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Madrasa Al-Ashrafiyya
Thank you for starting the Madrasa Al-Ashrafiyya...I had been working (slowly!) on a draft, User:Huldra/Madrasah al-Ashrafiyya-

Do you have the Burgoyne-book? Lots of interesting info there. The ones I have started a draft on are linked on User:Huldra/Mamluk Jerusalem, cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I did see that book mentioned but unfortunately had to make do with whatever was available online. I have a lot more on Cairo, but I wrote this one on the side. Do add more! Cheers, Casual Builder (talk) 21:12, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Bab Doukkala Mosque
As a new pages patroller its a real pleasure to come across an article about neither a football player of a lump of pop music. And I do like a good mosque!TheLongTone (talk) 13:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And looking at your article on the fortifications of Fes, I'd simply publish it. The references could be better, but imo the subject is notable and the article is already better than the vast majority if new pages I come across.TheLongTone (talk) 13:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers! I'll sit on the Fortifications of Fes draft for now, at least until I can have a decent skeleton of the article up and running onto which myself and others can keep adding, but good to know it would be good to go soon. Robert Prazeres (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions!
Hi there, I'd just like to thank you for the highly valuable contributions you've been making recently to pages about historical landmarks in Morocco. إيان (talk) 20:08, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Robert Prazeres (talk) 20:30, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much!
Hey, I just wanted to thank you again for all of your very valuable contributions on Morocco-related articles. I'm part of the Wikimedia Morocco User Group, and if you're ever going to be in Morocco, or if you would otherwise like to get to know our group, don't hesitate to get in touch. إيان (talk) 19:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll keep that in mind. I haven't been since 2015 but I'm always itching to go back! Robert Prazeres (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Robert Prazeres (talk) 07:27, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

1978 Somali coup d'état attempt nominated for DYK
Hi. I nominated 1978 Somali coup d'état attempt at DYK. You can see the nomination here: Template:Did you know nominations/1978 Somali coup d'état attempt.

I encourage you to nominate future articles you create, expand 5x in size, or get to Good Article, as many of the articles at DYK are from Europe or North America.

Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Büyük Valide Han
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jamai Palace
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kasbah of Moulay Ismail
Hello! Your submission of Kasbah of Moulay Ismail at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! HaEr48 (talk) 23:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Query on mosques
Hello, and nice work on your Islamic/Middle Eastern architecture articles. Looks like you're very knowledgeable on this topic, so wondering if you can help me with two questions:
 * Muhammad al-Qunawi (d. 1524) is described as having worked at the Yeni Camii/New Mosque of Istanbul, . Any idea if this mosque still exists today, and if it is now known by a different name? I tried searching wikipedia and commons, but can't find anything to link.
 * Ibn 'Adlan (1187–1268) is desribed as having taught at the as-Salih Mosque of Cairo. Is Al-Salih Tala'i Mosque the right link target? The name and period seems to match, but al-Salih seems to be a frequent enough name of rulers at this period to make it somewhat plausible that there is another major mosque of the same name. HaEr48 (talk) 00:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks! For the first question, I'm not sure because it says (in the source) the Yeni Camii in Edirne, not Istanbul? If it's Edirne, I'm familiar with the major mosques there too but I don't actually know of any of them going by that name, so I guess we'd need more context. Maybe Yeni Camii here just refers to any "new mosque" mentioned by some historical chronicle at the time? Unfortunately I'm not sure what to think. If it was in Istanbul, there are at least a couple of major mosques known as Yeni Camii (both known more fully as Yeni Valide Camii): the most famous one is the one in Eminönü neighbourhood (see New Mosque, Istanbul), and another one is in Üsküdar neighbourhood (see Yeni Valide Mosque).
 * For the second question I'm a little more confidant. Unless the original source can clarify to the contrary, it seems much more likely that this would be a reference to the Salihiyya Madrasa, which was a major Ayyubid religious complex and learning center of its time, founded in 1242 by Sultan al-Salih Ayyub (so seemingly well within the lifetime of Ibn Adlan, though I don't know more about him). The Mosque of al-Salih Tala'i was not a madrasa; teaching could still take place in regular mosques, but by default it makes much more sense to assume it was the madrasa of that name. Since it was a multi-purpose religious complex (one of many in Cairo from this period onward), it's not unusual for other sources to refer to it simply as a "mosque", even if it was primarily a madrasa (and subsequently a mausoleum for the namesake sultan). You can also find pictures of it in the Commons here. (Note that there's currently another page, Mausoleum of Al-Saleh Nagm Al-Din Ayyub, which refers to the same building but I've already suggested it be merged into the other, just haven't come around to it yet.)
 * I hope that helps a bit! Robert Prazeres (talk) 01:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * PS: Great work by the way on improving the Qibla page and nominating it for featured article! I remember trying to write from scratch a subsection on the historical qibla in the Maghreb for the Kutubiyya Mosque page earlier this year, just shortly before, so it's great to see this topic getting a much fuller treatment. Robert Prazeres (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help. For al-Qunawi, yes you're right, the source says the new mosque of Edirne, I mistakenly typed Istanbul into your talk page. If there is no mosque going by that name I'll just leave it unlinked. You may be right that it might just be a new mosque at that time. Thank you for pointing out that Al-Salih Tala'i mosque was not a learning institution and it is more likely the Salihiyya Madrasa. No, the source does not have any more detail than saying "He had his class in as-Salih Mosque of Cairo, where he died in AH 666/AD 1268." (also, this source is an English translation from Arabic, so it is possible too that it's a translation of something like "the religious complex of Al-Salih"). One more question, the main image on the Mausoleum page is titled "Madrasah al zazer" (File:Cairo, madrasa al-zazer 02.JPG), is that the same thing? HaEr48 (talk) 03:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The image is in the correct category/page, but the file name is just a little misleading because it refers to a former adjacent monument, the Madrasa of al-Zahir Baybars, which was almost entirely demolished in modern times. So the domed structure and the minaret you see in those pictures belonged indeed to the Salihiyya complex. Robert Prazeres (talk) 04:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you. I made this adjustment to Ibn 'Adlan, does that seem appropriate to you? HaEr48 (talk) 04:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup that looks fine to me. Robert Prazeres (talk) 05:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! And as for qibla, feel free to participate or add your opinion in the FAC if you're interested, or just let me know if you have any feedback! HaEr48 (talk) 16:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kasbah of Moulay Ismail
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Victorian Turkish bath
Sorry about the brief deletion; I didn't see your edit summary saying you'd taken content from Turkish bath before I ran the copyvio tool. I've undone my mistake. Schazjmd  (talk)  23:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'm still in the process of giving making needed links and so on. R Prazeres (talk) 23:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Messages
Just sent you an email. I probably should have used this page (?) but this is the first time I've ever contacted anyone on wiki. What I should do here though is add my voice to those who have thanked you for all the hard work you've done on the Turkish Bath page. It is really so much better now.Ishpoloni (talk) 08:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Ishpoloni 2 October 2020
 * Thanks! I'm glad it helped. And for the Victorian Turkish bath page, don't hesitate to improve according to what you think is best; Western architecture isn't my strong suite so I wasn't planning on adding more to it. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Tahtakale Hamam
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Minbar of the Ibrahimi Mosque
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi what make you delete my article every time?
. Thetranslaterofhistory (talk). 22:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Thetranslaterofhistory, the reasons for reverting your edits are indicated to you every time in the edit summaries, so you should pay attention to feedback from other editors. Read the links that we give you (such as Verifiability, No original research, Consensus dos and don'ts, etc), and make sure you understand and respect Wikipedia guidelines and policies before you edit. While you are welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, it's your responsibility to make sure your edits are improving the article in the right way; other editors can clean up small mistakes, but not big ones. If you remove a lot of content and then add a lot of content, and your changes are not reliably sourced or not clearly justified, other editors will revert it. This is an encyclopedia that everybody reads, so that's why it's important to make sure it is always improving, becoming clearer, and becoming more reliable.
 * I suggest that you start by making smaller edits and practice basic functions like inserting citations correctly to support them. When you're trying out something new make sure you look for any Wikipedia policies or guidelines that might tell you how to do it. (For example, if you want to add some pictures, look at MOS:IMAGES first.) If there are problems with a particular article and you're not sure how to fix it, or if you make an edit on a page and it's reverted by another editor, you should go to the talk page for that article and explain yourself there or ask for help (as per BOLD, revert, discuss cycle). Do not simply redo your edits without making sure you've addressed the feedback given by other editors, or it will be reverted again and you could be accused of edit-warring (see WP:EDITWAR). I hope this helps. R Prazeres (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

