with in a forthright manner. Deepest regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blobby124 (talk • contribs)
 * You have a barefaced cheek. According to schoolsrugby.co.uk, the match at Twickenham on 07 March 2007 had a score line of Lymm High School: 20; St Paul’s School, Barnes: 15. Any more trouble from you and you will find yourself blocked. -- RHaworth 06:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Tirumala Tirupati
Hi - I created the article on Travel and Accomodation in Tirumala Tirupati based on feedback left at Talk:Tirupathi Venkateshwara Temple. Couple of points: (1) Tirumala is the second most visited religious site in the world. most of the people coming there have little information on the temple, its traditions, its rituals and importance of nearby holy sites. This page is part of my effort to add these details about the temple (2) Page contains information on religious practice (Walking from Tirupati to Tirumala). I intend to add more details about the various temples in the walk path soon.

For these 2 reasons, i request you not to remove the page. If there is any way i can address your concerns, i will be happy to do so. -- Kalyan 18:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You are being led astray by one anonymous contributor . I assure you that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (see 2. Travel guides). I see Nichalp adding to Talk:Tirupathi Venkateshwara Temple - he will confirm my view. Post your stuff to Wikitravel instead. (And incidentally the capital A on "accomodation" was quite wrong.) -- RHaworth 18:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi - i have updated the wikitravel page on Tirupati and provided a link in the main article. hence please go ahead and delete the article, as the information has been captured (and thanks to you, in the right place - i should add)Kalyan 07:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

?????
? Milto LOL pia 04:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Xaldatin
Yes, considering the source for that page is wikipedia. -- Keylay31 hablame 05:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah unfortunately, there is way too much vandalism on Wikipedia and there are several sites (including yahoo answers and the like) that reference Wikipedia. Its way too easy for a vandal to put in something random, put in a fake source and a good edit summary, and have it get by those of us on VP and the like. Keylay31 hablame 06:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Bewdy Newk (shower science)
Thanks for the advice and the insight.

Probably should just stop and delete it myself.

This may not be a medium for anything objective getting done.

My attention span for this kind of adversarial process is waning a bit.

It may give administrators to do something better with their time.

So far i have not heard from my adopter, and have found your comments the most useful so far.

I hope you dont have to shower in one of those "cooling towers" surrounded by ancient Grecian Roman history and the like briefly referred to in my article.

You may be able to melt the ice on your head which i saw in your picture, but i suspect the lower extremities would remain much unaffected in one of these accursed contemporary showering devices.

I really do mean well for my globe and my interests "are" global and not "just" personal which i do also admit to in part.

Lately though, it has been getting to be an increasingly smaller part since i have by giving others the good end of the stick, i have by default taken the bad end.

Thanks anyhow though. (life's tough). Have been getting local support in Aussie so don't feel sorry for me. Do what you gotta do.

Yours faithfully mike Hybrid Shower and Showerscience. Showerscience 15:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC) Hybrid Shower203.87.50.39 10:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC) last edit

Poems
Hm... It's kinda sweet and nice that a bunch of students created their essays and posted them on Wikipedia, but that's not a place for them: their fail WP:OR, neutrality, they are unsourced, their tone is completely not suited for Wikipedia, etc. In short, all those articles need to be re-written from scratch. Renata 12:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Cremation in Singapore
Yeah, an AfD may be more appropriate, since there's apparently nowhere else where this article is posted (why us?). Looks like they have had most of what they have posted up for deletion. I'll get to work on it. Realkyhick 20:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

