User talk:RSLLX

I have finally reviewed fully all the emails sent to me, regarding my article ‘Sara Radstone’( I am RSLLX). Lots of questions ,but firstly Why have all the books been removed from the bibliography/ originally in separate category ‘publications’, - they have been referenced and are clearly verifiable, secondly, how does one supply scans of articles to editors, eg ‘Ceoil’, thirdly, how does one do a dedicated exhibitions section, ( rather than in the main body of the text), fourthly,so many ‘editors’ on here seem to presume that there is a conflict of interest- I am simply someone who has been aware of her work, but never purchased any , for quite some time, fifthly, many editors have alluded to the need for verification beyond the ceramic world. I am surprised they do not know that ( unless a male wears female clothes) it is very difficult to get confirmation in the art world. To quote Sara Kent, once Art Editor Time Out ‘oh it’s clay, then it is not art then’ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:9E0C:6201:E863:BB5F:2E18:CD2C (talk) 13:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sara Radstone


A tag has been placed on Sara Radstone requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Sara Radstone
I've moved this page to Draft:Sara Radstone, as it's not yet ready for Wikipedia article space and this will allow you time to work on it. What you need to bear in mind is that Wikipedia is a tertiary source; we're only interested in what other independent sources have said about her. Because this is about a living person, the requirements on sourcing are stricter than usual - this page is a bit confusing if you're not used to Wikipedia, but it's worth reading in full. &#8209; Iridescent 15:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, plus if you have a conflict of interest, you should declare this on your user page. Add referencing from any press, and online museum links to the items in better-known collections are helpful. Johnbod (talk) 15:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sara Radstone has been accepted
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Welcome!
Hello, RSLLX, and welcome to Wikipedia!&#32;Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was Sara Radstone, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article.&#32;Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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Hello
Hi RSLLX. Thank you very much for creating the Sara Radstone article, an artist I and a few other editors had been aware of and admired, and its great to see the new page. If you look at the page history, you can see that the article on Radstone has generated a lot of supportive interest, and a number of editors have gone out and found third party sources, a non-conditional requirement for any article on wiki. But we need, or rather would like, more help from you. Some of your origional draft included facts and quotes not available on line, and if you could provide them, that would be great. This is why you might queried re deleted text...see here where I am compiling bits unsupported by the citations we have found so far...if you could help with scans etc of these articles, then great, happy days, and all will be moved back to the main article.

I sincerely hope this is not stressful or annoying for you, please understand that I want this article to be as comprehensive as it can be, but if we let facts etc not supported by a source slide today, some busybody will delete them tomorrow.

Re providing sources...you can either provide the full citation to the article or article talk, or email scans to me for verification and then will update. Best. Ceoil (talk) 15:37, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Sara Radstone article
Me.. RSLLX. Have written article Sara Radstone. Questions. 1. Books that write about her, plus monographs have been taken from article- why?.. they were referenced. 2. How does one email scans to editor?.. as requested by Ceoil. 3. How does one create a dedicated section eg ‘exhibitions’.. which seems to have been currently omitted? 4. Why does ‘conflict of interest ‘ keep being mentioned? 5. Frequently demanded is ‘verification beyond ceramic world’... Anyone aware of ceramic world would know how difficult it is, ( unless one is a cross dresser)to be recognised by the Fine Art world if one is a ceramicist.. to quote, Sarah Kent, once Arts Editor Time Out, ,’oh, if it is clay, then it is not Art’. RSLLX (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , To answer question #4: One reason that people may think you have a conflict of interest is that you claim two photo's of Radstone's work ( and )as "own work". "Own work" could be interpreted as "I took this photo of Radstone's work" (which may be problematic since Radstone's work is protected by copyright) or "this is a photograph of work by me, Sara Radstone".  Maybe you want to clarify what the situation is. Vexations (talk) 12:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

RSLLX replying to 'Vexation' and 'Cullen 328' Having taken the photographs and planning to produce a wiki page on 'Sara Radstone', because I couldn't find one, I contacted the gallery that has represented the artist for many years and suggested that I write a wiki article, and they said, yes, please!, and they would get the agreement with the artist regarding use of any images. This was forthcoming and with the full agreement of Radstone. RSLLX   RSLLX (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for clarifying. You'll find Donating copyrighted materials helpful, I think. Vexations (talk) 17:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * RSLLX, let me be crystal clear: You cannot freely license photos of Radstone's artwork and neither can the gallery. The only person who can do that is Radstone herself, in writing, using the proper legal language, and with full understanding of the implications of the license. Please read and ponder the wording of the CC-BY SA 4.0 license. That license allows me or anyone else to make and sell posters, coffee mugs, t-shirts, gift cards or any other products decorated with Radstone's artwork without notifying her or paying her a penny. Is that what she really wants? Cullen328   Let's discuss it  00:32, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