We may have another one: User: Castilespringx1 began a few days back with (a major rewrite reverted as copyvio), which is not particularly diagnostic, but followed it with  (remove mention of slaves of non-Arab ethnicity),  (another article rewrite immediately reverted),  (replaced 'Bedouin' with 'Arab'),  (removed mention of parallel Hebrew origin of the name, making it exclusively Arab),  (removed reference to Moors from cited content). I don't know that behaviorally it is a perfect match, but four of the six edits fit the pattern, so probably worth keeping an eye on. Agricolae (talk) 14:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. It does look familiar. The targeting of Emirate of Sicily and the style of the edit summaries also makes it more so. R Prazeres (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Great Mosque of Tlemcen
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

CheckUser and IPs
Just FYI, since you mentioned it at SPI, generally a CheckUser is not an option on IPs because it effectively entails WP:OUTING (plus if the person is using a proxy server, it may not be indicative). Except foor rare circumstances, CheckUser is restricted to comparing among logins. A call on socking by IPs, or comparing IPs to logins, is based solely on WP:DUCK patterns of behavior. Agricolae (talk) 18:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Right, that makes perfect sense. I don't think I meant to actually suggest it that way but thanks for pointing it out, I'll be less casual about it in the future. R Prazeres (talk) 18:43, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations
Your DYK hook about the Great Mosque of Tlemcen and its ornamental Almoravid dome drew 5,425 page views (452 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of March as shown at Did you know/Statistics. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 21:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks! R Prazeres (talk) 22:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

SPI
Hello, you (and perhaps also ) might want to know about this SPI. Apaugasma (talk&#124;contribs) 11:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Madrasa Umm al-Sultan Shaban
Hey User:R_Prazeres I was planning on adding a bit more to the page but wanted to work along with you. I would like to add a section on the actual endowment deed of the madrasa, update some of the information in the historical background section, and add more primary source citations. Mamlukist (talk) 19:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Mamlukist, that's a great idea, go for it. (And my edits were just suggestions for format, so no don't feel like they're final.) I don't have most of my books on this subject with me right now, so I might not be able to help much with content, but if you want I can have a look at the article again when you're finished and make suggestions on layout/style, if there's any to be made. Thanks for your work. R Prazeres (talk) 19:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi R_Prazeres. I just didn't want to step on anyone's toes since I am the newcomer. Thanks for the help! Mamlukist (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Not at all, I just tried to get some of these topics started, but they're always there to be improved. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:R_Prazeres I've suggested a new Wikiproject WikiProject Council/Proposals/Historic Monuments in Cairo for Historic Monuments of Cairo. Would be grateful if you could support. Mamlukist (talk) 20:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Recent Edit
Apologies regarding my recent edit, I should have specified what exactly the WP:OR was in the edit summary. In the Capture of Tlemcen (1550) I had removed it because the involvement of the “Pashalik of Algiers” seemed incorrect as Tlemcen was a Spanish vassal at the time of its capture and had been since the Janissaries were driven out by the Spaniards in 1547.

