User talk:Ragib/Archive 3

Grameen Bank
I'm a newbie and I've been trying to improve Grameen Bank. I've done a little work, but I could still use any advice you have. Thanks! -- wghughes 2:16, 8 August 2005

Districts of Bangladesh
Some districts are spelt in different ways that others. For example, Gopalganj district but Chuadanga District. Shouldn't we standardise? -- Urnonav 12:26, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Aurangzeb RV
thanks. What was that all about, anyway?? --Nemonoman 20:05, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * This is the main problem with POV vandals, they delete huge chunks of the article they don't like. The anon user in question removed a lot of text about Aurangzeb's acts, I am guessing this was a pro-Aurangzeb anon. I have had to deal with extreme opinions in both sides in this article ... and they keep coming back. :) --Ragib 20:16, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The anon ip 203.94.224.15 resolves back to an ISP in Delhi. --Ragib 20:18, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

actually Mumbai see this nice page:

IP locator

NSCB
To resolve the issue I've opened a straw poll on the talk page. Please vote! I'm considering nominating you to an admin's post. Are you inclined to this? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  08:10, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll nominate you on Monday since I'll probably be out of town over the weekend. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  10:00, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Ragib,

I would be delighted to help. I really think this is a good chance to get the stuff about Bangladesh organized.

Ehtesham

Thanks, Ragib
I've been working on the French wikipédia for ages actually and the only tough thing is to figure out how key words translate (like Template for Modèle, etc.) Thanks for your welcoming. JX Bardant 2 July 2005 03:23 (UTC)

This is profvk thanking you for welcoming me into the Wikepedia family. Yes, I like to be here and I like the working here. A lot of organization has gone into the marathon work that all of you folks have accomplished already. Congratulations. I have just started. What I have seen so far must only be the tip of the iceberg. I shall certainly come back to you when I get to know more of Wikepedia and I need to know further more. Thanks. --Profvk 18:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. Have my articles been in keeping with the policies thusfar? It is an amazing opportunity to finally categorize and share some lists and books that I have long forgotten. Went a little overboard maybe with some web sources, but I like completeness.

--Sandman30s 18:34, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi Ragib,

Thanks for greeting me. As time permits I hope to put more effort into the Wiki projects. As a newb I plan on only joining discussions about pages, till I feel comfy enough thinking in terms of wiki content & format.

--Erielhonan 03:45, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the warm welcome and what are you doing for your PhD --Techguru

Thank you for your kind (and useful :) welcome. I've been using wikipedia for some time and now hope to contribute with some useful content soon enough.

--Outlyer 18:04, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

wikiWelcome script oversensitive
Hi Ragib,

Thanks for the greeting, but I think that your script might be a little over-sensitive, as 39 edits(some of them writing new articles) between 21 September 2004 and 22 July 2005 could been construed as stretching the definition of a new user. Perhaps it should be restricted to first edits?

Best regards, --A1kmm 04:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Plassey
Hi Ragib

For the English, I would definitely say that the spelling "Plassey" should remain, since this is the accepted spelling of the name in English, just like "Tagore", "Sen", "Bose", "Chowdhury", etc. But I agree that some sort of transliteration of the Bengali pronunciation of the name should also be available. For the transliteration, I don't think either Palashi or Palashee is really accurate, since our scheme would encode the first vowel as ô, giving Pôlashi.

So I guess "Battle of Plassey (local name Pôlashi)" or something like that would work.

--SameerKhan 19:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, from this explanation, and from the opposing viewpoints, I guess you are right. We would probably have to wait until the spelling Polashi becomes more common (as Kolkata became so). Thanks. --Ragib 19:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from LokiCT
Hallo, and thank you for the warm welcome. Cheers, LokiCT 22:23, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

My Welcome
Hello Ragib, thanks for your welcome. But I'm only here, because I use flacus interwikilinktool at the moment. My english is (what a pitty) too bad, to write articels here, so I only make changes in style or so things, if I see it. --DaB. 22:26, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Giant Panda
Thanks for leaving me a message, I was reverting bits of vandalism by an anon user and thought that was the latest version. I fixed my mistake already and left an explanation in the edit summary. --TheMidnighters 01:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Bir Sreshtho
By the way, I'm Bangladeshi too. About the Bir Sreshtho, many categories have less than 8 articles.

Bir Sreshtho
By the way, I'm Bangladeshi too. About the Bir Sreshtho, many categories have less than 8 articles.


 * Yes, but that still does not justify making a category. "Bangladeshi war heroes" would be a better option here. Thanks. --Ragib 02:57, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

how to delete the user page
Dear Mr.Rajib, Please accept my sincere apology to you. I was mistakenly accuse you but i'm realize that you are very nice guy and so gentle. By the way, How can i delete user page? can you help me please???please advice? do you have yahoo or msn id?? I would like to talk you when you are free .Kindly let me know.

thanks, chong kwa


 * Note: This user just attempted to list for both speedy deletion and VfD a talk page for another anonymous IP. This is after the user was warned for vandalism on that talk page. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  20:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Chong Kwa, Wikipedia policy prohibits deletion/blanking of talk pages. The talk pages are good because they reflect the discussion on different issues. So, there is no way of deleting user talk pages. Please do not use inappropriate tags to talk pages. Thanks. --Ragib 21:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Yes, I am a Bangali (from Kolkata!) presently working in Kochi. You may visit my user page for a look of me ;)

I have also been working on some medical articles, apart from Indian/Bengali. I am also trying to link many articles which appear as a red link but actually the pages are there under different headers and no redirection page has been created either.

Bangla Wikipedia dekhte giye dekhi je sekhane <1000 articles achhe! Arekta mushkil hochchhe je ekhane amaar browser bangla font support korena. Aami Peter Suber-er Open Access Initiative-er Bangla onubad korechhi (Roman script-ei). Supten 09:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Supten, are you using WinXP? The Bangla support should be there. You can get Bangla typing support from www.ekushey.org with keyboard mappings and fonts. I am too lazy to write to the Bangla Wikipedia, so for now, I'm sticking to the English version to promote Bangla related topics. I've seen your user page earlier. Anyway, feel free to work on History of Bengal and other topics ... :) --Ragib 10:00, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi Ragib I have voted for you. Right now I am trying to Wikify Salil Chowdhury. Most of the music talents (including Lata Mangeshkar) are not wikified properly and finding the inconsistencies and fixing them is taking a lot of time. Supten 06:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Salil is the correct spelling.Supten 06:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Islam poll
Some people from an anti-islam site like to add their link & stuff on all major Islam articles .I thought you might be interested in this. Also call others who might be helpful .Farhansher 04:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Copyright question on Gandhi's photo
Hi,

This photo is from Henri Cartier-Bresson, a French photographer who died in 2004. It was taken in January 1948 in Delhi, a few days before the death of Gandhi. This photo is copyrighted until 2074, 70 years after the death of Cartier-Bresson. The case is different is the photographer is Indian where the law is that the copyright extends 60 years after the photo was taken. Also there are many PD photos of Gandhi, we don't need this one. Cartier-Bression is famous and his photos are valuated worldwide. So I suspect his heirs would make problems if they get to know we publish photos without paying them royalties. Yann 16:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, now the copyright issue is clear to me. And I agree that there are many more public domain photos of Mahatma Gandhi which we can use. Thanks a lot for the clarification. --Ragib 16:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Transliteration
Hi,

I agree with all of that. I don't understand this:


 * For people's names, there is no real need to tranliterate unless the person has a different name in Bangla ... e.g. like Tagore.

What do you mean by "different name"? My notion on this is to transliterate immediately after the Bangla script and leave it right there.

As for IPA, due to the difficulty - or rather, near-impossibility - in typing IPA characters, we could use the scheme on the Bengali script page. Every letter has a related IPA symbol marked on that page. Sounds good?

Urnonav 19:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * By different name I mean that the commonly used name for the person in English differs from the actual name in Bangla, for example, as with Tagore. For others like "Humayun Ahmed", the name is pronounced almost the same way in Bangla and English, so I don't see any need to change it. Then, I looked into other people from South Asia, for example, Mahatma Gandhi, does not have any such transliteration. So, I don't think we need to spell out people's name/transliterations. Thanks. --Ragib 19:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Subdivisions template
Looks absolutely fantastic! I'm taking a little vacation now, but when I return (in about 3 weeks), I'll actively start using it.

