User talk:R AlexanderBoyle

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Kaaterskill Falls
I cleaned up your edits a bit ... thanks for including some of the info.

For the "first art colony in the US" bit, what would the page number in Van Zandt's book be? Given that I put a formal references section in last week, we need this as well as the usual stuff that goes in a footnote.

Also, I deleted the info about Kindred Spirits being sold to Alice Walton. It's already in the article on the painting itself, where it belongs as opposed to an article about the waterfalls. Daniel Case 22:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Daniel, The Durand, "Kindred Spirits" is a well known painting, but even that monochromatic artist would admit its technical inferiority to the Cole from 1826 in the Warner Collection. "Kindred Spirits" has so many topographical faults that if one goes to Kaaterskill Falls (hard enough these days) they would not know where to look, as it is the painting equivalent of a venture into fiction.

Alexander Boyle


 * Use my talk page, not my user page. Thanks Daniel Case 05:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, now that we cleared that up, you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. My point is that Durand's is simply the better-known painting, not the better painting, as it hung in the New York Public Library for years (DEC used to use it in its little Catskill Park brochure). We don't make comparative aesthetic judgements about artworks in Wikipedia articles. Unless we're quoting someone else's. Where am I (or the other editors who put that in) saying Church is more important? I was just noting he had painted the falls.


 * I also don't think it's necessary to go to the lengths of saying the painting is "topographically inaccurate" ... just saying it's stylized is enough. I doubt anyone has ever used it, nor will they, as a map to get to the falls.


 * A lot of this is better dealt with in the article about Kindred Spirits (and the associated talk page), which is about the painting, and not in the article about the waterfall itself. A discussion about the painting there is relevant only in the ways it combines the falls with other imagery. Daniel Case 18:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Your comments to Daniel Case
About the comment you left on Daniel Case's user page, user pages are not the correct place for user comments. I relocated it to his Talk page. -- Gogo Dodo 06:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Alex, I just started a separate ULCNY page
Alex: I see you have expanded this article. I think it would be a good idea to build a separate ULCNY page, which I have begun. I was going to go over to the Club tomorrow and shoot a digital picture, so there will be no copyright issues. - John Barnes

Tawana Brawley edit
Alex (if I may call you that), I had to remove your Tawana Brawley edit entirely from the Newburgh article. What were you thinking? That's a very egregious violation of WP:NPOV (which you've had some problems with in the past), and WP:BLP as well — especially since the CNN article you linked to has no mention of Newburgh or crack. Daniel Case 05:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC.

FYI: People Magazine citation of the Newburgh, NY binge Daniel, according to your own biography, you did not live in the Hudson valley at the time, so asserting knowledge of an incident while you were off at Syracuse University is pure conjecture, and in this case likely reflects your highly subjective association with the Working Families Party. . R AlexanderBoyle 10:30pm, 7 February 2012.
 * Wow, it took you four and a half years to respond. Anyway ... your edit was still POV. So you have a citation for the "crack" part of it ... doesn't justify anything else you wrote. Visiting Newburgh does not make one a "Newburghian", and the whole thing is tangential to the city, really, not when we already have an article about that whole mess where that can be discussed and properly sourced. My association, minimal as it is, with the WFP is of as yet-undemonstrated relevance to this discussion. Daniel Case (talk) 05:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Your own ambitions and the courtship of the Working Families Party political endorsement means you subscribe to the Sharpton School and his friends fictitious accounts of Tawana Brawley's whereabouts before her great hoax. As I was living in the area at the time, knew Steven Pagones and read the local papers, it made me a bit more qualified to offer a straight opinion than somebody seeking to perpetuate Sharpton's party prop to prominence. Recall Al Sharpton did lose a major legal case over this matter where Tawana Brawley was determined to have lied to law enforcement and indeed likely was on a crack binge in Newburgh, NY. Your Holier than Thou Neutral POV ended when you cast your lot in with an extremist political party, previously allied with ACORN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.89.130 (talk) 05:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * See WP:AGF (and fallacy of the undistributed middle) and tell me what it says. And please use your own account. Daniel Case (talk) 02:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I thought I did, but I stand corrected, I still stand by my remarks about your confirmed political aspirations seeking the Working Families Party endorsement, which means you have willfully abandoned the ideal Neutral Point of View.
 * And now you're forgetting to sign your posts. I take it from the syntax of your response that you are admitting you didn't understand AGF or the logical fallacy. But I allow that you may have meant something else ... I sought the WFP endorsement at that time because our town committee chairman, who was running for supervisor on the ticket, had suggested that the rest of us might want to do so to pick up the few dozen or so votes you get on that line (and because the Conservative and Independence lines in our town—indeed, in Orange County as a whole—are pretty much controlled by the Republican Party, and having your candidates on more than one ballot line in New York is just sound strategy for any candidate (Steve Levy ran on the Working Families line at one point too. I suppose he's another stooge of Sharpton's?). It consisted of filling out a questionnaire online, which was mostly about labor issues and had nothing about what you felt had happened to Tawana Brawley. I filled it out and got the endorsement, along with two other people. That was the extent of that in that campaign. No ACORN involvement. Every now and then I get emails and sometimes phone solicitations for money from them. I don't think they're even aware of what I do here, and I don't think they care, either (Frankly, I don't think they even care if Jimmy crack corn). I revert your edits in that department because they don't conform to NPOV, as should be obvious. I mean, if we started an article about you and it read something like "R. Alexander Boyle is a graduate of Trinity College, Hartford, who wrote an anti-business environmental whacko book on acid rain almost thirty years ago with his daddy. Since then he has recovered stolen art and is widely rumored to have consumed at least 10,000 bottles of Scotch. He is no relation to the award-winning novelist", I don't think you'd consider that neutral, and that's roughly the equivalent of what you're writing. You can stand by your remarks all you want, but I think you'll be doing it all alone. If you really want to do something helpful around here, it's my understanding that you have a decent background in art. There are plenty of articles on those subjects that could stand to be improved, and I'm not the expert. Daniel Case (talk) 06:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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