User talk:Rabo3/Archive 2

Dromornithidae
Hi, thanks for your interest in the above article but I believe that you incorrectly reverted my edits (meters -> metres). This article is about an exclusively Australian group of birds and should therefore reflect Australia spelling. I've left it for now but will put it back tomorrow unless there's a reason I shouldn't. Cheers, Secret Squïrrel  03:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right - evidently a bit too fast there. I've dealt with it. • Rabo³  • 03:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankyou - you are a scholar and a gentleman! ;-) Secret Squïrrel  16:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Polytelini
Tribe Polytelini is mentioned on several of the genus Polytelis pages, but Polytelini is a red link and it is not found on lists of parrots on other pages. Snowman (talk) 23:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a group that in addition to the type genus probably also includes Alisterus and Aprosmictus. There are still some uncertainties regarding this group, but evidence suggest they're probably related to, and may even be part of, tribes Platycercini or Psittaculini. However, still some uncertainties and the definition of these groups are not entirely agreed upon. • Rabo³  • 23:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

spelling with i or y
Brown Lory (Chalcopsitta duivenbodei) on wiki and sometimes spelled duyvenbodei on commons? Snowman (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Always duivenbodei - with i. I presume the mistake is due to the alternative English (and French, German, etc) name; Duyvenbode's Lory. However, ICZN states clearly that the original scientific name must stand; even if the author (in this case Alphonse Joseph Charles Dubois) couldn't spell. Lots of similar cases elsewhere (indeed, I corrected one just a few days ago, where an alternative common name had been misspelled based on the originally misspelled scientific name; here)• Rabo³  • 11:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Luckily I used the wiki spelling for the three images I uploaded to commons. I have listed the existing commons image for rename, and I have changed the commons category names. Snowman (talk) 12:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

award
Not sure if you collect these things but you deserve one anyway. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! • Rabo³  • 16:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Commons and wiki difference
Eolophus roseicapillus on wiki and Eolophus roseicapilla on commons? Snowman (talk) 19:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Eolophus roseicapilla. • Rabo³  • 14:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiki page corrected. Snowman (talk) 22:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your message about the Rose-crowned Fruit-dove. I will re-load the photo to Wikimedia under the correct name, as you suggested. All the best. Figaro (talk) 13:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now uploaded the photo to Wikimedia Commons under the correct file name, but am having problems with the deletion of the page with the incorrect name (whenever I click on "Purge" on the incorrect Superb Fruit-dove page, the page simply reloads). The correct page for Rose-crowned Fruit-dove also states that the photo is a duplication of the Superb Fruit-dove photo.  Can you please help with fixing this up.  Thanks.  I would appreciate it very much. Figaro (talk) 14:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend you use the Template:Bad name (which generally only is used by the person who originally uploaded the photo, i.e. you in this case). That's the usual way of dealing with copies uploaded with incorrect names. Just add
 * ... to the bottom of the page with the incorrectly named copy (this page), and it will be dealt with as a speedy delete. For it to be deleted, however, the old incorrectly named version must not be in use anywhere on wiki. That's why I exchanged the photo on your page with the correctly named file. Purge only clears cache. To actually delete pages, you have to be an admin. • Rabo³  • 18:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ... to the bottom of the page with the incorrectly named copy (this page), and it will be dealt with as a speedy delete. For it to be deleted, however, the old incorrectly named version must not be in use anywhere on wiki. That's why I exchanged the photo on your page with the correctly named file. Purge only clears cache. To actually delete pages, you have to be an admin. • Rabo³  • 18:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

NBII images
So per this edit summary, there are a number of incorrect identifications in the NBII photo gallery? Hmm, I've uploading a whole bunch of images from them, so you may need to go through the NBII images and check them. What about Image:Hemitriccus granadensis 2.jpg -- is that the right species then? Thanks.  howcheng  {chat} 02:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, many nice photos on NBII but also quite a few mistakes among their photos from Ecuador. The second Hemitriccus granadensis you linked to is fine and I have added it to the relevant wiki articles. I will forward a list with the mistakes to your talk page later today or tomorrow (edit: here). • Rabo³  • 13:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Alert
You may like to comment here Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(flora) Shyamal (talk) 14:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect templates
You may be interested in:
 * Category:Templates for redirects relating to science
 * Category:Templates for redirects involving diacritics or language change
 * Wikipedia:Template messages/Redirect pages. Snowman (talk) 10:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! • Rabo³  • 11:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

International Species Information System
If it is inaccurate to say that the International Species Information System is a database project, perhaps the linked article should not begin: "The International Species Information System, ISIS, is a project to create a database..." Propaniac (talk) 02:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's entirely true. I might look at this and other issues in that article later (in any case that article needs a small overhault... it also being a member of the infamous club). •  Rabo³  • 03:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Hanging parrots
I will be grateful if you would look at parrots 50, 51, and 52. Can you confirm the identity of these hanging parrots? Snowman (talk) 20:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. I'll look at them shortly. • Rabo³  • 21:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Does parrot 49 have too much orange on the shoulder of its wings for a Blue-fronted Amazon? As indicated on the BirdTalk page, there are hundreds of birds to select from lipkee's flickr photographs. He changes the license of ones selected. If you make a list on BirdTalk, I will see if I can upload them to commons over the next few weeks. Snowman (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's fine. They're quite variable. Yet another variant was described a few years ago in this paper (PDF). • Rabo³  • 21:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

List of eight birds

 * From one of the flickr collections I have listed eight good images of birds, but I am not familiar with the species. I will be grateful if you will confirm the identity of them. The list is on the WP talk page and is from Turquoise Parrot to Rueppell's Griffon Vulture.
 * I will also appreciate your opinion of bird 21.
 * Image:Aratinga aurea -Brazil-8.jpg shows two parrots on a mound. It it a termites mound? Are these parrots particularly associated with these mounds? I would like to add something to the description and captions. Snowman (talk) 10:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a termite mound and they will use them as a nest-site (as do many other small and medium-sized parrots both there and elsewhere, e.g. the first confirmed nesting site of the Guaiabero was recently reported in an arboreal termite nest, and this type of nesting site is frequent among e.g. Micropsitta and Forpus). The Peach-fronted Parakeet, however, is quite adaptable (and consequently common throughout a large part of its range), and in no way limited by access to termite mounds, meaning that the two are not particularly associated. I'll look at your other requests shortly. • Rabo³  • 19:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Tree
I have swoped the infobox image on the "Orange-fronted Parakeet". In the new image the bird is eating seeds from a tree in Costa Rica. I just wondered if you could recognise the tree, so that something can be added to the caption. Snowman (talk) 22:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately no, that's beyond my knowledge. • Rabo³  • 18:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Trochilidae from Ecuador
Hello Rabo, I've uploaded recently some photos of Hummingbirds from Flickr. Could you check if the identifications are correct ? Here they are : Brown Inca, Buff-Winged Starfrontlet, Golden-Breasted Puffleg, Tawny-bellied Hermit, Green Thorntail, White-whiskered Hermit, Purple-throated Woodstar and Andean Emerald. Thank you ! NB: If you could take a look at the Commons:Category:Unidentified Trochilidae, that would be great too. Regards. PurpleHz (talk) 12:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply to above here. • Rabo³  • 13:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've uploaded some of the flickr images from that list. If you fell on other hummingbirds images, please contact me ! There are 3 or 4 images you can indentify in the unidentified category I think. Regards, PurpleHz (talk) 13:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hummingbirds again
Hi, could you take a look at that guy's hummingbirds photos and possibly identify the free ones ? Particularly This one. Thanks ! PurpleHz (talk) 02:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an African sunbird. Other than saying it is a Cinnyris it is impossible to say exactly what species without knowing the locality, as there are several essentially identical species only really separable by range (e.g. several of the Double-collared). Furthermore I am not convinced about the copyrights of this guys photos. Assuming the indicated dates are correct, he somehow managed to take photos of both the North American Rufous Hummingbird and the African sunbird mentioned above on August 26 - 2008, i.e. he somehow managed to take photos on two different continents on a single day! •  Rabo³  • 13:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the answer, I was seriously doubting it was a hummingbird, and I too have a serious doubt about the real copyright owner of those photos. That guy probably stold them. Regards. PurpleHz (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Pyrrhura picta taxonomy
A reply to a question regarding Pyrrhura picta taxonomy posted in talk of wiki-proj. Birds 13 November 2008 by Pippirosie, but only indirectly important for the discussion there, and consequently the reply here instead: Forshaw is an authority on Australian parrots (probably the authority), but he has published very little dealing with the taxonomy of Neotropicals. For a brief – but up-to-date – review of the taxonomy of P. picta I can only recommend checking its taxonomic section here on wiki. Disregarding that, the page for Pyrrhura picta on parrots.org is still problematic, as it specifically mentions that only a single subspecies is recognized (i.e. they accept the "full split", where all non-nominate taxa are considered separate species). However, both their photo and the xeno-canto recording they link to involve the taxon amazonum, i.e. P. amazonum per taxonomy they use (the "Santarem Conure" on parrots.org). Their gallery for P. picta is equally problematic. The two photos by Nick Athanas and the two photos by Luiz Claudio Marigo all involve P. amazonum. So overall it a bit of a mess. • Rabo³  • 14:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Animal in Peru
I found good quality image of a small animal when looking for parrot images. If it can be identified, I would upload it. Snowman (talk) 14:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a very difficult group and it is likely that undescribed species remain. However, as it appears there are no photos for this group on wiki, I would still suggest you upload it - a fitting description would be:
 * "Mouse Opossum (Marmosa/Micoureus sp.) in the Tambopata Reserve, Peru."
 * • Rabo³  • 11:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Uploaded to Image:Mouse Possum -Tambopata Reserve -Peru-8.jpg on commons. I have not put it on a wiki page, because I do not know which page would be best. Snowman (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

copyvios by Attis1979
Hi Rabo3, I've converted some of your rfds of Attis1979's images into copyvio as they were clear copyvios. In such clear-cut cases, I would recommend to use copyvio instead of rfd. Cheers. --Túrelio (talk) 09:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Reply on commons. • Rabo³  • 11:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk page on Commons
Do you realize that the banner on your Common's talk page to add a new message sends users here? لenna vecia  14:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, (per now deleted text) photos by Attis1979 on commons probably should be tagged with speedy, but I wasn't aware of that process on wiki commons until Túrelio informed me about it (comment above). Yes, the new message banner linking directly to here was intentional, as I very rarely check my commons page. I'll modify the text shortly to make sure people know where it'll lead them. • Rabo³  • 14:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Identification
Hello, do you know which hummingbird is this ? No location is given, and the photographer seems Korean. Regards, PurpleHz (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an Amazilia Hummingbird. Two more from the same flickr users photo-stream and involving the same species can be found here and here. In the non-Avian section, you might also consider uploading the female Pileated Gibbon here. • Rabo³  • 02:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you ! Images uploaded here : Image:Pileated Gibbon (Hylobates pileatus).jpg, Image:Amazilia amazilia-4.jpg, Image:Amazilia amazilia-3.jpg. Regards, PurpleHz (talk) 13:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's continue. I just uploaded Image:Bronze-tailed Plumeleteer (Chalybura urochrysia).jpg Image:Snowcap (Microchera albocoronata).jpg and Image:White-bellied Mountain-gem (Oreopyra hemileucus).jpg. Can you confirm they are males? I have some more to identify from Costa Rica : Amazilia tzacatl ?, a female Florisuga mellivora ?, an other Amazilia tzacatl ? Regards, PurpleHz (talk) 16:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the three already uploaded are males (the rather long list here was made by me, i.e. any indication of male/female was also made by me). You are entirely right on the two Amazilia tzacatl, but this photo is a female Heliodoxa jacula. • Rabo³  • 17:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Amazilia tzacatl uploaded to Image:Heliodoxa jacula (female) -Costa Rica-6.jpg on commons, and separate cropped version with different file name. Snowman (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Monkey for identification. Snowman (talk) 01:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I inquired about it a few days ago here. I will leave it there for a few more days. The problem is that the members of the C. satanas group only recently were proposed as separate species, are pretty similar, and essentially separated by the colour of their backs (which is a bit difficult to judge accurately on this otherwise excellent photo). Thus, while I suspect the suggested C. satanas (sensu stricto) is correct (that was also my primary guess before posting the question on wikiproj. primates), I think it would be sensible to upload it as Chiropotes sp. unless we get a more definitive response. Even without an exact species identification, it would still be useful in the Chiropotes article. • Rabo³  • 10:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Various images:, , , in flickr photostreams of zoos. Snowman (talk) 13:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In the order linked: Ateles geoffroyi vellerosus, Hylobates lar (the other gibbon photo in the same photo-stream involves the same species), female Alouatta caraya and Rhinoceros unicornis. If possible, seeing that there has been no new input, you might also consider the earlier mentioned bearded saki here. A fitting name would be something like:
 * "Bearded saki (Chiropotes sp)."
 * It would fit well in the genus article Chiropotes, though I still believe there are too many uncertainties regarding the exact identification to place it in C. satanas. • Rabo³  • 14:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * All flickr images linked in the paragraph above uploaded to common. One added, the Mexican Spider Monkey to en wiki. Snowman (talk) 16:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Barred Parakeet
Someone has used an alternative name for this parrot in the article. Which is the correct name? Snowman (talk) 20:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer Barred Parakeet simply because it is the name I always have used (and also the name used in the various official bird-lists). Some prefer Lineolated Parakeet, and I guess an argument could be presented for that. Nevertheless, whatever name is used, both names should feature in the intro section (as they did before this user messed the page up - I reverted him/her), and the present name of the article location should be used as the primary name in the article text. So, as long as this page is on Barred Parakeet, I believe that should be the primary name used in the main article text, with the others only listed as alternative names (the "also known as..." in the intro section). If someone proposes a page move to Lineolated Parakeet (or whatever name) and it goes through, that name should be used consistently in the main article text, with the other names then listed as alternative names in the intro. The only exception I might argue for are sub-sections clearly dealing with a specific part of birds' life. For example, if there is a sub-section only dealing with aviculture and the name used in aviculture consistently is different from the name of the article location, I feel fine about using the aviculture name in the aviculture sub-section. Likewise the other way around: If a name is used consistently by people dealing with a species in the wild, and there is a section specifically dealing with its behavior/status in the wild, I'd feel fine about that name being used in that sub-section - even if the article is placed on another name. I'm not sure if it is clear what I mean by this, but if you check Mitred Parakeet you'll notice that I left Mitred Conure in the aviculture section (which by the way could use a ref. or two... even if I probably went over the top with the multiple ref's per line in some of the other sections!). With that approach, it should be clear from the intro where the alternative name is used (e.g. in intro of Mitred Parakeet it is specifically mentioned that Mitred Conure is an aviculture name). Regardless, as I'm sure you know, this is in no way an official policy of the wikiproj. birds, so for now I'm blaming this on the ever used (and misused) WP:BOLD! • Rabo³  • 23:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It is consistent again now. I nearly reverted it, but I do not know much about the species and I wondered if I was missing something. Snowman (talk) 23:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Animal identification
1. Otter in zoo. Snowman (talk) 11:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Already indicated identification is correct. • Rabo³  • 07:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Images
User uploading images without proper categories. Image:BrownSpiderMonkey.jpg. The category should be a binomial name. Snowman (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not entirely sure what you're asking about here. • Rabo³  • 07:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you view the image on commons rather than on en wiki, you will see that its category is given as the English name, when it should be the binomial name. On checking the new users commons contributions you will see that he regularly does this. I have informed him and I have corrected some of the recent bird uploads. His photographs are good and so I wondered if you would be interested or not in checking his photographs, Some of the monkey photographs are of good quality too. I would do this myself, but I would be relying totally on the information provided and risk perpetuating any mistakes than might be there. Snowman (talk) 09:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't had the time to see how many above relates to, but I'll go through them eventually (if he uploaded 100s I won't guarantee I'll check all, though). • Rabo³  • 23:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just gone through all his photos; identifications checked (except the US frogs, where I'd need to dig out the old guide, so I'll leave them for someone else). I've left a comment on his commons talk regarding the single mistake I did find. • Rabo³  • 00:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hornbill name
It is Rhyticeros undulatus or Aceros? There are two categories on commons. Snowman (talk) 13:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Most (but not all) place it in Rhyticeros instead of Aceros. You can check the articles for those two genera (I wrote most of both) for the generally used taxonomy. • Rabo³  • 06:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * On commons, I have put them under Rhyticeros, and used a category redirect from Aceros. Snowman (talk) 23:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Andean Cock-of-the-rock
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