User talk:RHaworth/Archive to 2008 January

Motorway Towns
What r u doin? Jus cos it aint on google nus dont meen no1 ses it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentmassive (talk • contribs)
 * Please use English on the English Wikipedia. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Abbas Hasan page
Dear RHaworth, I'm new to wikipedia so I apologise for all the questions. The reason mentioned for deleting the page on Pakistani pop singer Abbas Hasan was that it was not notable. Abbas Hasan is one of the top up and coming artists and I think it's important to feature him here. He is heavily covered by local press and is set to heavily influence the Lollywood music scene in 2008. Does this mean that if I provide more info and references of some coverage that the page can be restored? Many thanks for your help.

- Maria —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swimfan39 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but ...! Your contribution history obviously gives an hint of COI. And what on earth was that ridiculous disneyland link? If you are genuine: study the edit history of other Lollywood articles to identify a well established editor who is into the subject; submit your draft article to a user_talk page of that user and ask them to post the article. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Random Vaughn
Why did you delete the Post for Random Vaughn? It has already been deleted and I didn't even have a chance to contest it. If you could be so kind to explain why you flag it, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rforrandom (talk • contribs)
 * I did not flag it. Pruneau had tagged the article with db-bio and I agreed. Your user name suggests a COI. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Federal Spending and Taxation
Thanks for trying to help me out, I've never done this before. I appreciate you trying to be calm and try to make it a good article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crosbyk (talk • contribs) 08:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

MMAFA
Dear RHaworth, Im trying to figure out why you deleted the Mixed Martial Arts Fighters Association article i added yesterday. it is not an advertisement, nor a marketing gimmick. This is a non for profit org that was founded by ivy league graduates. the only mission is to improve fighter's lives. Please let me know why you felt the need to delete this, and what we can do about it. Neternia (talk) 20:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was partly a mistake – my new pages list showed me that you had created two articles one with correct capitalisation. So I deleted Mixed martial arts fighters association assuming that you would be working on the other article. For some reason you blanked that one as well. Re-create it if you wish but I suspect it would not survive AfD. To stand any chance of survival you must write it in the third person ("they" not "we"!) and provide independent references to show that it is notable. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 06:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

tekphoto
Hello RHaworth, The article Thomas Kruegeris being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. The references have been added to the page making it and the artist notable. This is simply a Biography of the artist. All of the references and External links verify this artist. Please help me resolve this. --Tekphoto (talk) 05:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Given the blatant COI implied by your user name, I am surprised you are trying so hard. To get the article to stick: allow the present article to be deleted, study the edit history of existing articles about living photographers to identify a Wikipedia editor interested in the subject, contact these editors one at a time asking them to create an article about you. Simple! -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 14:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Penrose
I see this village is in your to do list and its reffed in a DYK article .... any chance of a stub? Victuallers (talk) 10:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC) What was the DYK reference? -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Any knowledge I have would come from the web so you could do it just as easily as me. Note:
 * there are so many Penroses in Cornwall that the title should be Penrose, Padstow or Penrose, Porthleven, etc. with Penrose, Cornwall being made into a dab.
 * If you are talking about Penrose, Padstow at, mention should be made of the WW II airfield just northeast of the village. This airfield is different from RAF St Eval and RAF St. Mawgan. Its name was almost certainly not RAF Penrose because a Google search for that just comes up with the person.

West Runton War Memorial
I see you have placed a quick deletion tag on this page that I created. I disagree strongly with your comment that this war memorial is no more important than any other. If that were the case are the men on this memorial less important than any other article about other war memorials(i.e. The Liverpool Scottish memorial stone). I intend to list the men on this memorial who gave there lives and to give the article more content after further research. Being someone who has done research into my relatives who were killed in the Great War having an article on a memorial that they were listed would have been something I would have found really interesting and useful. More so than some of the drose that is appearing on Wikipedia. As you are fully aware article take time to improve and reach a point where they have become an interesting and useful encyclopedic source. Buy creating it before I have completely researched the memorial, I hoped that positive impute may come from other editors unfortunately it seems only to only have attracted your negative response. I have also found that at this time there seems to be no other source of information about the war dead of the communities of East and West Runton on the Web. I must also stress that I have not placed this article because of any of my family links, there are all in Devon, but feel that record of this and many other memorials across the country would be a useful addition to this encyclopedia. I ask that you remove this tag and let this article run.Stavros1 (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. What you have already put in the West Runton article is quite sufficient. If there is not already a specific website for UK war memorials and the names they bear, I suggest that you start one. That info. does not belong here. I am surprised to find someone with your experience of Wikipedia even thinking about putting the men's names up – WP:NOT is quite clear: WP is not for lists and WP is not for memorials [of non-notable people]. (It is a prod tag not a speedy tag, by the way.) – RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 02:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

List of memorials. Palmiped (talk) 20:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont see a problem with the article wikipedia contains many types of War memorial see also

