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Your submission at Articles for creation: Creative Mobile (July 22)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Creative Mobile (September 6)
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♔ MONARCH Ask me 15:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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♔ MONARCH Ask me 15:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Creative Mobile Games (Estonia)
Hello RadRacer20xx, left you a note over at AlphaMonarch's page, but figured I would leave you a note here as well. I think your refs might be sufficient, for instance, is pretty decent. It's an interview with the founder, which is partly 'independent' and partly WP:ABOUTSELF, but if the company really is in the top 50 of all-time android games... there is almost certainly enough press about the games, the employees, and the company. Finding that press-coverage, is a different matter, obviously. RadRacer20xx please note, however, than English-language *sources* are not required, if you have Estonian/Finnish/German/etc sources about the company (in newspapers/magazines/television/books/similar) then those *also* help a lot to demonstrate wiki-notability. Ping User:Czar, can you take a peek at this? Company is called Creative Mobile Games (videogames of Estonia), not to be confused with Creative Mobile Technologies (taxicabs of New York), has ~100 employees as of 2013 under then-CEO Vladimir Funtikov, specializes in racing-games for android e.g. Drag Racing (video game), not to be confused with IHRA Drag Racing nor with Drag Racer (video game). 75.108.94.227 (talk) 18:17, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks very much for the advice :) I will add in some extra non-english press coverage. The company already appears on this list List of most downloaded Android applications  is there a better way to represent this in the article?
 * Is there any relevance to the WikiProject Estonia ?
 * Facts and figures I could find:
 * Their apps have received over 100 million downloads, and in the first half of 2012, the company had revenues of 4.2 million euros, and a profit of 3.4 million euros during that same period.
 * The company employs 85 people, Financial results for 2013: Turnover – €7.05m, Net profit – €357,279
 * Above message was by RadRacer20xx
 * The contents of List of most downloaded Android applications almost entirely are sourced to play.google.com, for instance, your listing is here. This is a combination of mutually-supporting-WP:ABOUTSELF, where CreativeMobile says it is their game, and Google says it has NNN million downloads, plus WP:CALC on the part of wikipedians, aka seeing that NNN million download is greater than the arbitrary threshold of 100 million.  In other words, it's a pretty weakly-supported factoid, because there's no actual WP:SOURCE, instead it's cobbled together from WP:PRIMARY materials.
 * Much better would be a tech magazine like wired.com or a videogame review like kotaku.com or some kind of general-readership-newspaper (English or other language -- doesn't matter -- offline or online -- again doesn't matter), which mentioned the number of downloads as of a certain date. Sure, probably *they* will also just be parroting what the google website said, but that's still an improvement, because an independent journalist NOTICED the factoid, making it WP:NOTEWORTHY by wikipedia standards.  Does that make sense?  Google is not financially independent of CreativeMobile, because the DragRacing game on the googlePlayStore is beneficial to Google's hardware-sales.  So it's better to find a fully-independent source, whenever possible.
 * Same goes for the other factoids you mentioned, about 2012 revenues/profits, employee count, 2013 changes. Being true and accurate is not enough... those numbers must have been noted and published by some independent third party, in a newspaper/magazine/tvNewscast/radioTalkshow/book/governmentAgency/academiaPaper/etc.  Ideally more than one, across the years.  Make sense?  That is what WP:42 is all about, digging up WP:SOURCES to back up the facts and WP:PROVEIT.  p.s.  Yes, besides the wiki-project-videogame folks, your company will also be of interest to wiki-project-estonia.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 12:00, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi 75.108.94.227, I've added in extra of Estonian and Russian language news articles which cover the company's financials, the most recent is from last year. There's a few more, as for factoid about the 100 million download, most articles I have cited only quote the company. This 2014 link is independant and backs up the claim, is it cite worthy? http://catchmyapp.com/top-30-most-downloaded-android-applications/


 * aripaev.ee from 2014
 * Creative Mobile
 * Programmable mobile games
 * Established: 2009
 * Owners: Vladimir Funtikov (42%), Sergey Panfilov, Irina Panfilova, Viktoria left to right, Serhiy Slyeptson
 * Location: Tallinn
 * Employees: 65
 * Results: Turnover last year, 7.1 million euros, fell by 1.3 million euros. However, in 2011, the Honourable turnover of only 2.7 million.
 * Profit last year, 1.8 million euros, compared with a year earlier, falling almost 4 million euros and the remaining 0.3 million euros less than two years earlier result.
 * TOP. Last year's fight it- IT companies by Äripäev TOP winner of this year fell by 40 places. Standings will appear on 14 October.


 * Above message was by RadRacer20xx

RadRacer20xx, sorry but I'm starting to get swamped. There are still some problems with your sourcing, but it will take time to explain the vagaries of wiki-reliability, and I'm running short this month. My recommendation is that you submit the article for review again, in the AfC queue, and also that you make use of the live-help-chat volunteers. That runs in a separate tab in your browser, and usually is a good way to get questions answered reasonably quickly, about sourcing and editing-problems and the meaning of wiki-notability. Take a peek at WP:SOURCES and give a skim to WP:RS which covers the gory details about what makes newspapers/magazines/books/teevee/etc into wiki-reliable sources, those will probably help, and then with a bit of assistance from the fine folks on the live-help-channel, you will keep making progress. If you have quick questions, you are free to leave a note on my talkpage any time, good luck, 75.108.94.227 (talk) 03:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Creative Mobile (Estonia) has been accepted
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