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WikiCup 2010 October newsletter
The 2010 WikiCup is over! It has been a long journey, but what has been achieved is impressive: combined, participants have produced over seventy featured articles, over five hundred good articles, over fifty featured lists, over one thousand one hundred "did you know" entries, in addition to various other pieces of recognised content. A full list (which has yet to be updated to reflect the scores in the final round) can be found here. Perhaps more importantly, we have our winner! The 2010 WikiCup champion is, with an unbelievable 4220 points in the final round. Second place goes to, with 2260, and third to , with 560. Congratulations to our other four finalists –, , and. Also, congratulations to, who withdrew from the competition with an impressive 2685 points earlier in this round.

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DYK for List of UK charts and number-one singles (1952–1969)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Sorry for cluttering up your talk page, but I wanted you to know that I appreciate your help with the footnotes! Thanks again! Location (talk) 17:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of List of number-one EPs (UK)
Hello! Your submission of List of number-one EPs (UK) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 28bytes (talk) 07:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Good to go now. As a side note, you may want to clarify in the Hits article why Rhonda/Ronda has two different spellings. I almost "fixed" it until I read the "Help Me, Rhonda" article and learned that the two different spellings were legitimate. Once the article hits the front page, readers may make the same mistake I almost did. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 14:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, good spot. Thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  14:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

NZ singles
I'll have another go at FLC with List of number-one singles from the 2000s (New Zealand). Before I re-nom it, would you be able to tell me if a Hung Medien page to verify each song would be acceptable by you (eg ). Thanks, Adabow (talk · contribs) Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I must of missed this. Here is my opinion on the references. Hung Median is, as far as I know, a reliable source, but if it is a straight choice between RIANZ and Hung Median use RIANZ. However, at >150k bytes you will get objections over size, especially as that would increase further if the Sept 06 onwards refs were formatted with a cite template (which is something that an FLCer would point out). Basically, I think you need to reduce the number of references. Perhaps you were suggesting Hung Media to have one reference per song, not one ref per week. Unfortunately that won't work because it doesn't specify which weeks. e.g. Bleeding Love had 5 weeks at #1 but non-consecutively. (Retracted as I see it does in the next "Track" section, but my further reduction point remains.) Not sure exactly how the Scapolo book works but covering 40 years worth it must have multiple #1s on a page and would greatly reduce the references up to 2006 (the first 300 odd). Outside referencing I still thing you are missing functionality by using rowspans and not making it sortable too, however that is just my opinion. Rambo's Revenge  (talk)
 * Thanks for your feedback, I do plan to sort the table/remove spans, but I need to sort the refs out. Scapolo's book gives only peaks, not which weeks a song was actually at number one. So would 171 references be few enough, do you think? Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot say for definate but would think so. This list has 150 refs but the size isn't to bad. The drastic reduction from 519 to 170–180 refs would greatly reduce the size and should sort that issue out I think. Good luck, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  12:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Mail back atcha
Hey dude, I think I replied in brief to you this morning (although my phone was playing up so who knows). Anyway... there might be an email in your inbox. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for List of number-one EPs (UK)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hits (The Beach Boys EP)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

"Teenage Dream (Glee Cast Version)"
Thanks for the archival of the IRMA page, but I was actually going to use it until the Hung Medien page got updated, which should be in a couple of days. But thanks, anyway! :) Yves (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, could you do a final check for Featured list candidates/List of Buso Renkin episodes/archive1? Thanks. DragonZero ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 04:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Rambo, can you take a look here when you get the chance? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, just added the primary sources for the episodes. Thanks. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 06:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, after confirming the English transliteration of the names I have sourced them with the DVDs and I think I have addressed your concerns. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 07:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Abu Graib images