Thank you
Thanks for the help in fixing the archive link on my user page. Userafw (talk) 09:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Rhode Island
I didn't see any redirects, thank you pointing out my mistake.--Swampyank (talk) 18:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the tags, and anti-spam tips. (I love entei (talk) 05:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC))

Good work
EDIT: I didn't notice the message you put on my talk page, but nonetheless, I suppose, equally deserving-- penubag  07:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

EDIT2: I didn't read his profile to notice he had a sock puppet, and I thought he was helping our articles with information, as his real intentions still may be. I guess I follow the Don't bit the newcommers too much. We should still encourage potential editors onto a good direction. -- penubag  07:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Removing RfD
Thank you for removing RfD. SantaClaus29 (talk) 01:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

John moore (contemporary pioneer)
I have removed the PROD tag. You may wish to comment on the article's talk page. Truthanado (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I was reading the article at the very moment you posted the above! But why bother with the talk page? Either I accept the article or I AfD it. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 15:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have had situations where the person adding the PROD didn't feel strongly enough to go through AfD. You do, and that's why we do this. Let the AfD discussion begin. Note: I also have some reservations about this person's notability and, as you did, noticed that some of the external links (references?) do not specifically mention him by name. I have seen other weak-starting articles turn into good articles though. It might be interesting to see what the community thinks and to see if the article can be improved before it is deleted. Truthanado (talk) 15:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Page widening
Sorry I didn't discuss this with you before listing for deletion. I didn't realise until I was looking at the page log after tagging for deletion that you had restored this page. Still I think we can discuss it on AFD now, no harm done. I've outlined my concerns in the deletion proposal


 * Articles for deletion/Page widening. --Tony Sidaway 15:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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Syed British relationship
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Examples of bias in Wikipedia
Is the fact that it is a copy and paste from http://www.conservapedia.com/Examples_of_Bias_in_Wikipedia reason enough for a speedy? I added that to the speedy tag anyway. -- Roleplayer (talk) 21:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

FlightMemory
Hi, I'm the creator of the Flight Memory article, which you tagged for deletion as spam. I'm curious as to the spam comment because I have no association with the site other than being a user. I've added several more citations but since you didn't leave any reason that I could find as why you nominated it for deletion, I'm not sure what you're looking for. Thanks! Travellingcari (talk) 03:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Prod2
I made a comment at the section you pointed me to. Honestly, I don't care enough about the issue to do any more than that. Only a few people make the mistake a week, and it's easy to fix (they get listed at WP:PRODSUM), so...there's not really an issue in the first place. Sorry if this sounds dismissive, but it's no big deal. --Closedmouth (talk) 06:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

100% Basingstoke
I've declined the speedy tag you placed on 100% Basingstoke. The reason is:
 * about the album, not the bands, so it's not subject to CSD A7

For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Fiona Sampson
I have recreated this article, which you deleted while I was in the process of adding information to it. While uninvolved in the article's creation, I saw the speedy tag on it and set to work to make the article, on one of the foremost British poets of the modern era, into something sensible. May I ask why it was deleted, presumably without the precaution of a simple Google search to see if anything came up?

The article remains tagged for deletion; you may feel it is now appropriate to remove the tag. Many thanks. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 13:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Content was "Fiona Sampson (b.1963) is an award-winning British poet". Ie. too stubby to be worth keeping. "Award-winning" is usually an admission of non-notability! Best thing was to rub it out and start again. Why should I have to Google – it is for the author to provide refs. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 15:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Transwiki
Please be careful to select the proper sister project when tagging articles for transwiki. Wikibooks is for textbooks; we don't have any use for the source text of some law – that might go to Wikisource. Thanks! – Mike . lifeguard  &#124; @en.wb 15:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Equally, be careful to specify which article you are talking about! But seriously: oops, sorry, I do know the difference. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 15:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Moved threads
I moved your two threads that had been posted to Bureaucrats' noticeboard over to Village pump (technical), as that's a better location for technically-minded questions to be posted to (and you're more likely to generate worthwhile discussion there). Generally speaking, the 'crat noticeboard is only for things that pertain to bureaucrats (such as new RfA proposals or discussions about changes to the MediaWiki system pages that involve user promotion). EVula // talk // ☯  // 20:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for the save re WPSI/Assessment/Archive 1. Ben MacDuiTalk / Walk  20:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Marman Twin
Thanks for deleting that db-spam tag. I posted the hangon or the original editor, but was reluctant to remove the tag without discussion. Cheers! Bagheera (talk) 02:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Parts of a tree
User:Kushan I.A.K.J has reverted the redirection of Parts of a tree which both you and I had redirected, and has insisted he can justify a separate article. I've placed a merge proposal forward. Considering that you originally redirected, you may be interested in providing comments, and your perspective at Talk:Tree. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 13:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw a comment recently that AfD is not for merge discussions so your approach is correct. I have been bolder, re-instated the redirect and protected it. I am also unhappy about the licence tag on File:Thepartsofatree.jpg. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 14:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was less bold as I figured it would lead to revert warring and so a some form of discussion with seasoned editors might have helped convince the original author that improving the morphology section would be the way to go. And on the image, the original image is from "The New Tree Experts Manual" which was published in 1954 . Assuming no renewal of the copyright, I believe that the original image may have passed into the public domain (not 100% sure, and I'm not a lawyer, etc.).  However, the image is a likely a derivative work as it has been taken and modified with attibution by the State of Pennsylvania.  And my understanding of US copyright laws is that only Federal works are in the public doamin, and State works remain copyrighted.  So it appears very problematic that the author has tagged the image with a GFDL license.  I'll tag it as a copyvio for for review by editors more experienced with handling copyright issues. -- Whpq (talk) 14:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello
The reason I do not put it on the talk page, is I work slowly finding Quality Information is hard especialy if it is Unbiased and if I were to write it on the talk page it would be uncomplete and short the article on agnostic theism is moderate sized, I would write an article like that in my spare time in a month, If I were to put it on the talk page the proposal would be shot down (it being Small) However my hat is off to you for many people do not try to improve wikipedia which includes geting rid of presumed useless articles Seriously. Just for fun you might find it interesting that I am a 17 year old right now at school who should not realy be on wikipedia right now, I live in Apex NC USA, A long way from where you are now in the UK, Nice to meet your Aquantance.

