User talk:R Prazeres/Archive 3

Another edit war
Hello! Ive recently notified you about an edit war, well it seems ive found yet another Case of this, in my own article, Dhurma Massacre (1818), with the user, vandalising the article, making it smaller, and disrupting peace, while also not respecting neutrality, by favoring the Saudi side in this case, he was already warned by Unknown-Tree, but no matter how much i warned him of not touching the article, he didnt stop, i would like for you to warn him, and maybe open a discussion on the article's talk page. Thanks! ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ (talk) 17:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I've posted a warning on their talk page, as yes this is clearly edit-warring, but you can do this yourself in the future. If the editor continues to revert, please report them to Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring (follow the instructions there), as I mentioned in our last discussion above. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 18:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ: I forgot to remind you to open a discussion on the talk page, so I've done it again there. If Araboud reverts again, don't bother reverting them back (or you might end up getting blocked due to 3RR), just report them. They have no excuse left now. R Prazeres (talk) 19:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Marrakesh
Hey. Hate to be this bothersome, but could you tell me if you're willing to restore the original montage until consensus is reached? That's really all I'm asking of you. If not then I guess we've reached a stale point and the only option seems to be filing a request for dispute resolution. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 18:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't see a justification for placing the single-image montage without a community consensus to do so. Yes, you can look into WP:DR options, if you're not willing to wait for other editors on the talk page. Since only two of us are involved so far, the easiest option is probably a third opinion. If you're not willing to accept a third opinion or you want something more comprehensive, then Request for comments (RfC) would seem like the logical step. Either option requires that you write a brief, neutral summary of the issue; you can use the existing summary question I wrote at Talk:Marrakesh (minus the last sentence), or something similar, if it is satisfactory to you. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 15:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

God in Islam
I just opened a discussion on the topic of God in Islam. I am waiting for your attention. Maybe it will also help you understand my point of view.NGC 628 (talk) 07:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Khalij (Cairo)
—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Peristyle, arcade, gallery...
Hi RP, and I'm glad we crossed paths.

I guess the terms I'm looking for in English are quite fluid in common parlance, and perhaps even in more rigurous contexts. Or maybe not. When you have rows of colums/pillars and straight lintels, it's a peristyle - but only if it has four sides to it and fully surrounds the courtyard. Plus it's antiquated, not commonly used for more recent or even modern architecture. Rows of curved arches are - arcades? But arcade seems to work with straight lintels too. Is there any word for rows of curved arches? You have stoa, arcade (btw: only if covering both sides of a street?), colonnade... Each with its specific use, but related and overlapping.

Today I got stuck with another dilemma: if you have a caravanserai, what are the four "wings" around the courtyard called in English? Wing tends to be an added building, with an accessory role to the main building, while these are the original, essential residential parts of any coutyard house.

Ignore if you feel I'm abusing your time. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 21:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey @Arminden, sorry for missing this earlier. I generally follow the example set by the sources, but in my experience authors do indeed seem to differ on their preferences. When it comes to the roofed side areas of a courtyard, for example, I've seen authors use "gallery", "porch", "portico", "arcade", "peristyle", and maybe others... all referring to essentially the same feature. As I understand, in Arabic the term is usually riwaq . I'm guessing that there are practical reasons why the terminology isn't completely consistent (e.g. different traditions in different fields, there aren't always sufficiently precise terms in English, some terms overlap in meaning, etc). I've tried to use terms that are general enough to be understood by most interested English readers but still accurate in context. I probably don't always succeed, so feedback is welcome.


 * For some of your other specific questions: I understand "arcade" as meaning a row of arches, but I see it used sometimes in contexts of columns that don't support "true" arches (like lintels or corbelled arches, as you mentioned), so it seems a little flexible. Likewise, I've seen "wing" used very flexibly, including in the way you mentioned; whereas the Wing (building) article refers to a more narrow meaning. "Peristyle", to my knowledge, is applicable to any era, it's just more traditionally associated with historical/ancient Mediterranean architecture. Technically, in the context of Riad (architecture), there are also examples where the courtyard is only flanked by galleries on two sides instead of four, so "peristyle" is arguably too narrow for what I did here. Something like "arcaded galleries" or just "portico" might still be preferred.


 * I think in most cases, many of these terms are clear enough for general purposes. It depends really on the desired balance between precision vs conciseness/readability. The inclusion of photos helps too, of course. R Prazeres (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello RP. I truly appreciate your detailed answer, thank you very much! I'm neither a native English speaker, nor an architect, so questions like this do suddenly come up: when I'm speaking, I do it by instinct and it's fine, but in written it's a different story. Thanks again, and have a great day! Arminden (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Reversion of cleanup tag
Hi! In Christianity in Africa, I would ask you to reconsider. A screenshot on an image hosting website is an unacceptable source per WP:UGC, and I put a "better source needed"-tag after the reference. You reverted the addition per WP:EDITWAR, even though no user had removed the tag nor objected to it before your reversion. I suppose there is a misunderstanding? —St.Nerol (talk, contribs) 19:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks for pointing that out. Yes, I reverted to the wrong version; I meant to revert the addition that you quite reasonably objected to. (I meant to go to the 1 April version by Internet archive bot but I guess I clicked on the 3 April version by Citation bot instead.) I've just fixed it by removing it manually . Sorry for the confusion. R Prazeres (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation! —St.Nerol (talk, contribs) 15:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for your immense help and going the extra mile at Abu al-Abbas al-Nabati. Thanks, Neuropol  Talk  23:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Turkey
Hi R Prazeres! I see that you have done an amazing job in Ottoman architecture. I am trying to improve Turkey to GA and then FA, I was wondering if you'd be interested in going over the architecture section in Turkey. 3 short paragraphs around 100 words each would be great, if you are interested.

Btw Ottoman architecture looks great. The only thing is that it is too long, with 20k words. If you were to copy paste some of the details into sub articles, you could easily get it promoted to FA. Bogazicili (talk) 16:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, and thanks! I am in a busy period but sure, I'll see if I can make time in the near future to revise that section. I'm most familiar with Seljuk & Ottoman periods, which I can cover easily, but I'll try to dig up a more balanced overview of Byzantine and modern architecture too.
 * And for Ottoman architecture: yeah, its length has been on my mind for a while. I've already created subarticles for most periods and I've been thinking about creating another, so I think the major sections can be condensed accordingly. R Prazeres (talk) 01:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The thing with Featured Articles is that your work would be more recognized. Also if you lose interest in Wikipedia in the future, it makes it more likely that your work is maintained by others. Because if an article is FA but degrades over time, sometimes people try to "save" it if it goes through FA review again.
 * As for Turkey article, I think a paragraph about Ottomans could work? I can try to cover Republic period with another paragraph. And maybe a 3rd paragraph for Seljuks, Byzantines etc? Bogazicili (talk) 15:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll focus on the those periods. If I have time and references for more, I'll add more and let you decide whether to keep it, revise it, etc. R Prazeres (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Sounds good! Bogazicili (talk) 09:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi R Prazeres! Btw, if you were planning to make any changes to architecture part, can you wait until June? I entered Turkey into The Core Contest/Entries. Thanks! Bogazicili (talk) 14:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem! I have drafted two architecture paragraphs (one on the Seljuk period, one on the Ottoman period), but just haven't had time to trim them and figure out how to integrate them into the existing content; so I'm in no hurry. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 16:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Insufficient reversion?
Hello!

I noticed that you recently made this reversion at the article on Abu Muslim. Judging by your edit summary, I get the impression that you intended to reverse everything the IP user had edited and not merely his last small edit (where he changed "Abumuslim" to "Abu Muslim". Is that correct?

Sincerely, Nikolaj1905 (talk) 12:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Sigh, yes, thank you for spotting that. I forgot the IP was slightly different across the edits, so "rollback" only undid one of them. Fixed it now. R Prazeres (talk) 16:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)