User talk:Rainbowdoor

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Actuaries Institute moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to Actuaries Institute. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it is promotional and reads like an advertisement. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Mel ma nn  09:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your review Melmann. I tried carefully to avoid promotional language and I don't see this article as substantially different in regards to promotional language to similar articles for actuarial organisations such as Society of Actuaries and Institute and Faculty of Actuaries which have been accepted, but clearly I don't understand. So, I would appreciate any advice on specific words/phrases/sentences or the overall approach that are considered promotional and what changes I might make. Actuaries Institute is a major professional organisation in Australia and, in my opinion, deserves a Wikipedia entry. Your assistance to create an entry which meets Wikipedia guidelines would be greatly appreciated. Rainbowdoor (talk) 11:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Actuaries Institute (June 26)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ratnahastin was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Actuaries Institute and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
 * If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/New_question&withJS=MediaWiki:AFCHD-wizard.js&page=Draft:Actuaries_Institute Articles for creation help desk], on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ratnahastin&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Actuaries_Institute reviewer's talk page] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Ratnahastin (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Paid editing
Hello Rainbowdoor. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Rainbowdoor. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Theroadislong (talk) 21:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you Theroadislong. I am aware of the paid editing guidelines but I am not being paid by and I do not work for Actuaries Institute. As it happens I am retired and am not paid by and do not work for anyone. I would be interested to understand what makes you infer that "the nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting aa topic" because I actually don't. Could this be a reason the article has been rejected, and if so, how would I demonstrate my independence? Rainbowdoor (talk) 21:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You may not be paid but a simple Google search shows you have a VERY clear conflict of interest that you need to disclose. Theroadislong (talk) 21:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So, how do I do that? Rainbowdoor (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Rainbowdoor. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Actuaries Institute, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the edit COI template)—don't forget to give details of reliable sources supporting your suggestions;
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see );
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see );
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 06:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your advice @Theroadislong. Rainbowdoor (talk) 07:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Theroadislong, I have added a COI declaration to my talk page in accordance with Wikipedia policies and removed your WP:PAID template because it is incorrect. On balance I have decided not to continue to edit Draft:Actuaries Institute even though I would not benefit personally, professionally or financially from its publication. Rainbowdoor (talk) 02:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Rainbowdoor (talk) 02:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)