WP:SALT
I seen that you deleted the salt off on of my deleted pages. Consensus is always changing about how these pages should be salted. How is the correct way to WP:SALT something? Thanks -- w L &lt;speak·check&gt; 01:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Click the "protect" tab! The change is that a title with no article can now be protected. The page in question is still protected – see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=How+I+Can+Create+Positive+Change this log]. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

OS grid key Ireland.gif
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Voting...
Ok fine, enough proof I guess, I and some of the others(all expect that Dr.Rema or something) person do go there, but I have no idea abot Kushan though, I don't think he goes there, but if I remember correctly he was a teacher there for sometime and anyway now I think he's about to leave the country, not too sure on that. But what the big deal about me voting?!?.......--Emperor13 (talk) 05:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC) ...And I dont know about that forum though, I dont think thats him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperor13 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

List of today's main country leaders
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Kiwi Jadens
I created a first experiment of a leaderboard for my fictional race based from Metropolis Forums and it was then Deleted due to its lack of corresponding size, I called that one Kiwi Jays Amazing Race as it was deleted I made another calling it Kiwi Jadens The Amazing Race, I spent 3 and a half hours creating that great website and it was deleted?? The deletion description said it was a repost of the other site well it wasnt what do you think I should do can you give it back to me because that is a real race basing off Metropolis Reality Forums called Kiwi Jadens The Amazing Race one of the racing teams told me to create a website so I did and now it is gone all the hard work is gone and I dont feel to good about it PLEASE Can you get it back for me

Yours Faithfully, "Kiwi Jay" Jaden McLeod —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwi Jaden (talk • contribs) 19:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "3 and a half hours creating that great website" – I assume you mean creating one Wikipedia page . Sorry but you were wasting your time. "Lack of corresponding size" – total nonsense: the previous version Kiwi Jays The Amazing Race was deleted as "vandalism". That was a bit cruel but it was still speedily deletable: it was a pure vanity page. It had no context – I had absolutely no idea what it was about. Its notability was negligible. You can try and re-insert it, but I think this is a clear case of WP:SNOW. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Vehicle recovery
Thanks for your help

I think I have covered most of the things requested I will start to tidy up the grammar tomorrow morning. Goodnight! Andy Lambert (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