User:KellyTay deleted the proposed deletion template I put on Singapore's production of Little Shop of Horrors by Dream Academy. What's the correct response? nadav 23:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you have worked it out - AfD. -- RHaworth 02:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Neanderthal theory of autism
Did you read the discussion page before violating wikipedia rules and deleting? The topic is notable. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A21057077 --Rdos 07:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Neanderthal theory of autism. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rdos 08:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Beefy (artist)
I think the links at the bottom of the page confer enough notability for this not to be speedied. Despite the fact it appears to have been written by the subject, it isn't too spammy either. I reccomend you take it to AfD. J Milburn 10:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The length and diversity of the edit history would have told me the same if I had looked. Sorry. -- RHaworth 04:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Youthinkleft
When and if you have a moment, can you take a look at this article and tell me if you think it is salvageable? I tagged it for speedy deletion earlier today, and this is a recreation---though, I must admit, it is much improved from the version earlier. However, it still fails the NPOV rule by a wide margin, and essentially reads as an advertisement for the site. I think this kid is well-intended, and may just need an administrator to sit him down, so to speak, and talk to him. Thanks. ---Charles 03:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be wrong to condemn it just because the editors are 16 and 15 years old or because they have received a massive $92 in donations. But we can delete it cos it was only started on April 2 and they are writing in blatant first person. -- RHaworth 04:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was my thought as well... Poor kid.  He's trying. ---Charles 04:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

May I please ask why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Schweermo (talk • contribs) 04:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
 * He answered your question just above your question. ---Charles 04:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so if I take it out of first person. Will it stay up? Or, I guess what I am asking is...what do I have to do to keep it up? --Schweermo 04:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Taking out the first person is insufficient a) we know you are one of the editors so just re-wording makes no difference and, more importantly, b) the site simply is not notable (yet). My advice is: leave it deleted and wait. If the site becomes notable, someone with no conflict of interest will write about it for you. -- RHaworth 08:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

History merge
Could you help me with this, please? Ghost Yacht 18:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks. But my initial contribution is not appearing in the contributions history of Johnson Space Center Shooting. As far as I can see, it is currently still in the contributions history of NASA hostage crisis (earliest contribution here). This is because the original article Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center shooting was moved to "NASA hostage crisis" (you can see that, for some reason, the move is currently the first contribution in the "Johnson Space Center Shooting" article). I originally created the "Johnson Space Center Shooting" article as a redirect to "Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center shooting". I was hoping that could be merged back into "Johnson Space Center Shooting". Is that possible. Thanks again. Ghost Yacht 19:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The hist merge has been done - I have undeleted Talk:Johnson Space Center shootings so you can verify. Just rescue the stuff from the history of Talk:Johnson Space Center shooting. == RHaworth 18:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You would have made things easier for yourself, if you had made the correct request. This message only requests the move of a talk page and gives no hint of the existence of a NASA hostage crisis article. -- RHaworth 19:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

José Luis de Jesús Miranda
I was just about to complain that your merge has left the vandalized version before you reverted it.:) Could you also check whether User:Borat Antonio, User:Toxicroakk, user:MichaelTwarthy and User:Robertwey are all the same? Thanks. TwoOars ( T 08:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A quick glance at their edit histories would suggest that. You can judge better than I what their edits have been. A check on their IP addresses requires more than admin privileges - request at Requests for checkuser. -- RHaworth 08:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added another - don't bother with checkuser - just assume they are. If you want em blocked, that I can do. -- RHaworth 08:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone else has blocked User:Watermelon83 which is their latest account. Thanks. TwoOars ( T 09:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Lokanatha
I have dropped a note on user's talk page. I think blocking is a little too harsh -- Echofilm is a new user and doesn't seem to be aware of things like 3RR or other policies. I'd suggest unblocking him/her -- if the user persists with edit warring, s/he can be blocked again. utcursch | talk 16:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:WP
On my user talk page you wrote: ''WP: is not a namespace. It is a pseudo-namespace used only for redirects with very short titles, eg. WP:NFT and only for redirects to important, well established pages. Even if they were in the true Wikipedia: namespace, I do not think that Wikipedia:WikiProject Hugo and Nebula Award Winners needs the mass of redirects that you were proposing. The best way to advertise the project is by comments on as many Talk: and Wikipedia_talk: pages as you can think of - people watch those, they do not watch for new redirects''.

I apologize for using the wrong prefix (though I'd argue it does no harm to have them there except for the Wikiproject itself having the wrong prefix, not least because I've seen links like WP:AUTOBIO and WP:OR, etc., and assumed it was interchangeable with prefixing "Wikipedia:" to it). However, I was NOT trying to "advertize my project" like you said on my Talk page. I was merely trying to avoid redundant projects and to aid in the future if people were specifically looking for the existing WikiProject but couldn't remember the exact name (which with a name like "WikiProject Hugo and Nebula Award Winners", well, you could see how that would happen, especially if people were say, looking for the project tag for a Hugo Award-winning author or piece and forgot that the Nebulas were also included in the project, or vice-versa, or if they would have named it "WikiProject Hugo and Nebula Awards" or "WikiProject Hugo Award and Nebula Award Winners", etc.). I wasn't really aware of the difference between "WP:" and "Wikipedia:" (in hindsight, I can see why it's "unofficial" and used mostly for what, shortcut redirects like WP:NOR it sounds like?), though I must question why no one thought to just make the "Wikipedia:" prefix shorter (like "WP:") for the sake of editing conveinience anyway, unless I'm still confused as to exactly what all this prefix stuff means. Oh well. Thanks for letting me know, although I'm still wondering why on earth you thought I was "advertizing" the project by creating redirects (although I suppose come to think of it that that assumption makes a little more sense if you hadn't seen the original post about the sub-project's start over at WikiProject Science Fiction's talk page). Runa27 19:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with advertising a WikiProject - if it is going to be a success, you should be advertising it (or call it "announcing" if, for some unknown reason you feel embarassed by the word "advertising"). I repeat, announcing it on the talk pages of existing articles is the best way. -- RHaworth 19:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm still confused as to whether you saw the original WikiProject Science Fiction talk page post though, since I just realized that your wording in the original post doesn't really specify in detail whether you just came across a redirect or actually came across it at the SF project page. Anyway, my quibble was mainly just the idea I was only creating the redirects to advertize the project; however, calling it "announcing" is more accurate, given that putting a redirect up as a way of saying "Wait, you're looking for a Hugo Awards WikiProject? Well, that actually falls under this existing project, here you go...". I really did figure it would be a helpful manuever for future editors at the time. Thanks for understanding. :)

Coincidentally, I still haven't found out (or figured out) any of the following:


 * 1) The way to create those little templates people put on talk pages to denote that something is part of such-and-such project. I'll be glad to announce it on the talk pages of the relevant articles, but it would be awfully nice to have the template to cut-and-paste for each one, as it would be very easy to put that on the appropriate articles, and plus it just plain looks better and more organized that way, you know?
 * 2) How to make it so this WikiProject is displayed as being a sub-project within WikiProject Science Fiction; I can't help but think of it as a sub-project considering it ONLY covers two (extremely notable and long-running admittedly, but still) awards that are solely awarded to works and authors of science fiction and fantasy, right? Then again, is the Firefly WikiProject considered a sub-project, or just a project that falls under the broader coverage of the Science Fiction WikiProject? It just occured to me that I'm not sure what the difference (if any) is between a "task force" and a "sub-project" and so on. At least on Wikipedia (you'd think I'd know something like that by now, considering I've been editing here since December of 2005, but oh well...).
 * 3) Whether any of the pages I've created for the project will need to be renamed or not (not sure, I'm still a little confused on this point I must confess).
 * 4) Side note not related to the project but still something I've been meaning to find out - is there a template page somewhere for reference tags? You know, those little numbered footnotes that also function as internal links down to the References section to cite the source for a particular bit of information? I've figured out how to move them around, but the ones I've seen while editing are massive and complicated and I don't get where some of the values and inputs are coming from on them. Unlike things like italics, bold, image insertion, subheadings and various types and formats of internal and external links, I haven't gotten to the point where I've been able to pick up how to do it just from looking at the editable code of articles that have something like that (i.e. a reference footnote tag thing) in them. Surely there's a template somewhere though, right? I mean, I tried poking around in the sandbox even, and on pages that explain "basic" editing, and it just didn't help. I'm always wanting to cite my sources where possible, but I've had to settle for doing so via wording a sentence in a particular way or providing a URL link or just posting about the source on the talk page so somebody else can do it or something, and it's getting a little frustrating.

