User talk:Rajanaicker

What?
I am sorry but RAJAKAMBALAM NAICKER was virtually incomprehensible so I have moved it to User:Rajanaicker/sandbox. When you have cleaned it up, feel free to move it back but the new title must not be SHOUTED. &mdash; RHaworth 21:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Rajakambalam
Rajakambalam (ராஜகம்பளம் or Rajakambala nayakar, kambalatar or thottiyar ) are a Telugu community of the state of Tamil Nadu, southern India, and are one of the branches of the kapu,balija community.

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Rajakambala Nayakar
(Section moved to sandbox, as per above. Talk pages are not the place to develop articles). - Sitush (talk) 02:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, moved to User:Rajanaicker/sandbox1 because User:Rajanaicker/sandbox contains an alternate development of the same article. - Sitush (talk) 02:49, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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Paraiyar
Please can you explain why you added citation requests here? The source clearly supports the statements. - Sitush (talk) 02:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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HAI SITUSH
[] see here Rajakambalam Nayakar or Thottiya nayakar is same only. and here references[] there marriage customs are there. please YOU itself edit as per the rules of wikkipedia. All the details are there but dont know much to write in english, Shall u help to write ?-- Rajanaicker

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sitush, please refer this books and all the history i written is true but it is just copy as the books and gazeeters and my own contributions too. please improve this article by writing own words. History and branches all are same only. i written many things by own but history should not be own so i copied from book. please improve this article -- Rajanaicker

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Language problems
Hello! I am quite surprised that the copyright issues in the articles that you are creating not getting spotted earlier. Unfortunately, regardless of your acknowledged problems with writing in English, you cannot copy content into Wikipedia articles except in some very specific circumstances. I realise from your note above that this is going to present a real problem to you. My suggestion would be to use a different version of Wikipedia. We have, for example, a Tamil version and a Malayalam one, and while I do not know what your first language is, I am fairly sure that you would find it easier to contribute using a native language version of the project.

Regarding specifically your article on the Rajakambalam Nayakar, I rather think that your lack of English skills is the reason why this article was so confused. In fact, I do not think that it should exist because you have misread various sources and you have treated everything as being related to the Rajakambalams when in almost every case the sources were referring to a wider group of people (usually, the Tottiyans, who include the likes of the Gollavar, the Sillayar etc). In fact, I can find virtually no references specifically to the Rajakambalams using the various options at Google. The one that does appear shows up in practically all of the book sources (47 of them) and seems to be a definition taken from a government report. That report was probably the Mandal Commission, and the definition says simply "Thottia Naicker (including Rajakambalam, Gollavar, Sillayar, Thokalavar and Tholuva Naikar", as shown here. We have an article called Thuluva Vellalar but I do not know if that is the same community as "Tholuva Naikar". If it is, then we should probably redirect Rajakambalam Nayakar to that article; and if it is not then perhaps we need to have a one-line article for "Thottia Nayakar" that just quotes the definition I mentioned above.

I am sorry about this, but we do have do be very careful. - Sitush (talk) 07:01, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, i am also belongs to this community only ,my first language is Tamil. we grouply called as Rajakambalam Nayakar. Thottiyans, thottiya nayakars all are same. []. They found in Sivaganga, Virudunagar, Ramanathapuram, Kancheepuram,Tiruvallur, Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Tiruvarur, Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur, Pudukottai. Tirunelveli, Thoothukudi, Salem, Namakkal,Vellore, Tiruvannamalai, Coimbatore and Erode Districts of Tamilnadu Its also noted in Govt website. These and all will include? . - Rajanaicker


 * Rajanaicker, did you know that there is a Wikipedia in Tamil language? You can find the main page at . You are allowed to try to keep editing here so long as you follow our policies, but I'm just wondering if it might be easier for you to work in your native language. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:19, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Qwyrxian, Yes i know tamil wikkipedia and i wrote same history of this community in Tamil language [] this is my contribution only. But very interested to write in English because this community peoples spread across South india with 4 languages they speaking, so English is the common language. I am writing only a part of this community many with own words like. i am just starting, Peoples like you with well English knowledge have to develop this article. Thats my request. Nearly all the poligars, zamindars, Nayak kings all belongs to this caste but many forgetting history , as i am a Tamil History student i am eager to write many history and contribute many history in tamil based wikki. i am enclosing all the evidences and articles here. SO any one will develop it. Thanku ||-- Rajanaicker


