User talk:RaffiKojian/Archive 4

Armenian Archieves
Thank you very much. I don't have much knowledge on the issue and I am researching about it. Can you please include a similar comment to the discussion page of AG so that the users will not get mislead by my comment. Also, can you provide me a weblink of the archieves if one exists. I have given turkish archieves link on the discussion page. Thank youCaglarkoca 12:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: White Genocide
Hey Raffi, well the thing is, in the Armenian History textbook we studied from in my high school, we did use Jermag chart but it was equally called "Sbidag" chart (I typed Spitak since it is how it would be pronounced in the RA). Although it is not widely used among Westnern Armenian everyday conversations (ex: jermag eh tsooynuh instead of sbidag eh tsooynuh), you can find sbidag in poetry and literature as we had encountered it even though the majority of our textbooks were Western Armenian, just not in everyday conversations (as far as I know). Anyway it is not really important to the matter because either way, we understand the meaning of it. I just wanted to add it cause that's how it was written in my old history book and its a way we learned to describe the assimilation. Hope this clarifies it a little. Fedayee 16:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Շնորհաւոր նոր տարի եւ Սուրբ Ծնունդ - Fedayee 19:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Link
I removed the link again, it shouldn't be list of every forum and web-site out there. Armeniapedia is not a reliable site. I know that you run it, so if you add it again I will report you for self-promotion and along with comments like "I suspect racist in motivation", you can be sure that you will be reported for both vandalism, self-promotion and civility. Thank you and happy new year. Baristarim 05:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

However, feel free to expand the main itself with secondary sources. Baristarim 08:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Not quite. Please see WP:EL and Conflict of interest. Please avoid adding that link. Also if you are interested, take a look at my note on the article's talk page. Thank you. Baristarim 05:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Armenian monasteries
I don't dispute your point, and I apologize for my error. However, I do have a question. Those banners, like many of the others that I have been adding, are there to more or less let the projects know that given articles exist, and that they might be interested in improving them. Also, all such articles are being added to the project's own list of articles, allowing them to keep up with recent changes to them and hopefully more frequently prevent vandalism. It would be beneficial to the pages if some project had a given article under their watch. Given my own remarkably imperfect knowledge of the subject, can you think of which group on the WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Philosophy and religion they might relate to, so that the appropriate banner is added and they are added to the appropriate watchlist? Thank you in advance for your response. Badbilltucker 19:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If there is no such group which you believe qualifies, please let me know. I think we could either create a separate project for the Oriental Orthodox Church (or at least propose one and see how many people respond) or perhaps create one as a work group of the larger Christianity project. Again, my primary interest is in ensuring that the some group is aware of the articles, and I've created enough myself to be able to create another one for these purposes. Badbilltucker 19:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

user:nshan13
i am also armenian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nshan13 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Hey Raffi check your mail please this is Nareklm. (Formerly) Artaxiad 15:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply
I see your point... I suppose when you pile too much pressure on people you can make them targets for such actions even though that might not have been the initial intent. It is also possible that he was also made a scapegoat of some sorts by some people for some other troubles that Turkey was having. Nevertheless, it is a very sad event and an extremely big loss, particularly since he was in a unique position that bridged the Turkish and Armenian communities with the real outlook of a true intellectual. It was also shocking for me to see those photos. Sad world... As for the demonstrations. I think that there has never been a willingness by any Turk to hate, fight or dispute in the first place. There are many Turks out there who are more than willing to reach out you know :) Where did you see him by the way? - Just curious :) Baristarim 01:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is true, he is quite irreplaceable and that's what makes it such a great loss. After this, it will be even harder because of the atmosphere of fear... Sad.. Interesting story about the conference by the way. C'est la vie Baristarim 02:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hrant Dink
I saw your comments to Baristarim and just felt a need to drop a note. I agree that Dink is quite irreplaceable and that's what makes this particular loss so great. I always felt that he was going about things the right way in Turkey for raising awareness on a very tough issue. He was one of us, and understood the particular paranoias, blindnesses, weaknesses as well as the strengths of the society. A very emotional writer as well. Some of his pieces are impossible to read without raising a lump in the throats of anyone with a heart. I refer to "the water finds its cracks" and his 10th January piece about being a dove particularly. --Free smyrnan 01:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Vakifli church-DCP 8791 25p.jpg
Thank you very much for uploading an image of Vakıflı. Is it possible to get a version without the watermark? Khoikhoi 01:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. Thanks anyways. BTW, what is your source for "Vakıflı is the only village in the world that is completely Armenian in ethnicity outside of the Caucasus"? I could only find sources saying outside Armenia. Khoikhoi 07:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I suppose so, but coming to conclusions by ourselves would be considered original research, wouldn't it? What we need are sources that state this. Recently, WP:V and WP:NOR were actually merged into a single policy: WP:ATT. As the intro states:


