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Deletion review/Log/2009 October 8
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at. Thank you. Zakkerone (talk) 05:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC) (Using )

Wedsite
You deleted a an entry for "Wedsite" on August 11 of this year. Can I have the content for this page? I want to make an entry for Wedsite on wikipedia; it is a term that is rapidly gaining use and, like "blog," deserves an explanation here. I have several sources. -- Mjvr23 (talk) 01:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)Mjvr23
 * How the [expletive deleted] do you expect me to let you have the content if you have not set up an e-mail address? Have you seen personal wedding website which is probably all we need on the topic? &mdash; RHaworth 01:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Please, I am new at this, and my e-mail had not yet been confirmed. I believe it has been now. I had not seen personal wedding website, so that does take care of much of the info. But I would still like to see the deleted content of the other page. Thanks. If the e-mail doesn't work, please be patient. I will give you a protected e-mail link here. Thanks.

Mjvr23 (talk) 02:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)Mjvr23

Your geo converter
Note to self -  action . &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 11:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Luther spells
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FYI
Just an FYI since you were involved before: -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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Halts
Sorry to have forced you to start your weekend with a moan, and thanks for adding the redirect.

Rsloch (talk) 20:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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Agenor Muñiz and Agenor Muniz
Hi I noticed that Agenor Muniz is now a redirect to Agenor Muñiz. Would you be able to restore the content of Agenor Muniz in some form, perhaps as Agenor Muniz (Australian footballer) if appropriate? Thanks The Hack 02:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Very sorry about merging two different people. I don't think any admin action is required. You have recovered the text about the Australian and created a new article. I would suggest: move Agenor Muñiz to Agenor Muñiz (Uruguayan footballer) and convert Agenor Muñiz into a disambig page. &mdash; RHaworth 04:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC

Bupropion
Thank you for your message. I am not sure I understand how to fix your comment. Could you explain. Apologize for being a newbie. I am trying to understand. Thank you for your patience. Beach4444 (talk) 03:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC) Thanks for cleaning up references. Was trying to figure out how you did it in "edit this page", but doesn't show up yet.. I did add "categories"" to the bottom of article. Will try to clean up external links. Thanks. Beach4444 (talk) 04:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I added to the html site "http://sites.google.com/site/narimanbmehta/"... It now shows the link "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike Licence" in the article.. Beach4444 (talk) 04:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But you dropped "Text is available under the" - why? But don't worry - it is not important! &mdash; RHaworth 21:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppets of User:Kkandler
You recently blocked as a new sockpuppet of, based on the obvious behavioural evidence. Based on the same behavioural evidence, I think it is obvious that is another sockpuppet. If you agree and block, I think most of that user's edits need to be cleaned up as well (which I can help with, since it looks like just content removal, not article deletion). Thanks! Singularity42 (talk) 20:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If there was any doubt about sockpuppetry, this clumsy edit would confirm it! However re these edits to pilot licensing and certification: obviously the spammy link/s must be deleted (I will let you) but the text itself seems perfectly acceptable. Kyle does seem to have worked out that he can write about the license but not about the course his company offers. So I am reluctant to block him. But I shall warn. &mdash; RHaworth 20:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Singularity42 (talk) 21:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

notable scholars
Re: deleting a list of "notable scholars" and their bios in the International Political Economy entry. 20:19, 8 September 2009 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted "David E. Spiro" ‎ (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)