You're obviously a more experienced editor than I am and more knowledgeable about how the Wiki functions, do you happen to know where I can find the template/instructions/etc. for any of this? I would really appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction on any of these. ^_^ Runa27 20:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I found your WikiProject Hugo and Nebula Award Winners page during new page patrolling. I edited Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction to reflect my move and deletes but did not bother to read anything else!
 * *1* Create a template like template:WikiProject Buddhism then use it as in Talk:Lokanatha (Salvatore Cioffi).
 * *2* Simply list it in WikiProject Science Fiction. "Sub-projects" vs. "task force" - at a quick glance, I cannot tell the difference - just a matter of what name the first creator felt like.
 * *3* Cannot see any need to rename at the moment.
 * *4* Strictly speaking footnotes are not done using templates but by pseudo-HTML tags. I think that Help:Footnotes writes them up pretty well.
 * -- RHaworth 21:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's good to know where you found it. ^_^
 * 1.)The code is still a little daunting, but it looks doable. Very helpful link, thank you!
 * 2.)Aha! That helps. ^_^
 * 3.)Okiedoke.
 * 4.)Yay! That's exactly the kind of page I was looking for all this time! (I think my problem is I thought of them as "reference tags" and never thought to look it up under "footnotes", heh). Oh, and thanks for recategorizing the WikiProject. You've been very helpful, thank you! :D
 * - Runa27 19:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Approaching notability
OKAY! I'm about to go nuts (pardon me); I am new to Wikipedia on a scale of editing (as a user I love it...sometimes); However, long story short, I noticed and actress (Jana Kramer) had an INCOMPLETE filmography, I edited it (based on information from IMDB and HollyWood Reporter), to her film Approaching Midnight (I plugged in all current up to date info on the film as well, as I noticed a couple of her films are linked to FAKE OR UNRELATED pages, not by me, but yet, no one is fixing them? why, then alter everything I do before I am even done writing complete information for the page, the page is deleted.  I do not have the energy to go back and RE-WRITE pages of information after the page is taken off, at this point, the information is for a film that EXISTS, and is NOTABLE (been premiered at film festivals), and is not complete (like most film at film festivals, they are re-edited, re-shot etc)....I do not understand what is needed? can someone communicate proplerly with me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Akrishnadave (talk • contribs) 01:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
 * OK, have an AfD. I saw your comment to NawlinWiki. You will never stop the NawlinWikis of this world deleting work in progress - I have done it myself. The answer is develop your article in User:Akrishnadave/sandbox until it is "viable" then copy it into the (Main) namespace.
 * No one is fixing them - so why could not you fix them? -- RHaworth 02:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

CircuitLogix, etc.
CircuitLogix, Colin Simpson, Principles of Electronics, Electronic circuit simulation. Thank you for your feedback and edit notes regarding the above articles. As per your request, I have edited these articles, cited references, added external and internal links, and removed peacock terms. I hope these changes meet your requirements, but please let me know if there is any additional edits that are required.

Best regards, Carl142 14:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC) 'sorry about that. I must be getting sloppy in my old age. I have removed all #REDIRECTs. Carl142 15:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The first thing I see when I look at CircuitLogix is "#REDIRECT" all over the place. How many other articles have #REDIRECT visible in them? Come on man, if you want to advertise yourself here, you could at least try to make a bit of effort to use Wikipedia standards. -- RHaworth