 * "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of original thought. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true. Wikipedia is not the place to publish your opinions, experiences, or arguments."


 * Khoikhoi 07:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, in response to your comment "I can give you references for the existence of Armenian villages in Karabakh and Georgia", this is also from WP:NOR ("Unpublished synthesis of published material"):


 * "Editors often make the mistake of thinking that if A is published by a reliable source, and B is published by a reliable source, then A and B can be joined together in an article in order to advance position C. However, that would be an example of an unpublished synthesis of published material serving to advance a position, and it constitutes original research. 'A and B, therefore C' is acceptable only if a reliable source has published this argument in relation to the topic of the article."


 * Also, I think you misinterpreted the quote you gave me. It's not saying "some things don't attribution". This bit of information especially needs it because it is challenged. I will talk to SlimVirgin, the original author of the policy, to get some clarification. Khoikhoi 10:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Khoikhoi, the sentence "Vakıflı is the only village in the world that is completely Armenian in ethnicity outside of the Caucasus" would definitely need a reliable source. For an editor to add this based on his own belief would count as original research. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Jayjg (talk) 00:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Tahn
Hi, if you say it's generally non-carbonated, then it's ok... Chapultepec 18:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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Agos English On-line Edition available
Hello! Agos weekly has recently become available on-line in English at Agos-English and subscriptions are available here: Agos subscription. They could use the support and I think it might be of interest to you and other Armenians who may wish to read Hrant Dink's newspaper. I would appreciate it if you could pass the word along to those that might be interested. Regards, Free smyrnan 02:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Fascist
You are a fascist.You are anti-Türk.What is the means of Kurdistan Indepence.If you want to an Indepence,your country must give ground.We won our country with our blood.Turkish War of Independence --Kızıl Şaman 22:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh my god! Thank you for showing me the light, I now can't agree with you more.  Screw the Kurds!  What right do they have to their own country??!?!  I mean, the Turks of Northern Cyprus, certainly, but the Kurds?  Never!!!!!!!!  Get a life :-)  --RaffiKojian 09:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