Jeff Hart, who is head of the International Political Economy section of the International Studies Association contacted selected scholars and asked them to add their names to the entry "International Political Economy" on wikipedia. I added my name at his request, and wrote a brief professional biography to link to the entry. Both were tagged and I've since removed both. I understand why it is important to highlight self-referential entries. And I've recommended to Prof. Hart that he make the changes in wikipedia himself. The net result of all this is that while the rule on self-reference is understandable, in this case it has not helped the community of International Political Economy scholars build a meaningful wikipedia entry. The entries were not "vanity entries". It is a list of people who've changed the way other scholars think about their field of study. Retrieved from User talk:DavidESpiro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidESpiro (talk • contribs) 00:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Jeff Hart should be severely reprimanded for encouraging people to write about themselves on Wikipedia. It is even dubious whether he should be adding bios. You should wait until editors with absolutely no COI decide you guys are notable. &mdash; RHaworth 00:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

prefix:Talk:Main Page
I'm sorry, I haven't a clue. I didn't even realize it was becoming an issue. If I see any other examples I'll let you know. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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Black hole
My page also includes white hole info which is not apart of your page therefor it does not need to be added to your page. The redirection is to allow someone to go to someone's page which I have at the bottom of my page. Lokiwintergersky (talk) 06:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I say my and your to keep the parties at dispute separated. Lokiwintergersky (talk) 06:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have replied on Loki's talk page. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Template Oscoor
I've re-opened Template talk:Oscoor because it's not been working these last two or three days --Redrose64 (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Self-replicating machine

 * 18:16, 9 March 2008 RHaworth protected Self-replicating machine ‎ (rpeated trolling by blocked user [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])

That was over 18 months ago. I'd like to review this to see if semiprotection is still necessary. See talk:Self-replicating machine. --TS 11:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Unprotected. &mdash; RHaworth 12:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Muhammad Yaseen nawaz
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 * Done. If you spot any more: a) a quick Google check will probably enable you to mark them copyvio and b) just tell me and I will deal. &mdash; RHaworth 14:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It took me a second to realize why TW thought to send you the automatic original-contributor warning for the MfD nom. In any case, I'm glad the deletion discussion proved productive, though the incident has done little for my confidence in the products of Lahore University's MBA program.  =)
 * My first thought upon seeing the original incarnation of this nonsense (I think it first appeared at ) was that it must be a copyvio. However, I could not get any Google hits out of a random sampling of sentences I submitted, aside from a couple of items which seemed to originate in corporate annual reports and which appeared to have been intended not necessarily as properly-formatted and cited quotes, but, from the context, were included at least in the "spirit" of quotes.  My operating assumption has been that the material either originated with the posters themselves or was lifted from a source of such fathomless obscurity that Google hasn't seen fit to index it.  --Dynaflow   babble  20:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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AfD/Dance Marathon at Hope College
Would you consider redirecting this article to Hope College right now?

The article is obviously not notable in its current form, so this material can be removed right now, with only a redirect remaining.

I could redirect the page right now for you and close the Afd, instead of having to wait 7 days.

Please let me know as soon as possible, because as soon as someone else comments on the AfD, they must agree also before I can redirect the article and close the AFD.Ikip (talk) 00:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Also Motor-CAD >> Brushless DC electric motor thanks. Ikip (talk) 01:01, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Dance Marathon. I consider that the subject warrants a mention in the Hope College article and is not worthy of a redirect. But I want to see what other people think. I am surprised that people have not rushed up to express their opinions right now.
 * Motor-CAD. A very firm no to a redirect. Motor-CAD is for designing any type of elecric motor (in fact it probably does not do BLDCs). The BLDC article does not discuss design tools. &mdash; RHaworth 08:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * thank you for considering this proposal. :) I am rather suprised about how these articles are not getting !votes either.
 * This is a recent trend which has been discussed on WT:AFD. Ikip (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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Wrapid
Hey, I started a wiki page for Wrapid, unfortunately I didn't get chance to finish the page and obviously it's been deleted. I would like to go and finish the page off, any chance you can make the page unprotected so I can do this?

Thanks Scottward86 (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Let us see your draft in User:Scottward86/sandbox including some evidence of notability. &mdash; RHaworth 23:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Greetings & Archiving
Would you kindly archive my Talk Page? I never learned how to do it. Also, other pages have been archived - so if you just follow the previous format, that would be fine. On the other hand, I noticed someone having "automatic" archiving. Is there such a thing? If so, that would be my preference - i wouldn't need to bother you. Thanks either way. Hope all is well with you. --Ludvikus (talk) 22:55, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried doing it myself - but I messed up. And I don't know how to un-do the mess. Can you help me, please. --Ludvikus (talk) 09:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Did you wonder what this edit was all about? Just wait. If the MiszaBot has not done its job in the next 24 hours, then you may come back to me. &mdash; RHaworth 10:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you're talking about. But you solved my Archiving mess - thanks a lot. (Now I'll try to figure out what you're talking about!) --Ludvikus (talk) 10:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I am trying hard not to be sarcastic but &hellip; Do you know how to read a diff listing? This link returns hundreds of kilobytes but the only bit that matters is near the top with a green background. You do not need to understand it but you should see the words "[ro]bot" and "archive" (three times!). You mentioned automatic archiving - did you not think that this might be the setting up of automatic archiving. See this which states that the bot runs once a day at a preset hour. &mdash; RHaworth 10:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Got you. And I'll try to remember to look for sarcasm in your future remarks. Thanks. I've often failed to laugh at humor when told in a dead-pan manner. But writing on Wikipedia did not prepare me for humor - I guess because perhaps more than 90% of the time is spent trying to get another to understand one point. I'm surprised you are able to be sarcastic on Wikipedia - or perhaps you presumed something (positive I hope) about my intelligence, and from there you graced me with sarcasm - no doubt a benefit an idiot would be spared. Regarding "Bot" & "Robot" I got that - but I admit not having spent sufficient time learning Wikipedia jargon and procedures as would benefit me and Wikipedia. But now I'[m worried I may have forgotten some stuff due to my "vacation" (hope you get my sarcasm here). On that point, I'd like to say your one person I have a good memory of - though one might not deduce that from the photo you've posted on your User page. Anyway, the best to you. --Ludvikus (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Barbara Jane Harrison
Nice photo of her grave. I've added it to the BOAC Flight 712 article. (Found it when I visited newbie Kbaughan1's talk page to ask some questions about the Luftwaffe bomber article that had been deleted. I think he'll make a good editor once he learns a bit more about how Wikipedia works. Mjroots (talk) 12:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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Occam Process advert tag
I hope this is the right way to discuss this with you! I am the user that created the Occam Process page and wanted to inform you that I replied to your note, and started to see why it looked like an advert after all. I started a discussion on the talk page and also removed one of the External Links.

Hope to either improve the article or get you to move me to your way of thinking haha. Thanks for prompting this, I was impressed to see how quickly a new page received action on Wikipedia! Hope to talk to you soon. Mech sj (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

prods
just a note--you seem to sometimes be neglecting to notify  the authors. e.g. Zehava Gal, Mezzo-Soprano, Avioportolano.  DGG ( talk ) 17:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Sky
Hi,

I dnt understand why you are sayign to remove the content from the main article? there is plent of list that do this they break out he information then just put it back into the main one but allowing the main one not to exceed 100kb size limit. plus removing it alltgoether will cause a lot more contrvers and people will object.--Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 21:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Riggenbach
Remembering your love of sarcasm, let me say that you're the beneficiary of the dubious distinction of being among my favorite WP:Administrators.

And going further down that list of distinctions is the fact that I've inadvertently created an article which allegedly was deleted - and now I think I want to save it anyway.

But to do that, it would be nice if I could look at the deleted page.

And guess what? Your the ADM I've elected to seek assistance in viewing the alleged deleted page!