ChocScoff
If he is banned, why restore the userpage? -- Avi 17:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Via the category, it provides a record of the extent of this person's sock puppetry. But I don't feel strongly, delete if you want. -- RHaworth 18:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The deletion of DirectAdmin
You have deleted the Direct admin page (which I created). First of all, I would have liked that you put a request for deletion there. Heck there wasn't even a speedy deletion template, you just deleted it. And second: the reason you specified your deletion was that it presumably was spam. As the page was deleted before, I did my very best to not make it look like spam. There wasn't anything on how really cool it is compared to the competition, it was just a basic summary of what it does. Besides, it really is notable, as far as I know it is one of the most used control panels for webhosting (of the 3 hosters I've hosted my site on, 2 used DirectAdmin). So please undelete this article, and put in the talk page what you want changed, so I can change it. Cristan 00:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Normally I consider "cool" as synonymous with "non-notable delete me". However in this case I am prepared to be lenient - the article had a long history and you have un-spammed it. But if it is widely used, find a citation and add that fact to the article. I have undeleted and won't even AfD it. -- RHaworth 01:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The word "cool" was an unsuccessful attempt to be sarcastic :-). And don't worry, I won't put anything "fishy" in it without proper citation. I have the article in my watchlist, so I'll make sure it stays spam free. Once again, thanks a lot! Cristan 01:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Boy, that was fast. Thanks! Cristan 01:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Poodualist dictionary
Hi I was wondering why you deleted my page Poodualist dictionary? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Friick (talk • contribs) 13:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Pure NFT. -- RHaworth 18:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Hoaxes
I am sure you are aware, you being an administrator, that hoax is not a valid CSD. I am wondering why you placed a db|hoax on Jumping turtle, rather than the more appropriate (and clearly actionable) G3 or G1 criteria. KillerChihuahua?!? 21:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Do 'G3' and 'G1' actually mean something to you? My brain don't work very well on numbers. Does it really matter - you deleted it anyway? One can always invoke WP:SNOW, which ain't official policy and ain't a CSD.
 * Seems I can't win - I tried to get the lesser spotted mule deleted as nonsense and was forced to waste everybody's time sending it to AfD! -- RHaworth 12:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Test page
I was hoping to sort out an annoying bug in my speedy deletion script that caused it to truncate the title of the page if it contained an ampersand. I can't really do that in the sandbox. I'll clean up after myself. MER-C 11:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm done. You can delete it now. MER-C 11:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

CircuitLogix, etc.
The articles CircuitLogix, Colin Simpson, Principles of Electronics, and Electronic circuit simulation have had references and sources added, peacock terms removed, and have been rewritten from a neutral point of view. Please let me know if these changes meet your requirements.