ecogovernmentality
Hi Haworth. See my edits on ecogovernmentality The term, also spelled "eco-governmentality", refers to work that has been used in Human geography since the late 1990s. Although at one point it certainly was a neologism, it is now an accepted term with a relatively large body of literature behind it. See Google scholar "eco-governmentality" for a glimpse, as well as the references cited below for more detail. The Association of American Geographers recognizes several of them a notable academics. Let me know if you have any other concerns. I will be updating the reference to include links over the next few days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aylett (talk • contribs) 19:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but to me it reads like a load of empty socio-babble. I think at most, the term deserves a brief mention in the governmentality article. Please read this moan – was it too difficult for you to provide the link for me? 58 hits, in my view, confirms its non-notability. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 01:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Bollywood
There you go, I used a move on the Bollywood page instead of cut/paste – sorry for not doing that the first time. I moved it to Hindi film industry, so now film and industry are no longer capitalized. It doesn't mean anything that Bollywood is more commonly used because if you check whatlinkshere/Hollywood you'll see that it is very common as well but is simply a redirect to Cinema of the United States. Bollywood should be a redirect as well. All the other pages that link to Bollywood will not be affected because the link will take them to Hindi film industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by nsrav (talk • contribs)
 * Now you have to convince KNM as well as me about the move. Why not accept that Bollywood is the better title? -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 01:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Density
Re: Density (universe) Well, I was being charitable (for a moment :O)) and I had a vague feeling I had heard this before in a newsgroup far, far away. Was just checking. FlowerpotmaN ·(t) 00:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * See talk:Density (universe) – it is almost enough to make the article speediable. I was amused to see that among my thousands of deleted edits was a rather tentative application of context to the Cassiopaeans article. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 00:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, although I wouldn't dismiss the value of Usenet for reliability. After all, I, for one, will always bitterly regret pooh-poohing the warnings of the Great Pole Shift of '03. If only we had listened! FlowerpotmaN ·(t) 21:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Voter designed software
Sir, I had no intention of offending anyone by discussing the details of behind privacy in voting, and I certainly would not like to become known to be a vandal of other peoples work. I suppose your criticism was earned, but I started the new page so that I would not interfere with other peoples work, and because of your complaint. I hope you will be considerate enough not to limit freedom of expression in other peoples work (whether you agree with it or not). I don't feel that Voter Designed Software is a ridiculous title, and I am insulted by your comment. However, I do agree that I do need to clean up the idea considerably. Moving the article to User:Garyrust/sandbox (RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 21:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC))for a while, is likely to be the best way to revise the subject, and remove personal opinions. What I had hoped to make clear is the need for a community solution to the electoral process which would reduce oligarchic imperialism. I see nothing wrong with personal opinion if it serves that purpose. Postulations about things which have occurred, and making rules about the agreements which ensue is not purely rooted in passion. Voting is an area where the common good has become a doctrine of depersonalization. The binary theories of DeMorgan about logic suggests that the combination of sequences can usually be simplified, and Zeno's paradox suggests that a result can not occur at the same time as the description of an infinite series --- so, therefore it is a combination. These are not opinions. They are observations. Human beings produce software for their own purpose. Voter software might be influenced by sequential conflict of interest in it's design, if the method to the result is not visible and open to be viewed. Inductance is only one analytical tool of any normal person. There are as many as there are people.
 * Please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. Put it on one of your own websites. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 14:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok I read it. I think this is really rotten. --- No more here.

tkguy/sanbox
Thanks for moving the page to my sandbox. can't I create new articles under my namespace? Tkguy (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes of course. But Tkguy/Asian fetish is in the (Main) namespace. Your namespace is anything that starts with "user:Tkguy/". -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 07:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I am a noob. thanks for the advice I will delete it myself if it has been already. Tkguy (talk) 08:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Burnham Overy Tower Windmill
Look I am not knocking the National trust with any kind of malice and it is not a personal opinion which you seem to be prone to. I’m just stating facts. Have a look for yourself in the stated published books I have mentioned. -- Stavros1 (talk) 18:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC) I am glad to see that you have done your research into this mill and I’m afraid I cant help you in to the reasons why the Trust seem to totally ignore this fine windmill, other than to place a notice on the gate stating that they own it. I have not even been able to find any information about hiring the windmill for a holiday and I only live a few miles along the coast from the windmill. Stavros1 (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Where pray, have I expressed any personal opinion in Wikipedia article space? As an aside, have you any explanation of why this mill is not listed at National Trust Cottages? The water mill just along the road is divided into two cottages which are listed. (I hasten to say that I am not doubting your word in the slightest, I am just genuinely puzzled.) -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a phone number for hiring the mill on this page. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Cooliris
I noticed that early last year you proposed a speedy delete for Cooliris, which was, I feel, rather erroneously denied. I thought you might like to know that the article is currently in an active AfD. Eric4200 (talk) 11:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

How Television Works
You've effectively deleted the article I started, How Television Works, by redirecting it to Technology of television – twice in fact. Why, exactly? There's quite a bit of stuff in it which isn't covered elsewhere in Wikipedia.--IanHarvey (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It was what we call a fork. If there is stuff not covered, why cannot you add it to technology of television? -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 08:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You meant content fork, I assume. I think strangling the entire article at birth is a little harsh; it's impossible for others to edit or discuss the content if they can't find it. I've reinstated it, with a merge-multiple tag and a discussion starter on Talk:Technology of television. Can you let others read it and have a say before deleting it again, please? IanHarvey (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion summaries
Please be more explicit in your deletion summaries. Hi, there.

You recently admin'd the deletion of Center Tagumpay ng Katotohanan and in your deletion summary you said "nn-bio / blatant advert". While I do not in any way object to the deletion decision/finding, I am nonetheless frustrated by the trend to be so cryptic about admins' reasons for deletion, as many newbies (and myself at one point) cannot for the life of them understand what they mean. As a user that has been on Wikipedia for a handful of years now who is much more adapted, I still cannot figure out what you mean by "nn-bio". The "blatant advert" part I get (even though I haven't seen the article). If from now on you can just type a few more characters to explain the deletion grounds, it would be most helpful to the project. Thanks! (I am not trying to explain to the article-creater why his article was deleted) Rfwoolf (talk) 09:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC) Regardless of how often it is used, many people will not know what it means. Can you perhaps link to the template next time? That would solve the problem Rfwoolf (talk) 09:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I cannot imagine where you have been for your "handful of years" but nn-bio is a template which is used dozens of times daily . Spend a few minutes watching new pages and you will see what I mean. And there are several other [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=nn-&namespace=10 nn-] templates. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 09:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

My signature
I am sorry about my signature. It was a mistake on my part. I changed two different things at once, and only tested one of them. But now I am having a problem.