They are different things.You see:Turkish invasion of Cyprus,in there you see ,Greek terror organization,EOKA, killed many Turk.And Turkey entered to Cyprus.It was compulsive. Kurds and their terror organization, PKK, killed 30.000 Turkish People.They perished at the stake, fusilladed villager.Most of them was civil.Babies,olds,women,teachers....5.000.000 people immigrated from area.PKK damaged Turkey's Economy about 350.000.000.000 USD.PKK militants embarrassing area's development.Is it Indepence war?No it is Fascism of Kurd.They aren't fighting for Indepence.They are flunkeys of imperialism,,which want to demolish Turkey. You are not in Turkey,You don't know. --Kızıl Şaman 17:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Dude, take off your blinders for God's sakes. How old are you?  Do you really believe this nonsense?  Turks should have a country, but Kurds should be under a truly fascist states rule?  They should have to die in order to be able to speak their own language and have their own TV broadcasts?  Get a clue, get a life.  Stop wanting to dominate and destroy other races, it's sickening.  --RaffiKojian 05:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hah ,realy dude,realy. they killed 30.000.For example they killed one Turkish soldiar.Everyday,everyday.One day they stopped o bus.33 soldiars in the bus and they was going to hause.They stopped bus and downed them.And killed 33 soldiars.Is it indepence war. They can speak their language in our country.For example in Germany has 3.000.000 Turks.Germany forbidded to speak Turkish in school.But Kurds can speak kurdish everywhere.But our offical education language is Turkish.If they are in this country.They must learn Turkish.But we don't want ,they forget their language.Also in Turkey's statutes are allowing Kurdish broadcasting.take off your blinders.PKK killed 30.000 Turkish People.They perished at the stake, fusilladed villager.Most of them was civil.Babies,olds,women,teachers....5.000.000 people immigrated from area.PKK damaged Turkey's Economy about 350.000.000.000 USD.PKK militants embarrassing area's development.Can you answer about this picture? --Kızıl Şaman 08:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course I can answer your mindless propaganda, but you are not LISTENING to me or anyone else, you've heard/know everything I have to say and choose to ignore it. Let me answer you point by point - but you must swear to read with an open mind, not with your canned arguments in mind.  First, 30,000 PEOPLE were killed, not Turks.  That number includes Kurds that your soldiers killed.  Get it right.  Remember that.  It is one thing for a "terrorist" to kill a soldier, another for your government to kill you when you are innocent.  Yes it is independence war.  Turks had an independence war, why the hell shouldn't the Kurds?  You think you are Allah's gift to Anatolia?  They can speak their language now?  How generous of you.  What about the last 90 years?  And can they learn it in school in THEIR OWN HOMELAND?  Your comparison with Turks in Germany is CRAP you know.  You cannot compare immigrants with people in their homeland.  The whole point is that they don't want to be a part of Turkey, learn Turkish, be "allowed" to speak their own god damn language.  Are you so blind that you cannot imagine yourself in their shoes for one second??  Your beloved soldiers destroyed tens of thousands of their villages, they were the ones uprooted by your government.  You think they give a shit about your precious economy?  They want independence, not a wealthy Turkey.  Man, you are so incredibly dense, stupid, or a rabid nationalist, that you are like a dinosaur walking the earth.  Wake up!  It's the 21st century.  Get over your blindness, nationalism, hatred, selfishness, and whatever other hang-ups you have.  I know you think the world is out to get you, but imagine what a problem you have when you are contacting an Armenian about Kurdistan...   an Armenian who was born in Ethiopia because that's where his grandparents took refuge after your precious Ottoman Empire had a nice little genocide of Armenians.  --RaffiKojian 06:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "That number includes Kurds" This Kurds was Turkish citizen.All of Kurds not want to an indepence country.Kurds are two group about in this subject.Eventually,they was HUMAN.But PKK killed them,Why PKK killed them?


 * "They can speak their language now?" yes.if you want to see them ,go Diyarbakır,Batman,Hakkari...


 * "You cannot compare immigrants with people in their homeland".Majority of them Germany citizen,They are not immigrants,they are citizen of Deutschland.


 * "Your beloved soldiers destroyed tens of thousands of their villages, they were the ones uprooted by your government."Not every villages,only supporter of PKK.I'm behind of its.


 * "Man, you are so incredibly dense, stupid, or a rabid nationalist, that you are like a dinosaur walking the earth. Wake up!  It's the 21st century." Ja I'm stupid.I'm Dnasour.You are in the 21st century and I'm in mediaeval .Are you happy.?


 * "an Armenian who was born in Ethiopia because that's where his grandparents took refuge after your precious Ottoman Empire had a nice little genocide of Armenians."You answer your grandparents that "why you took refuge?".You are saying " You killed 1.500.000 Armenian".Where are graves?And,Why your goverment don't want to argue Armenian genocide lie with our goverment.Because you are untruthful.One they all of world are going to learn trues.