Urnonav 19:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Admin
Sorry abt the delay. Was v. busy and then the rains here! Should I nominate you today? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  15:02, July 30, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok your under the hammer now. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:46, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

vandal
I've blocked Antirajib (permanently) as being an account created simply to attack you, with a hostile User name. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Your double revert of Terrorism in Kashmir
You have twice reverted my Terrorism in Kashmir article. It's an article which is completely one-sided and calls the freedom fighters of Kashmir militant over 30 times. If you are not gonna do anything to make it neutral, why are you constantly reverting it? Sir Toby Belch 22:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, if you are concerned with some contents of the article, please come to the talk page Talk:Terrorism in Kashmir. You modified almost every single sentence in the article, unilaterally. Also, calling me a "traitor" and issuing a "last warning" is not really a constructive way of contributing to Wikipedia. I hope you's express your issues in the talk page first before making such huge changes. Thanks. --Ragib 22:27, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, fine, but it's you I see who seems to have delusions of being an admin, reverting everybody's contributions all day long. You seem to be drunk with the power of reversion, even though you have no special powers yet. What will happen, if god forbid, you ever became an admin? It's you who claims to be the knight in shining armor, galloping to the rescue of pages tainted by a non-NPOV. What happened to your sense of restoration of neutrality to articles when it comes to the Terrorism in Kashmir article. You took five minutes to revert it, but in 5 months, you couldn't bring yourself to restoring some shred of neutrality to it. Why? What's with this double standard. You have NO credibility left in many people's eyes, who have been watching you prance all over wikipedia. You have been exposed as an Indian agent in disguise. No wonder, I shouldn't hav expected much more from a Bangladeshi. Don't call us for help, when India takes over your pathetic country, because you won't get it. Good bye and good luck to you. Sir Toby Belch 22:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your outburst. I wonder where you were when I fought for making the article Pakistan / History of Pakistan NPOV. I didn't find you or others coming into the discussions to make that NPOV. I just hope you will convert your enthusiasm into constructive pursuits, rather than making edits based on ultra-nationalism and religious basis. Thanks. --Ragib 23:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * It's because of your contributions to those articles that I was particularly disappointed to see you revert my contributions. I cannot believe how biased the Terrorism in Kashmir article is. If atrocities are committed by Indian soldiers, isn't that state sponsored terrorism? Does terrorism have to be committed by non-military persons to be categorized terrorism? Write about the freedom fighters' operations, but why is there not one word about the Indian army's terrorism and extra-judicial summary executions, without a trial, of someone suspected of being a freedom fighter?


 * The article is written by ultra-nationalist hindus, who are pretending despite UN resolutions against them, as if they belong in Kashmir. And by other people to sit and watch quietly, they are contributing just as much to this outrage and doing no favors to wikipedia's reputation.


 * Where is the Kashmiri freedom fighters' point of view? Where is the ordinary Kashmiris' point of view? Where is Pakistan's point of view? It is a long monologue by the Indians - a rant against anybody who is fighting their utterly illegal occupation of Kashmir. Who the hell is one fat drunken pig (the maharaja), to decide the fate of the Kashmiris? The Indians have never been able to verify any documents supposedly signed by him. Besides, with a gun pointed to his head, don't you think that he would sign any article including one that proclaimed him to be a monkey's uncle?


 * Do you agree or not that the Kashmiris have a right to self-determaination? If yes, then why isn't it mentioned that many Kashmiris are fighting against the Indian occupation and for what they see as their legitimate liberation? How is it that different from the Bangladeshi struggle for independence?


 * Why are you so scared of the Indians when it comes to this article, when you didn't back away from confronting their one-sided nonsense before? My only demand is that this article be made neutral, otherwise, I'll be forced to write a script that would keep reverting it endlessly, using spoofed IP numbers. And I really don't want it to come to that. Thanks. Sir Toby Belch 23:31, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I would tell you once again, take the issue to Talk:Terrorism in Kashmir, rather than modifying the article with some spurious edit summary. It is fine if you want to write about the "Other view", "freedom fighters" etc. But your edit was to modify almost every sentence and reverting the POV to the other direction. That is not the way things work, if you swing the article that way, there would be some other "ultra-nationalist" in the other point of view who will do the same. Just go ahead and voice your opinions in the talk page of Talk:Terrorism in Kashmir. In my edits to Wikipedia, I don't act on my religious/racial affiliations. While you are accusing me of reverting your edits (the fact you reverted every sentence notwithstanding), I am taking steps to make the article Kashmir NPOV. So, stop throwing obsceneties on me, and work positively.
 * Finally, I am quite disappointed at your outright threat of vandalism when you say:


 * "otherwise, I'll be forced to write a script that would keep reverting it endlessly, using spoofed IP numbers."