“In 1547 Alcaudete returned to the charge once more, entered Tlemcen and again set up a puppet ruler ; but by this time his Turkish rivals had learned what the Spaniards were apparently never able to comprehend , namely , the futility of all efforts to maintain control through vassal kings. In the spring of 1552 the redoubtable Hassan Corso, sent in from Algiers , conquered Tlemcen”

“In 1547, in order to bring aid to the strongpoint of Mostaganem , besieged by the Count of Alcaudete , the janissaries had to abandon Tlemcen , the king of which became once more a client of Spain”

Thanks.
 * Hi Kabz15, thanks for the reply, but your edit didn't really change that item on the page. You mostly removed material from other items. So that wasn't the problem.
 * Even on your point here: the Campaign of Tlemcen (1551) isn't solely about Tlemcen, as the Saadian army moved against the Ottomans after occupying Tlemcen. You should also consult multiple sources on this point, because based on Abun Nasr's book on pages 155-157, it seems that the Ottomans had reinstalled their own client Zayyanid ruler (Muhammad, followed by al-Hassan) shortly after defeating the Spanish in 1547, but apparently didn't leave an Ottoman garrison. So the Spanish puppet ruler was already gone by then it seems. If anything, the Zayyanids could probably be added in the list of combatants here, even if they were just vassals at this point.
 * One suggestion I could make is that unless your revisions or very minor or are closely related, try not to make major unrelated changes to more than one item at a time in the same edit. This makes it easier for you to explain your edit to others and also for others to review your edits independently.
 * PS: On a side-note, please avoid citing Comer Plummer III as a source, as his book appears to be self-published and therefore not a reliable source. (It's not an issue for your comment here, just a notice for any future edits since you cited him here.)
 * Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 20:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Question on Moussine
Sorry, I do not have Gaston Deverdun at hand. In the article on the Mosque I read " that the name derives from an Arabic word like "muwasiyyin" which could denote the former presence of craftsmen". Why just "craftsmen"? Doen't Deverdun write of knife makers? 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:BD04:31F5:8478:D28B (talk) 16:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * On the page in question he only speaks of artisans, without specifying further. He may speak of knife makers in the area at some other point, but I stuck to what the source was saying on this particular point. Also, just a reminder that these types of questions should generally go on the talk page of the relevant page (i.e. Mouassine Mosque), not on the talk page of the user who made the edit; it's fine if the question is for me alone, but in general it helps to have it on the talk page there so that other editors can easily see any discussion that's relevant to the page. If you want to make sure a particular user is notified of a comment on another talk page, you can also tag them using this method. R Prazeres (talk) 17:40, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just to show that muwasiyyin are knife makers: https://tajinequiparle.com/francais-arabe-marocain/couteau/ 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:5558:97B:D9D5:91A3 (talk) 19:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've looked at another relevant article (Almela 2019, "Religious Architecture as an Instrument for Urban Renewal: Two Religious Complexes from the Saadian Period in Marrakesh") and the author mentions exactly the same thing, but also adds, like Deverdun, that the etymology is not certain and that the current form of the name doesn't match the exact derivation expected from that source, so it's still up to debate. That said, I'll add this to the article later today because it's clearly relevant. Thanks for noticing. R Prazeres (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually I re-read Deverdun and I was mistaken: he does indeed say knife-makers in the same paragraph. When I read the passage the first time I got a different sense out of it for some reason but it's clear from reading it again in context. R Prazeres (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Glad to have been able to contribute. BTW, is Deverdun available as pdf? thanks 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:4DF3:3C86:47D1:A4A9 (talk) 05:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sadly no (and believe me I have looked for it, lol). I'm only able to consult it thanks to a physical copy. R Prazeres (talk) 05:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

File nominated for deletion
Hi, R Prazeres !

I recently nominated a page on Wikipedia for deletion. Could you give your opinion on the discussion page in question since you are contributor on these kind of topics? Thank you!



