User talk:RHaworth/Archive to 2010 September

Vandalism in Koshal State Movement
Section blanking is done by IP address 125.16.27.82 on 8th September. Please do the needful to restore the article. See Koshal State Movement. I have undone the text. (Skarmee (talk) 08:33, 11 September 2010 (UTC))
 * Please learn to copy&paste - you gave two variant versions of the title above - both wrong! (Actually Koshal state movement would probably be a better title.) What is "the needful" that you want me to do? You can correct, and have corrected, these edits yourself. I cannot even offer you a block because policy says that IP addresses should, in general, only be blocked briefly. You just have to be patient and keep reverting such edits. &mdash; RHaworth 10:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Bahrain Vision 2030
Hi. I just noticed that the Bahrain Vision 2030 page has been listed for deletion. What should I do to make this article better? I am citing sources and all & am not intending to advertise about anything. All I'm doing is portraying the Bahrain Economic Strategy 2030 to the people. Emadhn15 (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC) Isn't this United Nations report a reliable source? Emadhn15 (talk) 06:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources suggest anything? Why did you pretend to be the sign bot? Please sign properly with ~ . &mdash; RHaworth 08:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly but it is not in the article. &mdash; RHaworth 09:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of HORIBA Medical Wiki
Hi. I just noticed that the HORIBA Medical page has been deleted. What should I do to convince you to publish it again? All I did was relaying the history of the former company, ABX, and its evolution. Is this about the products logos? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolas.Hernandez (talk • contribs) 08:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I read your previous comments on deletion. I get it. How can I access the deleted page to make my modifications? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolas.Hernandez (talk • contribs) 08:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was ill-disposed to the article even before I opened it because you were SHOUTING the company name. Feel free to create a new draft in User:Nicolas.Hernandez/Horiba and tell me when it is done. Points to action: much shorter; no &lt;br />s; links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources; no people listed; just list the countries they operate in not the towns; no product catalogue (hence none of those logos - the company logo itself is fine), inter-wiki link to the fr: article and, of course, no SHOUTING. I have e-mailed you a copy of the text. &mdash; RHaworth 09:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The latin phonetic method of Shanghainese
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Transistor Sound & Lighting Co.
Curious as to deletion of Transistor Sound & Lighting Co.. How is importance or significance guidline not met? NotionsUnlimited (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I deleted it because it was totally devoid of refs to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. However, as was pointed out to me at the bottom of this thread, there is a subtle difference between importance and notability. I have restored the article but for goodness sake, provide some references pdq. &mdash; RHaworth 05:32, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I will try to track down stable web sources and add. NotionsUnlimited (talk) 16:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your recent revert of vandalism
Hi. regarding your revert here of an SPA account Asik5678, could you also take a look at these edits of his? They seem to be grossly POV, delete existing references, and contradict this section of the article, which is actually sourced. Thanks.117.194.200.171 (talk) 23:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please always log in before editing. The edit I did was something I just happened to notice as I was sorting out a different bit of nonsense by Asik5678. Sorry, I do not have the knowledge to do a general review. I will leave it to you but if you think a block is justified, please let me know. &mdash; RHaworth 05:32, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Content Guru
Hello, I'm sorry you have seen fit to delete this. Can you explain why this article has been deleted on the grounds of unambiguous advertising when, for example, Outsourcery has not? Thanks. -- Scoguru001 (talk) 12:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * How many links to independant sources does Outsourcery have? How many did your article have? &mdash; RHaworth 12:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure that independent sources are sufficient to overcome the idea of unambiguous advertising. Note, for example, the statement at the beginning of the Outsourcery piece: "...the UK's leading provider of mobile-centric unified communications (Unified Communications) and hosted IT solutions (software as a service) for business". Where is the independent confirmation of this claim? Also: "...the company went through a dramatic organisational and cultural transformation from a ‘fly-by-night’ business mobile provider to the UK's leading provider of advanced communications and hosted IT solutions." This language seems somewhat subjective for the august pages of Wikipedia. And their logo is little more than an advertisement in itself. I do not begrudge the untempered presence of Outsourcery - or countless others who seem to me to be using Wikipedia as a promotional medium, notable or not - but I wonder why we have been singled out for exclusion, when they are not? Consistency is all I ask. Scoguru001 (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC) Ok, then why not the Outsourcery example quoted? While I accept that everything is subjective, it seems to me that this content (and much other content across the site) falls short of the spirit and the letter of the principles in many ways. It would clearly be helpful if you could be more specific in what you mean by "unambiguous advertising", and why the Outsourcery example complies with the guidelines and Content Guru does not. Thanks. – ScoContentGuru (talk) 09:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You have not been singled out. Dozens of self-promoting articles are deleted every day. &mdash; RHaworth 17:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't mean you are singled out, it means that Wikipedia is a big place that is not perfect. With thousands of articles submitted daily, certainly some survive that should not. On the other hand, Wikipedia also lacks many article that it probably should have. Now that you've pointed out another article, I'm sure it will undergo scrutiny too. Just my .02. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 11:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * FYI, I have tagged the Outsourcery article with a multiple issues tag. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 11:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The main lack of ambiguity lies in the person who is writing the article. I am close to applying a spamusernameblock to your account. Will you please have the humility to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it. See also WP:OSE. &mdash; RHaworth 16:21, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

