User talk:Raffage

Hi Raffage,

You removed the reference of Wolf Garbes 2001 Peer-To-Peer Web search publication, stating that it belongs to Bingooo, meta search engine. I understand that you might not have had access to the original article, therefore here the excerpt attached.

While the first part is about Bingooo, in the second part an upcoming p2p development is described, which later was called Faroo.

I'm happy to discuss all open questions.

Kind regards, Zenflow (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

"5 Ausblick Während der Ansatz von BINGOOO zur Suche im ¹Invisible Webª eine gute Lö- sung darstellt, kann die Metasuche im statischen Web trotz partieller Verbesserungen die grundsätzlichen Probleme der als Quellen eingebundenen Suchmaschinen nicht lösen. Deren Ansatz, die Erfassung des exponentiell wachsenden Web auf einem einzigen Server zu realisieren, halten wir nicht für erfolgversprechend. Trotz ständig höherer Investition im Hardwarebereich wird die Vollständigkeit und Aktualit ät der so realisierten Suchindizes zur ückgehen. Wir setzen dem das Konzept einer verteilten Peer-to-Peer-Suchmaschine entgegen, in dem die Anwender, die für das Wachstum der Inhalte des Internets sorgen, auch deren Auffindbarkeit sicherstellen. Diese Alternative zu serverbasierten Suchtechnologien wird es ermöglichen, die Suchergebnisse aktueller, umfassender und kostengünstiger zu realisieren. Bei umfassenderen Suchergebnissen steigen die Anforderungen an die Relevanz der Suchergebnisse. Diese wird einerseits durch eine vollautomatische Bewertung von Inhalten durch die Nutzer der Peer-to-Peer-Suchmaschine und andererseits durch eine lexikalisch- semantische Analyse von Suchanfrage und Ergebnissen sichergestellt. Integraler Bestandteil der zukünftigen Lösung wird ein P2P-Filesharing mit gegen über bekannten Lösungen wie Napster und Gnutella verbesserter Performance, Verfügbarkeit und Rechtssicherheit sein. Ein weiterer Schwerpunkt wird im Bereich Datenschutz und Sicherung der Privatsph äre beim Surfen und Publizieren durch P2P-Anonymizer und P2P-Webserver gesetzt."

Faroo reference
Hi Raffage,

Thanks for your response. I have temporarily put the article online for your reference http://www.faroo.com/download/wi052001_511_516.pdf (can't publish it permanently for copyright reasons)

The article states that BINGOOO/metasearch is a good solution for the invisible web, while it is not a sufficient solution for the search of the static web.

Then the article describes in chapter 5 a future concept of a distributed peer-to-peer search engine, where its users ensure the findability of content. It also already envisions the automatic ranking of web pages by the users of the peer-to-peer search engine (later called attention based ranking). This p2p idea eventually becomes Faroo, while Bingooo stayed a meta search engine.

>> Wolf himself saying he didn't start work on the initial FAROO prototype until 2004.

Well, in scientific papers it is usually the publication date that counts, not the implementation work. Anyway, while the implementation of the prototype started in 2004, all the core research work was done before (research for a optimum overlay protocol, research for a fast Boolean intersection of huge posting lists across different peers, modeling/simulation/benchmarking of different overlay protocols and index structures ...).

This might be a different approach from other developers, who start their work right away with coding. I decided to look first for a sufficient theoretically provable solution, until starting the coding.

And yes, in the beginning it was not called Faroo. I guess every serious developer/researcher starts looking for a solution, before thinking about a proper name for it ;-). But then again this wikepedia article is about p2p search itself, not about brand names ;-)

2004 as start for the prototype implementation was mentioned in that article, to explain the choice of a final programming framework in that time.

I have seen you were thinking about distributed search standardizing. Perhaps this might be of interest: 2 Cooperation and interoperability between p2p projcts. http://www.chorus-ist.org/_events_RTF/documents/Garbe_000.pdf

Additionally there is very good paper "On the Feasibility of Peer-to-Peer Web Indexing and Search (2003)" http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.12.3396 which gives a good overview about obstacles and solutions in p2p web search. Perhaps you might want to include this into a section about fundamental research in p2p web search? Regards, 93.203.35.136 (talk) 14:33, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Faroo reference
The core p2p web search ideas were developed 2000/2001, the in-depth research work started in 2002.

Here the requested translation of the quote (and the context):

"... Wir setzen dem das Konzept einer verteilten Peer-to-Peer-Suchmaschine entgegen..."

"... We counter with the concept of a distributed peer-to-peer search engine..."

5 Outlook

While the approach of BINGOOO is a good solution for search in the "Invisible Web", metasearch in the static web can't solve the general problems of those search engines which are embedded as sources, despite partial improvements. Their approach of indexing the exponentially growing web to a single server is not promising. Despite continuously higher investments into hardware the completeness and topicality of the search index will degrade.

We counter with the concept of a distributed peer-to-peer search engine, where the users who are causing the growth of the content in the internet, are also ensuring its findability. This alternative to server based search technologies will allow to provide more recent, more comprehensive and more economic search results. With more search results the importance of search result relevance increases. On the one hand this is ensured by a fully automatic ranking of content by the users of the peer-to-peer search engine and on the other hand by a lexical / semantical analysis of the search query and results.

Integral part of the future solution will be p2p file sharing with improved performance, reliability and legal security, compared to known solutions as Napster and Gnutella. An additional focus will be data protection and privacy for browsing and publishing through p2p anonymizer and p2p web server.

Zenflow (talk) 14:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

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