Doesn't that make you happy? --Ludvikus (talk) 17:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am absoultely extatic. See e-mail. Looks like Jeff brought the deletion upon himself by replacing a decent stub with a puffy autobio. &mdash; RHaworth 17:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Could be. But I discovered on the Web by looking for sources regarding revisionism. May your un-aware, but this is a very confused and controversial topic in the USA and at Wikipedia. And it looks like Jeff wrote the best book (rather than a mere article) on the subject. I think it's 2009 when it came out. He seems to be a libertarian. That's not bad, actually. The hateful stuff falls under Holocaust denial. Anyway, I'm writing a scholarly (I hope) - reference - WP article entitled Revisionist historians (American) which I hope will improve WP. And Jeff has excerpts of his book online. But he published his book with Ludwig von Mises Institute, a libertarian outfit - but that's not Oxford or Cambridge, or even Harvard (the presses, I mean). --Ludvikus (talk) 18:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Please check this ip
72.26.87.73 please consider blocking this ip he or she has added Insane information over and over again with two examples i reverted http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Lavery&oldid=315400997 and here he or she isent very active but when on this person does this to 3 4 articles please consider blocking it [[User:BigPadresDUDE|Big]PadresDude 05:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed and done. &mdash; RHaworth 07:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Help!!!
To the best of my recollection, you once warned me about historical revisionism.
 * I really tried very hard to be a "good boy" at WP.
 * But in this "school" there are so many Principles, it's hard to know whose rules one must obey.
 * Now I'm not "Banned," but I am "Restricted."
 * Your recommendations - just because I particularly like you (no sarcasm, and I'm straight too) will bear a very heavy weight from me.
 * PS: Maybe a long, self-imposed vacation from Wikipedia, might be best. --Ludvikus (talk) 18:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The advice you were given at User talk:Ludvikus seems pretty sound. But since revisionism is the principle subject you want to write about, a long vacation is probably best. &mdash; RHaworth 20:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm only Restricted to four (4) articles. That's not a very large Restriction. And if I was a really bad boy, I think I would have been Banned, rather than only Restricted. But what about Contesting the Restriction. Is that bad Wikipedia policy? I think I only had a Content dispute with one editor User:North Shoreman, but the Restricting editor did not see my position. Do I have to swallow that medicine of the Restriction? I certainly will not touch four (4) the articles from which I'm Restricted. That's not a problem, or an issue. But are you recommending a long vacation if I'm inclined to gently prod my Restricting Adm into removing the restriction? And please don't be sarcastic - or I might misunderstand your advice.
 * But will you miss me when I've gone on my self imposed leave of absence (just kidding)? --Ludvikus (talk) 22:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Leaving Wiki but may pay occasional visits
Hi I have had enough of the WIKIwars that surround the Dyslexia and related articles. I have created a list of links to my PubMed Research paper collections on User:Dolfrog which may help in any future disputes. Wikipedia and my Auditory Processing Disorder are not the best match. I hope ti use my Research paper collections to clarify Dyslexia and dispel the myths created by the marketing men of the global dyslexia industry Thank you for your help earlier this year. dolfrog (talk) 17:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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Ooop-Thanks for your interest
1. Never done a move. Real life getting in the way. Yes stupid. One more thing to learn to handle was one too much. 2. Testing an image map. I put it there in the hope that other editors would see, and use it, and possibly create one for the South Pennine Ring. A form of subliminal advertising. As you see I am trying to add a few Mills in Ashton, checking whether the Infobox Mill building template needs to be modded, and whether format of the article is correct. All comments very welcome. --ClemRutter (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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Page creation