WGSN
Article for WGSN (fashion forecaster), Worth Global Style Network. Hi, may I respectfully request that you reconsider its deletion. The article was of course not comprehensive, because it is meant to be a stub, to be grown by fashion insiders. It's notability should be clear from the fact that it is a dominant force in influencing the fashion industry. These details were included. WGSN is not well known to consumers, but it is well-known to fashion insiders. It is the single largest subscription-only news network of its kind. There is some controversy and mixed feelings about whether it is good for the industry. It should be clear to you that I am not connected to WGSN, whether Wikipedia has an article on it will not affect me, but I think that consumers would find this interesting. Please see: http://www.psfk.com/2007/09/is-wgsn-destroying-creativity.html http://www.psfk.com/2007/10/the-guardian-ignores-criticism-and-makes-wgsn-shine.html &mdash; Glueball (talk) 06:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I would have expected an editor with seven years experience to have better ideas about what we need in a Wikipedia article. PSFK are apparently a rival to WGSN. Can you find any better, mainstream references? Feel free to create a draft in User:Glueball/sandbox and raise the matter at deletion review. I can let you have your text if you follow these instructions. &mdash; RHaworth 06:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Hydra Sports Boats Deletion
There was a deletion of an article about a company which did not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. I unfortunately did not indicate a work in progress and was unable to complete the relevance and importance that Hydra Sports Boats has made to the Marine industry and recreational fishing as a whole. &mdash; Kirk Lewellen (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am very surprised that Monterey Boats was not deleted as spam, your COI is so close and blatant. What is your connection with Hydra Sports Boats? It would be good if you declared it. I have e-mailed your text. Develop new articles in User:Kirk Lewellen/sandbox (or anything that starts with  ) and mark them userspace draft. &mdash; RHaworth  16:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Old page
I happened to come across User talk:RHaworth/Jonjoe as it was using an image I looked at. It seems like whatever it was documenting is ancient history, is there any reason to retain it? Fences &amp;  Windows  00:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You presumably are not proposing the deletion of my archive user talk pages. How does the Jonjoe page differ from on of those pages? &mdash; RHaworth 05:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Dead cat
Re Category:Pages where attention has been requested: Hi - I see you rejected a WP:CSD on this category in July, on the grounds that it was in use, even though empty. Could you possibly have another look please - as far as I can see, this category was only populated by template attreq, which now redirects to helpme. Therefore any use of attreq will populate Category:Wikipedians looking for help instead. I think it can therefore be speedied, but wanted to get your opinion before doing so. —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 06:45, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Unused after three months. Go ahead and tag for speedy. &mdash; RHaworth 06:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've deleted it. —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 07:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Stone (Pineapple Dance Studios)
Hello RHaworth. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Andrew Stone (Pineapple Dance Studios), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 22:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

