User talk:Rainbase

Notability of Jan goldstein
A tag has been placed on Jan goldstein requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Corvus cornix talk  22:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of The Rain Desert
A tag has been placed on The Rain Desert requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Mission Fleg (talk) 09:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The Rain Desert
I have nominated The Rain Desert, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/The Rain Desert. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC) SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

June 2016
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Desert Rain band, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising, as you did at Desert Rain band. ''Your edits only promote the band, and the links you add aren't reliable sources. In addition, you keep restoring a list of unacceptable external links, also serving as promotion. Given your previous (deleted) articles, you are here only to promote this band and the restaurant it plays in, co-owned by the bass player (who may well be you), as is clear from this "reference" as well.'' Drmies (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Desert Rain band


A tag has been placed on Desert Rain band, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Drmies (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi! As the nomination of Desert Rain band for speedy deletion was contested, I have added it to the articles for deletion section. Please do not remove the template. You are welcome to give your views at Articles for deletion/Desert Rain band. KaisaL (talk) 23:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi again. As I have replied on the AFD discussion, please do not feel you should avoid editing the article while the discussion is ongoing. Anything you can do to improve it, add additional reliable sources (news coverage, major music websites, etc) and so on will help the debate on whether the band meet the notability guidelines. KaisaL (talk) 00:06, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Alright; this sounds good, Kaisal. Thanks for the info and help. I understand that I need better references. I'm sure I can provide some, but it will take me some time and research. We have indeed been featured in articles over the years, but will need to track that stuff down with whatever band mates might have in in old boxes or whatever. I will supply this sort f information as quickly as it is fund. We did maintain a commercial website but let it go in the age of social media. I believe archive.org wayback machine captured a version of the commercial site so perhaps that would be anther usable source? At any doubt I will keep plugging along and hope fr the best. Thanks again!

Conflict of Interest - Desert Rain band
Hello, Rainbase. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the article Desert Rain band, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
 * instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. KaisaL (talk) 21:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@Kaisal  Hi Kaisal. Please bare with me, but I guess I remain a little confused about how I have been proceeding here. Since I was told in an earlier exchange that I should continue editing the Desert Rain band entry here on wiki, so I'm guessing that I was flagged for working on the discography section of the article. I'm quite sure that any edits I made to the main article were, as suggested, to "tone it down" ( I removed adjectives, etc.). While help from Mudwater, I have been working to get our citations in order and believe I will soon have everything I need in that department. As I have been adding the group's albums to the discography I have been linking them back to the main article they came from. Is that what generated a COI? Is that something I should not be doing and do I need to create a suggestion template if I want to continue with the discography section? I apologize if these come off a basic questions, but this really is confounding me. Thanks in advance for your reply! Cheers. Rainbase (talk) 21:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Wrong Side of the Brain


The article The Wrong Side of the Brain has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * The article about the band that created this album is currently at AfD. Whether or not that survives, I've done a fairly thorough web search, and can find no coverage of this. If that gets deleted, then this can be deleted under CSDA9.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on |the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:21, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Userfied page
Hello! As per the consensus at Articles for deletion/Desert Rain band, I have moved the article about the band to your private user space. You can find it at User:Rainbase/Desert Rain band. There you can add references and do other improvements. Now that it is out of the main encyclopedia, you can take your time without worrying about it getting deleted. Before you try to put the article back into the encyclopedia, you might ask User:Mudwater, the friendly commenter at the AfD discussion, to take a look at it and see if they think it now meets Wikipedia's requirements at WP:NMUSIC.

Some cautions: be sure to observe the warnings you have gotten above about WP:Conflict of interest and promotional language. For example, the article currently contains a lot of unsourced, chatty stuff about the "folklore" of the band; the article would be better off without most of that material unless it can be referenced to an independent source. Take a look at other articles about bands and see how they present the facts without making it into an advertisement for the band. Good luck. --MelanieN (talk) 18:18, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Rainbase. The main thing now will be for you to track down the printed references.  Now that the page has been "userfied", there's no time pressure.  I can help you with the now-proposed-article, as MelanieN suggested, and in particular if you have a technical question about how to do something, I might know the answer.  Right now I do have one suggestion in fact.  I suggest that you create your user page, with a link to the draft of the article.  To do that, click on the red text saying "Rainbase" that you'll see near the upper right of the page.  Then in the editing area, paste in this text, without the quotation marks: "/Desert Rain band".  Save that.  If you do it right, you will have created your user page, and that will have a link to the draft article.  So from then on, to get to the draft, just click on "Rainbase" in the upper right (which will no longer be red) to get to your user page, and click on the link to get to the draft. — Mudwater (Talk) 19:44, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello. I've gone ahead and done this for you.  So, you now have a user page, with a link to the userfied article "Desert Rain band".  When you're signed in to Wikipedia, there will be a link to your user page, labeled "Rainbase", near the upper right of any page.  If you go there you can get to the userfied article with one click.  Let me know if you have any questions or comments.  P.S. Editing someone else's user page, as I've done here, is considered pretty unorthodox -- it's rarely done at all -- but I thought it was the right approach in this case. — Mudwater (Talk) 12:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Right Side of the Brain


The article The Right Side of the Brain has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable album. Note that the parent band's article has been userfied (in effect deleted) so there is currently nothing to redirect this article to.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on |the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. MelanieN (talk) 18:21, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Desert Rain's American Dream


The article Desert Rain's American Dream has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable album. Note that the parent band's article has been userfied (in effect deleted) so there is no target for a redirect.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on |the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. MelanieN (talk) 18:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)