Best regards,

Carl142 12:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

One Great George Street tags
I did a bunch of work on One Great George Street that you tagged, and I have removed the wikify, orphan and uncat tags. But it still may sound like advertising. I would like you to read it again and see if enough changes have been made for you to remove that tag. Happy editing! Cynrin 20:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks for the suggestion to decrease the edit count by using my own sandbox. In my case, I'm often afraid of a child screaming and me having to run out of the room. By the way, I agree with all of your deletions. Perhaps in the future, I'll learn to be a little tougher. Speaking of learning, pray tell me what tool do I use where I can type in a street address and it will generate longitude and latitude coordinates. I've looked and looked, but obviously have not looked in the right place. Cynrin 00:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you have noted my edits. The thought that Tony Blair visiting adds prestige to a building seems strange to me. When the title is the address, why do you need any directions? And that is not just my cab-driver's mentality. One suggestion though: did you need so many edits? It makes the history a bit messy. Try and use "Show preview" more or, if you are afraid of your machine crashing or whatever, copy to user:Cynrin/sandbox, save that as often as you like then copy back to the article when you are done. -- RHaworth 23:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There is an official WP:BOLD policy, or as I phrase it, "shoot first, ask questions later". Streetmap.co.uk is my preferred tool. Down the bottom of each map page, you will see "Click here to convert/measure coordinates" which gives you a bewildering choice of co-ords. -- RHaworth 00:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Aretalogy
Hello, ...again. You are reading my mind, I believe. I have just dove (DIved) back into the Amarna letters, and getting in deeper. What you may not know is that Sargon of Akkad (babylonian of course), from 2200, or 2300 BC had an epic, obviously repeated over the centuries up to the 1350 BC Amarna letters, and Rib-Hadda addresses pharaoh as: King of Battle. Well, ... one of the Amarna letters is the epic of the King of Battle. (translated in the AOAT books from Germany: Alter Orient, Alter ?) I am plannng on making some stub type article on it...   And the aspiring of the pharaohs. I am getting chills writing this, because I believe that eventually, most of the Farraohs, started aspiring to rise to their heights of accomplishments. [Note: a common adopted name of the Pharaohs was: Men,Kheper,Re: Solid(permanence), Beetle(transforming),RA: Steadfastly Becoming (like)RA–I believe a profound name.] It must have been difficult in times of war, famine (Low Flood Niles), or Disease outbreaks. Any how... Thanks for the New Linkages..(It is stuff for me to ponder.)... (Michael).. -fromThe SonoranDesert,AZ- Mmcannis 03:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The PAP and the People
Re : The PAP and the People - a great affective divide. To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of this article - it's DYKable. Earlier on a few of them unfortunately went up for AfD due to the title and fashion it was written. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 07:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Raquela
Hello RHaworth, I'm hoping you can advise and guide me to save a contribution I made here at Wikipedia. I hope the steps I've made are so far are satisfactory. (Construction of my posts in Talk Page, User page and Edit summary) If not, I seek your help. I can imagine how busy you may be because of the popularity Wikipedia has currently made in the internet world. Your patience, guidance and suggestions will be very much appreciated as I am still very new here. Thank you sir. _Raquela 17:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Like I said, I'm pretty new to this. Here is a page that is up on Wikipedia that does the same thing... George Lamond. This artist is also a good friend of mine. Can you help me understand the difference? Sorry, I'm not a writer like you. On George's page I see it as a "advertisment" and "autobiography" as well. I really appreciate your time, your patience and most importantly, your guidance. Thank you Mr. Haworth. _Raquela 23:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Which of the words "advertisment" and "autobiography" do you not understand? -- RHaworth 22:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * True. The George Lamond article may well have been created autobiographically in the first place but it has survived two years and many people have edited so it. It could never have been considered an advert. The significant differences are: George has been around fifteen years longer than you (if I read the articles aright) and his article started as a modest stub instead of a self-inportant life history. But the AfD will let you see what others think. -- RHaworth 05:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I would add that Lamond has been signed by a major record label, for which he has recorded more than one album. He has also scored chart hits in the US, which, together, are ample to satisfy WP:MUS. Ohconfucius 06:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: BauerFanatic87
Hey RHaworth, thanks for the heads up regarding. I've had no dealings with the sockpuppet side of things, and haven't cared enough to learn their habits, as I focus more on the articles/vandalpatrol than administrative bits, but I'll keep an eye out in the future. -- Huntster  T • @ • C 01:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Speedy of Mies van der rovers
I saw that you had listed the Mies van der rovers for speedy deletion. Which I was about to do myself. I did also notice however that you had not posted the regular WP:SD warnings on the creator's talk page, either Mies van der rovers ~ OR Mies van der rovers ~ (both handily generated by the speedy delete template). It's a crap article, certainly worthy of speedy deletion, but putting a userpage warning up is a considerate thing to do, and shows new editors (even ones whose first and only contributions were disruptive) that Wikipedia is a place of process, not a members only club where editors in the know can manipulate articles arbitrarily and inscrutably. Hopefully these editors will one day find a role within that process. Maybe not, but it never hurts to assume (eventual) good faith. Ford MF 16:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The critical phrase is "please consider". I do consider. It is just that in the vast majority of cases I think "what is the point - this person is unlikely to become a useful Wiki contributor". See also my comment below. But Wikipedia is a club anyway. -- RHaworth 05:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, yes. But my point was that that is a tendency we ought to work to minimize, not embrace or shrug our shoulders at.  People who pollute the project with junk are irritating, it's true, but I do believe adhering to the guidelines of don't bite the newbies can yield positive results.  Ford MF 20:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

the man who is da man
the man who is da man 17:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC) hey man this is the guy who you deleted a couple of pages from. that wasn't cool at all!!!! so you listen to me take it easy   the man who is da man 17:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

My talk page
Your comment was noted. I maintain the right to have whatever conversations I want appear on my talk page. Please do not revert it again, as that would be vandalism. Justinm1978 17:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Iviewit Holdings Inc. etc.
Many thanks for looking at this. I'd just put something on WP:AN asking for help (I'm out of my depth with lawyers), and only then did I see you'd done some deleting. Is there a Wikipolicy I should read up on about how to deal with this sort of thing? I'd rather you replied here to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks again. Philip Trueman 16:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw Talk:Iviewit Holdings Inc. with the edit summary "Caveat Editor Philip Trueman: Conflict of Interest Disclosure Form". And the weird rambling content. The only person who has a conflict of interest is Pslamont! I see no explicit legal threats so you need not worry. I think the policy on the articles is perfectly clear. If you see any more just mark them: &#123;{db|repost - see [[User talk:Pslamont#Previous|here ]] }}.