KRMS speedy deletion
RHaworth, I see you deleted KRMS under criterion csd-a7. I'd like to discuss this with you, because I believe the deletion was in error under this criterion. I suspect you considered it to be a company, or organization, or group? If so, I urge you to consider that a radio station is actually a product. Consider for example, the radio station WCBS-FM. WCBS-FM, the radio station, is the product, whereas CBS Corporation is the company. While, in one sense, the radio station is usually a subsidiary company or a division of a company, the sense in which most people interact with a radio station is as a listener, and they listen to a product, not a company. While KRMS may not have been notable, it was not subject to A7, and instead should have been proposed for deletion by an advocating editor. If you agree, could you undo the deletion, please? (Also, if you happen again to take an action that conflicts with an earlier of mine, could you let me know on my talk page? I might have be mistaken in mine, so I'd want to know and learn from it.)  Thank you. --Bsherr (talk) 17:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC) Ok, that explains it. Yup, I don't disagree with your assessment of the contents of the article. But I'm not the creator nor a contributor. The article should be restored so that proper process can be followed to delete it, or so that the creator and contributors can have an opportunity to bring the article up to standards. Since the article is deleted, I'm not sure who to notify. Could you restore it, please? --Bsherr (talk) 17:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC) A radio station is an organization, but it is also a product. The article concerned the radio station as a product, not as an organization. It described the programs on the radio station and its broadcast frequency, not, for example, its corporate officers, its revenue and earnings, its stock ticker symbol, etc. Consider, as an example, Coca-Cola. An article about the Coca-Cola Company would be a proper subject for A7 (if it were unimportant, which, of course, it isn't). However, an article about Coca-Cola, the soft drink, the product, would not be a proper subject for A7. It is the same with a radio station. Does this address your question? --Bsherr (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC) I'm sorry to press, but I'm afraid it does not, because the page history should as of right be restored, and it cannot be reproduced by recreating the article. If it helps, I think you'll be respected for correcting an error of process, regardless of the content of the article. --Bsherr (talk) 18:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC) I will if resolution is not possible here. One last try. Take a look at WP:PRODUCT, which distinguishes between organizations and their products and services. KRMS is the product/service, Viper Communications is the company. If I can't convince you that it's not an A7 subject, can I convince you that it's definitionally notable? Take a took at the first bullet of OUTCOMES. --Bsherr (talk) 18:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies. The version I looked at still had the speedy tag in place - see this explanation. But the article was really too stubby. Entire content: . I suggest you find proper references and then re-create the article. &mdash; RHaworth  17:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In what way is a radio station not an organisation? The article was created by . If it is re-created and sticks, I will undelete the history for completeness but until then A7 applies. &mdash; RHaworth 17:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not going to seen restoring such an hopelessly stubby article. If you re-create it, I shall not touch it. Does that close the matter, please? &mdash; RHaworth 18:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, then go to WP:DRV. &mdash; RHaworth 18:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you need more time to reply? --Bsherr (talk) 23:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do the words "OK, then go to WP:DRV" above suggest anything to you? &mdash; RHaworth 23:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I thought I might be able to change your mind. But I think it would have been kinder just to say you didn't want to discuss it further than to ignore my post. Most administrators I encounter are very respectful. --Bsherr (talk) 00:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for KRMS
An editor has asked for a deletion review of KRMS. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Bsherr (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Selective Sound Sensitivity
I have nominated Selective Sound Sensitivity, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Selective Sound Sensitivity. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Aspen Network of Development Entrepreneurs
We've both tagged this for PROD and/or CSD and the tags have been removed. I feel sure that IP  205.219.45.3 is a sock  for the creator. Could you please look  into  it. Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 15:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Information on which IP address a logged-in user has been using is, for some reason, jealously guarded by a very small group of admins. However in this case, the whois info for 205.219.45.3 tells you all you need to know! There is an whois link at the bottom of every IP address contributions page, eg. Special:Contributions/205.219.45.3. &mdash; RHaworth 17:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Articles for deletion/Cell Phone Addiction Denial --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Help with questionable articles
Hello, I'm still relatively new here and attempting to help out with new page patrolling as much as I can. I've been confident in marking a page when I know it fit certain criteria for speedy deletion, however I found two pages which I'm unsure what to do with. I figured that since you're much more experienced than I and that since you also patrol new pages, I'd refer you to the pages in question and take note of what actions you take. My instinct was to mark them as copyright infringement for a speedy deletion, but I'm hesitant to do that since I don't know *exactly* what qualifies a page as such. The articles are Shakur Green and Shakur Greene. The introduction in the first and the entirety of the second is copied and pasted from (http://www.servinghistory.com/topics/Shakur_Green). Also of note is the fact that the pages have only one reference (not the cited site) and google searches turned up almost nothing on a "Shakur Green" or "Shakur Greene". However, the articles do have unreferenced information in regards to notability. Thanks for your time. Velociraptors (talk) 19:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The page at ServingHistory is probably cloned from Wikipedia (with an invalid copyright notice!). The easiest way for you to get rid of Shakur Greene would be to convert it to a redirect. If Shakur Green gets deleted, a bot would eventually find the redirect at Shakur Greene and flag it for deletion. As for Shakur Green, I would probably be taken to task for using a speed tag: there is "assertion of importance" but no "evidence of notabilty". So probably a prod would be best, followed by AfD if the prod gets deleted. the AfD will probably spur people to find references and the article may get kept. But proposing deletion is certainly the best route rather than applying a weak refimprove tag. People such as need to be told very firmly that unreferenced articles are unacceptable. &mdash; RHaworth  20:47, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Outsourcery
FYI: Outsourcery -PRODed. --Kudpung (talk) 02:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