 &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!! 

Makes this:  &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!! 

Do you have any idea on how to fix it?  &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!!  19:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I do not know what happened, but it is fixed now. It wasn't really working correctly on my Talk Page when I was testing it (as in the Talk!! part wasn't linking at all). Anywho thanks for your help fellow Haworth!  &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!!  19:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not notice that you had such a distiguished surname! Do please explain what "&lt;3" means. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

<3 means Love. It is kind of shaped like a heart. And I think I came to you before about the Surname, but you musta missed it :D.  &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!!  19:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that enlightenment on &lt;3. And yes you did, sorry I had forgotten. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Request For Assistance
I am not very sure on what I am supposed to do on a situation like this. I did an WP:RFC but it was removed by someone because it was deemed not needed. Anywho I still think we need some help.

On Talk:Super Smash Bros. (series) there is a debate going on about whether to add "Leaked" Icons that were shown in a video. It is constantly being added and reverted and such like that. I was wanting to know if I can get your opinion on it.

And I tried to make that as neutral as possible without giving my opinions on it. If you have the time and/or want to, your help would be appreciated :D. And I chose you because from what I can tell, you have never edited that article. Thanks.  &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!!  19:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please do no ignore "edit conflict" messages. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARHaworth&diff=185941306&oldid=185941299 Your edit] deleted someone elses contrib. (It was a totally unimportant contrib, but that is not the point!)
 * It is difficult to express how underwhelming is my interest in Super Smash Bros. Clearly a rumour without a good source can be deleted, end of story. I cannot see a reason for [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:RFCmedia_list&diff=next&oldid=185929427 this edit]. Ask the bot's owner. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Request from NewGenLib
Dear, Please remove prod from the NewGenLib, if it covers the wiki criteria.--Librarianpmolib (talk) 12:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you seriously think that it meets the criteria? Where are the "multiple non-trivial published works"? -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 14:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Braunston Cleves
Hello again RHaworth

Please change this page back to its original designation. I have done my research on this matter and there is no definitive correct name. On the OS map the name of the site is Fawcliff (see the Map on) but that two has the other name on it. Local records show the settlements by both names.Stavros1 (talk) 20:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Dont worry, I have redirected the page myselfStavros1 (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this policy statement is clear enough: we put the article on one of the names and use redirects for the others. However, since moving articles about seems a pointless exercise (providing the redirects exist), I will let you have your way. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 00:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have noted your comments and agree that in the case, for example, a welsh place name, (i.e. WREXHAM or Welsh GWRECSAM) where the name may be in the native designation and also have a British/English name then what you point out is appropriate but I think this example should be used as an exception to the rule as the name has never been agreed, and the two names are different and not a translation or native name. Thank you for your impute and interest in this page.Stavros1 (talk) 14:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Don't just sigh
Per the deletion policy, "Pages that can be improved should be edited or tagged, not nominated for deletion." In theory, if you believe the article has potential for improvement, then it should not have been put on AfD. Sarsaparilla (talk) 00:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Dependencies
Re List of current heads of government of dependencies. Very bad title. Some of these territories have governors who are not heads of government...

Fabant (talk) 10:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Georgepal
could you let me know how i can improve the article so it can stay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgepal (talk • contribs) 14:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Which article? -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Christian Books
I was in discussion with the person who put the speedy deletion of the article "Christian books" before you deleted it. I ask that you be more careful next time and refrain from deleting an article for speedy deletion which was in discussion in both my, and his talk page. Vividenblem (talk) 02:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And how was I expected to know that it was under discussion? -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 02:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a reminder...
...to always be civil when you are talking with newcomers, even if they don't understand how to use the specific pages. Ohh, and I almost forgot: I brought a plate of hot chocolate chip cookies I made. Happy Editing! -- omtay 38  01:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC) I disagree. There is never a reason to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lownen&diff=187312297&oldid=187302728 bite] anybody for inadvertent mistakes. Everybody was a new editor once. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:RHaworth&diff=prev&oldid=9146119 Don't] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trunk_vs_Toll&diff=prev&oldid=9039792 you] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Telephone_number&diff=prev&oldid=9344243 remember?] -- omtay 38  20:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Given Lordarchitect's edits, I think I was perfectly civil and extremely restrained in my comments. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 08:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I just do not understand you! My intention with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lownen&diff=187312297&oldid=187302728 that edit] was far, far from biting. It was actually very sympathetic: "oh dear, all your good work may have been in vain because we already have ...". It is just that I do not pad my comments with feelings, I stick to content. I think the comment below at shows that Lownen took it in the spirit it was intended. In this instance, biting would have been to go round and instantly convert all Lownen's forks into redirects! -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize. I sincerely misunderstood (and really shouldn't have posted the above). You have been very helpful to this new user. My deepest apologies. -- omtay 38  22:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:East Coast Main Line
A tag has been placed on Template:East Coast Main Line requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes.