 * In the unlikely event that you receive any specific threats, see No legal threats and contact us. -- RHaworth 17:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd put a on the article, posted the relevant warning to Pslamont's user talk page, and added the pages to my watchlist.  When he put up that 'Caveat' stuff I realised I was dealing with someone who did not think as other Wikipedians do, and I went looking for help.  Only now do I realise that this user has some history.  Thanks for your help and encouragement.  Philip Trueman 18:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I am pleased to see that some guy has taken an even firmer line and blocked Pslamont. But keep watching - he is the sort that comes back! -- RHaworth 18:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:DONTGIVEASHIT at WP:RFD
Just a note to you, since you were the one who deleted it, I recreated the redirect as it did not fit any of the CSD for redirects, but listed it at RfD, as there may be consensus to get rid of it. Love for you to come by and give your view on the WP:RfD page. - M  ask?  19:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:34-37web.jpg's recreation
Hello. I just saw the deletion log and saw that you had deleted Image:34-37web.jpg. As you can probably see, it has been recreated. I'm sorry if I have made a mistake, since this is the first time I take a look at the deletion logs. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie Talk •  Contribs  •  Spread   the love! 00:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC) I'm sorry. I didn't create the image. I just noticed that you had deleted it and it had been recreated. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie Talk •  Contribs  •  Spread   the love! 01:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * To demonstrate that you created the image, please upload it in a version at least four times larger. -- RHaworth 01:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

According to the logs, the article has been created several times by User:Salomee. Please warn the editor that he shouldn't recreate images that have been deleted once you delete the image. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie Talk •  Contribs  •  Spread   the love! 01:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Very sorry, I did not read your first message properly. There is nothing wrong with re-uploading an image. There were two uploads which were deleted because they had the db-noncom tag. It is now tagged PD-self, so on the face of it, there is nothing to tell the user about and certainly no grounds for deletion.
 * However, I am suspicious of the PD claim. If you wish to challenge the uploader to upload a larger version or otherwise prove they created the image, feel free to do so. -- RHaworth 03:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Fire at Theodor Mommsen house
You commented something about putting it up for AfD. I just did that. Feel free to check it out and comment if you're interested. Cheers, alphachimp  07:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Kinetic Energy Equation
Hehe, my surname is Haworth too.

Canterbury
I agreed (silently) with the decision to remove the full list of cast and crew for A Canterbury Tale. It wasn't needed here and it didn't add any useful information, most of them being unknowns (actually local people living around Canterbury). And it is all on the IMDb if anyone really needs it. I've put those character profiles of the main characters on the page for the film itself as you suggested. I may add a few others to it, but not many and only significant ones. Thanks -- SteveCrook 18:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Patton Oswalt debacle
Thanks for your help. Knowing's half the battle. Danielsan1701 12:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Surface Hippy Article
Hello

I am new to Wikipedia. I have done some reading and thought I understood the basics, but obviously, I do not. I understand writing an acceptable article is very complex.

I wrote an article called Surface Hippy because there are at least 60,000 Surface Hippies in the world - they are people with resurfaced hips. There are several websites called Surface Hippy and also Surface Hippy Discussion Groups. The FDA approved hip resurfacing in the US in May 2006 so there are now thousands of people looking into hip resurfacing. I understand that I should write an article about hip resurfacing, but I felt Surface Hippy is now an acceptable term used to describe people with resurfaced hips. There are also over 6000 surface hippies on the Yahoo Discussion Group called Surface Hippy.

So I was wondering why you thought my article describing a Surface Hippy should be deleted? I do understand you have a great deal of experience in writing articles for Wikipedia - but I would also like to learn so I won't be posting articles that would be deleted again.