CEO (Band)
Could you restore the article for the band CEO? I don't see why it was deleted. They/him have/has a pitchfork review, radio airplay, etc, etc, etc. What more do you want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bncywargarretthero (talk • contribs)
 * What more do I want? I want you to sign your message properly and, since I cannot find the article via your contribution history, I need a link to it. &mdash; RHaworth 06:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Chance to Shine
I think you speedily deleted the above article recently created by. I think it is notable, and I was in the process of expanding it when Crinfo's version was deleted. I was able to save the expanded version (effectively recreating the article) and I have added some sources.

I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket. Feel free to pitch in there or on the talk pages of the article. If the consensus is to keep it, please could you undelete the original version. Thanks. -- Testing times (talk) 19:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Photon Wave Orchestra
Please to be re-deleting Photon Wave Orchestra. Author re-created it with the AFD and Speedy tags attached about 2 seconds after you nuked it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC) OK, have it our way. &mdash; RHaworth 02:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the speedy? Speedy and AFD can overlap. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 02:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I closed the AFD so the speedy can be carried out, but I've been allowed overlaps before. I say speedy it again and if it comes back, salt it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 02:17, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Or do that, heh. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 02:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

B Lyrics Mimer
Can you please tell me the reason why the article [ B Lyrics mimer in 2009 March and B lyrics mimer in 2009 Sept and recently] is being flagged of as (g11) advertising when all references that are provided as sources are verifiable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhairavpardiwala (talk • contribs) 05:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * With your latest submission, you shot yourself in the foot by adding an hangon tag before anybody had proposed deletion! We now have five people who think the article is advertising. The best indication of this is that you are a SPA. The two independant references do not suggest that anybody is actually using this software - merely that you have asked these two "geek" sites to review your software. I suggest that you create a draft version of the article in User:Bhairavpardiwala/sandbox. Pay attention to spelling and capitalisation - "Kareoke Sofware" indeed - and above all, provide better references. Then raise the matter at deletion review. &mdash; RHaworth 08:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Dear Mr. RHaworth, First and foremost thanks so much for allotting your time and energy to my aforementioned article. However some of the points that have been so obligingly singled out by you are not quite accurate. I am a regular user and quite a fervent devotee of Wikipedia hence it follows that I too wished to make a contribution of my own to it. Sadly like too many new amateur hunters who take up a new sport, I ended up “shooting myself in the foot” as you so kindly put it. Therefore I must thank you for showing me the ropes in a new environment and demonstrating how people thwart beginner attempts. I shall remember you kindly Yours gratefully, Bhairav Pardiwala
 * 1) The fact that a speedy deletion had indeed been proposed at the time of my adding a hangon  tag.
 * 2) Calling someone a SPA on the basis of imagination is nothing but libel.
 * 3) The word “geek” I believe is best left in high school and is not an indication of a mind conducive to formal address.
 * 4) Dotting “i’s” and crossing “t’s” has been declared redundant and do not qualify as a cause in itself in the face of the actual purport of the subject since the advent of spell check. Hope you install one soon.
 * Re your points above: 1) any admin will confirm to you that in your revision of B lyrics mimer as of 2010-08-17, at 13:20:14 you added an hangon tag when no-one had proposed deletion. Yes, there was a previous version of the article with a speedy tag but that had been deleted nearly a year earlier so it does not count. 2) SPA stands for single purpose account - a glance at your account history says very loudly "single purpose"! You may have made many contributions when not logged in but they do not count. 3) one of your links was to techtipsgeek.com - a self-professing geek site!
 * I am not going to re-instate the article. I gave you above the recommended, democratic route for re-instatement via deletion review. Why have you not followed that route? &mdash; RHaworth 09:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of NewsIndexer
I removed the prod tag you placed on NewsIndexer because you had already placed a prod tag on the article on 3 August, which was then removed by the article creator on 9 August. Please take to AfD. Thanks! &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Cognitive Triangulation
I also removed a prod from Cognitive Triangulation as the article creator placed what can be interpreted as an objection to deletion on the talk page, thereby making deletion not uncontroversial. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Uffe Elbæk
Currently I am trying to get Uffe Elbæk's description accepted as notable person to be mentioned on Wikipedia but it appears that another Admin doesn't believe that he is a notable person to be mentioned. I would like to seek another opinion. JamesBWatson refuses to consider Uffe Elbæk as a notable candidate for a Wikipedia entry. JamesBWatson states that Uffe simply set up a business... In reality Uffe created a whole new university.