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Namespace Violation
I apologize for the namespace violation.

There is no list of Wiki flag icons and the tags to use them, so I am building one. It is now at User:Lownen/Flag Icons. Please tell me if you think this would be of use to others.

Best! L —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lownen (talk • contribs) 19:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. I am sure that lists already exist – hunt for them by working back from "whatlinkshere" of specific icons. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It only took me a few clicks to find: commons:Category:SVG flags! -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input
I find all the standards and tutorial pages rather convoluted... no offense intended. I'm doing my best, and appreciate any assistance and guidance anyone can offer. You have been the most responsive individual I've encountered here yet.

Thanks -Lownen (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again!
I was re-naming my pages and noticed that you had gotten to many of them before I could. Much appreciated. I hope you like the new list organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lownen (talk • contribs) 20:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You are great!
Thank you very much. I named the train pages A instead of A-B and the like to allow them to be broken up more easily if required later, but I see how its worth the potential extra work later to have it look the way you've done it. Lownen (talk) 16:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

WS Homes and WS Property Group
Hi, my two entries were just deleted but I'm not exactly sure why. Please explain? Thank you. Jenniethede (talk) 06:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You have a section headed "commercial properties for lease …" and you expect us to accept the article! They looked like pure advertising for a non-notable company – see db-inc and db-spam. The trick to get them re-instated is to find a Wikipedian with hundreds of edit to their name to re-create the articles. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 06:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I am new at this and would appreciate any advice you have so that I can correct my entries. It was not my intention to write "spam." I found many examples of articles in Wikipedia's Category:Real estate and property developers that seem similar to the ones I wrote in structure and tone. Is there one you can suggest from this category that would serve as an ideal model? I am interested in publishing these myself instead of finding someone else to do so who already has written hundreds of articles. I will remove the words "properties for lease" from my description, as I'm trying to avoid all advertisement-related language. Thank you. I really appreciate any advice you can offer so that I can improve my writing on Wikipedia. -- Jenniethede (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Finding a proxy to post it is my best advice. And clearly I am not that proxy: I think the companies are non-notable. Do you not see that using an established editor is a good indication that there is no COI? If you cannot find an established editor willing, then give up. Work through the category you mention and see who has edited each article. Will you please state what your connection is with these companies. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 09:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Haworth: Thanks for all your encouragement! Jenniethede (talk) 17:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

re:Archant
General practice at WP:UAA is to block promotion-only accounts, with ip block off and account creation allowed. That's what I was following at the time, particularly as the user had a promotional article on his userpage. Would explain my decision more, but the fire alarm has just gone off.... :( SGGH speak! 11:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to explain more. I know the policy – I just disagree with it. In fact I consider any user name blocking pretty pointless – it only puts off the timid ones – the determined ones create sock puppets. Title blocking on the other hand, I am strongly in favour of. But in this case, having had my hands on more than one copy, I would actually count "Lancashire Life" as notable. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 11:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for you review and deletion of my attempts at an article. No reply needed --69.76.173.191 (talk) 08:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

klever kloggs
Hi, I'm new to wikipedia, can you advise what I should have done differently to include the above entry, cheers Gary —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary black (talk • contribs) 18:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Hi, why do you assume there is a 'COI' and why did you underline 'Wait' and 'for you'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary black (talk • contribs) 18:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait until someone with no COI writes it up for you . In my book, that means a person with several weeks contribution history and dozens of edits. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I underlined to stress the important aspects. OK, strictly, yours is just an SPA. But SPA and COI almost always go together. But, go ahead: prove me wrong. Build up an history of useful edits to all sorts of different articles. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, believe me I'm not interested in 'proving you wrong', I was just interested in getting involved and was seeking a little help and advice from you so I didn't waste time writing more articles that don't comply? Unfortunately you seem to have quite an agressive attitude, which I should perhaps have expected having seen the slightly unusual picture you have added for yourself. I think wikipedia is a great tool and use it all the time but I think I will give up on contributing if the people behind it are quite so discouraging, Thanks anyway (I think?)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary black (talk • contribs) 18:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Help Please
Hello RHaworth

I could do with the benefit of your experience with this one. While was busy including all the civil parishes of North Norfolk with the Template:Civil Parishes of North Norfolk. I came across a page which is a bit of a mish-mash and I wondered what your thoughts would be on what to do with it. It defiantly needs some attention. The page is Horsey and has multiple entries for different settlements called Horsey. Stavros1 (talk) 20:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So, create Horsey, Norfolk. Seems quite simple. The Horsey article could now do with a bit of tidying and I have not had time to check the incoming links. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Veraguinne User page
Hello RHaworth. The content of my user page appears to have been deleted.