How to resolve your copyright problem for photograph of ceramics
Hi RSLLX. I have noticed your questions at the Teahouse and can understand your frustration at the difficulty of getting pictures of the work of Sara Radstone into the article (note not "your article"!) about her. I have some experience with the necessary steps and thought I'd tried to help by suggesting how to proceed. The situation with photographs of works of art is particularly complicated. For example, I own many sculptures and can, obviously, take pictures of them. In copyright terms these are "derivative works" and I am not allowed to upload the images to Wikipedia Commons, or, indeed, use them anywhere commercially because the artist, not me, retains copyright of the underlying work in whatever form it exists, even as a poor photo. You appear to have taken pictures of the ceramics and as such the copyright of the photograph is yours BUT you still can't upload it or use it commercially because of the retained rights of the artist. Only she can authorise that part of the process. The way to do this on Wikipedia Commons is to use what is called the OTRS ("Open-source Ticket Request System") process, technical details of which are.

In the simplest case, which ought to apply for your photographs, Ms Radstone herself must send an e-mail to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org stating that the images you have uploaded are released by her under the standard CC-BY-SA-4.0 license which is the one you used. The point is that you, as photographer, are only allowed to give such a license for your role in taking that specific image, you can't give it on behalf of Ms Radstone as a derivative of her work. I assume that you are in contact with Ms Radstone or the Gallery where you took the photographs and hence can reach out to her. When she sends the e-mail to the permissions folk, she needs to use an e-mail address which is clearly a personal one (or one relating to her website). Once the OTRS process has completed, you'll see extra tags on the image to indicate it is now OK for use throughout Wikipedia. Take on behalf of the photographer Ed Gold for an example of this.

By all means ping me again if your have further questions or run into any more obstacles! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . I note that you have been back at the Teahouse asking about the Radstone article. The OTRS process is normally quite speedy once the volunteers there get the relevant e-mail. Did Ms Radstone copy you in on what she sent them: obviously she needs to identify which photos of her work are to be licensed? You will be able to check that the OTRS process is complete by visiting the relevant Commons pages and  and checking they have the OTRS ticket tag (as for the photo I uploaded). When you see the tag, that's the time to re-include the images in the article. Doing so before that point will only annoy other editors and cause unnecessary fuss. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I note that the images now have their OTRS ticket and have been restored to the article by the admin editor who removed them originally, so all should now be well. Please don't be put of by the problems you've had with this article, it would be great if you could continue to contribute to Wikipedia in future. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:57, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Sara Radstone Wikipedia article RSLLX
Cullen328 last week edited out the images of Sara Radstone’s work that had been part of the article Sara Radstone on the basis that her agreement had not been given regarding copyright of the images. I ( RSLLX) have been led to understand that on a personal email account she has sent to ;                               permissions-commons@wikimedia, the necessary authority/ OTRS CC-BY-SA-40/ permission. Therefore I presume that the images and captions can be re put on to the article. Please do! Also when I googled ‘Sara Radstone’ I noticed, sadly, that there was no Wikipedia link- may I ask when it occurs or how long it takes for such links to be put on. RSLLX RSLLX (talk) 13:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The Google link is beyond Wikipedia's control and is down to Google and their robots. Theroadislong (talk) 13:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The google effect is normally all but instant. On my UK search the WP bio was the 5th link down. That probably won't change much. It would be higher, but there are other SR pages from museums etc. When the OTRS code comes through the pics can be re-added.  Johnbod (talk) 14:56, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Paid editing?
You have said "I contacted the gallery that has represented the artist for many years and suggested that I write a wiki article, and they said, yes, please." Are you being paid for editing this, could you clarify please? No contact with the subject or the subject's gallery is required. Theroadislong (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I am not nor have ever been paid for my editing of Sara Radstone on wikipedia and am offended by the suggestion RSLzlX RSLLX (talk) 17:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Paid editing comment by ‘Theroadislong comment
‘Theroadislong seemed to suggest that I am being paid for my Sara Radstone editing. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am not being paid, and no one has suggested that I should- most of all me RSLLXRSLLX (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You have denied paid editing and so the matter has been resolved. There is no need to be indignant.


 * Please be aware that undisclosed paid editing is a "major" problem on Wikipedia, so it is not unusual for this type of question to be asked. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:13, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Images restored
Because the copyright issues have been resolved, I have restored the images to Sara Radstone. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:10, 1 December 2020 (UTC)