Below is a copied conversation between JamesBWatson and I. (Please note that JamesBWatson admitted to not fully reading the links that I provided as support to prove the Uffe Elbæk is a notable person to be mentioned.  Also note the countries--Javier Leocadio Colon 14:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC) where these magazines/links originate) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Javileco (talk • contribs) 08:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It is bad enough that you do not sign your comments but to remove a proper signature added by the SineBot is little better than vandalism. You do not need to include your conversation with JamesBWatson - I am perfectly capable of following a link such as this. Did you actually read this message? The wording implied that I felt that the guy was sufficiently notable that you could re-post a new version of the article rather than following any deletion review process. Would it not have been better to, at least, prepare a new draft instead of writing a long screed to ? Here is a kinky suggestion: create a new article and send it to AfD yourself! That will protect it from speedy deletion. &mdash; RHaworth 09:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Well I don't really live and breath this stuff so each time I write something I am learning about all the wikipedia short-cuts etc... I am not yet a follower in the Church of Wikipedia but don't banish me yet for commiting a sin and deleting a time stamp.

I think it is obvious I only understand half of what you guys write and the more I read from some of these entries it appears that you gain more street cred the more you edit... so I hate to think of all the time that was spent by some of you admins correcting stuff. So be kind ot the newbies!

I also resubmitted a new article but it appears to have also vanished without any comments or links to it.

I think I finally realize how to go about fixing my problem... but JamesBWatson's comments were just obviously his personal opinion and he made no attempt to actually read anything about my submission. He still claims that The Kaos Pilots is a private business which it is not.

I guess I will have to provide more proof than I originally assumed to proof that Uffe Elbæk is "worthy of recognition". -- Javier Leocadio Colon 11:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javileco (talk • contribs)
 * It may seem trivial but your consistent refusal to use ~ to sign your comments suggests to me that you in fact have no desire to join the Church of Wikipedia - you merely wish to push one article through. I see no evidence of your resubmitting the article - did you save it? Did you check for it after saving? &mdash; RHaworth 11:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I was so focused on writing an explaination that I forgot to add my name. I resubmitted the entry for Uffe Elbæk and asked for it to be reviewed. I have also found links to several Ted Talks that he has been a part of in the USA, Canada and Asia. I hope I am moving towards a more acceptable entry now. --Javier Leocadio Colon 14:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Progressive Student Fraction
You speedy deleted Progressive Student Fraction (PSF). There was then an objection followed by a move and an under-construction sign at Progressive Student Fraction. I have no position on this but it looks a bit of a mess (as well as turning up on "Short Pages").--Rumping (talk) 19:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

What a funny coincidence.
Hmm, That's funny. I just came across this page, Heart of a Champion Foundation, which you have put for deletion one year ago and wanted to notify you that I nominated it again in Articles for deletion/Heart of a Champion Foundation (2nd nomination). Now the funny part : When I looked for sources in Google Scholar, I found a very elaborate and interesting paper which includes deatils about this organization, and written by, guess who, R Haworth. It simply struck me. It took me some time until I noticed your name is Roger, while his name is Robert. Well, I guess there are some R Haworth's out there who'd actually like to keep this article :) Spatulli (talk) 23:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

read this today
so you do not go to hell. Well, if you don't want go there you should read. Otherwise - it's up to you... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qualities108 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