Medina alzahira
Bonjour, merci pour les développements sur Medina Alzahra. Je ne m'occupe pas trop de en:WP, mais c'est un joli travail. En ce qui concerne la partie sur Medina Alzahira (qui m'intéresse particulièrement), le consensus s'est beaucoup affiné depuis 30 ans, et il est acquis que la forteresse est à l'Est de Cordoue, avec des hypothèses fortes sur deux localisations particulières. Voir l'article que j'ai rédigé sur le sujet (et dont je m'étonne qu'il ne soit pas en anglais) fr:Madinat_al-Zahira. v_atekor (talk) 07:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merci pour le compliment et merci pour l'info! Un emplacement à l'est semblait être l'hypothèse la plus commune, mais pas encore confirmé pour le moment, en attendant des fouilles archéologiques. Mais je vais modifier la formulation sur la page pour être plus clair, car l'hypothèse d'un emplacement à l'ouest semble certainement pas celle de la majorité. R Prazeres (talk) 14:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Autopatroller
Hi R Prazeres, thanks for writing those articles on architecture. I have set your account as wp:Autopatrolled. Regards  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  10:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Spelling of Marrakech/Marrakesh
Hello, I noticed you reverted my edits about spelling in Marrakech, and I was wondering why you deemed it as "inappropriate". The spelling changes were made to accurately correspond to how Marrakech is commonly spelled in Morocco (on all signage, maps, documents, etc.). Thanks. --2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:D0B:C624:F30D:6913 (talk) 00:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, that's not the common spelling in English and it's not the name used for the article itself (see WP:ENGLISH), therefore it is inappropriate to systematically change names across Wikipedia articles without first soliciting a consensus to do so. If you would like to discuss changing the article name or solicit consensus on the issue, I suggest you bring this up at the talk page for Marrakesh (Talk:Marrakesh). The same goes for other city names (though I'd suggest you make your arguments at one page first and if successful there you could then bring it up at other pages). Sincerely, R Prazeres (talk) 00:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again and thank you for your response. I was not familiar of WP:ENGLISH at first so thanks for bringing that into light. Since my edit for changing "Marrakesh" to "Marrakech" was reverted so quickly, I don't see the need for me to go to Talk:Marrakesh for a consensus because I doubt I'll get one (according to WP:ENGLISH as you mentioned), I think it will be best to leave it as it is, "Marrakesh" and "Marrakech" are close enough anyway, with nearly identical pronunciations. I also dug through some of the sources in the article, most of which spelled "Marrakesh", so obviously it's not worth going any further to change the spelling again. Regards. --2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:D0B:C624:F30D:6913 (talk) 00:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, I would also guess that it wouldn't reach consensus, to be honest, but I wanted to let you know of the options. There have been a couple of discussions recently about changing the name of the Fez, Morocco page, for example, and they didn't go anywhere. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 00:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for adding | this by the way. --2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:D0B:C624:F30D:6913 (talk) 00:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Ulucami for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ulucami is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. --Bejnar (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I wish to undo your deletion of material
Hi, I just noticed your removal. One of the elements discussed in th removed text may be seen here. If you do not mind, I wish to undo the removal and add this link as reference. It is difficult to find textual references for this graphic phenomenon. There is a similar art on the eastern portal of Niğde Alaaddin Mosque, a contemporary, consisting of shadow lines depicting the face of a woman. Cobanyastigi (talk) 15:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Cobanyastigi. As you know, content doesn't belong on Wikipedia unless it can be verified with reliable sources, and a post on Pinterest is not a reliable source. I don't see anything about it on MuslimHeritage.com either, which also wouldn't particularly be a reliable source either. The claim itself sounds dubious and I would argue that under WP:EXCEPTIONAL it needs even stronger sourcing than other, less disputable claims. I've read or looked through multiple scholarly studies on this mosque and this is never mentioned. If you can present a reliable, independent source that presents this claim, you can add it, as long as it is also carefully worded to reflect the source.
 * In fact the same material at Niğde Alaaddin Mosque should also be mostly removed, as it is clearly also WP:OR. The cited source, which isn't by a scholar and not published in a scholarly context, might be enough to support the idea that it's a local legend, but that's about it. R Prazeres (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I'm a professor organizing the #StudentsOfIslamicArt Wikipedia edit-a-thon, and wanted to say thank you for your collegial and supportive comments on my students' creation of the new article on the Mausoleum of Shajar al-Durr. You not only helped them improve the article, but you modeled a courteous and professional online interaction for them, which is what Wikipedia should be all about. Have a kitten as a token of my gratitude for helping them learn what a great place Wikipedia is!

ArtsOfIslam (talk) 19:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC) 
 * My pleasure! Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

About the Saadians map
I saw your former edits on the saadi dynasty map [|Here], i really appreciated it along with all your works and efforts to improve moroccan related articles, the newest map added by @Askelaaden still requires a lot of work, as it differs largely from the map cited on the source, also don't you think it should include temporarily controlled regions like Telmcen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.157.172.68 (talk) 21:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, the map is based directly on a published atlas as cited on its description page and I've even revised it myself, so I don't see any problem with it. There is no particular need to indicate areas of temporary occupation, as this is just an overview map and it's not really normal practice to do so unless the occupation was significant. If you are one of the users who has been repeatedly changing the map, please stop doing this as it constitutes edit-warring and it could eventually result in the page being locked to prevent further editing by most users. If you want to discuss a disagreement or any issue with the article, please do so on the article's talk page, but you must also respect the consensus of editors. R Prazeres (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Medersa Bou Inania, Meknès, Maroc ?
Dear R.,

Thanks for your attentive refutation of a photograph: indeed NOT in Fes, Morocco. File:ASC Leiden - van Achterberg Collection - 07 - 032 - Une cour avec une fontaine et une galerie, Medersa Bou Inania, Meknès - Maroc - Début des années 1990.jpg - i have corrected the title. However, it seems to be Medersa Bou Inania, Meknès, Maroc, not the Mausoleum of Mouley Ismail, Meknes: look at the mosaic. Thank you, Sincerely, Hansmuller (talk) 12:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You agree?
 * Hi, thanks for your attention to it. But no it's not the Medersa Bou Inania; if it was, the arches would be different and the walls completely covered in decoration. You can see in this picture (or others in the same category):