I really appreciate your time if you can tell me more. Since the article has been deleted, I will post it below for you to read: [deleted]. Thank You for your time. -- Patricia Walter
 * The subject is dear to my wife's heart (and hip), so I am not ignoring you. Give me a little while to consider the best way. (Did you notice that in the brief time your article was up, it got scraped to Answers.com.) -- RHaworth 19:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank You for taking time to read my message. I think perhaps I should have talked more about what a surface hippy was rather than so much about hip resurfacing itself. Most Surface Hippies are very active in promoting hip resurfacing and feel they are able to begin life again without pain and restrictions.

Again - Thank You for your response.

Pat - A Proud Surface Hippy 3/15/06 LBHR De Smet

Super Mario Wiki
You need to pay more attention to the articles you delete. There was a hold-on template on the page you deleted. You should have at least listened to Ford MF up there. And what's even worse the talk page of the article got deleted. You need to at least tell me why you deleted it. Did you have a valid reason?--Confuseruser 02:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Can I take it that you have followed the advice and that you are a new manifestation of user:Wikipedian64? If so, you should say so at User:Confuseruser and here.
 * Re your message: "Why was this page deleted without a nomination for deletion or even without a reason?". Not true. In the first case the nomination and reason was "&#123;{db-web}}" at the top of the article. In the second case the message was "&#123;{delete|Spam - See discussion}}". And the discussion was:
 * This page is obviously a spam link to the original author's site, which is purely commercial. While there is nothing wrong with linking to a site or having a page about a relevent site, it appears the author is using Wikipedia to build and develop the site.  Using the name "Wikipedian64" as a user name is also misleading, and is supposed to be against the rules at Wikipedia. Perhaps linking to the blog on the Super Mario pages MIGHT be appropriate, but this page isn't. I see on this page he says the Wiki is not commercial, however this is patently FALSE.  It has Google ads. Pharmboy 15:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree with FordMF. In the vast majority of cases, when an article is deleted, the author goes away and never comes back. Leaving messages is a waste of time.
 * In this case the deletion log showed "&#123;{db-web}}" - I had nothing to add so I felt no need for a comment. You have come back; you have found me; we are discussing the matter now.
 * The version I deleted did have an hangon tag but it was a very short article with no assertion of notability and it had been in this state unchanged for 70 minutes.
 * Note that it was user:Irishguy who deleted your longer version. Again, I agree with the deletion: there were still no "third-party" references to show that the world has noticed it.
 * I can see no grounds for restoring the article but, if you can show that the site is notable, you may receive some sympathy at WP:DRV.
 * -- RHaworth 04:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so I need to find third party sources for it, right? I found a published reference here (see bottom of Mario page). Hey, I'm also sorry if I came on too strong earlier.Confuseruser 01:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I can see nothing in the link you give - a page number would help. I repeat, try DRV. -- RHaworth 02:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Bottom of page 22.Confuseruser 02:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You must have different access rights. All I see is "pages 22-113 are not part of this book preview"! Take it to DRV. -- RHaworth 02:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Transformers Optimus Prime image
You deleted the Optimus Prime image I uploaded and linked to last week. I am willing to re-upload it as long as I am assured it will not be deleted a second time. I am the owner and photographer of that image and I uploaded it with the Non-commercial use license... meaning that it would be ok to reside on Wikipedia as long as someone does not download it and use it in a commercial manner. Did I pick the wrong license? Please clarify.

Chaplin Society
Dear Sir,

You have deleted a page that I put up today called, 'The Chaplin Society' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplin_Society

I know that in November 2006, a member of the Committee was asked to place a reference to the society on the Peterhouse write up on wikipedia. I beleive this member decided to take an 'artistic licence'with the article which was correctly deleted.

I decided that I would give a correct article on the society to wikipedia. The Chaplin Society is one of many dining societies/ gentlemen's assocaitions that Peterhouse has. The Chaplin Society is proud to one of the oldest still in existence at the oldest Cambridge college.

We are an internal (in regards college membership only) society, much like the Cocoa Tree Club. We are not famous like the Oxford Bullingdon Club or the Cambridge Pitt Club, but we are a long existing society in the University of Cambridge and therefore, I see no reason why a correct description of the society should be deleted.

I hope you agree with me. I shall not replace the article until I have heard from you. Please email sg461@cam.ac.uk.

Kind Regards,

SG