And please do not remove any new pages related to theism anymore... And it also would be good if you remove all materialism/atheism articles from wikipedia as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qualities108 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion proposal of FFEAD article
Hi Roger, I have just seen you proposing FFEAD article for deletion. I have found the article is nothing but a self promotion / advertisement. User name is User:Sumeet.chhetri; contents of the articles refer It is developed by Sumeet Chhetri and hosted on Google Code. I think the article can be deleted.--- Raj 6644 (தமிழன்)  07:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC) Fine! I'm doing that. I thought you have admin rights to delete the article. Raj 6644 (தமிழன்)  07:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't tell me - slap db-spam on it and explain why it is spam in your edit summary and/or the talk page. &mdash; RHaworth 07:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I could have deleted it, but I wanted to encourage you to be bold and take direct action! (Please Try And Avoid Spurious Capitals.) &mdash; RHaworth 16:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Article blanking
See, User:Kwamikagami repeatedly blanked Proto-Canaanite_alphabet, even after cleaning it from original research, so please tell him to not do this again.

Examples: , and  My speedying of it was result of above tricks from User:Kwamikagami which misleaded me. &mdash; 79.191.245.204 (talk) 16:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not normally talk to IP addresses. Please get yourself a user id if you have not already got one and log in before editing. 1) I accept your apology re the speedy tag. 2) Why cannot you log in and tell Kwamikagami yourself? &mdash; RHaworth 17:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Because Kwamikagami seems to treat seriously only admins. 79.191.245.204 (talk) 17:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Andreas Savvides redux
Hi RH. He's back. I just CSD'ed the hoax and tagged the sock. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 17:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I've been tricked by this guy for weeks :( and have asked for more info on Dr.K's talk. I'm currently investigating the situation and any more info that would be good to know would be appreciated. Thank you, Airplaneman   ✈  18:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the follow-up deletions. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 18:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Happy RHaworth's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

A child
Article A child was a mistake, as I wanted to set up child and grandchild relationships between my sub-pages, and use "A" as a name of one of the sub-pages. I'm sorry for the mix-up. --Philcha (talk) 21:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The system seems caught in a loop, insisting that it wants to recreate the article. It says, "User RHaworth (talk) deleted this article after you started editing it, with a reason of: A1: Not enough context to identify article's subject. Please confirm that you really want to recreate this article." Do you know to break the loop? --Philcha (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC) There is no negative option in the "please confirm" question. I've quit and re-loaded my browser (Firefox) - we're using my re-loaded browser right now. --Philcha (talk) 22:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What are the options available in reply to the "please confirm" question? Try taking the negative one! What about violent steps like quitting your browser or even rebooting your machine? &mdash; RHaworth 22:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK so confirm, let it be re-created and I will delete it again. &mdash; RHaworth 22:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

CHNC
I have gone through the criteria for deletion info. I understand why you have deleted Community Health Nutrition Clusters. It is true that most of the content is from a Govt order. When I was writing I must have thought of Primary health management structure which in place in this state and must have given that background. Then I must have addressed the reforms etc for efficient service delivery. My idea was to start some where and write a sensible article about Public health & its management in the ste of A.P. I will make some effort in this direction.

Dr.RamMohan.S —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rammohan65 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted because its quality was so poor it was almost impossible to tell whether it described a notable subject. Firstly decide whether you are writing about public health management in Andhra Pradesh or just about Community Health Nutrition Clusters. When you have written a proper article, submit it to WP:AFC and it will stand a good chance of surviving. &mdash; RHaworth 17:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for respect and consideration
[See User talk:Mdlusky]

The key word in your response was "error." I was unfamiliar with the process and asked for help. Thank you for your advice about where to go next. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdlusky (talk • contribs) 17:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

My article was deleted
Hi RHaworth,

I created a new wikipedia page about Rhino Rack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhino_Rack) and it was unfortunately deleted. It was not meant to be advertising, I just wanted to explain who their company was and what they provided. Oh well, I'll start again and rewrite so it sounds nothing like advertising.

I understand you can email me the article back. Can you send it to me with all the code included so I can make my updates and change the style of this article? Jmlnarik01 (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. You will have an uphill struggle establishing notability and, for goodness sake, leave out totally the "where to buy" and "YouTube videos" sections! &mdash; RHaworth 18:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

"The Hessian" by Howard Fast
I noticed that the page for "The Hessian" written by Howard Fast was deleted. I need the information for this book for a school project and I was hoping you would be able to send me the text. Here is the link to the deleted page The Hessian. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frocake222 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * E-mailed - possibly not quite what you were expecting! When you have finished your project, why not post it here? &mdash; RHaworth 00:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion request declined
Hi RHaworth, I declined your speedy deletion nominatin of Connect Communication, as it made a credible assertion of notability (largest ISP in Pakistan). Dabomb87 (talk) 21:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Deprodding of tcpcrypt
I have removed the tag from tcpcrypt, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- intgr [talk] 12:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

WÅ‚adysÅ‚aw IV Waza
Why delete this redirect under R3? The redirect is definitely not recent; it was created before you created an account. Nyttend (talk) 18:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, restore it. &mdash; RHaworth 18:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Quran with tafseer
Could you please undelete this article? We have received OTRS permission for it which I can add as soon as it is restored. VernoWhitney (talk) 11:36, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OTRS permission is pointless if the text is unencyclopedic! Copyvio was just a convenient excuse to get rid of the article. It was also deletable (but not necessarily speedily) on multiple grounds: context (what is it? possibly software but it does not say so explicitly); advertising; no evidence of notability. For those reasons I am not willing to restore it. I have e-mailed you the text. If you repost it (and I think it should be to Quran with Tafseer), I will: a) restore the deleted versions for completeness and b) send it to AfD. &mdash; RHaworth 12:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that the text is unencyclopedic, but permission does mean that the only reason given for its deletion is no longer valid. Thank you for the source, I have restored it using the source you emailed, although I'm not sure how this was easier or better than restoring it, since now you need to restore some history for attribution. Cheers. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Flower-pot Day
Hello RH: Flower-pot Day is the translation of the article “Día de la maceta” from the Wikipedia in Spanish. The celebration of the day has been assumed by relevant ecological and educative organizations as well as several trade unions and many individuals from Spain and Latin America. Miguemac —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miguemac (talk • contribs) 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ping Identity deletion
Roger, I have put more work into the Ping Identity submission you recently deleted, including importance/significance, adding a history section and providing a number of citations and references. We're close to re-submission of an entirely new entry. What I could use from you is more guidance on changes that need to be made. I have been reading other corporate entries to find the right tone. Ping is recognized for its work with open standards, namely SAML, and getting it from spec stage into corporate networks. I'm trying to capture that work within the industry. By way of background, my colleague Charles Kaufman submitted the original entry that I wrote, I am re-working the content. JFontana (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My guidance is that you should have the humility to desist and wait until someone with no COI decides that the company is notable. &mdash; RHaworth 16:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Atos Consulting
I created a page to link off the Atos Origin page entitled Atos Consulting - this is a really stupid question I know, but how do I ensure the page title is upper case? Plus when I search for it, the page doesn't show up —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBeaverhousen (talk • contribs) 09:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to Atos consulting and find near the top of the page a link called "Move"! But first: in this message I told you to start your draft by providing links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. I do not write for my own amusement - why have you ignored my advice? Also, have you tried the "My contributions" link right at the top of the screen? &mdash; RHaworth 09:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I am working on getting those sources, I have used some but they are from Atos so I am looking into adding some more from external sources. Was not intentionably ignoring your advice and I would appreciate if we kept these comments to tone that doesn't come across as angry - there's still a lot for me to learn and I did not intentionally aim to waste your time/annoy you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.201.133.240 (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Seacom engineering college
The above page appears to have been moved without redirect. The deleted article is still listed on the end of the New pages patrol log however - I was unable to see a way to remove it since the page doesn't actually exist anymore. Contacting you since you are the person listed as the mover. ialsoagree (talk) 21:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are two faults in the patrol process:
 * people should be asked to mark pages as patrolled even if they are not working from the new pages listing. I work from an RSS feed and never see the "mark page as patrolled" link. If I saw the link I would click it.
 * if a page is moved or deleted, it should drop of the list.
 * If you post these as proposed enhancements, I will endorse them. (But don't worry, all unpatrolled flags drop off after a month anyway.) &mdash; RHaworth 21:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikiworld
I believe that with this edit, User:Kaksoispiste was attempting to object to proposed deletion. With one objection to WP:PROD, I believe that any future attempts to delete the article will require an AfD instead. I have no position as to the notability of the book yet myself. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Email about WikiWorld
We just got your email about 'Wikiworld' at OTRS and have passed it on to the legal queue where it's being dealt with. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 10:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Grace Parra
You put a PROD on Grace Parra. The author of the article added a "hangon", which was clearly intended as contesting your PROD, so I have removed the PROD on the author's behalf. AfD? JamesBWatson (talk) 10:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

PokerStars
You prodded PokerStars Big Game. Please see the talk page of that article. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens (talk) 17:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Tom Clements (politician)
Can you explain why you deleted Tom Clements (politician)? I had cleaned it up a bit but I didn't notice any excessive spamming, as you noted in your edit summary.--TM 17:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC) E-mail is enabled, thanks.--TM 20:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The state I deleted consisted just of an hangon tag and had no previous edits! The state you edited was deleted by . It had several links to the guy's own website and only one independent ref. but it is probably worth having a go at deletion review. I would e-mail you the text if you had e-mail enabled. &mdash; RHaworth 20:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you de-salt the article so I can recreate it on my own?--TM 22:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are those who might seek to delete the article on the basis of its past history rather than its new content. DRV will give a much sounder authority for re-instatement. &mdash; RHaworth 23:08, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It has been listed at DRV.--TM 23:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please comment on the proposed de-salting at the September 6 DRV. Thanks--TM 18:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Frédéric Iriarte
You moved Frédéric Iriarte WT:Articles for creation/Enter your new article name here to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Frédéric Iriarte without redirect, however it is back - I was about to do the same move - don't know which CSD to tag the article with thinking G8 (housekeeping) but not sure so thought let you have a look and deal. Codf1977 (talk) 14:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The author found the version with the proper title so I killed the other one. &mdash; RHaworth 14:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Deprodding of AlloMap Molecular Expression Testing
I have removed the tag from  AlloMap Molecular Expression Testing, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks!

I have addressed the article (Allomap Molecular Diagnostic Testing) with the concerns that was raised. The references contain notable sources, as it is referenced by elite institutions such as Stanford, The FDA, and The International Society of Heart and Lung Transplantation. In addition, Oncotype DX has successfully been posted on Wikipedia for while now and we're using the same format and structure as Oncotype DX.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do that would help me keep this page up on Wikipedia. Please dont delete page if possible. If you could provide me with all the chances to edit. Thank You. Zomy Hernandez
 * Not impressed that you could not even be bothered to get the correct title for the article. Make your case at AfD. &mdash; RHaworth 09:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

AlloMap Molecular Expression Testing
Hi RHaworth,

I've provided some sources for you below however, if you recommending that I have my article deleted than that's fine. Thank you anyways for your help.

Some sources: FDA - Office of Clinical Pharmacology, Office of Translational Sciences, Center for Drug Evaluation and Research - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20136361 NY Times - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/business/23blood.html Medical News Today - http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/70268.php Department of Cardiovascular Medicine, Cleveland Clinic Foundation, Kaufman Center for Heart Failure - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17403484 University of Iowa - http://www.medicine.uiowa.edu Vanderbilt University - www.mc.vanderbilt.edu ABC7News http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/health&id=6414742 The Heart - www.theheart.org The Group Health Clinical - www.ghc.org GenomeWeb- http://www.genomeweb.com/dxpgx/xdxs-allomap-could-reduce-biopsies-heart-transplant-patients-it-better-observati

74.211.250.66 (talk) 16:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC) I dont know what happened to that last post. I was trying to edit it and for some reason things are deleting. Anyhow, the article was written by a Doctor not an employee. It was my job to post the article written by the Doctor. I can provide you with whatever you need so you can see it was not written by me but posted by me. Should I have the Docotor post the article instead? &mdash; Adinahernandez (talk) 23:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please log in before editing. What cheek! Are you seriously asking me to help you promote your company's product? My standard suggestion is: allow this version to be deleted and then wait until someone with no COI thinks the product is notable and writes about it. &mdash; RHaworth 18:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't bother. It would make no difference. &mdash; RHaworth 08:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of 0xFF.net Timetracker
Hi! Any tips on how to prevent the 0xFF.net Timetracker page from being deleted? Sure, I'm doing a promotion (of a free application) but all other timetracking software (free or commercial) are doing the same. Adding some historical facts about the application would prevent it from being deleted?

A few examples of similar pages: Fanurio Tenrox True Time Tracker Tracker (business software) Qlockwork ITimeSheet

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aha2009pt (talk • contribs) 15:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Simply do nothing! Just wait until someone with no COI decides that the software is notable. &mdash; RHaworth 17:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)