 * While some of the mosaic patterns may repeat in both monuments (which is common), if you look at the wider mosaics you'll see they're different too. Compare instead with these pictures from the courtyard of the Mausoleum of Moulay Ismail:


 * As you can see the arches are the same, the mosaics, the small band of stucco, and even the lanterns are the same, etc. I've been to these places a few times (I don't know if you have as well) so I recognized it immediately. Do you mind if you change it again back to specify the Mausoleum? Thanks again, R Prazeres (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * PS: I forgot to add the "reply-to-" template to my original response so I added it after. Apologies if that generated any repetitive notifications to you. R Prazeres (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

horseshoe arch
This is regarding an edit you just reverted https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1089583493

1) It is not contradicted by other cited sources as it talks about "pointed horseshoe arch"

2)My source is reliable. The snippet wasn't showing but this info was visible in search result

I request you to make modifications and re-add my edit 223.233.64.207 (talk) 17:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You're right, my apologies. I missed the word "pointed" and so it looked like someone was just trying to contradict the rest of the discussion about the horseshoe arch in general. I've reverted my revert. I might look for a more recent source to add, if possible, but the statement works in that context. Thanks for following up. R Prazeres (talk) 18:09, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Tashfiniya Madrasa
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for your recent additions to Alam (finial). I have no idea why I started the article, and had completely forgotten about it, but it's looking much better. Blue skies, MinorProphet (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers, thanks! R Prazeres (talk) 15:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Bayezid II Mosque Images
Ok. could you please explain me why not I cannot improve this article by adding images with higher resolution. The aim is to see the details. and clearly if this monument had a restoration recently. It makes more sense to add the images after the restoration since the building now resembles the original work. It doesnt make any sense to me to keeping the older images here. For the people who study archicture yes the image quality sometimes matters cos it is the only way to catch the details on the stonework and there is a clear difference between the two versions. Please if you dont have any other relevant reason. Could you revert your changes.

As you can see from the image that I shared below. This image is not very useful since what I see is not the arhictectural features but simply pre restoration dirt and rust. The aim should be to give an idea about the architectural features so indeed it doesnt matter the restoration process and how the actual building looks like today or how it was looking the day it was built.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayezid_II_Mosque,_Istanbul#/media/File:2007-03-11_03-17_Istanbul_032_Beyazit_Moschee_(2718629740).jpg

Metuboy (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Metuboy, sorry I was finishing a separate comment about this on your talk page before I saw your own questions here. If you don't mind, I would prefer to continue this discussion there too, so that we're not talking in two places simultaneously. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 20:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Category:Architecture of the Taifas has been nominated for deletion
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Multifoil arches
, great, that sounds good. I'm having a look too, but you might be more familiar with the topic. By the way, please write talk page comments (like this) on the talk page itself, so it makes it clearer what someone is responding to. R Prazeres (talk) 03:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. All I know so far about the development of mutifoil arches in the Indian subcontinent is that they were a characteristic feature of Kashmiri architecture and other surrounding regions who also made further changes like the Hindu Shahis went from the trefoil to their own unique cinquefoil. Multifoil arches were only made prevalent across the subcontinent during the Mughal era. And also, there seems to be a break in the continuity between post-Islamic rule and the entry of Mughals. It is not known if those ancient Indian arches ever influenced the Mughals.
 * Everything's talked about it in here (The Temples of the Indus) but neither my university or library has access to it.
 * https://brill.com/view/title/18800
 * There is a short review of the book though talking very little about arches.
 * https://networks.h-net.org/node/22055/reviews/22245/lahiri-meister-temples-indus Aftarsid (talk) 04:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That's great! I found a few things, also about Kashmiri architecture. I'm about to add them to the article. I do have access to that book and I was about to look at it but I have to stop for now. I'll see what I can find in it later. Glad to know we found some of the same things, that's reassuring. Thanks for this. R Prazeres (talk) 04:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad I was of help. Thank you. Aftarsid (talk) 04:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_architecture
I suggest you are more careful with the language you use on your comments. There is nothing stupid about making a clear distinction between Spanish and Portuguese history and culture… unless of course, you are ignorant about these topics and facts. The Moorish influence is one of the most clear differences between both Iberian nations: Spain and Spanish language and culture were all way more influenced by the Islamic world than Portugal or its’ language and culture. Those differences contributed to the formation of two distinct Nations and identities, with separate histories. P.S. Thank you for the alternative version, much neater and factual. Melroross (talk) 17:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of WP:CIVIL and my comment was actually earnest, though I apologize for being too terse in the moment. You didn't seem to get the point that that was a minor parenthetical designed to give readers a very quick and general geographic and chronological range for the architectural style in question (whose actual distribution is much more complicated), not a history lesson about the national history of Spain and Portugal, for which information can be found in the linked articles instead. It was not meant to imply that Portugal was under Muslim rule until 1492, just as it did not imply that most of Spain was under Muslim rule up until 1492 (as it wasn't), and the fact that this part of the lead was stable for years suggests that most people didn't read it that way either. A clearer wording is always welcome, but you turned it into a mess (look at how it reads here) just to insert an historical outline that can be easily found by readers elsewhere and whose specificity defeats the purpose of that sentence. You previously made a similar edit here (reverted) which was also throwing off the point of that paragraph in introducing Mudéjar architecture, for which the dates 1249 and 1492 are only partially relevant. The fact that you did this again in the lead, in that manner, personally left me annoyed and this was reflected in my wording: a better wording would have been that your edit was counter-productive to the article. Next time, don't assume other editors are ignorant, and pay attention to the purpose of the content, and bring it up on the talk page if you think there's a systemic problem with the article's content. Happy editing, R Prazeres (talk) 18:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello hamza31100 is my old account but i dont have my passeword so i create another account 86.69.237.239 (talk) 18:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi; ok, you should answer this on your talk page so the reason is visible for other editors. I will post a response there with some instructions. R Prazeres (talk) 18:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the help and great inspiration you have provided me with! :)
I am aspiring architect and was feeling VERY lost while working on my thesis this year. I sturggled finding enough sources covering Levantine architectural history and was feeling discouraged for that was what I wanted to study(family heritage and whatnot). Your countless articles helped me find my footing and the sources truly guided me through my research. From the bottom of my heart, thank you <3