Please stop creating portal pages in mainspace! Mayalld (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you read the above? I have moved Bible/Featured chapter/Nehemiah to User:Donnie Love/sandbox. &mdash; RHaworth 16:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand. Please explain. Donnie Love (talk) 18:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You state at the top of it that "Chapters from the Book of Nehemiah will be displayed on the front page of Portal:Bible". Presumably the page you created is meant to be used by the portal. Therefore it should be given a title which starts with  Incidentally, please correct the horrible SHOUTING. They should be: Nehemiah, People, Places, Related articles and English text. &mdash; RHaworth  18:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see you have already put them in the right place. Why on earth are you asking me. Now fix the SHOUTING. &mdash; RHaworth 18:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't move them. That's why I was confused. Thanks. Donnie Love (talk) 22:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of my article
Hello RHaworth, you are the third person to whom I must explain that I am working on my article of a manga and would like to continue without being bothered all the time. I'm not sure what is so inappropriate about an unfinished and requested article, but I can assure you that I will finish what I'm doing, so please leave me to my work and do not jump so quickly when it comes to deleting new articles. I have put a "hangon" tag, in case nobody notices. Thanks. Saira92 (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC) I'm sorry, I thought you would've known what I was talking about by seeing my username. I'd like to point out that the article was starting to have quite a bit of content after two hours' work, that is, before it was completely erased. But anyway, I don't wish to get into a quarrel, so I guess I'll leave this where it is. Saira92 (talk) 01:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Did it cross your mind to tell me that you were talking about A Penguin's Troubles? So write it in user:Saira92/sandbox until it has some content and establishes its notability. &mdash; RHaworth 01:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Obviously, I did work out what you were talking about. I am just pointing out that it is usual and courteous to provide a link. I have restored the article and moved it to user:Saira92/sandbox. When you think it is ready, it might be a good idea to invite a different editor to move it into the (article) namespace. &mdash; RHaworth 01:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for restoring my article, but for some reason, there is a lot of content missing (story, references, etc). Why is that? Saira92 (talk) 02:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Possibly because you failed to save your edits! I can assure you that all you edits are there - go through the history carefully. &mdash; RHaworth 02:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Kansi variants
Hi RHaworth, I had written a short note to WP:ANI but I see you have come across those in the same time. There are multiple IPs and 2 users repeatedly adding this content. Cheers Antipastor (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration for Quantum Mysticism
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Debate over oral Torah
You previous deleted an earlier version of this article, and now I have done so again, and protected the title. Please see the discussion at User talk:Standforder. I doubt we have heard the last of it.  DGG ( talk ) 03:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Indef IP blocks
Hey there. I noticed you had a couple entries on Database reports/Indefinitely blocked IPs, namely an indefinite block of and. Per Blocking IP addresses, IP addresses should almost never be indefinitely blocked. In my experience, the "almost" only comes in for WP:OFFICE or sometimes OTRS actions, and even then the IP addresses can usually be eventually unblocked. I've reviewed these users and don't really see anything that would justify an indefinite IP block- Would you object to shortening the block length? (personally, I would have blocked 72.26.87.73 for 3 months, and 190.128.114.227 for no more than a week). Thanks, VegaDark (talk) 17:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Will try and remember in future. Blocked on 72.26.87.73 changed to 3 months. The other one simply unblocked - we had a curious vandal who insisted on replacing as article with Spanish but they seem to have gone away. &mdash; RHaworth 17:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Meeting?
What on earth is this meeting? Wikipedia editors meet in real life? Why? :s Edward1967 (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