 * That sort of behavior would only result in youn getting blocked. Vandalism is not the way, if you want to have your say, do it in the talk page. Wikipedia is built upon co-operation, not vandalism. Thanks. --Ragib 23:40, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * So, I'll get blocked? So what? Will I not be able to eat or sleep if that happened? Besides, I did not say that I would vandalize the Terrorism in Kashmir page. I said that my code would keep reverting the page to a version which I feel has NPOV. And not the current obscenity of an article, that you are dieing to defend, simply because hindus have nominated you for a lousy admin position. Sir Toby Belch 00:12, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * See above for your statement which I just quoted. Also, stop being so much hateful of people from other religions. If you had so much care for the article, I should have seen a statement or two at the discussion page for Talk:Terrorism in Kashmir. I see none. Thanks. --Ragib 00:16, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not gonna dignify that with an answer. However, my code certainly will. Sir Toby Belch 00:22, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You mean you're not going to dignify yourself with a response? You have some serious POV issues and are being extremely childish. --thereverendeg 01:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I disagree
I disagree with your view that that caption is POV. Not putting such a note is POV, the Pakistani POV. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 19:17, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * But Hemanshu, on the same note, any Pakistani can claim that "Not putting such a note (in India's page) is POV, the Indian POV", right? The argument goes both ways, and it is better not to start the such accusation/counter-accusation on the country pages for both countries. --Ragib 19:22, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Kashmir
I notice that u've restored certain rants after they were removed. It is better that such rants are ignored and deleted as they lead to more counter-rants. According to me, removing these rants, is the best solution. Thanks --IncMan 04:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't like the rants either. But removal of comments from talk pages may be against wikipedia's policy. Once, I had removed some similar rants from a talk page, but several users and admins told me not to do so. After all, blanking rants is not the solution, ignoring them is the best policy. If you blank some comments, that would give the vandals/trolls yet another example to do it by themselves too. Bulldozer (the rant in question) is a troll, just trying to incite a response. If you blank his comment, you give him the excuse to rant some more. So, just ignore them. I hope you get my point... Thanks for your message. --Ragib 04:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Advice
Ragib, I need some advice from you and would like to discuss the matter through email. If thts possible, could you contact me using this link. Cheers --IncMan 11:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Nope, I haven't received any mail from you yet. Try this link. Thanks --User:Deepak gupta 07:06, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ragib, forget the link. Drop me a line at deepak_gupta@hotmail.com. Thanks --User:Deepak gupta 08:24, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Received yr mail. Thanks --User:Deepak gupta 12:34, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Khaleda Zia
Yep, you're absolutely right. I should have double-checked the anonymous contribution, because now that I think twice, it was pretty unlikely. Thanks for catching my mistake. (For penance, I'll try to finally scan and upload some nice photos I took when I visited Bangladesh in 1999 - after I get back from vacation...) CDC   (talk)  23:22, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem :). The education issue is quite controvertial in Bangladeshi politics, her opposition parties claim her of studying only up to the 8th grade, while her party claims she studied up to college level (equiv to High school graduation). But unless we can get proven information on the opposite claim, I guess we need to stick to the official version. After all, that's the biography also present at the United Nations website. Anyway, thanks for your message, and have a nice vacation. --Ragib 23:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Aha - I see. If the claims of lesser education are really widely held, and can be attributed to specific opposition groups, I suppose there might be room in the article for a mention that the opposition makes the claim, and that it's controversial? I won't add it myself, because I don't know how credible or widespread it is, and brief poking around with LexisNexis and Google didn't turn up anything.   CDC   (talk)  23:48, 2 August 2005 (UTC)