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Asking for help to edit an article
Hi, I want to do some edits to the Harira article, in fact i want to precise that it's prepared in western algeria and not all of algeria, i've done the edit and i've given a source but some editor reverted it, also i've left a message in the talk section of the harira article and no one answered, i hope you can help me. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 13:33, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, I can't help you directly as I don't edit on that particular topic, and I would have to make my own judgement about it anyways. But here is my general advice, if helpful:
 * I'd recommend that you consult more sources and see what you find (make sure they're reliable sources). If there are consistent claims about western Algeria as you say, then present what you found at the talk page as clearly as you can (e.g. include page numbers and, if the source isn't visible to everybody, quote the most relevant passage if you can). Keep it impersonal, even if you don't like what another editor is saying. Even if you don't convince one editor, other editors can join the discussion at any point in the future. If there's no consensus, though, you must accept that not every proposed change to an article is accepted.
 * Let me also suggest this: if it's true that harira is especially associated with Tlemcen or western Algeria, then this seems like the type of information that could be added in the main body of the article (e.g. maybe a lower section about harira in different regions). This would be a good way to introduce the point without trying to limit the scope of the topic in the article's first sentence, which is a more controversial approach that would need clearer evidence from sources. It sounds reasonable to me for the lead of the article to just say "Algeria" in this case, as the lead section is supposed to be just a summary that sets the general scope of the topic. R Prazeres (talk) 20:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your helpful advices, i'll follow them as possible as i can. Thanks! Simoooix.haddi (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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I am late perhaps....
Hi @R Prazeres, I am Aafi and I happen to be founder of DCW, a thematic user group affiliate of Wikimedia Foundation which focuses on Muslim academia and scholarship (historical and contemporary). I'd be glad if you take a look at the Meta-Wiki page and see if you can help with this as well. Best, ─ The Aafī   (talk)  11:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I noticed your userpage today and I feel your contributions and assistance could help strengthen the DCW more. Best regards, ─ The Aafī   (talk)  11:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind message ! From a quick look, I'm not sure I have much to contribute to the current topics listed here (though I may be underestimating the scope of the project). My specialty is more on architecture and/or the Mediterranean regions of the Muslim world; if there are any aspects of the project that touch close to that, I can suggest that any members should feel free to ping or message me and I'll be happy to have a look. Sincerely, R Prazeres (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @R Prazeres, your articles such as Madrasa al-Ashrafiyya, Madrasa of Amir Sunqur Sa'di, Zahiriyya Library and others are pretty much under the scope of the DCW. Since madrasas and libraries or anything similar at the least is part of the "scholarship" imo. The topics listed are just proposed by editors about subjects they are interested to work on. You can also propose articles from the region you are interested in, whether that's a contemporary thing or historical one. The affiliate is revising its focus and scope and your contributions can help it grow. The affiliate looks forward to supporting editors who contribute tirelessly on subjects that are relevant to its focus. ─ The Aafī   (talk)  10:43, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. If I have time to contribute more along those lines, I'll keep this group in mind!
 * If helpful, off the top of my head, the University of al-Qarawiyyin and University of Ez-Zitouna, the oldest "universities" in North Africa, should ideally get more attention on their scholarly and academic histories (I've covered the mosques' architecture and some general history). It's something probably a little beyond my own strengths, but I could assist anyone with that in the future, if there's interest. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 18:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @R Prazeres, please include these in the proposed articles list. Hopefully, some volunteers from the DCW would at the least work on Urdu and other language Wikipedias at the least, if not here. ─ The Aafī   (talk)  06:21, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Done! R Prazeres (talk) 00:00, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Saadian Tombs
Saadian Tombs. Very good article. I did a little "spiffing" and gave it a "B" class-rating. As you are the major contributor, you ought to put it up for Good Article. (A map is all it needs, but I don't know how to add such a feature.) Also, as it is a tourist feature you should check to see what WikiVoyage says. Thanks, and Happy Editing. – S. Rich (talk) 23:04, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I've thought about it actually, so it's helpful to hear it's on the right footing. It's just a matter of having the time at some point to devote to any needed revisions. By the way, I removed this, which looks like maybe an accidental glitch in the AutoEd script? R Prazeres (talk) 23:17, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

History of Algeria
Hi @R Prazeres, since i've read in your user page that you're interested in North african history and i've noticed that you're already editing on this topic, i think you're the one who would help in this issue: lately the History of Algeria article has known many disruptive edits by adding copied content from other history articles (most of which has no place there) by the user @Italiancorsair, i tried to restore an old safe version but some editors disagreed with me, I hope you'd check it and fix it as possible as you can.