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Advice
Here is some advice on preparing advice on preparing a history article for Featured Article: make sure you work in the correct namespace. &mdash; RHaworth 13:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What did I do wrong? Cla68 (talk) 21:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Try looking at the edit history. &mdash; RHaworth 21:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I got it. Thanks for fixing it. Cla68 (talk) 00:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Automatic archive of User talk:Jimbo Wales
Would it be possible for you to install the same archiving program Jimbo uses on his Talk page? Since it's automatic I won't have to bother anyone else again about archiving my Talk page (if I get it). Thanks. -- Ludvikus (talk) 01:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC) If it's the same software procedure, how come my Talk page is so extremely long, and every time I open it, it advise me so & tells me that I should Archive it because it is so long? --Ludvikus (talk) 11:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you incapable of looking at an edit box? The archiving of User talk:Jimbo Wales is done by MiszaBot III as is your talk page. If you are not happy with how it is working, then tweek the parameters in the &#123;{User:MiszaBot/config}} transclusion at the top of the page. &mdash; RHaworth 11:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Try reading very carefully the content of the &#123;{User:MiszaBot/config}} tag on your page and on Jimbo's. Can you see an  parameter? Are they the same on yours and Jimbo's? Do you think it is possible that it might be affecting the bot's behaviour? &mdash; RHaworth  12:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I confess I haven't been at all inspired to read any of that - I'm too lazy for this stuff which doesn't give me direct ways of improving WP Articles, or improve my effectiveness in communicating my points to other editors. But maybe (just for you, dear R. Haworth, just because you,re "worth" it - I'll now make an exception! --Ludvikus (talk) 12:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * PS1: Jimbo has "old1d" while I have "old21d" - I simply deleted that "2" and hit the "Show preview" button - but nothing happened/changed. So now you expect me to study more of the syntax of that Bot program, right? --Ludvikus (talk) 12:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * PS2: I also remember reading somewhere that if you switch Archiving methods, you should seek help because it migh mess things up. And I don't/didn't know if I'm switching to another Archiving system. --Ludvikus (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Change it to 1d. Wait a day or so, until the bot's next run. Tim Song (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No need to "study the syntax" but you could actually read the pages you are editing or copying. Jimbo has "old(1d)" and you have "old(21d)" - the parentheses might actually make a difference. Also have you any concept of a bot? I told you above to "wait. If the MiszaBot has not done its job in the next 24 hours, then you may come back to me". Have you forgotten already? The MiszaBot runs once every 24 hours for user talk pages. Make your change and wait for up to 24 hours. Is that really too difficult to grasp? I suggest you try  for starters - old(1d) is probably too quick. &mdash; RHaworth  14:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million! By the way, does the Archive bot archive things based on activity? By keeping the active strings on the Talk page - "chronological order"? Or does it simply take the strings in "listed order"? --Ludvikus (talk) 13:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it is clever enough to see what is the most recent edit within a given thread. But give it a chance to run and see what happens! &mdash; RHaworth 14:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Leigh Arnold
Re Leigh Arnold. I am just wondering how an article by and for the Actress Leigh Arnold could be a copyright infringement? If you could clarify this it would be great and I will gladley correct if any errors. But this is biographical so not too sure. -- The pen is mightier than the sword! Edward Bulwer-Lytton (1803-73) &#124; Bush wins with the Pen of a Judge! Alex Gogan (1968- gulp!) (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The text was copied from this page which is marked at the bottom "© 2009 Leigh Arnold". That makes it a copyvio! But in any case the text is not quite what we want here. So, providing you have no COI, feel free to write a bio in your own words including references . &mdash; RHaworth 06:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