 * I am trying to find English sources (cannot read Tamil, sorry) and I am struggling. I think that this may come back to the problem that I have already highlighted: the Rajakambalam are one sub-group of a larger group and whilst it may be correct that members of the larger group were poligars/zamindars etc that does not mean that they were Rajakambalam. I'll keep reading, but I have also asked a Tamil speaker whether they would be willing to jump in here - they may know more regarding sources/background etc and it might be easier for us both to sort things out with a contribution from someone who has good skills in both languages. They may also know more about how things work at the Tamil Wikipedia because I think that the rules there are less strict than they are here. - Sitush (talk) 16:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

sorry please, Rajakambalam is the name for all the nine kambalam community ( 9 clans ). thottiyans, kappiliyans , tholuva nayakar etc are all Rajakambalam peoples. that i enclosed here. thottiya nayakar is the other name for this peoples. Nearly all the poligars are kambalas clan. []. wrongly misunderstanding by you i think, kambalas or thottiyans are same. in that 9 divisions there, that too for marriage purposes they splitted and each clan marriage with different clan to know who is sister and who is marriage relations like that. so all kambalas are same. no zamindars, poligars noted as that 9 division. they noted only on thottiyan or kambalas etc. so its not having any doubt that rajakambalam or thottiya nayakars is different. Peoples of tamilnadu knows this.

yes i understood your point, yeah ! any Tamil speaker will rectify it, i too hope so ! Thank you - Rajanaicker


 * My point is that Rajakambalam is little used as a name in the English sources, whereas other names are common. Furthermore, Rajakambalam is defined as a sub-group in the only modern statement that refers to them (and that statement is quoted by multiple sources). My concern, therefore, is that you are engaging in synthesis and original research. - Sitush (talk) 16:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Thottiyans and Kambalas are same
[] Here kambalas or thottiyans means that they are same. Some districts they calling as Kambalathu Nayakar, in some districts they noted as Thottiya nayakar. many references there. English peoples specifiying this caste peoples as Thottiyans. And the marriage customs of this sect community everything is noted here. They also called as Kambala Thottiyans. [].Kappiliyans are one of the nine kambalam, Nine kambalam are grouply called as Kambalatars or Rajakambalam. Thottiyans also one of the kambalams. [].

Why removed everything ? HERE all the nine kambalams are mentioned. [], topics neednot be revert because Thottiyans also one of the kambalams. --Rajanaicker


 * I am trying to sort it out for you. It is very messy and we have to be careful because we have policies regarding things such as original research and synthesis. A lot of the sources that you are offering are also extremely out of date. The article at one point effectively said that the Rajakambalam are dominant in numerous areas places but also that they are nearly extinct - and both statements were sourced. There is something not right here and I need to work out what it is. The problem is all in the naming, and please do not ignore the fact that there are communities in India that have the same or similar names but have absolutely no connection to each other. A classic was your use of "Nayakar", which is a community title found throughout the country and capable of being applied to at least 50 or 60 different groups. - Sitush (talk) 08:20, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I am editing one by one
The Rajakambalam Nayakar are a Telugu community of the state of Tamil Nadu in southern India. They are a branch of the Balija community, which is itself a part of the Kapu caste. .The Rajakambalam have been referred to by many other names, including Rajakambala Nayakar, Kambalatar, Thottiya Nayakar, Kambili Nayudu, Tholuva Nayakar, Thuluva Nayakar, and Vadugar. . The community is found predominantly in the Southern districts of Tamil Nadu viz., Madurai, Theni, Virudhunagar, Tuticorin, Dindigul, Namakkal, Thirunelveli, Salem, Erode, Coimbatore, Karur, Tiruchy, Tirupur, and Ramanathapuram districts of Tamil Nadu. . The caste title is Nayakar.

Etymology
The term Nayakar is a Telugu word meaning "leader" or "ruler". The nine Kambalam - namely, Chillavar, Thockalavar, Gollavar, Eragula, Palavar, Anuppan, Erasinnavar, Valakavar, and Vekiliyar - are together known as Rajakambalatar. .-- Rajanaicker

IS THIS OK ?


 * No. Stop, please. You are doing so many things wrong here. Just give me a bit of time. - Sitush (talk) 08:21, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

ok Thank you brother, improve this article. please improve and add the history and branches here that will help to many peoples, Nayakar is one of the dominant community in Tamilnadu but it doesnot have any wikki. ok improve it brother. Thanku for your calm advice to me -- Rajanaicker

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there are many book references about this community and shows the poligars, vijayanagar empire , zamindars. --Rajanaicker

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List of Nayakar
Why did you create List of Nayakar ? It is hopeless as a list: some of the communities already have their own lists, others (eg: from North India) are not covered at all, it is mostly unsourced, it includes violations of our policy regarding biographies of living people, and so on. Your enthusiasm is admirable but you are creating a lot of very poor articles here. Nayakar is a title also, I think? - Sitush (talk) 16:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * And you have created List of Kambalathu Nayakars also. - Sitush (talk) 16:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

many articles like list of Thevars, list Pillais, list of mudaliyars many there in wikki know?. its too titles only not to particular community. Nayakar is used only in Tamilnadu. Nayak, Nayake, Naick like that only in North india. But Nayakar is the Tamil version. so only i writing. that too i am not paticular about Rajakambalam Nayakar i written all the Nayakar using caste peoples here. --Rajanaicker