 * I think you are mistaken. This has been discussed month ago, it is helpful and there isn't any policy or community consensus not to do so. IQinn (talk) 22:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Shadows (EP)
The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Shadows to the Fore
The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Spotlight on The Shadows
The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Boys (The Shadows EP)
The DYK project (nominate) 06:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: FTRC
You can just put up the FTRC when that gets delisted. Thanks for the heads up. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for List of singles which have sold more than one million copies in the UK
The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Lead Section
Thanks Rambo. Also, in a discography of an artist, the song did not chart in the Hot 100 (US) but Bubbling Under Hot 100 (US). should that be included in the lead? Similarly, if singles from an album did not chart at all, what are we supposed to do? I know it sounds like I don't know a thing, but I wish to create very neat and precise articles, so that readers get the whole image of the artist. Thank You! No vice 7 Talk  07:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It depends. You must put in context of the artist. Obviously a single that just made positions 100–125 would be completely insignificant to a successful artist e.g. Beyonce (of course it might be notable as a flop) but might be important for an artist crossing over from another genre or from some obscure country with little American exposure. For your second point I think you would need a reference to show they were released (not just some track from the album) and then have &mdash;s for where it didn't chart. My best advice is to take a look at some of the discographies at WP:FL (if possible choose a recent one, as they should reflect current standards better) and see what they do. Good luck, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  18:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Best selling UK FLC
"I hope I'm right in sensing you are not actually opposing on notability but playing devil's advocate in that perhaps the notability can be made clearer in the prose – please tell me if I'm wrong". This is pretty much it. I like asking the hard questions about things that are taken for granted. For the benefits of the FLC, it's best to keep all discussion on the FLC page, so that other editors may view it. I can provide feedback on your progressing efforts, but I can't personally help right now with tracking down sources, as I have an FARC to deal with at the moment that's my main priority. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria/List of 1936 Winter Olympics medal winners
Thank you for your corrections to Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria/List of 1936 Winter Olympics medal winners. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 17:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of battleships of the Ottoman Empire/archive1
I've replied to you there :)-- White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 00:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

RE: Spanish chart
OMG, thank you for the signalation. I was confused with Stranger in Moscow. Sorry for the error. They Don't Care About Us peaked #11 not #1 in 1996 and peaked the #2 in 2006, in fact when i posted the Spanish chart positions months ago in the singles discography page i written #2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson_singles_discography Sorry again for the error. It can happen. SJ (talk) 22:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

""Heroes"" (song)
Regarding your recent move, I'm just wondering what punctuation rules are regarding this, since the actual song title is curiously "Heroes" in quotation marks, and songs are to be in quotation marks, so would we have double quotation marks (""Heroes"" is a song by...) or single, similar to how double end punctuation marks aren't used (MOS:CONSECUTIVE)? Yves (talk) 06:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The policy for article titles says Do not enclose titles in quotes: Article titles which are quotes (or song titles, etc.) are not enclosed in quotation marks (e.g. To be, or not to be is the article title, while "To be, or not to be" is a redirect to that article). That seems explicit whether it be single quotes like the majority of songs or otherwise. In this case people may argue that the "Heroes" is a quote in the song title giving ""Heroes"". However the guideline says neither song titles or quotes go in quotation marks in the title. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  14:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So in the article, would it go like this?

""Heroes"" is a song by David Bowie...
 * Yves (talk) 16:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly. However I'm not sure that WP:COMMONNAME wouldn't mean we would drop the extra quotes as the artwork in the infobox doesn't give it quotes and neither does the OCC (song & album), Billboard (album) or all music (song & album). <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  16:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Category:Major League Baseball pinch hitters
On Nov. 7 you deleted Category:Major League Baseball pinch hitters based on this discussion. I think this deletion was problematic for several reasons. Two reasons for deletion were given in the nom, with one editor agreeing "per nom": There is some further discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball. I am hoping you will reconsider the decision to delete this. Rlendog (talk) 18:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) "This is in Category:Major League Baseball players by position. Being a pinch hitter is not really a "position", it's just an occurrence in the game where a batter is inserted to hit in the place of another person." - That seems to be an argument to point the category differently (e.g., to Category:Major League Baseball players), rather than to delete it.
 * 2) "It's definitely not defining, as most non-pitchers have pinch hit at some time in their careers." - In many cases this is true. However, there have been many baseball players who have been only pinch hitters, and never played a position in the field.  This category may also be appropriate for players who were particularly notable as pinch hitters.
 * My deletion was based on the second point and no-one had made the point that there (what appears to be historically) were pitch hitters without other positions. I have no objection in this being recreated if consensus seems to think that it should (let's face it a lot of CfDs, like this one, are closed with little commentary). As a non-baseballer does that consensus exist and seem valid? If so do you want me to undelete it? <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  18:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Would need to go to WP:DRV at this point. I would have agreed with the deletion had I seen the discussion. So its definitely not a clear cut restore. -DJSasso (talk) 19:06, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, go to WP:DRV with this. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. Not really sure what I meant to be doing exactly but hopefully this will suffice as a DRV nom. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  19:19, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant that Rlendog should have suggested DRV, but good on you. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

SPOTY noms
So Jessica Ennis is it then? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Assuming Swanny doesn't take a couple of fifers at the Adelaide Oval and/or WACCA I reckon Lee Westwood. However, SPOTY throws up some unusual winners (e.g. Giggsy) and I'd take an outside punt on Phil Taylor becoming the first darts SPOTY winner. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  20:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)