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Talkback
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Deleting another user's subpage
I had suggested to Trevorhere that he use his subpages to develop articles, and not move them into articlespace until they met Wikipedia's standards; then I copied to his subpage the text of his only article not yet deleted, to save his work for further development. I see you've deleted that subpage as "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Is it your position that this new user shouldn't be given the chance to improve his text beyond sales-blurb brevity, in his own userspace? — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 08:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct. This user is clearly here for one purpose: to promote a company, its owner and its publications. Trevorhere should not be writing on these subjects here at all. &mdash; RHaworth 16:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps you could tell him that on his talk page, as a fair warning, so he doesn't waste his efforts on those subpages only to have you delete whatever he does with them? — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 16:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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Outline space
. Thank you. I guess that putting a colon in a title doesn't create a new NameSpace. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Not as experienced as you... need help
I have the Administrators page on my watchlist. The talk page led me to User:UKER and his/her contributions. Which led me | here. I noticed User:UKER and User:Anesleyp having editing "arguments" and have decided to "resolve" the issues between them through the use of the edit summary. I notified them, here and here. My first question is... (so that I may "learn the ropes") did I do the "right thing"?

Also second... While I was notifying Anesleyp, I noticed that according to Maralia (and many others) Anesleyp is taking "things" that don't belong to him (here as well as other things and places). Could you please do what is supposed to be done here, so that a) I may learn what to do in the future; and b) to have someone resolve the issue who should know how to handle things. ⊥m93 talk. 01:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Another place (to make it easier for you) where Anesleyp has taken something that doesn't belong... here
 * I cannot say that I get worked up about having arguments via edit summaries but your messages to Anesleyp and UKER were perfectly OK. Re Anesleyp's plagiarism, it would have been perfectly OK for you to do these two edits. You could have left it to Maralia but someone else doing it has the advangtage of stressing to Anesleyp that more than one person is watching and thinks the behaviour is unacceptable. See the interesting message below which has appeared while I have been drafting this message. &mdash; RHaworth 02:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah... I see what you're saying. I also thought of you because you were in fact an admin. Now that's no big deal (according to Jimmy's saying), but having sysop status makes some people THINK that you're "superior" if you get what I'm saying. I had noticed that Maralia (as well as others) had tried SEVERAL times to make him/her stop, but as I saw from the history log (or whatever its called) there were several FAILED attempts. That was my second reasoning for bringing you into THAT one (the first obviously stated above). Thanks again and I will be watching how you handle this so I can learn. :) ⊥m93  talk. 02:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I find it rather boring. Will you please do the watching and reverting. But if you feel that the User:Anesleyp page should be protected or that the user should be blocked, please come back to me. &mdash; RHaworth 02:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh of course! There are FAR more important things to focus on to build this Encyclopedia than something that is not important at all. I totally understand. Thanks again. ⊥m93  talk. 02:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Starting over
i have deleted copyright and im creating my own text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anesleyp (talk • contribs) 02:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Are you going to offer any explanation of why you plagiarised? &mdash; RHaworth 02:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The Protocols
I seem not to be able to access this Template for editing. Also, I thing the Content page & Talk page may be out of sync. Could you check it out? Thanks. --Ludvikus (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have done an anon edit and you are not currently blocked so I have no idea why you cannot access it. As to "out of sync" what on earth are you are talking about? Are you aware of redirects at Template:"The Protocols" & Template talk:"The Protocols". Are these confusing you? &mdash; RHaworth 08:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Will answer later. But here's something more pressing: (diff) (hist) . . Template:The Protocols‎; 08:23 . . (-2) . . 92.239.46.95 (talk) (trivial edits br RHaworth for Ludvikus' benefit).
 * What on earth is this all about? --Ludvikus (talk) 12:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