 * No, I am wandering back through your edits and people are correcting you all over the place. You appear to have a certain position and you are misusing sources to push that position, particularly in articles regarding towns etc. The more I look at your contributions, the more concerned I am becoming. I think that you should exercise much more care in your edits than you have been doing, and I am increasingly of the opinion that your command of English is insufficient correctly to understand the sources that you are using. This is unfortunate but, hey, my command of Tamil is zero - and that is why I stay well away from Tamil Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * ok, please improve this article by some peoples who well in both languages . And include whatever that apply to all wikki rules . include those you accept from that references . simply deleted all the contents in that article . so do ,as you can or with your Tamil Friends . Tamil Wikki also very strict but that is local they know here situation and many newspapers, articles will come about this community in Tamil so i enclosed many things , here admin also know about Tamilnadu situations . so here no problem . i did mistakes in Tamil also in start but now somewhat i know the poilicy here and contribute many articles in Tamil.

Now only i trying in English wikki, hope here also one day will come best. Now, add those who accept from that articles u deleted all the entire articles. --Rajanaicker


 * Towns who having majority of these caste peoples all noted regularly in Tamil Magazines and in elections they listed in which area which community is dominating like that so in Tamil wikki i can edit this by solid proof . But that is not possible in English wikki . Like local traditions and all known by every local peoples but some what struggling in English . Peoples like you can do to improve the articles . --Rajanaicker
 * Yes, but we can't improve the articles without reliable sources; and (at least Sitush and I) can't read Tamil, so Tamil sources don't help us. You can try looking for another user who speaks Tamil (let me know if you want me to ask), but there is a limit to what we can do. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * yeah ! i enclosed many gazetter, articles and madurai manual etc . in all this community is noted .yes , any Tamilnadu peoples will come and include all those my previous articles . everything i written is true and evidences , the only thing is some history i written is same the author told in book , thats all . Hope any one will enclose the past articles . Thank you !- Rajanaicker


 * I asked if they could help but apparently they can converse in Tamil but not read/write it. They put me in touch with someone else and so I have left a note with that person. I have no idea when they will be next on English Wikipedia but it does look as if they pop over here at least a couple of times a week. Usually, my first port of call is  but I know that they are very busy trying to sort out some stuff at Tamil Wikipedia right now. We will just have to be patient, I guess. - Sitush (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * sure i will wait as long but article should be develop by someone . It is one of the important dominate community in Tamilnadu so only eager to write, these peoples having many history with them still and only for this community many english peoples written about their caste . Veerapandiya Kattabomman and many famous poligars belongs to this caste , so English peoples itself written their history and in [[

]] BOOK too its noted. ok we will wait. ya i know Sodabottle , he only encouraging me to write in Tamil and Told many of my faults in starting time. He is busy i think in Tamil, he only checked all my articles and wrote as per norms. So let us see anyone will come and write this articles. We make patient. - Rajanaicker
 * Thanks for pausing on the articles...it seems like multiple things are causing problems here. Obviously language is the biggest one. You said above, "ok, please improve this article by some peoples who well in both languages" Yes, that would be ideal. But what we cannot do in the meantime is for you to add a bunch of unverified information or information in English that is so unclear that no one can understand.  If info is in the articles right now and it can't be verified, or we have reason to believe there is a problem with the sources, then we just can't include it now. There's no rush--Wikipedia will be around for a long time, and once either English language sources or someone with high level language skills in Tamil and English becomes available, then the info will be added.  That's not the only problem, though. Sundar indicated that your problem isn't just with English, but that other users had to undo your edits on Tamil Wikipedia as well.  I don't know what their policies are (each language has its own policies), but in general we share the idea that we only allow information that is verified by reliable sources.  This is true for groups that don't have much written about them, or who believe that what is written about them is "wrong".
 * You can continue to try to work on English Wikipedia, but know that your efforts will be watched, and any problems may be undone. Probably the best thing you can do right now is to stop trying to make big changes (like totally altering pages, or making new pages). Try making small improvements: fixing small facts with references, adding references (make sure they meet wP:RS, and if you're not sure, ask me here). This might make it possible for you to slowly and gradually improve Wikipedia coverage on Tamil-related subjects.  But the end result is that you can't just make a whole bunch of changes and then expect other (bilingual) editors to clean them up, and you definitely can't make changes that run against our policies.  Qwyrxian (talk) 03:55, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * ok thanku ! - shall i try little by little to develop this article with references ? - Rajanaicker


 * I am sorry but I have had to revert you again. You keep saying that these are all the same group of people but I have proven to you that they are not. Your sources are going to have to be extremely specific and, as I have said before, I for one cannot find any that are so. "Nayakar", for example, is not enough to verify that they are Rajakambalam ... and I still think that the Rajakambalam article should not exist because there is only one source that even acknowledges the community. In my opinion, the article should be deleted or be a single sentence stub, as described above. - Sitush (talk) 08:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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