--Kızıl Şaman 11:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to make a note where are the 6 Million Jews, the Algerian Genocide, the Cambodian Genocide? it dissolves into sand. --Vonones 15:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm speaking with RaffiKojian.And there is a question.Why Armenian historian don't speak Turkish historian about it subject?Becouse they are deceitful.Are there tangible proof?1.500.000 Armenian?Any?When a historian say " Armenian Genocide is a lie",this historian dead or took back this pronunciation.Because Armenian don't want to come into the open trues.There are tangible proof: ARMENIAN TERROR ORGANIZATION ASALA,killed 46 innocent Turks,Why killed them?One of them was my grandfather.I think Armenian happy to make terror.

--Kızıl Şaman 16:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I know you are but your ignorance is too gross to ignore, Armenian historians do speak with them, Turks want to debate in Turkey only, they don't want to go anywhere else, PBS debate was Peter Balakian/Taner Acam with Justin Mcarthy and a Turkish historian. I know what ASALA did, well too bad they are gone now the only reason was for the Armenian Genocide they attacked they wanted the Turkish goverment to recognize it. --Vonones 19:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Please Don't
Can you guys stop instigating him? Does it honestly look like he's going to change his mind? All your doing is encouraging him.-- daniel folsom  06:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack
Raffi, please, review WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Your attack upon me is groundless, because Armeniapedia.org was indeed created by you. You're not a scholar neither a neutral news source to be used in Azerbaijan-related article. So I just stated a fact as an explanation for my edit, and there is nothing personal here. If you assumed/misread otherwise, then, I am sorry for that misunderstanding. As for your claims when Fizuli will belong to whom, it is absolutely irrelevant to content of the article. Neither it's relevant how unrecognized NK renames the city, because a) "NK government" is not recognized by anyone as a legitimate entity, simply because 30% Azeri population of NK did not participate in choosing this "government" but was simply ethnically cleansed; b) Fizuli is not administratively part of Nagorno-Karabakh but is another occupied region of Azerbaijan (see UN Security Council resolutions) on the border of NK region of Azerbaijan (again according to international definitions). Thanks. Atabek 02:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Raffi, again, a) you're a creator of Armeniapedia; b) you're not a scholar; c) you're not a neutral source; d) Armeniapedia was cited in the article against rules, and I responded saying (a)(b)(c). Again, you were not insulted anywhere, because I cited facts. As for what Armenians do and do not control, legally or illegally, is the matter of WP:SOAP, which I am not frankly interested in. And Varanda is the name of ancient Albanian principality in the region, to which Armenian side always laid claims, just like Khachen, Syunik and others. The name of Fizuli prior to Russian conquest, during Safavid and Qajar times, was Qarabulagh. So what? The most important is having non-neutral sources to cite information not just make claims. I am not interested in further disputes unrelated to content. Thanks. Atabek 07:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Raffi, you might be interested in this report filled against you by Atabek. I believe you deserve at least a simple courtesy notice. VartanM 08:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Raffi you going around and writing those comments on several user pages is certainly not acceptable. I don't want you to repeat that. You might be too sensitive about your child. Wikis are not reliable, likewise Imdb (the biggest movie database) is not deemed to be reliable. This might be a perfect example of WP:COI DenizTC 19:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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Tatev
Could you take a look at my comment on Talk:Tatev. John Vandenberg (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Raffi jan! Thanks for your important additions! Best regards, Andranikpasha (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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Mennn
Uff men first hello second i don't get what armenians want from Azerbaijan to take  our land,music food wht u want u ?. u try u know evrywhere to depict N/k as a separate goverment ohh  so can u say me how many goverments accet it???????it's so booring for centuries you killed azeris and turks(as well we kiled ur ancestors)so what's the point Armenians stole Sari galin music from Azerbaijan so what u can't even sing it normally not as beaitiful as we do!!!!!! it's fact dude,anyway write what u want about N/K u know the truth armenian goverment can't cope with current situation and it's already observing idea of N/k and it's status anyway u kill yourself i don't know explode trains do some terrorism write on albanian church armenian church what u will do will turn against u .remember that...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cavansir (talk • contribs) 15:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey!
Probably you have told me I look like an Armenian, it is probably I have some Armenian genes in my blood, because you know as Armenian villages were invaded many years ago the women could not escape :) (cantikadam (talk) 14:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC))