User talk:RJC/Archive 4

Crito
Hi. I think that you are correct, and that the original passage is not only right, but also important, historically. My point is not that it was not unusual for one to buy one's way out of prison. But rather that it's unsourced. If there's a source, I'd support including it. Llamabr (talk) 02:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Looking back over the text, it looks like at 44e Crito says that if Socrates does not escape, it will harm Crito, since people will think that he didn't bother paying for the release. I take it that this could mean that it was common.  I'm not sure if that's sufficient for the article, though. Llamabr (talk) 18:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * At the same time, though, he says that Socrates shouldn't worry that he'll get into trouble because he can bribe whoever would bring the charge of assisting in the escape against him. Crito has reason to exaggerate how easy it will be, calling into question how "acceptable" his action would have been; at any rate, it seems it was an indictable offense. I looked at the source I referred to again and Athenians would not pursue someone accused of unintentional homicide who went into exile before the trial, but it doesn't say anything about their accepting jail breaks by convicts (or exile by those accused of other crimes).  RJC  TalkContribs 18:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Frederic420
Hello RJC

I apologize, but the first thing which I should have done, is to introduce myself: even if it is a worsening fact, I am indeed related to the site for which I have established links… but I never sought to hide it. I did not consider only one second to make spam, and by the way, I went too quickly… however I know well the rules of wikipedia and I rather easily imagine the problems which the “external links” might create for those who have the difficult burden to fight against the abuses.

Information that I give is relevant, namely that a whole of free audio books on the author sought by the Net surfer is accessible on our site. As well as those of Librivox (who are doing an excellent work) or Ebook of the Gutenberg project, our philosophy is close (even if we are smaller) and our process is going in the same direction. The only difference is the language and I thought (and I always think) that,since it's here all about famous French-speaking authors, the possibility of finding, through a simple click, audio versions in the original language was legitimate and enriching pieces of information for all those who wish to learn the language… or quite simply to go close to the original text.

It would be, perhaps, interesting to have the opinion of other English-speaking "wikipedians", before definitively solving this issue ?

Yours sincerely, Frederic

--Frederic420 (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the information Rjc ! So now i know the particular rules for the non-english external links. It’s seems like normal for Louis Pergaud. But not really for athe other links, i will see … Thanks again. --Frederic420 (talk) 13:53, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Meno's house slave
Meno's slave-boy is a house slave, not a slave working in the fields. It is unfortunate that the "actually existing" article house slave is restricted to U.S. slavery, as opposed to a global perspective (as is English WP policy). Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 14:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * True, he is a house slave, but the article is not about a house slave. It is about a Platonic dialogue.  So I think it would be inappropriate to categorized the article on the dialogue under "house slaves."   RJC  TalkContribs 17:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You are correct. I lifted and edited the section on the House-slave from the main article on Meno. (It's a pity that nobody has written on Xenophon's account of Meno on WP, as far as I know.) Best regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 19:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for your latest edit. The reader interested in the Platonic dialogue should first go to the main article, and so it was appropriate that you removed the material about Plato, etc. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

National liberalism
You were right to rollback my last edit on national liberalism: sorry about that. However, as far as I know Wikipolitique, even if it is based on a wiki platfrom, is a website by a respected French journalist and he is the only editor of the website. I consider it a reliable source. --Checco (talk) 18:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Ius naturale
Hi there, it was not me who wrote http://theunitedpersons.org/blog/jus-naturale-jus-gentium-jus-civile : it was exclusively(!) Gaius, Ulpianus and Iustinianus. Pls check the post and its references. Thank you: P. Mazsa (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Would it be possible for you to link to the primary sources on a different site and tie them in to the article text (rather than citing them en masse after the first sentence)? We're not really supposed to promote our blogs.  RJC  TalkContribs 02:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * My problems:
 * The primary sources are huge, they need cut&paste
 * and, if you don't want to link it to secondary source, some tie is necessary in to the article text as well, as you wrote
 * this is not me who will wrote it: my english is too bad for this
 * but if nobody will write it, the Reader would be better off with that secondary link I inserted.
 * Options:
 * publish the original compilation somewhere else, and link to it? (this solves the blog-promotion problem)
 * somebody else will write the ties? (this is not how wikipedia works)
 * leave the link?
 * leave the Readers without this info? (I think this is the far worst solution).
 * What do you suggest? P. Mazsa (talk) 12:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We could find online editions of the works and link to them in an "External Links" section.  RJC  TalkContribs 13:09, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * cf.
 * Gaius: Institutiones, § 1. (published in CE160)
 * vs. Iustinianus: Digesta (law in force from CE533.12.30) (http://web.upmf-grenoble.fr/Haiti/Cours/Ak/ –> Lingua Anglica –> The Digest or Pandects of Justinian…Scott) –> Book I. –> Concerning justice and law, 1. [Excerpt from] Ulpianus, Book I, Institutes (published between CE211-222)
 * vs. Iustinianus: Institutiones (law in force from CE533.12.30) (http://web.upmf-grenoble.fr/Haiti/Cours/Ak/ –> Lingua Anglica –> The Institutes of Justinian…Moyle) –> Book I., Tit. 1, (1., 3., 4.), Tit. 2, (1., 2.)
 * ??? Nobody will use it:( P. Mazsa (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Any idea? What about "publish the original compilation somewhere else, and link to it? (this solves the blog-promotion problem)"? P. Mazsa (talk) 00:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You could see if it exists on Wikisource, though they would again have to be put in different articles.  RJC  TalkContribs 12:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Angerfist
Hello RJC, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Angerfist - a page you tagged - because: 'Dozens of interwiki, Mutilate'' charted. Suggest using AfD if deletion is to be pursued.''' Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. (talk) 18:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Reversion at Plato
Thanks for reverting my reversion at Plato — I'd missed the edit comment and, as you point out, it is just an unsupported opinion.