I am trying to make 2 substantial additions to the section on Youth Offending Teams with new pages as follows 1. A Manual of good practice 2. A list of Acronyms used in the youth justice industry.

So far my ineptitude in wiki-ing has resulted in the discussions you are wishful of deleting. Please don't delete it yet. I'll get it right soon. SJB (talk) 11:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "appears to have been"? The edit history is quite explicit that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AVeraguinne&diff=188346592&oldid=187046488 I deleted a block of text]. User pages are for you to tell other Wikipedians about yourself. If you wish to create draft articles, use something like User:Veraguinne/sandbox.
 * But in the case of the text I deleted, I assumed that it was a copy and paste of an existing document and was therefore a copyvio. On the superficial level it would never work as a wikipedia document: section numbers are generated, not typed; we do not centre headings and we absolutely do not SHOUT. On the content level, assuming that they are actually your own work, the two titles you propose are both inappropriate here. The manual is out because Wikipedia is not an how-to guide. Try posting it to Wikibooks. The list of acronyms may well also be accepted at Wikibooks, or failing that, try Wiktionary. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 13:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that you have already tried to create Youth Offending Team/Referral Orders Manual. I can confirm that it is quite inappropriate for Wikipedia. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 13:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The jargon buster page is inappropriate for a slightly different reason. It is what I call a "prima-donna-ish essay". You have created your own article without checking if the terms already exist in Wikipedia, possibly better defined – anger management is a good example. We do not need a separate list. Just go through your terms and see if the existing description here is OK and if not, improve it. There is absolutely no need for a separate article. And in any case, we use dry, encyclopedic titles: we do not have "jargon buster" titles. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 14:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

1.Apologies, I had not seen the deletion history. 2. I started the user page about the Project – expansion of the knowledge-base on Referral orders – instead of about myself, wanting to show the totality. The format was a straight copy of the Word original. 3. I'm afraid I don't understand your reference to SHOUTING. 4. I have the full permission of the articles' author, who is uncomfortable with on-line technology, but wishes to encourage input from others. Publication on the Youth Justice Board's Directory of Emerging practice has been inexplicably delayed. 5. I explained in detail my attempted expansion of the Youth Offending Team page to Deb here if you care to look, User talk:Deb, .(She still won't buy it...Sigh) The Manual and jargon Buster are not a 'How to', but an experience-based application of Community Justice measures newly introduced by statute in the 21st century. We are therefore presented with an evolving system. Both articles are the logical extension of the Youth Offending Team Page, and are fully inter-linked with each other since approx 50% of YOTs workloads relates to Referral Orders received from Courts – which is likely to increase with the new Criminal Justice Bill. 6. Whilst Anger-Management may occur in other contexts, it's application in YOTs is unique in the context of Referral Orders ie the systematic attempt to change a child's behaviour in order to prevent repeat re-offending – hence it's inclusion. The 'prima-donna' tag arises not from posturing, but from a newly introduced system of Community Justice.

If I post the articles to Wikibooks or Wikitionary, could they be cross-referred to Referral orders in Wikipedia?

Embarrassement
You also wrote: 'There are a couple of roundabouts that I pass regularly which have signs on them saying "Maintained by the Kingston Youth Offending Team". Now if I was a youth offender and I was working on that roundabout, I would be very embarrassed to have it announced in that way. Have you had other complaints to that effect? (OK, I know that most youth offenders are usually pretty unashamed but that is not the point.)'

Hmmm...the purpose of the sign is to show you that through the auspices of the YOT – with the help of Joe & Jane Public (me)- the young person's negative behaviour is being turned to good account. An element of Shaming is involved ( not humiliation) but is based on the fact that the yp pleaded guilty and so Accepts Responsibility AND is prepared to make amends to the Kingston Community. It isn't rocket science, but these are young adults whose whole purpose in life is to test the boundaries you and I have drawn. Better than than shoving them into jail. IMO -- SJB (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The word SHOUT is a link. Did you follow the link? On reflection, the best place for your manual is probably Wikia. Wikibooks is for manuals of general interest. Wiki is for special interest groups which yours is. You do have to ask for permission to start a wiki on Wikia but you should not have any difficulty getting acceptance. And of course you can and should create links from your manual back to Wikipedia.
 * As to the Glossary (a much more professional sounding name!) that will reduce in the most part to a set of Wikilinks! I took your submission and edited it in User:Veraguinne/sandbox. In my version there are eight titles which I felt would be completely covered in Wikipedia articles and two that I felt needed YOT-specific treatment. You may feel that a few more need some YOT-specific comment. And as for Ashfield Young Offender’s Institution, please create the Wikipedia article for us – that definitely should not be hidden away on Wikia! The 'prima-donna' tag in my mind had abolutely nothing to do with any change in the Community Justice system! It was my reaction to the shameless introduction of so many forks (that is another link for you to follow!) of existing Wikipedia articles.
 * Roundabout sign. I am very surprised that "shaming" still exists as a concept in the punishment system. I question your statement that YOTs are restricted to yps who have pleaded guilty – I do not see that in the YOT article.
 * I hope you do get your manual on the web somewhere – and somewhere where you are welcomed rather than being harassed! -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 08:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