Simoooix.haddi (talk) 17:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @R Prazeres: don't fall for the manipulation by the single purpose account. M.Bitton (talk) 17:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton Like it or not, that article is dirupted and must be fixed soon. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 18:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Simoooix.haddi, I've previously given you advice already (above) on how to approach disagreements with other editors, so please refer to that advice. You should not ask me here to go and "fix" an article under dispute. The place to discuss improvements to an article is the talk page of that article. R Prazeres (talk) 20:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Note
I never like to drop a remark on a talk page noting issues with an article and then just disappear, but I just have too much IRL stuff on my plate over the next few weeks to risk more than a brief glance at Wikipedia, and if I'm being honest most of my recent activity has been while multitasking.

Anyway hopefully I should have some uninterrupted time to put into content work in within a few weeks, or at least months, so in case I forget if you notice me actively editing feel free to drop a reminder that some help is needed over at History of Morocco etc. and I'll try to pitch in a bit, thanks. 74.73.224.126 (talk) 17:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Very understandable. I don't have as much time as I'd like anymore either. And thanks for your input, it helps to have someone with a cool head intervene in discussions to re-center the issues. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 17:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Awraba
Hi @R Prazeres, I wanted to tell you that i have just created an article about the Awraba tribe. Please feel free to make improvements to the article as you see fit. Thanks.

Simoooix.haddi (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks, I've made some basic revisions. The important thing is to make sure an article has sources to verify it, even if it's just for a few short and general statements; otherwise a patrolling editor could reasonably un-publish it. R Prazeres (talk) 21:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 22:39, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Dispute mediation request
Hello, population edits I have made to New Cairo have been changed repeatedly by an editor citing erroneous figures from the government authority running the city, without proper citation even. I have pointed out that I used the Central Agency for Public Mobilisation and Statistics (CAPMAS) figures, which is the official agency in charge of assessing the population based on Law 2915/1964. Its 2023 estimates are based on its last census in 2017[1 ], and if not 100% accurate, are much more realistic than NUCA's figures which do not seem to be based on any methodology. The other editor also claimed that the qisms cited do not cover the whole of New Cairo, which I demonstrated was untrue based on an official Cairo Governorate map [2 ]. I am therefore requesting your dispute resolution on this matter, and would highly appreciate it if you could accept. Ypedia1 (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Ypedia1, technically you should post a request for help at Requests for Comments (RfC) or Third Opinion for help (see the various options at WP:SEEKHELP). But I can help by starting a talk page discussion and inviting both of you to explain your sources there. That's usually what should happen first anyways. If things can't get resolved on the talk page, then I'd probably recommend posting a request at RfC. R Prazeres (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Yes I hope it doesn't need to go further to RfC etc Ypedia1 (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello Prazeres, thanks for your appreciation and wishing you the best. JS (talk) 17:55, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

yo the libu edit i work hard on that one
could put it again please ? 41.254.66.152 (talk) 18:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * No, and use the article's talk page, not mine. R Prazeres (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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sorry
I'm sorry mister R for the confusion but may I ask where to add the Libyan Amazon? Fullofdino (talk) 06:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * "Libyan Amazons", if they existed, are already mentioned at Amazons. The article you edited is a disambiguation page and it already links to that article, so there is nothing else to add. R Prazeres (talk) 06:29, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarification but I presume Libyan amazon should be added as another article due to the idea that there is more than one Amazon nation mention by Greeks which are scythians and the Amazons of Libya and I read in northern turkey Fullofdino (talk) 06:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You can propose that at Talk:Amazons and see what other editors think. R Prazeres (talk) 06:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you mister Fullofdino (talk) 06:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I added can you check it for me ? Fullofdino (talk) 06:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that you posted on Talk:Amazons, yes, if that's what you mean? R Prazeres (talk) 06:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * yes thank you Fullofdino (talk) 06:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Ahmed Girri Bin Hussein Al Somali
You restored the maintenance templates after I had cited multiple academic sources? Adamsanels (talk) 16:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Marrakesh
okey if u don’t accept my source for the founder of Marrakesh but please don’t change the pictures JannaD92 (talk) 02:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Your change of the images serves no purpose and there's nothing wrong with the existing selection. If you want to propose a change, please use the talk page as instructed. R Prazeres (talk) 02:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreement
Hello pal, sorry about the disagreements that we recently we had, but let’s leave that, because I propose an agreement with you, about the article Emirate of Granada, I will tell you what I intend to edit and why I previously wanted to put it, but now I have better arguments that I will tell you now: Just let me make this edits on the page Emirate of Grenada: The founding year as c. 1238, put it also in timeline of rulers. (In the right section that is the template with the format I wanted to put)

I want to edit those things first in the part of c. 1238 you told me this, despite previous reverts you made me in the article of the Emirate about the date and including the language section that I’m mentioning, so the reason was because I based those edits on what it said in the article as you read it, like this: It’s said that Muhammad I became the ruler of Granada by 1238, I wanted to put that, and that in terms of language it was stated that the population was largely Arabic-speaking, unlike the previous Muslim strongholds in the Iberian Peninsula, and the Mozarabic population, which were Catholics, were just a minority, and the Berber-speaking population were already largely assimilated within the Arabic-speaking population, and I wanted to change the format the religion as well, so I wanted to put that. Since I told you this, please think about it, take your time and think wisely, and let me put those things, trust me, I already gave better arguments this time, I'm going to leave the rest, and please modify the template, take care of that yourself, based on the coherent dates, and we'll talk about editions in the template, have a nice night. In conclusion, I’m just letting you know what I intend to edit and why, and I advised you that you can trust me, that there aren’t any problems about it. 157.100.113.220 (talk) 02:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * See my reply at Talk:Emirate of Granada. Please make any further arguments there or at Talk:Muhammad I of Granada (for any proposed changes to that article), not here on my talk page, where no other editors are going to see the discussion. You should have done this in the first place when you were first reverted and repeatedly instructed to do so . R Prazeres (talk) 03:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