All the best. –Syncategoremata (talk) 20:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you RJC
RJC (talk), thank you so much for the warm welcome. Sorry for missing the summary field. I will do my greatest to fill it out, at all times. Cheers.DelianDiver (talk) 13:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Notification
As you have commented in an ANI thread or RfC relating to User:Pedant17, this is to notify you that the same user's conduct is being discussed here, along with sanction proposals. Ncmvocalist (talk) 13:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Attention to another AfD
There are a few other articles out there like the bio of Jeffrey_Herebener: possible Mises Institute vanity pages for non-notable academics with WP:PROF and WP:UNDUE problems. One more, that of Jörg Guido Hülsmann has been nominated for deletion. After having seen your constructive input in the Herebener discussion, I thought I'd post this message here. Thanks Bkalafut (talk) 01:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Nightwish discography
Hi, can you vote here please? Thank you. DreamNight (talk) 13:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

The Modern Art of War
Hi RJC, forgive me for being blunt but I can't see how you can regard offering a book for free as 'advertising' or promotional in nature. The commons-based approach adopted by Wikipedia actually inspired me to create the Society for Open Digital Literature; a place where talented writers can offer their work for free online. It is non-profit and has been crafted with the same philosophy as Wikipedia, so I am struggling to find a basis for why it has been rejected. Semaj Iksvoklisov (talk) 08:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Promotion does not have to be commercial in nature. Plugging a free ebook called the Modern Art of War on all of the pages related to Sun Tzu because he wrote a book called the Art of War is frowned upon, per WP:LINKSPAM.   RJC  TalkContribs 16:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi RJC, reading the LINKSPAM section, I can see how it might be frowned upon to simply add a book on the external references section just because it is relevant to the subject; my mistake. I would still like to improve the wikipedia entries on 'Sun Tzu' and 'The Art of War' with references from the book. A lot of research has gone into it and I would be more than happy to contribute. Would that be in line with Wikipedia's rules? Semaj Iksvoklisov (talk) 06:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * We're always looking for more contributors, especially when it helps to verify information in the encyclopedia! I've added the welcome menu to your talk page, which has some good introductions to how Wikipedia works.  References to works that formed the foundation of the book will probably count as reliable sources.  Happy editing!   RJC  TalkContribs 13:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi RJC, I had a read of the welcome menu you added to my talk page and I made another contribution. I hoping this one will be more in line than my previous entry :) Semaj Iksvoklisov (talk) 06:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: WP:IRS
If you're not going to contribute constructively to the conversation than can you please not contribute at all. Thank you. Soxwon (talk) 21:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I would say that suggesting that an RfC on whether FoxNews has permanently lost its status as a reliable source is not going to produce a good conversation is about as constructive a contribution as could have been had, given the circumstances. Invitations to irresolvable partisan bickering are not generally a good starting place for discussions.  If you don't like that I couched my remark sarcastically, well, sarcasm was the gentlest tone summonable given the message that was to be conveyed.  RJC  TalkContribs 22:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I understood the sarcasm, but felt that it did not fit the situation. I did not add Fox News nor did I plan on it and to compare the White House press releases and Free Republic to MMFA, HP, and WND is completely absurd. I think that, with enough voices, the conversation could indeed produce some fruitful results. Soxwon (talk) 02:55, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

RfC on MMfA at WP:RS
RJC, I've started the RfC regarding MMfA, MRC, FAIR, Newsbusters etc. at WP:RS. (Wow, that's a lot of acronyms.) Please continue to participate on the Reliable Sources Talk page here. Skoal. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 21:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Reliable or not: Robert K. G. Temple on Chinese and world history
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion on Temple's reliability here. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 08:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

RfC: Partisan sources
I have proposed an edit for the mainspace of an important Wikipedia policy, the Identifying reliable sources policy. Essentially, I believe that some sources are so partisan that using them as "reliable sources" invites more problems than they're really worth. You've previously participated in the RfC on this subject, or another related discussion indicating that you are interested in this important policy area. Please indicate here whether you support or oppose the proposed edit. The original discussion is here. Thanks. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 01:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for mediation
I created a request for mediation here. Please offer your comments. --Mcorazao (talk) 14:54, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI notice
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Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage
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