After you deal with the above Emergency - looks to me like - Vandalism, or POV pushing, I'd like to direct you this to simple technical issue: When I click on the bottom "e" of the Template, instead of opening the Content page for Editing, I get to a  #REDIRECT  page. Looking forward to your Responses. --Ludvikus (talk) 12:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't be ridiculous - what POV do you think was being pushed? Was this edit really beyond your capabilities? &mdash; RHaworth 12:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You got the wrong guy, or talking to the wrong guy. The person responsible for that Reversion/Editing is 92.239.46.95 - not me!
 * Have you overlooked that too? My dear friend, don't assume I'm an idiot just because I happen to be so still in some areas where you are clearly the master, but this is one moment I can say - gotcha! -- Ludvikus (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops. Give me a moment please.
 * OK. I'm back. Look here: User 92.239.46.95 says "(trivial edits br RHaworth for Ludvikus' benefit)".
 * Am I supposed to realize from that that it's not some Troll attacking the both of us? That it's you with an anonymous account?
 * And was your '"br" a typo? On our ASCI keyboard the sequence of letters is "r,"t," "y,"?
 * But surely your fingers could not be that huge to have skipped over "t" in forgivable clumsiness? -- Ludvikus (talk) 13:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, hitting r instead of y was unforgivable clumsiness. The use of an IP account was to make it clear that your inability to access was not a matter of user rights. Have you actually bothered to look at the edit? Please explain very carefully a) where did I suggest that you had done the edit and b) how could it possibly be described as vandalism, POV pushing or trollery? &mdash; RHaworth 16:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. Take it easy. You're still at the very top of my most respected WP ADM's. You haven't dropped even one iota!!! I'm just saying that it looked like to me some "nameless" editor (possibly a Vandal) was trying to make BOTH of us look bad! A careful reading of: User 92.239.46.95 says "(trivial edits br RHaworth for Ludvikus' benefit)" makes it naturally appear like some third party is Reverting YOU work on the ground that you're my poppet, stooge, agent, etc. So I was simply summoning you against this third person's untrue accusation that you have tampered with this Template on my behalf - amazing how easy it is to be misunderstood at Wikipedia. And on that last issue: I have a dream - in which I understand that you undertake to overcome the underworld? --Ludvikus (talk) 17:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I repeat: how could the edit possibly be described as vandalism, POV pushing or trollery? &mdash; RHaworth 19:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Simple: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion attracts Trolls, those he wish to turn Wikipedia into a Soap Box to promote the truth of contents of this tract. Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler said that the fact that that this text was contrived (to put it mildly) didn't matter - they both said just look around. Isn't the world just as the this Non-Existent Manuscript says it is? That's way its easy to identify a Vandal in the editing of such articles. Because all scholarship says this is Trash in every way. So any indication of persistently pretending that neutrality demonstrates the exact opposite. That's exactly the situation with the historical revisionism family of related articles. At the core is the attempt to feign objectivity. These people are known as Holocaust deniers. I hope I answered you. If not, rephrase your question for my benefit, & I'll my best to accommodate you. --Ludvikus (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: I didn't study the Diffs" very carefully & remember that the "e" function was inoperative for me - until way after you came and fixed it. So I could examine the Content of the Template. Hope this helps. --Ludvikus (talk) 20:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I give up. You are just waffling. You have not answered my question at all. It is time that you learnt to use diff listings. The vandal/troll at 92.239.46.95 managed to edit the article even though the "e" function was not quite working - why could you not manage it? &mdash; RHaworth 22:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Extremely simple two question:
 * (1) Who, if not you, is 92.239.46.95???
 * (2) Where, in heaven's name is 92.239.46.95?
 * To get a Diff to him/her/you I need to access that account.
 * Are you color blind, and therefore cannot tell the difference between Red and Blue?
 * --Ludvikus (talk) 22:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: So you wouldn't think I'm waffling, or stupid here's the Diff you wish me to produce: . Notice that on the Left is unknown person X (may or may not be you), and on the Right is known person a, namely you, Mr. R. Haworth.
 * How am I supposed to know that the two are one and the same?
 * And by the language used, it sure looks like some person Reverted your editing because that person thought you did me a favor, which you shouldn't have. Is it now clear that I haven't been "waffling"? Have you? --Ludvikus (talk) 22:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course I am currently using 92.239.46.95. It is in the Virgin Media office at in Factory Lane, Croydon. What is this crap about red and blue? The diff listing I was talking about is this one which anyone can view. "Some person Reverted you editing" - so show me the diff for that reversion. Please stop bothering me - I have fixed the template why the do you go on leaving messages? &mdash; RHaworth  23:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cause you kept ASKING me! Read the above. Anyway, I do my best not to "bother" you again! About the "red" I was just trying to tell you that "red" means to me that the Page is Closed. So I hypothesized (mistakenly (mistakenly it appears) that it was some user whose account had been Closed. I had no idea it was you. Why you find me a "bother" to you, I don't know, and so I'll no loner do it. Have a good day anyway, even though you've no upset me by your obvious incivility to me. --Ludvikus (talk) 00:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Bowden, Scottish Borders
Hi, I could't find any other way of contact. You deleted my article on Bowden, Scottish Borders, I don't understand. Regards Jimmydenham (talk) 08:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

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