help with Libyan Civilizatio
hello mister R may ask for help on the libyan civilization i tried to make that page lately but it didn't go well. the main problem seem to be the amount of source and the limited info according to mr the only source i have is oric bates the eastern libyans 1914 Jake106meme (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It wasn’t me who removed Saladin’s full name!
It was not me who removed Saladin's full name. Anyways you told me to discuss in the talk page, could you please explain what you mean. I have lots of reliable sources Quirk1 (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This edit was unrelated to you, it was just something I noticed afterwards. Please discuss the article at its talk page, Talk:Saladin, like I said before. But in short: the Kurdish ancestry of Saladin is amply supported in the article per reliable (secondary) sources, which is all that matters on Wikipedia. So do not change this information the article unless you've obtained a consensus on the talk page to do so. R Prazeres (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Consensus with who, the Admins? And what if no one replies to me. The Arab ancestry of Saladin is amply supported Quirk1 (talk) 01:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * With other editors, see WP:CONSENSUS. If no one replies, that means there's no consensus. R Prazeres (talk) 01:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see that consensus could be obtained by continued editing, is that true? Quirk1 (talk) 02:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, not when you've already been reverted, see WP:BRD. And since you're obviously favoring a specific POV without appropriate support, your edits would be considered disruptive. Now stop trying to convince me, this topic belongs on Talk:Saladin. R Prazeres (talk) 02:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by appropriate support? I edited "Ayyubids" and you talk to me about Saladin and not his family which have all denied being kurdish including Saladin's close relatives Quirk1 (talk) 02:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It says "Making bold edits is encouraged, as it will result in either improving an article or stimulating discussion. If your edit gets reverted, do not revert again. Instead, begin a discussion with the person who reverted your change." So come have a discussion with me on Talk:Saladin please since you've reverted my edit, we could work it out Quirk1 (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh nvm, it says begin a discussion with the person who reverted your edit. Could we have a discussion here? It would be a proper one Quirk1 (talk) 02:48, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess I should provide more than 1 reliable source next time, I thought one source would be enough. I'm still waiting for an answer to my previous question about the discussion btw Quirk1 (talk) 03:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhaja?wprov=sfti1#Origins This page uses genetic DNA tests to identify the origin of both the Kutama and Sanhadja tribes, why can ppl not do the same with Ayyubids? Their genetic tests prove that they are from the Arab tribe Ghatafan. Also, was a consensus obtained for Saladin's or Ayyubids' Kurdish origin? You said new wiki editors should ask more questions, so here I am Quirk1 (talk) 03:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I told you multiple times to go to Talk:Saladin and open a discussion there. I will not repeat myself again here. R Prazeres (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I asked you if you will take part in it because BOLD, revert, discuss cycle says that you should discuss it with the person who reverted your edit. ? Quirk1 (talk) 04:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * this is just a r explanation in case I've miss-explained myself. My question is will you take part in the discussion or not? Quirk1 (talk) 06:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I will participate as needed, but that's not what matters; what matters is that discussions about an article should take place at the article's talk page, where all concerned editors can participate, not just me. R Prazeres (talk) 06:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia should notify me about your responses. Anyways I think there has already been a discussion in the talk page, can you see it? Someone quotes the book of the Ayyubids from an Ayyubid author. This book is the collection of letters of Sultan Al-Nasir Daoud bin Al-Malik(King) Al-Muazam Isa bin Al-Malik(King) Al-Adil bin Ayoub, who died in the year 656 AH. [in Arabic: وهذا الكتاب هو ديوان رسائل السلطان الملك الناصر داود بن الملك المعظم عيسى بن الملك العادل بن أيوب المتوفي سنة 656 هجري] I have faith in you that you can help Quirk1 (talk) 03:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ? Quirk1 (talk) 06:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Ayyubid kings have shown their Arabness in their poems, want to see? How could you say they are kurdish by origin if they literally denied it many times, read my friend, please. Read how they denied being kurdish many times as they also said "‏ونقلا من صدق كردي مطلع ذكر في منشور له :
 * ‏حكى الملك الأمجد الحسن بن داود الأيوبي تـ670هـ في (نسب الأيوبيين) المستهل من كتابه [الفوائد الجلية في الفرائد الناصرية] ( 44 ) - متعقبا نسبة ابن الأثير تـ630هـ في [الكامل] لهم إلى أشراف الأكراد - ، حيث قال :
 * ‏[ وهذا شيء يجري على ألسنة كثير من الناس ، ولم أرى أحدا ممن أدركته من مشايخ بيتنا يعترف بهذا النسب ، لكنهم لا ينكرون أن نجم الدين كان بُدِّوين.
 * ‏وسألت المولى الملك الأمجد تقي الدين أبا الفضل عباس بن السلطان الملك العادل هل سمع من والده أو أحد من إخوانه الأكابر اعترافا بهذا النسب ؟ ، فقال : ما سمعت أحدا منهم ينتمي إلى الأكراد ] ." Quirk1 (talk) 01:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)