This much more positive, thanks. Responding in no particular order 1.Thanks for pointing out the omission of a guilty plea in the main article (now amended). It is the criterion for receiving a Referral order, as opposed to another sentence. The notion of Shaming is a throw-back to the punitive ethos beloved by police and JPs,(cf 'making an example' of Joseph Scholes) which the RO system is intended to replace. Shaming is proving extremely difficult to dislodge from law enforcers & JPs' mindsets, especially in the face of media hype about teenagers. It is of course the foundation stone of the supposed 'deterrence effect' of punitive sanctions, but entirely inappropriate in the context of children in the criminal justice system. http://www.restorativejustice.org/editions/2008/feb08/saruling 2. Ignorance is no excuse; I did not register a link from the colour and upper case of your original SHOUT. 3. You requested an article about Ashfield – it is only one of a number of YOI's and other places of incarceration for under 18's. And yes I need to anonymise the original more carefully (!). An article about Ashfield would also have to address the other penal institutions and the why's & wherefores of the different types of penal establishment for children, which are not in any case available to the general public. This is my problem in a nutshell – the whole field of Youth Justice is a discrete and specialist area, in and of itself, largely shrouded in secrecy. Many people and organisations are trying to change this status quo – mine included. My colleague's articles are an important step in the demystification of the criminal justice process as it affects children. Hence my rather desperate attempts to save it from being consigned to Oblivion. I shall of course approach wikia, but in the light of the above circumstances, would it be possible for me to beg to make a special case for inclusion of the Manual as I originally intended ie as an appendage to the YOT page? 4. Thank you for the comments about the Glossary and the Sandbox example. Do you mean that I should simply list the terms elsewhere referenced, without discussion of the YOT context and usage in the Manual ? ie Apology The term “apology” is derived from the Greek “apologia”(απολογία) which is the defence of an act or idea. The meaning most relevant to Youth Justice is an expression of contrition or remorse, out of which emotions the expression of apology will arise. The concept of apology is central to the culture of restorative justice – without such an acknowledgement of wrong doing it is difficult for a victim to forgive.

Thank you for persevering with me. SJB (talk) 11:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * All fine except "an article about Ashfield would also have to address …". You don't seem to have got the Wikipedia idea at all. See Her Majesty's Young Offender Institution and follow the links for YOIs already written up. You do not hang a discussion on "the why's & wherefores of the different types of penal establishment for children" on one individual institution. In fact looking at it, it seems as though we do not actually have an article on the why's and wherefores. So that would be scope for a separate new article.
 * Re special case in 3. above. I see no grounds for a special case. Just go for putting your manual on the web, but not on Wikipedia. Again, why endure our hassle when you can publish in peace elsewhere? OK if you don't like the shared ownership of Wikia, go to EditThis and create a wiki instantly.
 * Do put your question to Deb for assurance that it is not just me. Indeed, you might even arrange to pop over one of the bridges and meet Deb. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 16:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

"Bite"
It seems that Mr. Haworth is not following Wikipedia rules himself. He seems to enjoy deleting contributions without consideration or explanation and likes to "bite" newcomers with his sarcastic remarks as it makes it seem like he has nothing better to do in Croydon. No offense to Croydon, it's a lovely suburb. My husband is from there but he is no where as snarky. Mr. Haworth would be doing a newcomer a better service if he help them instead of helping himself with self-important comments. As a newbie, I would appreciate friendly instruction rather than an insult. Thank you. Respectfully, (Dwltd 20:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC))

Silence
Sorry, I didn't even realise that deletion nomination was there. I've been out nearly all day. You can sometimes see Somerset from the Vale of Glamorgan, on the other side of the Bristol Channel. Deb (talk) 20:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Where is my article?
RHaworth, I just recovered from a flu and wanted to edit my article as you suggested,but now I can't even find it now! I don't know who is responsible. I can't even log-in! Any info would be appreciated, lordarchitect —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordarchitect (talk • contribs) 22:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Which article are you talking about? None of your edits on Wikipedia have been deleted. You can log in to Wikipedia – you left this message didn't you? I am very worried that EditThis seems to be down because I have stuff of my own there. Let us hope it is only temporary. When it comes back you will be able to edit your bagoong article without any need to log in. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Rupert Kathner – early deletion
You deleted the Rupert Kathner page before we had a chance to expand on it. Maybe in future you should give pages 24 hours before you remove them. -- SME (talk) 06:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You will never stop people deleting "empty" articles. You should develop an article in User:SME/sandbox (or similar title) until it reaches a viable size. Even now the article is perilously short. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)