User talk:Ralphdpomeroy

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Burnley
Hello, I'm a reasonably experienced editor who happens to be primarily interested in Burnley. Your additions regarding the Crown Point decoy are interesting, but problematic. Hopefully I can help fix the problems. As it happens I've been recently working on Hameldon Hill so I am pretty well aware of the decoy sites. It appears that you may not be aware, but the Crown Point site was one of five in the local system. This includes the site near Heights Farm, which I also wrote about at Scheduled monuments in Lancashire. Historic England's records provide some info on each. This link is for the Crown Point site, the others can be found in the Related Warden Records section at the bottom. The source you have provided only confirms that the bombing raid happened in Burnley and I could not find anything to connect it to the decoy. I did however find this news article confirms one dead and others injured when a bomb scored a direct hit to the shelter there on that date. Used together this would be just enough to properly source your additions, but I wonder if you have access to a source with more info? Additionally I plan to add/return some info on the other decoy sites. As you are a new user I'm not sure when you might see this. I will leave it a week or so and if you've not responded here, I'll proceed on my own. All the best. TiB chat  16:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes I knew about the other sites - I lived in Worsthorne for over twenty years http://www.lancashireatwar.co.uk/crown-point-decoy/4584685524 cites 'War Time Trail - A historical walk of Burnley's WWII landscape" plus personal testimony from residents of Rossendale Avenue which I shall endeavour to find - heaven only knows where it is, I am afraid I am otherwise engaged writing up lesson plans at the moment so it could be a while ! Ralphdpomeroy (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/lancashire-bomb-sites.5269/ have a look at posts 10-18 quite interesting as a mixture of fact and myth .. I've got some more details from an eye witness account somewhere ... do you know anything about a German airman begging cigarettes in Cliviger/Worsthorne during WW2 ? someone asked me about it quite recently Ralphdpomeroy (talk) 20:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

http://www.warstateandsociety.com/Bombing-Britain ..this site evidences the 5.5.41 bombing - the night of a large raid on Merseyside


 * OK I've had a crack at sorting things out. I wrote most of that content, but at I time before I properly understood referencing the content. It is in need of quite a bit more work, which was already on my to do list. While the links you have provided are all interesting and can help increase our knowledge on the subject, I doubt any meet Wikipedia's Reliable sources policy, so I've not used them in the article. You will see that I've added the Lancashire Telegraph as a source, per my previous comment, because I'm sure it is up to standard. I also condensed the content Crown Point, because it was a little to much detail for an article about the town (would be great for an article about the decoys), or because it can't be verified by the sources currently in use. This certainly doesn't have to be the final version, but it important to conform the prose to the sources. I've looked for the War Time Trail pamphlet, but it seems to no longer be available online.


 * It is the first I've heard of a German airman begging cigarettes in Cliviger/Worsthorne during WW2 I'm afraid. I do remember someone adding mention of a PoW camp near Oswaldtwistle, which I suppose could be related somehow? It certainly seems highly unlikely that someone on the run would risk approaching the locals for a smoke. TiB chat  19:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes I found the German airman tale hard to believe - Wikipedia’s reference rules are quite amusing to me really as the site itself is frowned upon by large swathes of academia  - if I cited Wikipedia at work I would be laughed out of the building nine times out of ten. Good luck with your research I’ve got to concentrate on Berlin for a while now ! Ralphdpomeroy (talk) 19:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)